Re: [mkgmap-dev] WG: AW: motorvehicle=delivery seems to be ignored ?

2016-02-16 Thread Gerd Petermann 
Hi all, 

I finally came to the conclusion that Colin was right,
we can handle access=delivery like access=destination. 
The two lines in inc/access should look like this:
motorcar=destination  | motorcar=delivery { set mkgmap:throughroute=no; set
motorcar=yes } 
access=destination| access=delivery   { set mkgmap:throughroute=no; set
access=yes }

If I here no complains I'll commit that together with the forestry.patch .

BTW: Mapsource seems to ignore the corresponding flag, Basecamp ignores
it for cyclists and pedestrians. I did not try with my device.

Gerd



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[mkgmap-dev] WG: AW: motorvehicle=delivery seems to be ignored ?

2016-02-14 Thread Gerd Petermann 

Sorry, forgot to reply to the list, see below ...


Gerd


Von: Gerd Petermann
Gesendet: Sonntag, 14. Februar 2016 16:25
An: Colin Smale
Betreff: AW: AW: [mkgmap-dev] motorvehicle=delivery seems to be ignored ?


Hi Colin,


as I said, you can select "delivery" or "emergency" as a vehicle (at least in 
MapSource)


Gerd



Von: Colin Smale 
Gesendet: Sonntag, 14. Februar 2016 16:16
An: Gerd Petermann
Betreff: Re: AW: [mkgmap-dev] motorvehicle=delivery seems to be ignored ?


Hi Gerd,

Sorry, I didn't realise that I wonder in what way that affects the routing? 
How can the satnav know if you are delivering something? It can obviously know 
about your destination, but what's the actual function of the delivery (and 
emergency) flag? Possibly it is used in HGV devices, but then it will need a 
lot more info like height and weight restrictions.

Colin





On 2016-02-14 16:10, Gerd Petermann wrote:

Hi Colin,



well, the Garmin format has a flag for "delivery" (see tag mkgmap:delivery) 
which

can be set independently. You can also chose the vehicle "delivery". My 
understanding is

that tags like access=delivery should be used to manipulate this flag .

Similar case is emergency.



Gerd



Von: Colin Smale 
Gesendet: Sonntag, 14. Februar 2016 13:51
An: Development list for mkgmap
Cc: Gerd Petermann
Betreff: Re: [mkgmap-dev] motorvehicle=delivery seems to be ignored ?


>From an English-speaking standpoint I would associate delivery (in the context 
>of "no entry except for delivery" for example) with the purpose of your visit 
>(i.e. to deliver something) but not specific to a particular sort of vehicle, 
>and not in itself related to the possession of individual permission.



I would suggest mapping access=delivery to access=destination, i.e. no access 
unless you actually need to be there. I think that's about as close as you can 
get within the Garmin access model.

--colin

On 2016-02-14 13:38, Gerd Petermann wrote:

If I got that right, the rules in inc/access should be changed so that

access=delivery (or variants like motorvehicle/ hgv/ motorcar etc ) is treated 
similar to goods=yes ?

Does anybody have working rules for this tag ?



Gerd



Von: mkgmap-dev-boun...@lists.mkgmap.org.uk 
 im Auftrag von Gerd Petermann 

Gesendet: Sonntag, 14. Februar 2016 08:28
An: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk
Betreff: [mkgmap-dev] motorvehicle=delivery seems to be ignored ?


Hi all,



I found this thread on the talk list:

http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Routing-through-access-delivery-tt5867583.html



I am about to answer there and a post a link to this forum.



Gerd

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Re: [mkgmap-dev] WG: AW: motorvehicle=delivery seems to be ignored ?

2016-02-14 Thread Gerd Petermann 
I think the style could be changed to support this tag better,

but first someone should cleanup the existing data. I found

6425 ways with access=delivery , 5000+ of them are likely to be wrong,

Many have highway=residential and no other attributes reg. access.

I wonder how the residents get to there home on those roads ;-)


I'll do more checks reg. motor_vehicle=delivery and other variants.


Gerd



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<mkgmap-dev-boun...@lists.mkgmap.org.uk> im Auftrag von Gerd Petermann 
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Gesendet: Sonntag, 14. Februar 2016 16:43
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Sorry, forgot to reply to the list, see below ...


Gerd


Von: Gerd Petermann
Gesendet: Sonntag, 14. Februar 2016 16:25
An: Colin Smale
Betreff: AW: AW: [mkgmap-dev] motorvehicle=delivery seems to be ignored ?


Hi Colin,


as I said, you can select "delivery" or "emergency" as a vehicle (at least in 
MapSource)


Gerd



Von: Colin Smale <colin.sm...@xs4all.nl>
Gesendet: Sonntag, 14. Februar 2016 16:16
An: Gerd Petermann
Betreff: Re: AW: [mkgmap-dev] motorvehicle=delivery seems to be ignored ?


Hi Gerd,

Sorry, I didn't realise that I wonder in what way that affects the routing? 
How can the satnav know if you are delivering something? It can obviously know 
about your destination, but what's the actual function of the delivery (and 
emergency) flag? Possibly it is used in HGV devices, but then it will need a 
lot more info like height and weight restrictions.

Colin





On 2016-02-14 16:10, Gerd Petermann wrote:

Hi Colin,



well, the Garmin format has a flag for "delivery" (see tag mkgmap:delivery) 
which

can be set independently. You can also chose the vehicle "delivery". My 
understanding is

that tags like access=delivery should be used to manipulate this flag .

Similar case is emergency.



Gerd



Von: Colin Smale <colin.sm...@xs4all.nl>
Gesendet: Sonntag, 14. Februar 2016 13:51
An: Development list for mkgmap
Cc: Gerd Petermann
Betreff: Re: [mkgmap-dev] motorvehicle=delivery seems to be ignored ?


>From an English-speaking standpoint I would associate delivery (in the context 
>of "no entry except for delivery" for example) with the purpose of your visit 
>(i.e. to deliver something) but not specific to a particular sort of vehicle, 
>and not in itself related to the possession of individual permission.



I would suggest mapping access=delivery to access=destination, i.e. no access 
unless you actually need to be there. I think that's about as close as you can 
get within the Garmin access model.

--colin

On 2016-02-14 13:38, Gerd Petermann wrote:

If I got that right, the rules in inc/access should be changed so that

access=delivery (or variants like motorvehicle/ hgv/ motorcar etc ) is treated 
similar to goods=yes ?

Does anybody have working rules for this tag ?



Gerd



Von: mkgmap-dev-boun...@lists.mkgmap.org.uk 
<mkgmap-dev-boun...@lists.mkgmap.org.uk> im Auftrag von Gerd Petermann 
<gpetermann_muenc...@hotmail.com>
Gesendet: Sonntag, 14. Februar 2016 08:28
An: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk
Betreff: [mkgmap-dev] motorvehicle=delivery seems to be ignored ?


Hi all,



I found this thread on the talk list:

http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Routing-through-access-delivery-tt5867583.html



I am about to answer there and a post a link to this forum.



Gerd

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