Re: [mkgmap-dev] incorporating available data sets into osm

[Dave Swarthout]

I would also hasten to add that not all datasets contain good data. Even
data that is good spatially will have tags attached that are sometimes
helpful but often wrong. Case in point, much of the Adirondack Forest
Preserve data obtained from the NYS Dept. of Environmental Conservation,
even the areas designated as wilderness, is tagged as landuse=forest, which
is completely wrong. Careful checking with other interested parties, OSM
gurus, and local mappers is essential before attempting such an import.

North Carolina has a lot of state supplied watershed data too. But it's out
of date and has not kept up with the proliferation of housing developments,
malls,etc. It's quite common to see a stream going right through a large
parking lot or other new development.

Cheers,
Dave

On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Greg Troxel  wrote:

>
> 987654...@use.startmail.com writes:
>
> > I am new to osm and am not sure if this is the appropriate forum in
> > which to ask this question so if it is not, I would appreciate any
> > direction with respect to the best place to post it.
>
> Gerd is quite right about the import process and list.  I would advise
> joining the list and lurking for a month or two before posting, so that
> you can calibrate yourself on the reactions.
>
> > I am working in the Northeastern US.  Many streams are missing from the
> > map.  I found a site
>
> Note that one thing you can do is to merge other data and OSM and then
> run mkgmap on it.  I am 99% sure that if you do not distribute the
> merged data, you will be ok with respect to OSM's ODbL.
>
> Doing this has been on my todo list for a while, for both hydro and
> addressing.
>
> > " Data Distribution Agreement
> >
> > I. Description of Data to be Provided.
> >
> > The data provided herein are distributed subject to the
> > following conditions and restrictions:
> >
> > SUBJECT DATA LAYERS
> >
> > For all data contained herein, NJDEP makes no
> > representations of any kind, including, but not limited to, the
> > warranties of merchantability or fitness for a particular use,
> > nor are any such warranties to be implied with respect to the
> > digital data layers furnished hereunder.  NJDEP assumes no
> > responsibility to maintain them in any manner or form.
> >
> > II.Terms of Agreement
> >
> > 1. Digital data received from the NJDEP are to be used
> > solely for internal purposes in the conduct of daily affairs.
>
> This is inconsistent with the Contributor Terms.   So this data cannot
> be added to OSM.
>
> >  *   3. Digital data received from the NJDEP may not be
> > reproduced or redistributed for use by anyone without first
> > obtaining written permission from the NJDEP.  This clause is not
> > intended to restrict distribution of printed mapped information
> > produced from the digital data.*
>
> Again this is inconsistent.
>
> > 4. Any maps, publications, reports, or other documents
> > produced as a result of this project that utilize NJDEP digital
> > data will credit the NJDEP's Geographic Information System (GIS)
> > as the source of the data with the following credit/disclaimer:
> >
> > "This (map/publication/report) was developed using New
> > Jersey Department of Environmental Protection Geographic
> > Information System digital data, but this secondary product has
> > not been verified by NJDEP and is not state-authorized."
>
> This doesn't fit; OSM can attribute on wiki pages or changeset comments,
> but cannot possibly demand (and does not, more importantly) that any map
> have thousands of such disclaimers.
>
> > 5.Users shall require any independent contractor, hired
> > to undertake work that will utilize digital data obtained from
> > the NJDEP, to agree not to use, reproduce, or redistribute NJDEP
> > GIS data for any purpose other than the specified contractual
> > work.  All copies of NJDEP GIS data utilized by an independent
> > contractor will be required to be returned to the original user
> > at the close of such contractual work.
>
> wow
>
> > Users hereby agree to abide by the use and reproduction
> > conditions specified above and agree to hold any independent
> > contractor to the same terms.  By using data provided herein,
> > the user acknowledges that terms and conditions have been read
> > and that the user is bound by these criteria."
>
> I would suggest talking to the NJDEP  and see if you can find a
> sympathetic person, and if they would be willing to offer a license
> compatible with the Contributor Terms.   You can point them at MassGIS,
> which has terms that are basically Public Domain with attribution
> requested.   But their 

Re: [mkgmap-dev] incorporating available data sets into osm

[Greg Troxel]

987654...@use.startmail.com writes:

> I am new to osm and am not sure if this is the appropriate forum in
> which to ask this question so if it is not, I would appreciate any
> direction with respect to the best place to post it.

Gerd is quite right about the import process and list.  I would advise
joining the list and lurking for a month or two before posting, so that
you can calibrate yourself on the reactions.

> I am working in the Northeastern US.  Many streams are missing from the
> map.  I found a site

Note that one thing you can do is to merge other data and OSM and then
run mkgmap on it.  I am 99% sure that if you do not distribute the
merged data, you will be ok with respect to OSM's ODbL.

Doing this has been on my todo list for a while, for both hydro and
addressing.

> " Data Distribution Agreement
>
> I. Description of Data to be Provided.
>
> The data provided herein are distributed subject to the
> following conditions and restrictions:
>
> SUBJECT DATA LAYERS
>
> For all data contained herein, NJDEP makes no
> representations of any kind, including, but not limited to, the
> warranties of merchantability or fitness for a particular use,
> nor are any such warranties to be implied with respect to the
> digital data layers furnished hereunder.  NJDEP assumes no
> responsibility to maintain them in any manner or form.
>
> II.Terms of Agreement
>
> 1. Digital data received from the NJDEP are to be used
> solely for internal purposes in the conduct of daily affairs.

This is inconsistent with the Contributor Terms.   So this data cannot
be added to OSM.

>  *   3. Digital data received from the NJDEP may not be
> reproduced or redistributed for use by anyone without first
> obtaining written permission from the NJDEP.  This clause is not
> intended to restrict distribution of printed mapped information
> produced from the digital data.*

Again this is inconsistent.

> 4. Any maps, publications, reports, or other documents
> produced as a result of this project that utilize NJDEP digital
> data will credit the NJDEP's Geographic Information System (GIS)
> as the source of the data with the following credit/disclaimer:
>
> "This (map/publication/report) was developed using New
> Jersey Department of Environmental Protection Geographic
> Information System digital data, but this secondary product has
> not been verified by NJDEP and is not state-authorized."

This doesn't fit; OSM can attribute on wiki pages or changeset comments,
but cannot possibly demand (and does not, more importantly) that any map
have thousands of such disclaimers.

> 5.Users shall require any independent contractor, hired
> to undertake work that will utilize digital data obtained from
> the NJDEP, to agree not to use, reproduce, or redistribute NJDEP
> GIS data for any purpose other than the specified contractual
> work.  All copies of NJDEP GIS data utilized by an independent
> contractor will be required to be returned to the original user
> at the close of such contractual work.

wow

> Users hereby agree to abide by the use and reproduction
> conditions specified above and agree to hold any independent
> contractor to the same terms.  By using data provided herein,
> the user acknowledges that terms and conditions have been read
> and that the user is bound by these criteria."

I would suggest talking to the NJDEP  and see if you can find a
sympathetic person, and if they would be willing to offer a license
compatible with the Contributor Terms.   You can point them at MassGIS,
which has terms that are basically Public Domain with attribution
requested.   But their terms are very far away from that, so I don't
expect rapid progress.

You might look at USGS data, and the National Hydrography Dataset,
which, being a work of the US government, is actually public domain.

  http://nhd.usgs.gov/


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Re: [mkgmap-dev] incorporating available data sets into osm

[987654321]

Thanks Gerd.



On 7/7/2016 3:18 PM, Gerd Petermann wrote:
>
> Hi Bill,
>
>
> please check first the wiki regarding imports:
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import
>
>
> Next try to contact the OSM community, here is a list of mailing lists:
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mailing_lists
>
> good luck,
>
> Gerd
>
> 
> *Von:* mkgmap-dev <mkgmap-dev-boun...@lists.mkgmap.org.uk> im Auftrag
> von 987654...@use.startmail.com <987654...@use.startmail.com>
> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 7. Juli 2016 20:08:46
> *An:* Development list for mkgmap
> *Betreff:* [mkgmap-dev] incorporating available data sets into osm
>  
>
> Hi
>
> I am new to osm and am not sure if this is the appropriate forum in
> which to ask this question so if it is not, I would appreciate any
> direction with respect to the best place to post it.
>
> I am working in the Northeastern US.  Many streams are missing from
> the map.  I found a site
>
> http://www.nj.gov/dep/gis/nhd2002.html
>
> that contains a shapefile of streams in NJ.  I want to determine if
> there is a method for bulk upload of such data AND if it would be
> permitted. 
>
> I have attached a txt file that accompanies the shp file that says
>
> " Data Distribution Agreement
>
> I. Description of Data to be Provided.
>
> The data provided herein are distributed subject to the
> following conditions and restrictions:
>
> SUBJECT DATA LAYERS
>
> For all data contained herein, NJDEP makes no
> representations of any kind, including, but not limited to,
> the warranties of merchantability or fitness for a particular
> use, nor are any such warranties to be implied with respect to
> the digital data layers furnished hereunder.  NJDEP assumes no
> responsibility to maintain them in any manner or form.
>
> II.Terms of Agreement
>
> 1. Digital data received from the NJDEP are to be used
> solely for internal purposes in the conduct of daily affairs.
>
> 2. The data are provided, as is, without warranty of any
> kind and the user is responsible for understanding the
> accuracy limitations of all digital data layers provided
> herein, as documented in the accompanying cross-reference
> files (see SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION).  Any reproduction or
> manipulation of the above data must ensure that the coordinate
> reference system remains intact.
>
>  *   3. Digital data received from the NJDEP may not be
> reproduced or redistributed for use by anyone without first
> obtaining written permission from the NJDEP.  This clause is
> not intended to restrict distribution of printed mapped
> information produced from the digital data.*
>
> 4. Any maps, publications, reports, or other documents
> produced as a result of this project that utilize NJDEP
> digital data will credit the NJDEP's Geographic Information
> System (GIS) as the source of the data with the following
> credit/disclaimer:
>
> "This (map/publication/report) was developed using New
> Jersey Department of Environmental Protection Geographic
> Information System digital data, but this secondary product
> has not been verified by NJDEP and is not state-authorized."
>
> 5.Users shall require any independent contractor,
> hired to undertake work that will utilize digital data
> obtained from the NJDEP, to agree not to use, reproduce, or
> redistribute NJDEP GIS data for any purpose other than the
> specified contractual work.  All copies of NJDEP GIS data
> utilized by an independent contractor will be required to be
> returned to the original user at the close of such contractual
> work.
>
> Users hereby agree to abide by the use and reproduction
> conditions specified above and agree to hold any independent
> contractor to the same terms.  By using data provided herein,
> the user acknowledges that terms and conditions have been read
> and that the user is bound by these criteria."
>
>
> Any thoughts or suggestions about methods and rules concerning
> incorporating  such data sets in osm would be most welcome.
>
> Thanks
>
> Bill
>
>
>
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Re: [mkgmap-dev] incorporating available data sets into osm

[Gerd Petermann]

Hi Bill,


please check first the wiki regarding imports:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import


Next try to contact the OSM community, here is a list of mailing lists:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mailing_lists


good luck,

Gerd


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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Juli 2016 20:08:46
An: Development list for mkgmap
Betreff: [mkgmap-dev] incorporating available data sets into osm


Hi

I am new to osm and am not sure if this is the appropriate forum in which to 
ask this question so if it is not, I would appreciate any direction with 
respect to the best place to post it.

I am working in the Northeastern US.  Many streams are missing from the map.  I 
found a site

http://www.nj.gov/dep/gis/nhd2002.html

that contains a shapefile of streams in NJ.  I want to determine if there is a 
method for bulk upload of such data AND if it would be permitted.

I have attached a txt file that accompanies the shp file that says

" Data Distribution Agreement

I. Description of Data to be Provided.

The data provided herein are distributed subject to the following 
conditions and restrictions:

SUBJECT DATA LAYERS

For all data contained herein, NJDEP makes no representations of any kind, 
including, but not limited to, the warranties of merchantability or fitness for 
a particular use, nor are any such warranties to be implied with respect to the 
digital data layers furnished hereunder.  NJDEP assumes no responsibility to 
maintain them in any manner or form.

II.Terms of Agreement

1. Digital data received from the NJDEP are to be used solely for internal 
purposes in the conduct of daily affairs.

2. The data are provided, as is, without warranty of any kind and the user 
is responsible for understanding the accuracy limitations of all digital data 
layers provided herein, as documented in the accompanying cross-reference files 
(see SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION).  Any reproduction or manipulation of the above 
data must ensure that the coordinate reference system remains intact.

3. Digital data received from the NJDEP may not be reproduced or 
redistributed for use by anyone without first obtaining written permission from 
the NJDEP.  This clause is not intended to restrict distribution of printed 
mapped information produced from the digital data.

4. Any maps, publications, reports, or other documents produced as a result 
of this project that utilize NJDEP digital data will credit the NJDEP's 
Geographic Information System (GIS) as the source of the data with the 
following credit/disclaimer:

"This (map/publication/report) was developed using New Jersey Department of 
Environmental Protection Geographic Information System digital data, but this 
secondary product has not been verified by NJDEP and is not state-authorized."

5.Users shall require any independent contractor, hired to undertake 
work that will utilize digital data obtained from the NJDEP, to agree not to 
use, reproduce, or redistribute NJDEP GIS data for any purpose other than the 
specified contractual work.  All copies of NJDEP GIS data utilized by an 
independent contractor will be required to be returned to the original user at 
the close of such contractual work.

Users hereby agree to abide by the use and reproduction conditions 
specified above and agree to hold any independent contractor to the same terms. 
 By using data provided herein, the user acknowledges that terms and conditions 
have been read and that the user is bound by these criteria."


Any thoughts or suggestions about methods and rules concerning incorporating  
such data sets in osm would be most welcome.

Thanks

Bill
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[987654321]

Hi

I am new to osm and am not sure if this is the appropriate forum in
which to ask this question so if it is not, I would appreciate any
direction with respect to the best place to post it.

I am working in the Northeastern US.  Many streams are missing from the
map.  I found a site

http://www.nj.gov/dep/gis/nhd2002.html

that contains a shapefile of streams in NJ.  I want to determine if
there is a method for bulk upload of such data AND if it would be
permitted. 

I have attached a txt file that accompanies the shp file that says

" Data Distribution Agreement

I. Description of Data to be Provided.

The data provided herein are distributed subject to the
following conditions and restrictions:

SUBJECT DATA LAYERS

For all data contained herein, NJDEP makes no
representations of any kind, including, but not limited to, the
warranties of merchantability or fitness for a particular use,
nor are any such warranties to be implied with respect to the
digital data layers furnished hereunder.  NJDEP assumes no
responsibility to maintain them in any manner or form.

II.Terms of Agreement

1. Digital data received from the NJDEP are to be used
solely for internal purposes in the conduct of daily affairs.

2. The data are provided, as is, without warranty of any
kind and the user is responsible for understanding the accuracy
limitations of all digital data layers provided herein, as
documented in the accompanying cross-reference files (see
SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION).  Any reproduction or manipulation of
the above data must ensure that the coordinate reference system
remains intact.

 *   3. Digital data received from the NJDEP may not be
reproduced or redistributed for use by anyone without first
obtaining written permission from the NJDEP.  This clause is not
intended to restrict distribution of printed mapped information
produced from the digital data.*

4. Any maps, publications, reports, or other documents
produced as a result of this project that utilize NJDEP digital
data will credit the NJDEP's Geographic Information System (GIS)
as the source of the data with the following credit/disclaimer:

"This (map/publication/report) was developed using New
Jersey Department of Environmental Protection Geographic
Information System digital data, but this secondary product has
not been verified by NJDEP and is not state-authorized."

5.Users shall require any independent contractor, hired
to undertake work that will utilize digital data obtained from
the NJDEP, to agree not to use, reproduce, or redistribute NJDEP
GIS data for any purpose other than the specified contractual
work.  All copies of NJDEP GIS data utilized by an independent
contractor will be required to be returned to the original user
at the close of such contractual work.

Users hereby agree to abide by the use and reproduction
conditions specified above and agree to hold any independent
contractor to the same terms.  By using data provided herein,
the user acknowledges that terms and conditions have been read
and that the user is bound by these criteria."


Any thoughts or suggestions about methods and rules concerning
incorporating  such data sets in osm would be most welcome.

Thanks

Bill

Identification_Information:
  Citation:
Citation_Information:
  Originator: New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection (NJDEP), 
Office of Information Resources Management (OIRM), Bureau of Geographic 
Information Systems (BGIS)
  Publication_Date: 20101101
  Title: National Hydrography Dataset (NHD) Streams 2002
  Geospatial_Data_Presentation_Form: vector digital data
  Publication_Information:
Publication_Place: Trenton, NJ
Publisher: NJ Department of Environmental Protection (NJDEP)
  Online_Linkage: 
http://www.state.nj.us/dep/gis/digidownload/zips/statewide/nhdstreams2002shp.zip
  Description:
Abstract:
  NOTE:

  This metadata file contains information for Flowlines delineated for NJ 
from 2002 color infrared (CIR) imagery with attributes extracted from the 
National Hydrography Dataset (NHD) .

  Digitizing of this data was initially done by Aerial Information Systems, 
Inc., Redlands, CA, under direction of the New Jersey Department of 
Environmental Protection (NJDEP), Bureau of Geographic Information System 
(BGIS).

  Conflation of USGS 1:24,000 High resolution NHD attributes was done by 
Data Enhancement Services, LLC  (DES) partnered with Civil Solutions.  This  
statewide conflation of NHD High resolution information was completed in 2010.
  All QA/QC was done by