Re: [mkgmap-dev] [locator] What's next?

2011-06-09 Thread WanMil
Hi Johan,

> Dear Wanmil
>
> 1. I would like to see it merged, you've done a great job on it
Thanks! It's fun.

> 2. bug 1: please add 'België - Belgique - Belgien' to LocatorConfig.xml
I'll do that. I have started to check names worldwide but I can do that 
for europe next.

> 3. bug 2: it's impossible to get the Dutch city of Middelburg in the
> index. I did a test changing the boundary name to Middleburg which
> worked great. Somehow Middelburg is not working (up untill version 1961)

Hmmm, doesn't sound like that's a special problem of the locator branch. 
I assume that this is more a problem of sort order in the index creation.
Can you give some more details?
* Send your areas.list from your splitter
* Which splitter parameters do you use?
* Which OSM dump do you use (geofabric europe?)
* Which mkgmap parameters do you use?

WanMil

>
> Johan
>
> On Mon, 06 Jun 2011 19:33:45 +0200, WanMil wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> it's been a long time since the locator branch was merged and I want
>> to
>> start thinking about what has to be done to merge it back to trunk.
>>
>> So please post your bugs or features that need to be fixed before
>> merging it back to trunk.
>> By the way: do you think the branch should be merged or should we
>> abandon the branch because it has too many flaws?
>>
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Re: [mkgmap-dev] [locator] What's next?

2011-06-09 Thread Steve Ratcliffe
On 06/06/11 19:44, Martin wrote:
> I've used a bounding-box-cut, created with osmosis.
> Now I've downloaded splitter from trunk, patched with the patch provided by 
> Francisco (19/5/2011, 21:37).
> Now I can splitt pbf-files to pbf-tiles, but also get:
>
> "Error at line 1, col 1
> Bad file format: ./tiles_sn/63240345.osm.pbf

Whenever you get the error "at line 1, col 1" it is because mkgmap is
trying to read the pbf as xml and not as pbf.  This is probably
because you don't have the required pbf jars in the right place. You
can use the same ones as splitter, but you need them in the *same*
directory as mkgmap.jar.

I now need to do the work so that building mkgmap installs the correct
jars out-of-the-box like in splitter.

..Steve
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Re: [mkgmap-dev] [locator] What's next?

2011-06-08 Thread navmaps
Dear Wanmil

1. I would like to see it merged, you've done a great job on it
2. bug 1: please add 'België - Belgique - Belgien' to LocatorConfig.xml
3. bug 2: it's impossible to get the Dutch city of Middelburg in the 
index. I did a test changing the boundary name to Middleburg which 
worked great. Somehow Middelburg is not working (up untill version 1961)

Johan

On Mon, 06 Jun 2011 19:33:45 +0200, WanMil wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> it's been a long time since the locator branch was merged and I want 
> to
> start thinking about what has to be done to merge it back to trunk.
>
> So please post your bugs or features that need to be fixed before
> merging it back to trunk.
> By the way: do you think the branch should be merged or should we
> abandon the branch because it has too many flaws?
>
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Re: [mkgmap-dev] [locator] What's next?

2011-06-06 Thread charlie
WanMil (wmgc...@web.de) wrote:

>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> it's been a long time since the locator branch was merged and I want to
>>> start thinking about what has to be done to merge it back to trunk.
>>>
>>> So please post your bugs or features that need to be fixed before
>>> merging it back to trunk.
>>> By the way: do you think the branch should be merged or should we
>>> abandon the branch because it has too many flaws?
>>>
>>> WanMil
>>> ___
>> Bear with me, because I haven't tried the locator branch for the
>> reasons I'm about to explain, so my comments may be off the mark...
>>
>>   From my perspective, the locator branch as I understand it will not
>> be much use because the area I live in (in the Middle East) has no
>> useful boundary relations that the locator branch could use.  It's not
>> necessarily that people haven't got around to adding this information
>> to the OSM database, but often that this information is not publicly
>> available at all.  In the UAE, for instance, there is no formal,
>> systematic address system *whatsoever* (it is completely normal here
>> to give your home location relative to local landmarks such as parks,
>> mosques and malls, rather than giving an address.  Makes getting home
>> deliveries a nightmare, but that's another story) so we couldn't add
>> data to the database even if we wanted to.
>
> Ok, I really wasn't aware of such things...
>
>>
>> Secondly, the need to pre-process OSM data for boundaries using
>> osmosis strikes me as unwieldy and difficult to maintain. I would much
>> prefer if everything could be self-contained in one executable.
>
> You've never done that? In case the branch is merged I hope we will be
> able to provide a download for the precompiled boundaries. So you don't
> have to do it yourself.
> By the way: You are using splitter to create tiles? I think that's a
> quite similar step. The osmosis call is not nice but maybe we get an
> easier way to filter the boundaries.

Yes, I agree splitter is an extra step, but on my computer splitter  
takes 18s to split the whole of the GCC countries (into precisely one  
tile, natch), whereas from what I've read on the mailing list, osmosis  
takes much longer to produce the bounds.  I understand that if the  
bounds files are provided for download, that avoids the processing  
time but unless the bounds are mature (e.g. as they are in Europe),  
you will have to constantly regenerate it.


>
>>
>> Thus, in my opinion any merge back into trunk should still preserve
>> the branch algorithms for retrieving address information.  In
>> particular, as Felix said a few weeks ago, I would encourage that
>> address info for POIs is gathered from the addr: tags in those OSM
>> objects (which will encourage people to tag POIs with address info)
>
> Using the locator branch you can use the style file to decide yourself
> which tags are used to assign the address information. So you can
> configure to use the addr:* tags.

OK, that's great.

>> and the locator algorithms are only:
>> a) offered as an alternative or supplementary option to
>> --location-autofill to get address information for POIs; and
>
> In general: we need an algorithm that helps in regions without boundary
> information. And maybe some parts of the current location-autofill can
> be used for this.
Agreed

>
>> b) offered as an option to get address information for streets that
>> are typically never tagged with addr: info.
>
> You can already do this with the style file. But an additional parameter
> would have some advantages for processing time. So that sounds useful.
>
>>
>> Incidentally, one very quick improvement to the branch handling of
>> addr: tags for POIs would be to fix the bug I pointed out a few weeks
>> ago
>
> Can you give me a link to your post? I don't remember...

http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/pipermail/mkgmap-dev/2011q2/011267.html

>
>> and the addition of processing of the addr:full tag if that is
>> present as an alternative to individual addr:street, addr:housenumber
>> etc.
>
> I wonder how to achieve that. The garmin format has some address fields
> like street, zip, city, region, country (and housenumber - but we don't
> know how to code it?!). All information must be put into these fields.
> Do you have an idea how to convert addr:full into this schema?

I would suggest that you either parse addr:full (harder, more error  
prone) and split it down to fields, or just shove it all into  
addr:housename (if there is no character limit).



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Re: [mkgmap-dev] [locator] What's next?

2011-06-06 Thread charlie
Johann Gail (johann.g...@gmx.de) wrote:

>
>> available at all.  In the UAE, for instance, there is no formal,
>> systematic address system *whatsoever* (it is completely normal here
>> to give your home location relative to local landmarks such as parks,
>> mosques and malls, rather than giving an address.  Makes getting home
>> deliveries a nightmare, but that's another story) so we couldn't add
>> data to the database even if we wanted to.
>>
> Thanks for delivering some background information.
>
> Just out of curiosity:
> How are the adresses mapped in commercial databases and commercial
> navigation systems? Are the ususal fields like region, city, street not
> used in UAE maps? How do you enter an address relative to landmarks into
> a gpsr?
>
>
I have absolutely no idea.  But there is no domestic postal service  
(whether this is a cause, or a consequence, of the lack of addresses I  
don't know).  If you want to receive mail, you receive it to a central  
PO Box and go to pick it up.  When we bought a bed (in person at the  
shop) we had to draw a map of our location for the delivery man (using  
major streets and landmarks), because the house we live in has no  
formal address.

In Abu Dhabi (and I suspect also in the other Emirates), a major  
problem is that most residential streets are just numbered, rather  
than named, so you have hundreds of 1st Streets, hundreds of 3rd  
Streets etc (compare  
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=24.47457&lon=54.37276&zoom=16&layers=M with  
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=24.45496&lon=54.37316&zoom=17&layers=M -  
different location, but same street names). There is no postal code to  
help differentiate them.

"Maps" over here are still a novel concept.  If a business gives a  
map, it will quite often be handdrawn, and they sometimes just give  
you the GPS coordinates directly, see for example the German Vet  
clinic: http://www.germanvet.ae/contact.html.  IKEA recently  
distributed their new catalogue to all domestic residences and it  
actually made national news as the sheer logistics of trying to do  
this when you don't actually know what all the domestic residences are  
was considered newsworthy!

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Re: [mkgmap-dev] [locator] What's next?

2011-06-06 Thread Martin
I tried it with the normal branch 
(http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/snapshots/mkgmap-r1955.tar.gz) and this works for me.
Using the trunk (r1961) same error. I hope this information helps you.

Cheers
Martin


Am 06.06.2011 um 21:00 schrieb WanMil:

> I assume that there is a problem with the splitter pfb creation because 
> the source code of this part should be the same in the locator branch 
> and in the trunk.
> 
> Can you check that by testing your pbf files with the trunk?
> 
>> I've used a bounding-box-cut, created with osmosis.
>> Now I've downloaded splitter from trunk, patched with the patch provided by 
>> Francisco (19/5/2011, 21:37).
>> Now I can splitt pbf-files to pbf-tiles, but also get:
>> 
>> "Error at line 1, col 1
>> Bad file format: ./tiles_sn/63240345.osm.pbf
>> Error parsing file
>> Error at line 1, col 1
>> Bad file format: ./tiles_sn/63240346.osm.pbf
>> Error parsing file
>> Error at line 1, col 1
>> Bad file format: ./tiles_sn/63240347.osm.pbf
>> Error parsing file
>> Error at line 1, col 1
>> Bad file format: ./tiles_sn/63240348.osm.pbf
>> Error parsing file
>> Error at line 1, col 1
>> Bad file format: ./tiles_sn/63240349.osm.pbf
>> Error parsing file
>> Error at line 1, col 1
>> Bad file format: ./tiles_sn/63240350.osm.pbf
>> Error parsing file
>> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NullPointerException
>>  at 
>> uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.combiners.FileInfo.getFileInfo(FileInfo.java:139)
>>  at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.main.Main.endOptions(Main.java:428)
>>  at 
>> uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.CommandArgsReader.readArgs(CommandArgsReader.java:126)
>>  at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.main.Main.main(Main.java:132)
>> "
>> Settings:
>> Splitter:
>> java -Xmx1500M -jar splitter/dist/splitter.jar --mapid=63240345 
>> --max-nodes=100 --output-dir=tiles_sn --pbf ./sachsen.osm.pbf
>> Mkgmap:
>> java -Xmx1500M -jar  mkgmap-locator-r1959.jar --latin1 
>> --boundsdirectory=bounds --series-name=Germany --family-name=Sachsen 
>> --remove-short-arcs --index --net --route --tdbfile --nsis --merge-lines 
>> --location-autofill=0 --country-name=Deutschland --country-abbr=DEU 
>> --area-name=DEU --family-id=4 --product-id=45 
>> --style-file=./master/basemap_style/ ./tiles_sn/*.osm.pbf 
>> ./master/basemap.TYP
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Martin
>> 
>> 
>> Am 06.06.2011 um 20:34 schrieb WanMil:
>> 
>>> How did you create your test.osm.pbf file?
>>> 
 WanMil,
 
 I know we are talking about mkgmap, but with mkgmap I also get a bad file 
 format error with a pbf-file...
 
 Martin
 
 
 Am 06.06.2011 um 20:28 schrieb WanMil:
 
> Martin,
> 
> I am talking about mkgmap, not splitter.
> Francisco Moraes is working on pbf support for splitter and he posted
> some patches for that. Please search the mkgmap dev list.
> 
> WanMil
> 
>> Hi WanMil,
>> 
>> which option I've to use with the splitter (splitter-r174) to get a 
>> pbf-output?
>> And the mkgmap-locator-r1959 still says:
>> "Error at line 1, col 1
>> Bad file format: ./test.osm.pbf"
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Martin
>> 
>> Am 06.06.2011 um 19:46 schrieb WanMil:
>> 
>>> Hi Martin,
>>> 
>>> pbf is supported.
>>> 
>>> WanMil
>>> 
 Hi WanMil,
 
 could you include the pbf-support?!
 I think this will be a speed improvement.
 
 Martin
 
 Am 06.06.2011 um 19:33 schrieb WanMil:
 
> Hi all,
> 
> it's been a long time since the locator branch was merged and I want 
> to
> start thinking about what has to be done to merge it back to trunk.
> 
> So please post your bugs or features that need to be fixed before
> merging it back to trunk.
> By the way: do you think the branch should be merged or should we
> abandon the branch because it has too many flaws?
> 
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Re: [mkgmap-dev] [locator] What's next?

2011-06-06 Thread WanMil

>> Hi all,
>>
>> it's been a long time since the locator branch was merged and I want to
>> start thinking about what has to be done to merge it back to trunk.
>>
>> So please post your bugs or features that need to be fixed before
>> merging it back to trunk.
>> By the way: do you think the branch should be merged or should we
>> abandon the branch because it has too many flaws?
>>
>> WanMil
>> ___
> Bear with me, because I haven't tried the locator branch for the
> reasons I'm about to explain, so my comments may be off the mark...
>
>   From my perspective, the locator branch as I understand it will not
> be much use because the area I live in (in the Middle East) has no
> useful boundary relations that the locator branch could use.  It's not
> necessarily that people haven't got around to adding this information
> to the OSM database, but often that this information is not publicly
> available at all.  In the UAE, for instance, there is no formal,
> systematic address system *whatsoever* (it is completely normal here
> to give your home location relative to local landmarks such as parks,
> mosques and malls, rather than giving an address.  Makes getting home
> deliveries a nightmare, but that's another story) so we couldn't add
> data to the database even if we wanted to.

Ok, I really wasn't aware of such things...

>
> Secondly, the need to pre-process OSM data for boundaries using
> osmosis strikes me as unwieldy and difficult to maintain. I would much
> prefer if everything could be self-contained in one executable.

You've never done that? In case the branch is merged I hope we will be 
able to provide a download for the precompiled boundaries. So you don't 
have to do it yourself.
By the way: You are using splitter to create tiles? I think that's a 
quite similar step. The osmosis call is not nice but maybe we get an 
easier way to filter the boundaries.

>
> Thus, in my opinion any merge back into trunk should still preserve
> the branch algorithms for retrieving address information.  In
> particular, as Felix said a few weeks ago, I would encourage that
> address info for POIs is gathered from the addr: tags in those OSM
> objects (which will encourage people to tag POIs with address info)

Using the locator branch you can use the style file to decide yourself 
which tags are used to assign the address information. So you can 
configure to use the addr:* tags.

> and the locator algorithms are only:
> a) offered as an alternative or supplementary option to
> --location-autofill to get address information for POIs; and

In general: we need an algorithm that helps in regions without boundary 
information. And maybe some parts of the current location-autofill can 
be used for this.

> b) offered as an option to get address information for streets that
> are typically never tagged with addr: info.

You can already do this with the style file. But an additional parameter 
would have some advantages for processing time. So that sounds useful.

>
> Incidentally, one very quick improvement to the branch handling of
> addr: tags for POIs would be to fix the bug I pointed out a few weeks
> ago

Can you give me a link to your post? I don't remember...

> and the addition of processing of the addr:full tag if that is
> present as an alternative to individual addr:street, addr:housenumber
> etc.

I wonder how to achieve that. The garmin format has some address fields 
like street, zip, city, region, country (and housenumber - but we don't 
know how to code it?!). All information must be put into these fields. 
Do you have an idea how to convert addr:full into this schema?

>
> Just my two fils worth...
>

Thanks for your feedback!
WanMil



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Re: [mkgmap-dev] [locator] What's next?

2011-06-06 Thread WanMil
2 min for germany sounds great!
Does the extract contain all ways tagged with boundary=administrative or 
does it contain only the ways that are referenced in the relations?

I also think that osmosis takes too long for this filter job. It's the 
swiss army knife so you can do everything but other tools are more 
optimized to specialized tasks.

WanMil

> Hi,
> I used osmconvert, o5mfilter and todays germany.osm.pbf from geofabrik
> (gwdg-mirror).
>
> osmconvert.exe germany.osm.pbf --out-o5m>germany.o5m
> o5mfilter.exe germany.o5m --keep-nodes=
> --keep-ways-relations="boundary=administrative =postal_code">grenzen.osm
>
> This took just 2 minutes and the result seems to be ok, but I just took
> a look into data with josm. The size of germany.o5m is about 1.4 GB.
>
>
> Am 06.06.2011 21:12, schrieb WanMil:
>> Anyhow it would be interesting if you can post the parameters one has to
>> use to filter the boundaries and postal_codes using o5mfilter (or
>> osmfilter).
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Re: [mkgmap-dev] [locator] What's next?

2011-06-06 Thread Henning Scholland
Hi,
I used osmconvert, o5mfilter and todays germany.osm.pbf from geofabrik 
(gwdg-mirror).

osmconvert.exe germany.osm.pbf --out-o5m >germany.o5m
o5mfilter.exe germany.o5m --keep-nodes= 
--keep-ways-relations="boundary=administrative =postal_code" >grenzen.osm

This took just 2 minutes and the result seems to be ok, but I just took 
a look into data with josm. The size of germany.o5m is about 1.4 GB.


Am 06.06.2011 21:12, schrieb WanMil:
> Anyhow it would be interesting if you can post the parameters one has to
> use to filter the boundaries and postal_codes using o5mfilter (or
> osmfilter).

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Re: [mkgmap-dev] [locator] What's next?

2011-06-06 Thread Johann Gail

> available at all.  In the UAE, for instance, there is no formal,
> systematic address system *whatsoever* (it is completely normal here
> to give your home location relative to local landmarks such as parks,
> mosques and malls, rather than giving an address.  Makes getting home
> deliveries a nightmare, but that's another story) so we couldn't add
> data to the database even if we wanted to.
>
Thanks for delivering some background information.

Just out of curiosity:
How are the adresses mapped in commercial databases and commercial 
navigation systems? Are the ususal fields like region, city, street not 
used in UAE maps? How do you enter an address relative to landmarks into 
a gpsr?


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Re: [mkgmap-dev] [locator] What's next?

2011-06-06 Thread charlie
WanMil (wmgc...@web.de) wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> it's been a long time since the locator branch was merged and I want to
> start thinking about what has to be done to merge it back to trunk.
>
> So please post your bugs or features that need to be fixed before
> merging it back to trunk.
> By the way: do you think the branch should be merged or should we
> abandon the branch because it has too many flaws?
>
> WanMil
> ___
Bear with me, because I haven't tried the locator branch for the  
reasons I'm about to explain, so my comments may be off the mark...

 From my perspective, the locator branch as I understand it will not  
be much use because the area I live in (in the Middle East) has no  
useful boundary relations that the locator branch could use.  It's not  
necessarily that people haven't got around to adding this information  
to the OSM database, but often that this information is not publicly  
available at all.  In the UAE, for instance, there is no formal,  
systematic address system *whatsoever* (it is completely normal here  
to give your home location relative to local landmarks such as parks,  
mosques and malls, rather than giving an address.  Makes getting home  
deliveries a nightmare, but that's another story) so we couldn't add  
data to the database even if we wanted to.

Secondly, the need to pre-process OSM data for boundaries using  
osmosis strikes me as unwieldy and difficult to maintain. I would much  
prefer if everything could be self-contained in one executable.

Thus, in my opinion any merge back into trunk should still preserve  
the branch algorithms for retrieving address information.  In  
particular, as Felix said a few weeks ago, I would encourage that  
address info for POIs is gathered from the addr: tags in those OSM  
objects (which will encourage people to tag POIs with address info)  
and the locator algorithms are only:
a) offered as an alternative or supplementary option to  
--location-autofill to get address information for POIs; and
b) offered as an option to get address information for streets that  
are typically never tagged with addr: info.

Incidentally, one very quick improvement to the branch handling of  
addr: tags for POIs would be to fix the bug I pointed out a few weeks  
ago and the addition of processing of the addr:full tag if that is  
present as an alternative to individual addr:street, addr:housenumber  
etc.

Just my two fils worth...

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Re: [mkgmap-dev] [locator] What's next?

2011-06-06 Thread WanMil
I have read about the o5m format. It's interesting but at the moment 
there are some things that need to be solved before supporting o5m.
1. the format definition is not final and not approved by other 
implementors (only the o5mfilter guy implemented it and there may be 
some inherent bugs)
2. there is no existing toolchain for o5m (no geofabric dump, no 
splitter support etc.). mkgmap is the last tool in the chain.
3. the format description contains no hint how non latin characters are 
stored. All examples use ASCII characters.
4. I don't understand why this new format is faster than pbf. So there 
should be an independent confirmation about the speed advantages.

Unless these points are fixed I don't see any requirements to support o5m.

Anyhow it would be interesting if you can post the parameters one has to 
use to filter the boundaries and postal_codes using o5mfilter (or 
osmfilter).

WanMil

> Hi,
> there are tools like o5mfilter or osmfilter. They should be faster, but
> they can't write pbf, just o5m or osm-xml. The Format o5m is much better
> for filtering data, but there isn't any tool, which converts o5m to pbf.
> So maybe the the hole process wont be faster. Also o5m is faster then
> pbf, if you would update your local file with change-sets. I know that
> this isn't the task of locator-branch, but maybe reading o5m would be
> one of the next things for bnd-generation and splitter. :-)
>
> I will ask in german forum, how to use osmfilter for our filtering and
> compare it to osmosis.
>
> Henning
>
> Am 06.06.2011 20:33, schrieb WanMil:
>> bnd-file creation processes the whole input file. It does not filter for
>> boundary=administrative. The reason for this is that postal_codes are
>> also accepted.
>> The osmosis step is required because otherwise you probably will have
>> memory problems. If you use unfiltered data for the bnd-creation mkgmap
>> must first read *all* points and *all* ways from the input file. And if
>> you don't have a machine with tons of GB this will exhaust your memory.
>> Maybe someone can do some research if there is a better tool for
>> filtering the boundary data.
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Re: [mkgmap-dev] [locator] What's next?

2011-06-06 Thread WanMil
I assume that there is a problem with the splitter pfb creation because 
the source code of this part should be the same in the locator branch 
and in the trunk.

Can you check that by testing your pbf files with the trunk?

> I've used a bounding-box-cut, created with osmosis.
> Now I've downloaded splitter from trunk, patched with the patch provided by 
> Francisco (19/5/2011, 21:37).
> Now I can splitt pbf-files to pbf-tiles, but also get:
>
> "Error at line 1, col 1
> Bad file format: ./tiles_sn/63240345.osm.pbf
> Error parsing file
> Error at line 1, col 1
> Bad file format: ./tiles_sn/63240346.osm.pbf
> Error parsing file
> Error at line 1, col 1
> Bad file format: ./tiles_sn/63240347.osm.pbf
> Error parsing file
> Error at line 1, col 1
> Bad file format: ./tiles_sn/63240348.osm.pbf
> Error parsing file
> Error at line 1, col 1
> Bad file format: ./tiles_sn/63240349.osm.pbf
> Error parsing file
> Error at line 1, col 1
> Bad file format: ./tiles_sn/63240350.osm.pbf
> Error parsing file
> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NullPointerException
>   at 
> uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.combiners.FileInfo.getFileInfo(FileInfo.java:139)
>   at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.main.Main.endOptions(Main.java:428)
>   at 
> uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.CommandArgsReader.readArgs(CommandArgsReader.java:126)
>   at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.main.Main.main(Main.java:132)
> "
> Settings:
> Splitter:
> java -Xmx1500M -jar splitter/dist/splitter.jar --mapid=63240345 
> --max-nodes=100 --output-dir=tiles_sn --pbf ./sachsen.osm.pbf
> Mkgmap:
> java -Xmx1500M -jar  mkgmap-locator-r1959.jar --latin1 
> --boundsdirectory=bounds --series-name=Germany --family-name=Sachsen 
> --remove-short-arcs --index --net --route --tdbfile --nsis --merge-lines 
> --location-autofill=0 --country-name=Deutschland --country-abbr=DEU 
> --area-name=DEU --family-id=4 --product-id=45 
> --style-file=./master/basemap_style/ ./tiles_sn/*.osm.pbf ./master/basemap.TYP
>
> Cheers
> Martin
>
>
> Am 06.06.2011 um 20:34 schrieb WanMil:
>
>> How did you create your test.osm.pbf file?
>>
>>> WanMil,
>>>
>>> I know we are talking about mkgmap, but with mkgmap I also get a bad file 
>>> format error with a pbf-file...
>>>
>>> Martin
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 06.06.2011 um 20:28 schrieb WanMil:
>>>
 Martin,

 I am talking about mkgmap, not splitter.
 Francisco Moraes is working on pbf support for splitter and he posted
 some patches for that. Please search the mkgmap dev list.

 WanMil

> Hi WanMil,
>
> which option I've to use with the splitter (splitter-r174) to get a 
> pbf-output?
> And the mkgmap-locator-r1959 still says:
> "Error at line 1, col 1
> Bad file format: ./test.osm.pbf"
>
> Cheers
> Martin
>
> Am 06.06.2011 um 19:46 schrieb WanMil:
>
>> Hi Martin,
>>
>> pbf is supported.
>>
>> WanMil
>>
>>> Hi WanMil,
>>>
>>> could you include the pbf-support?!
>>> I think this will be a speed improvement.
>>>
>>> Martin
>>>
>>> Am 06.06.2011 um 19:33 schrieb WanMil:
>>>
 Hi all,

 it's been a long time since the locator branch was merged and I want to
 start thinking about what has to be done to merge it back to trunk.

 So please post your bugs or features that need to be fixed before
 merging it back to trunk.
 By the way: do you think the branch should be merged or should we
 abandon the branch because it has too many flaws?

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Re: [mkgmap-dev] [locator] What's next?

2011-06-06 Thread Henning Scholland
Hi,
there are tools like o5mfilter or osmfilter. They should be faster, but 
they can't write pbf, just o5m or osm-xml. The Format o5m is much better 
for filtering data, but there isn't any tool, which converts o5m to pbf. 
So maybe the the hole process wont be faster. Also o5m is faster then 
pbf, if you would update your local file with change-sets. I know that 
this isn't the task of locator-branch, but maybe reading o5m would be 
one of the next things for bnd-generation and splitter. :-)

I will ask in german forum, how to use osmfilter for our filtering and 
compare it to osmosis.

Henning

Am 06.06.2011 20:33, schrieb WanMil:
> bnd-file creation processes the whole input file. It does not filter for
> boundary=administrative. The reason for this is that postal_codes are
> also accepted.
> The osmosis step is required because otherwise you probably will have
> memory problems. If you use unfiltered data for the bnd-creation mkgmap
> must first read *all* points and *all* ways from the input file. And if
> you don't have a machine with tons of GB this will exhaust your memory.
> Maybe someone can do some research if there is a better tool for
> filtering the boundary data.

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Re: [mkgmap-dev] [locator] What's next?

2011-06-06 Thread Martin
I've used a bounding-box-cut, created with osmosis.
Now I've downloaded splitter from trunk, patched with the patch provided by 
Francisco (19/5/2011, 21:37).
Now I can splitt pbf-files to pbf-tiles, but also get:

"Error at line 1, col 1
Bad file format: ./tiles_sn/63240345.osm.pbf
Error parsing file
Error at line 1, col 1
Bad file format: ./tiles_sn/63240346.osm.pbf
Error parsing file
Error at line 1, col 1
Bad file format: ./tiles_sn/63240347.osm.pbf
Error parsing file
Error at line 1, col 1
Bad file format: ./tiles_sn/63240348.osm.pbf
Error parsing file
Error at line 1, col 1
Bad file format: ./tiles_sn/63240349.osm.pbf
Error parsing file
Error at line 1, col 1
Bad file format: ./tiles_sn/63240350.osm.pbf
Error parsing file
Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NullPointerException
at 
uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.combiners.FileInfo.getFileInfo(FileInfo.java:139)
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.main.Main.endOptions(Main.java:428)
at 
uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.CommandArgsReader.readArgs(CommandArgsReader.java:126)
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.main.Main.main(Main.java:132)
"
Settings:
Splitter:
java -Xmx1500M -jar splitter/dist/splitter.jar --mapid=63240345 
--max-nodes=100 --output-dir=tiles_sn --pbf ./sachsen.osm.pbf
Mkgmap:
java -Xmx1500M -jar  mkgmap-locator-r1959.jar --latin1 --boundsdirectory=bounds 
--series-name=Germany --family-name=Sachsen --remove-short-arcs --index --net 
--route --tdbfile --nsis --merge-lines --location-autofill=0 
--country-name=Deutschland --country-abbr=DEU --area-name=DEU --family-id=4 
--product-id=45 --style-file=./master/basemap_style/ ./tiles_sn/*.osm.pbf 
./master/basemap.TYP

Cheers
Martin


Am 06.06.2011 um 20:34 schrieb WanMil:

> How did you create your test.osm.pbf file?
> 
>> WanMil,
>> 
>> I know we are talking about mkgmap, but with mkgmap I also get a bad file 
>> format error with a pbf-file...
>> 
>> Martin
>> 
>> 
>> Am 06.06.2011 um 20:28 schrieb WanMil:
>> 
>>> Martin,
>>> 
>>> I am talking about mkgmap, not splitter.
>>> Francisco Moraes is working on pbf support for splitter and he posted
>>> some patches for that. Please search the mkgmap dev list.
>>> 
>>> WanMil
>>> 
 Hi WanMil,
 
 which option I've to use with the splitter (splitter-r174) to get a 
 pbf-output?
 And the mkgmap-locator-r1959 still says:
 "Error at line 1, col 1
 Bad file format: ./test.osm.pbf"
 
 Cheers
 Martin
 
 Am 06.06.2011 um 19:46 schrieb WanMil:
 
> Hi Martin,
> 
> pbf is supported.
> 
> WanMil
> 
>> Hi WanMil,
>> 
>> could you include the pbf-support?!
>> I think this will be a speed improvement.
>> 
>> Martin
>> 
>> Am 06.06.2011 um 19:33 schrieb WanMil:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> it's been a long time since the locator branch was merged and I want to
>>> start thinking about what has to be done to merge it back to trunk.
>>> 
>>> So please post your bugs or features that need to be fixed before
>>> merging it back to trunk.
>>> By the way: do you think the branch should be merged or should we
>>> abandon the branch because it has too many flaws?
>>> 
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Re: [mkgmap-dev] [locator] What's next?

2011-06-06 Thread WanMil
How did you create your test.osm.pbf file?

> WanMil,
>
> I know we are talking about mkgmap, but with mkgmap I also get a bad file 
> format error with a pbf-file...
>
> Martin
>
>
> Am 06.06.2011 um 20:28 schrieb WanMil:
>
>> Martin,
>>
>> I am talking about mkgmap, not splitter.
>> Francisco Moraes is working on pbf support for splitter and he posted
>> some patches for that. Please search the mkgmap dev list.
>>
>> WanMil
>>
>>> Hi WanMil,
>>>
>>> which option I've to use with the splitter (splitter-r174) to get a 
>>> pbf-output?
>>> And the mkgmap-locator-r1959 still says:
>>> "Error at line 1, col 1
>>> Bad file format: ./test.osm.pbf"
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Martin
>>>
>>> Am 06.06.2011 um 19:46 schrieb WanMil:
>>>
 Hi Martin,

 pbf is supported.

 WanMil

> Hi WanMil,
>
> could you include the pbf-support?!
> I think this will be a speed improvement.
>
> Martin
>
> Am 06.06.2011 um 19:33 schrieb WanMil:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> it's been a long time since the locator branch was merged and I want to
>> start thinking about what has to be done to merge it back to trunk.
>>
>> So please post your bugs or features that need to be fixed before
>> merging it back to trunk.
>> By the way: do you think the branch should be merged or should we
>> abandon the branch because it has too many flaws?
>>
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Re: [mkgmap-dev] [locator] What's next?

2011-06-06 Thread WanMil
> Hi WanMil,

Henning,

> just a question: How does bnd-file creation work? Does it process
> everything inside the osm or pbf-file or just relations and ways
> containing boundary=administrative? If not, this would be a great
> improvement, because no osmosis is needed. osmosis isn't a very fast
> tool for filtering data.

bnd-file creation processes the whole input file. It does not filter for 
boundary=administrative. The reason for this is that postal_codes are 
also accepted.
The osmosis step is required because otherwise you probably will have 
memory problems. If you use unfiltered data for the bnd-creation mkgmap 
must first read *all* points and *all* ways from the input file. And if 
you don't have a machine with tons of GB this will exhaust your memory.
Maybe someone can do some research if there is a better tool for 
filtering the boundary data.

>
> Another thing would be the generation of a working gmapsupp.img directly
> with mkgmap.

Yes, that would be nice but it's not the aim of the locator branch. The 
locator branch should do a better city/region/country/zip matching but 
no improvement to the garmin index format.

>
> Henning
>

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Re: [mkgmap-dev] [locator] What's next?

2011-06-06 Thread Marko Mäkelä
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 08:16:03PM +0200, Henning Scholland wrote:
>Another thing would be the generation of a working gmapsupp.img 
>directly with mkgmap.

+1, that is a show-stopper for me (and presumably others who want to 
avoid getting involved with proprietary Windows or Mac software).

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Re: [mkgmap-dev] [locator] What's next?

2011-06-06 Thread Martin
WanMil,

I know we are talking about mkgmap, but with mkgmap I also get a bad file 
format error with a pbf-file...

Martin


Am 06.06.2011 um 20:28 schrieb WanMil:

> Martin,
> 
> I am talking about mkgmap, not splitter.
> Francisco Moraes is working on pbf support for splitter and he posted 
> some patches for that. Please search the mkgmap dev list.
> 
> WanMil
> 
>> Hi WanMil,
>> 
>> which option I've to use with the splitter (splitter-r174) to get a 
>> pbf-output?
>> And the mkgmap-locator-r1959 still says:
>> "Error at line 1, col 1
>> Bad file format: ./test.osm.pbf"
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Martin
>> 
>> Am 06.06.2011 um 19:46 schrieb WanMil:
>> 
>>> Hi Martin,
>>> 
>>> pbf is supported.
>>> 
>>> WanMil
>>> 
 Hi WanMil,
 
 could you include the pbf-support?!
 I think this will be a speed improvement.
 
 Martin
 
 Am 06.06.2011 um 19:33 schrieb WanMil:
 
> Hi all,
> 
> it's been a long time since the locator branch was merged and I want to
> start thinking about what has to be done to merge it back to trunk.
> 
> So please post your bugs or features that need to be fixed before
> merging it back to trunk.
> By the way: do you think the branch should be merged or should we
> abandon the branch because it has too many flaws?
> 
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Re: [mkgmap-dev] [locator] What's next?

2011-06-06 Thread WanMil
Martin,

I am talking about mkgmap, not splitter.
Francisco Moraes is working on pbf support for splitter and he posted 
some patches for that. Please search the mkgmap dev list.

WanMil

> Hi WanMil,
>
> which option I've to use with the splitter (splitter-r174) to get a 
> pbf-output?
> And the mkgmap-locator-r1959 still says:
> "Error at line 1, col 1
> Bad file format: ./test.osm.pbf"
>
> Cheers
> Martin
>
> Am 06.06.2011 um 19:46 schrieb WanMil:
>
>> Hi Martin,
>>
>> pbf is supported.
>>
>> WanMil
>>
>>> Hi WanMil,
>>>
>>> could you include the pbf-support?!
>>> I think this will be a speed improvement.
>>>
>>> Martin
>>>
>>> Am 06.06.2011 um 19:33 schrieb WanMil:
>>>
 Hi all,

 it's been a long time since the locator branch was merged and I want to
 start thinking about what has to be done to merge it back to trunk.

 So please post your bugs or features that need to be fixed before
 merging it back to trunk.
 By the way: do you think the branch should be merged or should we
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Re: [mkgmap-dev] [locator] What's next?

2011-06-06 Thread Henning Scholland
Hi WanMil,
just a question: How does bnd-file creation work? Does it process 
everything inside the osm or pbf-file or just relations and ways 
containing boundary=administrative? If not, this would be a great 
improvement, because no osmosis is needed. osmosis isn't a very fast 
tool for filtering data.

Another thing would be the generation of a working gmapsupp.img directly 
with mkgmap.

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Re: [mkgmap-dev] [locator] What's next?

2011-06-06 Thread Martin
Hi WanMil,

which option I've to use with the splitter (splitter-r174) to get a pbf-output?
And the mkgmap-locator-r1959 still says: 
"Error at line 1, col 1
Bad file format: ./test.osm.pbf"

Cheers
Martin

Am 06.06.2011 um 19:46 schrieb WanMil:

> Hi Martin,
> 
> pbf is supported.
> 
> WanMil
> 
>> Hi WanMil,
>> 
>> could you include the pbf-support?!
>> I think this will be a speed improvement.
>> 
>> Martin
>> 
>> Am 06.06.2011 um 19:33 schrieb WanMil:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> it's been a long time since the locator branch was merged and I want to
>>> start thinking about what has to be done to merge it back to trunk.
>>> 
>>> So please post your bugs or features that need to be fixed before
>>> merging it back to trunk.
>>> By the way: do you think the branch should be merged or should we
>>> abandon the branch because it has too many flaws?
>>> 
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Re: [mkgmap-dev] [locator] What's next?

2011-06-06 Thread WanMil
Hi Martin,

pbf is supported.

WanMil

> Hi WanMil,
>
> could you include the pbf-support?!
> I think this will be a speed improvement.
>
> Martin
>
> Am 06.06.2011 um 19:33 schrieb WanMil:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> it's been a long time since the locator branch was merged and I want to
>> start thinking about what has to be done to merge it back to trunk.
>>
>> So please post your bugs or features that need to be fixed before
>> merging it back to trunk.
>> By the way: do you think the branch should be merged or should we
>> abandon the branch because it has too many flaws?
>>
>> WanMil
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Re: [mkgmap-dev] [locator] What's next?

2011-06-06 Thread Martin
Hi WanMil,

could you include the pbf-support?!
I think this will be a speed improvement.

Martin

Am 06.06.2011 um 19:33 schrieb WanMil:

> Hi all,
> 
> it's been a long time since the locator branch was merged and I want to 
> start thinking about what has to be done to merge it back to trunk.
> 
> So please post your bugs or features that need to be fixed before 
> merging it back to trunk.
> By the way: do you think the branch should be merged or should we 
> abandon the branch because it has too many flaws?
> 
> WanMil
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