Re: [WikimediaMobile] [Apps] Wikipedia Lite app?
I'll be eager to see you guys write up your findings after the spikes are over. thanks for moving that forward. --tomasz On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 3:05 AM, Gautam Chandna gaut...@opera.com wrote: OEMs care about the size of their OS, as this is stored in a restricted read-only area (unless a device is rooted). Once the device is running, those limitations don't apply as an app has tons of space to update itself. Quite like the network installer concept for desktop applications, OEMs prefer if the pre-install is a small package that in itself doesn't necessarily do much other than download the real app. On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 12:48 AM, Yuri Astrakhan yastrak...@wikimedia.org wrote: Don't preload apps still get over-the-air updates, often the whole app re-download? On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 12:39 AM, Carolynne Schloeder cschloe...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi, yes app size and yes optimization :-) App size does matter OEM's are sensitive to the size of the app for preload. They were satisfied with our last version that was under 3MB; we'll find out what they will tolerate. And we will likely push appstore promotion as part of our deep dive.[1] Couple of thoughts on optimization: Yuri already worked to compress images on mobile web, only deployed on zero partners so far. Rolling out the image compression could be an easy start to reduce the page load. In a couple of weeks, we will get into Facebook/Ericsson's network simulation lab in Menlo Park, where we can experience our UX on low end devices and slow networks. Dan and Maryana, can you help me organize who should go to the lab? Thanks -- Carolynne [1] The Wikipedia Zero team is getting together with product, UX, comms and GLEE to go deep in one country, to understand the context for Wikipedia usage and how we can unlock growth in underserved market segments - beyond just making data free. More info in our QR notes. On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Dan Garry dga...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 1 February 2015 at 14:48, Toby Negrin tneg...@wikimedia.org wrote: Dan -- can you please limit the scope to sizing the android app? I think that's more relevant to reaching people in the developing world. I think that depends. In a world where we're focussing on preloads, the size of the app is pretty immaterial as the user isn't paying the cost for downloading it. In that world, the best optimisations to make are probably reducing network traffic and improving performance on slower devices, things where there's lot of room for improvement in our code base. Also, our Android app is also an order of magnitude smaller than Facebook's Android app, so that's less of an issue for us. Facebook evidently decided to TACKLE ALL THE THINGS with Facebook Lite. Also, can you see what percent of our GS traffic uses 2.3? Google has it at about 10% globally but we need to understand our target market better. You might also want to check in with your new contact at App Annie to see if they have useful GS data. Absolutely. Dan -- Dan Garry Associate Product Manager, Mobile Apps Wikimedia Foundation -- Carolynne Schloeder Director Global Mobile Partnerships Wikimedia Foundation +14154077071 skype: cschloeder ___ Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l ___ Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l -- Gautam Chandna | Director - Technical Partner Management | gaut...@opera.com | +47-4567-1789 ___ Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l ___ Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l
Re: [WikimediaMobile] Luis van Ahn/crowdsourcing
I spoke with them at Google I/O many months back and they would love to talk more. Let me reach out again. --tomasz On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 9:39 AM, Maryana Pinchuk mpinc...@wikimedia.org wrote: We've been talking about this guy for ages (and I think roughly half the mobile team uses Duolingo at this point) – wasn't someone going to try to put us in touch? :) On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Toby Negrin tneg...@wikimedia.org wrote: Some interesting links from one of the early crowdsourcing people: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_von_Ahn http://www.ted.com/talks/luis_von_ahn_massive_scale_online_collaboration?language=en His current gig: https://www.duolingo.com/ -Toby ___ Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l -- Maryana Pinchuk Product Manager, Wikimedia Foundation wikimediafoundation.org ___ Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l ___ Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l
Re: [WikimediaMobile] Increasing mobile beta audience
quote name=Tomasz Finc date=2015-02-06 time=14:04:55 -0800 CC'ing Greg to help us think how to approach percentage based releases and what would be in our way to do them. Hi there! On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Jon Katz jk...@wikimedia.org wrote: Jon, Are there any technical reasons not to explore the % rollout model for collections instead of beta? I'd love to see what you come up with for this that takes into account all of the oddities of our deployment system as it is (ie: versions of mediawiki and extensions are different depending on which wiki you visit). Jon or whoever (Sam?) can you include me and my team in your explorations here? I want to figure out something that we can do, even if for only a limited sub-set of things, to make percentage based rollouts possible. The real answer is something along the lines of what Facebook does: * No artificial distinction in code version depending on site * All servers serving the same code for all users (except during deployments, which are also percentage based, but that's handled at the LVS laye) * Staff are transparently sent to the staging build * Features can be turned on by region/percentage/etc with the toggle of a button (enabled by Gatekeeper, which is basically fancy feature flag toggling. It gives a PM or whoever a UI to turn the dials on who sees what when. See: https://www.quora.com/How-does-Facebooks-Gatekeeper-service-work?share=1 We aren't there yet :) So anything you can think of that works reliably might be useful here. Can someone start a conversation with my team/ops as needed? Feel free to bring strawmen proposals! Thanks! -- | Greg GrossmeierGPG: B2FA 27B1 F7EB D327 6B8E | | identi.ca: @gregA18D 1138 8E47 FAC8 1C7D | ___ Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l
Re: [WikimediaMobile] Luis van Ahn/crowdsourcing
Luis is also reaching out. Could you see where he's at? On Feb 6, 2015, at 13:52, Tomasz Finc tf...@wikimedia.org wrote: I spoke with them at Google I/O many months back and they would love to talk more. Let me reach out again. --tomasz On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 9:39 AM, Maryana Pinchuk mpinc...@wikimedia.org wrote: We've been talking about this guy for ages (and I think roughly half the mobile team uses Duolingo at this point) – wasn't someone going to try to put us in touch? :) On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Toby Negrin tneg...@wikimedia.org wrote: Some interesting links from one of the early crowdsourcing people: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_von_Ahn http://www.ted.com/talks/luis_von_ahn_massive_scale_online_collaboration?language=en His current gig: https://www.duolingo.com/ -Toby ___ Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l -- Maryana Pinchuk Product Manager, Wikimedia Foundation wikimediafoundation.org ___ Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l ___ Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l
