Re: [WikimediaMobile] [reading-wmf] Pageview drop

2015-10-15 Thread Oliver Keyes 
Actually I did a study of this a while back using session
reconstruction analysis, which doesn't depend on the referer field.

(Jon, if your team isn't familiar with it, I'm happy to talk it
through with you (it works and is peer-reviewed!))

While I can't comment on the specific numbers here, the broad pattern
we saw was:

1. Mobile sessions produce fewer pageviews and last less time;
2. Mobile users have more sessions, but;
3. Not enough to offset the fewer pageviews.

So, the pattern of mobile dropping pageviews is absolutely expected.
I'd suggest performing some of this sort of analysis too just so we
have a banded box rather than a single datapoint; "approach A produces
X outcome, approach B produces Y outcome, so the answer is probably
somewhere between the two" is always preferable. Happy to provide
assistance with thinking through the analysis here and providing the
tools you'd need to do it.

On 14 October 2015 at 19:29, Gergo Tisza  wrote:
> Yay, data! Thanks for putting this together, Jon.
>
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 10:14 PM, Jon Katz  wrote:
>>
>> I don't know if we can explain all of our traffic decreases to the drop in
>> session length, but it is certainly a big factor.  Basically 60% of our
>> pageviews (internal) shrink by 33% on mobile.  So all else being equal, if
>> we transfer all our traffic to mobile we lose 33% of our pageviews.  Right
>> now we're at 50%.  This assumes that there is no change in numbers of
>> sessions...on which we have no data right now.
>
>
> We would only lose 20% (33% of 60%). But that is a completely unjustified
> assumption.
> (Also, there is  another unjustified assumption that every mobile user is an
> ex-desktop user, ie. that this really is a shift in the habit of an existing
> userbase, not Wikipedia becoming less attractive to the old userbase and
> attractive to a new one. While it is not strictly relevant to this analysis
> whether the user disappearing on desktop and the one appearing on mobile is
> the same one, it is very relevant to how we interpret it.)
>
> We don't have to guess the session numbers, though - your analysis assumes
> that non-internal pageviews start a session and internal ones continue it,
> in which case the number of sessions is simply the number of non-internal
> pageviews. That is, we get
> desktop: 510M pageviews / 335M sessions -> 275M pageviews / 175M sessions
> mobile:  150M pageviews / 100M sessions -> 230M pageviews / 175M sessions
> total:   660M pageviews / 435M sessions -> 505M pageviews / 350M sessions
> between the two ends of the graph (numbers are vague; I just looked at the
> image and guessed averages). That's a 20% decrease in sessions vs. the 25%
> decrease in page views, so it shouldn't cause much change in how worried we
> are about the drop.
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Re: [WikimediaMobile] [reading-wmf] Pageview drop

2015-10-15 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo) 
TL;DR: never underestimate https://xkcd.com/214/ ? :) We must be careful 
NOT to provide users [only] what they are looking for.


Toby Negrin, 14/10/2015 07:43:

There's a strange artifact in the desktop page views where they drop by
about 75mm at the end of 2013 but don't recover. Do we understand what
happened here.


Irrecoverable effects of One Direction album? ;) 
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mobile-l/2013-December/006342.html


In that period there was a lot of work around redirects and forcing 
users to use the mobile site. One major forceful redirect was in June 
2014 (tablets) and you clearly see the impact on Jon's graphs.


SAL and 
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MobileFrontend/Deployments are 
not particularly useful for historical digging, it would be great to 
have a timeline of major mobile configuration changes (or at least of 
redirects). 
http://bugs.wmflabs.org/buglist.cgi?chfield=resolution=2013-11-01=2014-01-31=redir_type=anywordssubstr=MobileFrontend_format=advanced 
finds e.g. http://bugs.wmflabs.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57127 and 
http://bugs.wmflabs.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49653


Things worth testing (or data worth recovering from the past if 
possible) for their effect on session length:

* collapsing sections by default, providing easy "expand all" features etc.;
* collapsing/hiding other content (and maybe interface elements too);
* forceful redirects by device (e.g. did the forceful redirect for 
tablets increase session length on tablets?);

* other major alterations AKA hacks compared to desktop.

Then the specific subcases can be switched to the experience which 
proved most immersive.


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Re: [WikimediaMobile] [Wmfall] Tilman is joining the Reading Team!

2015-10-15 Thread Toby Negrin 
Welcome Tilman! We're excited to have you on the team! (and I love the
report :)

On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 6:26 PM, Stephen Niedzielski <
sniedziel...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Congrats!
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 6:47 PM, Jacob Rogers 
> wrote:
>
>> Congratulations, Tilman!
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Joe Sutherland <
>> jsutherl...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Congrats Tilman! A coup for the Reading team :)
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> On 16 October 2015 at 01:45, Anna Stillwell 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Congratulations, Tilman.

 On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 5:10 PM,  wrote:

> Welcome Tilman! Look forward to working together more.
>
> On Oct 15, 2015, at 5:07 PM, Jon Katz  wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I’m happy to announce that, as of today, Tilman Bayer has officially
> joined the Reading product team as a Senior Analyst. He will increase our
> capacity for understanding our users and the impact of our efforts through
> data analysis. Tilman is responsible for:
>
>-
>
>generating our primary metrics and communicating them
>-
>
>consulting on, analyzing and communicating the results of
>feature-specific instrumentation
>-
>
>driving best practices within the team with regard to analysis
>(aided by his background in mathematics)
>
>
> Tilman has been shadowing the team for about a quarter, and has ramped
> up his involvement dramatically over the last month.  During this period,
> Tilman has moved quickly and is already owning the analysis of a
> significant number of our ongoing projects.
>
> Tilman’s weekly reading metrics report (example
> )
> is currently being sent out to the Mobile-l mailing list (which serves as
> the Reading team’s primary public mailing list). We are still gathering
> feedback from the subscribers of that list and once we have a sustainable
> and stable format, we hope to share more widely.
>
> Tilman has been working with us since July 2011, and has been a
> Wikipedian since 2003. He was an analyst on the Communications team until
> Erik Moeller asked him to join Product & Strategy at the beginning of this
> year. Tilman will be moving out of his current role in Terry’s department
> where he is right now wrapping up the current round of quarterly reviews
> and preparation of the organization-wide quarterly report for Q1.
>
> Best,
>
> Jon
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[WikimediaMobile] Tilman is joining the Reading Team!

2015-10-15 Thread Jon Katz 
Hi Everyone,

I’m happy to announce that, as of today, Tilman Bayer has officially joined
the Reading product team as a Senior Analyst. He will increase our capacity
for understanding our users and the impact of our efforts through data
analysis. Tilman is responsible for:

   -

   generating our primary metrics and communicating them
   -

   consulting on, analyzing and communicating the results of
   feature-specific instrumentation
   -

   driving best practices within the team with regard to analysis (aided by
   his background in mathematics)


Tilman has been shadowing the team for about a quarter, and has ramped up
his involvement dramatically over the last month.  During this period,
Tilman has moved quickly and is already owning the analysis of a
significant number of our ongoing projects.

Tilman’s weekly reading metrics report (example
)
is currently being sent out to the Mobile-l mailing list (which serves as
the Reading team’s primary public mailing list). We are still gathering
feedback from the subscribers of that list and once we have a sustainable
and stable format, we hope to share more widely.

Tilman has been working with us since July 2011, and has been a Wikipedian
since 2003. He was an analyst on the Communications team until Erik Moeller
asked him to join Product & Strategy at the beginning of this year. Tilman
will be moving out of his current role in Terry’s department where he is
right now wrapping up the current round of quarterly reviews and
preparation of the organization-wide quarterly report for Q1.

Best,

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Re: [WikimediaMobile] [Wmfall] Tilman is joining the Reading Team!

2015-10-15 Thread Jacob Rogers 
Congratulations, Tilman!

On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Joe Sutherland 
wrote:

> Congrats Tilman! A coup for the Reading team :)
>
> Joe
>
> On 16 October 2015 at 01:45, Anna Stillwell 
> wrote:
>
>> Congratulations, Tilman.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 5:10 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>> Welcome Tilman! Look forward to working together more.
>>>
>>> On Oct 15, 2015, at 5:07 PM, Jon Katz  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>
>>> I’m happy to announce that, as of today, Tilman Bayer has officially
>>> joined the Reading product team as a Senior Analyst. He will increase our
>>> capacity for understanding our users and the impact of our efforts through
>>> data analysis. Tilman is responsible for:
>>>
>>>-
>>>
>>>generating our primary metrics and communicating them
>>>-
>>>
>>>consulting on, analyzing and communicating the results of
>>>feature-specific instrumentation
>>>-
>>>
>>>driving best practices within the team with regard to analysis
>>>(aided by his background in mathematics)
>>>
>>>
>>> Tilman has been shadowing the team for about a quarter, and has ramped
>>> up his involvement dramatically over the last month.  During this period,
>>> Tilman has moved quickly and is already owning the analysis of a
>>> significant number of our ongoing projects.
>>>
>>> Tilman’s weekly reading metrics report (example
>>> )
>>> is currently being sent out to the Mobile-l mailing list (which serves as
>>> the Reading team’s primary public mailing list). We are still gathering
>>> feedback from the subscribers of that list and once we have a sustainable
>>> and stable format, we hope to share more widely.
>>>
>>> Tilman has been working with us since July 2011, and has been a
>>> Wikipedian since 2003. He was an analyst on the Communications team until
>>> Erik Moeller asked him to join Product & Strategy at the beginning of this
>>> year. Tilman will be moving out of his current role in Terry’s department
>>> where he is right now wrapping up the current round of quarterly reviews
>>> and preparation of the organization-wide quarterly report for Q1.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Jon
>>>
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Re: [WikimediaMobile] [Wmfall] Tilman is joining the Reading Team!

2015-10-15 Thread Anna Stillwell 
Congratulations, Tilman.

On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 5:10 PM,  wrote:

> Welcome Tilman! Look forward to working together more.
>
> On Oct 15, 2015, at 5:07 PM, Jon Katz  wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I’m happy to announce that, as of today, Tilman Bayer has officially
> joined the Reading product team as a Senior Analyst. He will increase our
> capacity for understanding our users and the impact of our efforts through
> data analysis. Tilman is responsible for:
>
>-
>
>generating our primary metrics and communicating them
>-
>
>consulting on, analyzing and communicating the results of
>feature-specific instrumentation
>-
>
>driving best practices within the team with regard to analysis (aided
>by his background in mathematics)
>
>
> Tilman has been shadowing the team for about a quarter, and has ramped up
> his involvement dramatically over the last month.  During this period,
> Tilman has moved quickly and is already owning the analysis of a
> significant number of our ongoing projects.
>
> Tilman’s weekly reading metrics report (example
> )
> is currently being sent out to the Mobile-l mailing list (which serves as
> the Reading team’s primary public mailing list). We are still gathering
> feedback from the subscribers of that list and once we have a sustainable
> and stable format, we hope to share more widely.
>
> Tilman has been working with us since July 2011, and has been a Wikipedian
> since 2003. He was an analyst on the Communications team until Erik Moeller
> asked him to join Product & Strategy at the beginning of this year. Tilman
> will be moving out of his current role in Terry’s department where he is
> right now wrapping up the current round of quarterly reviews and
> preparation of the organization-wide quarterly report for Q1.
>
> Best,
>
> Jon
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Re: [WikimediaMobile] [Wmfall] Tilman is joining the Reading Team!

2015-10-15 Thread jminor 
Welcome Tilman! Look forward to working together more.

> On Oct 15, 2015, at 5:07 PM, Jon Katz  wrote:
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> I’m happy to announce that, as of today, Tilman Bayer has officially joined 
> the Reading product team as a Senior Analyst. He will increase our capacity 
> for understanding our users and the impact of our efforts through data 
> analysis. Tilman is responsible for:
> generating our primary metrics and communicating them
> consulting on, analyzing and communicating the results of feature-specific 
> instrumentation
> driving best practices within the team with regard to analysis (aided by his 
> background in mathematics)
> 
> Tilman has been shadowing the team for about a quarter, and has ramped up his 
> involvement dramatically over the last month.  During this period, Tilman has 
> moved quickly and is already owning the analysis of a significant number of 
> our ongoing projects.
> 
> Tilman’s weekly reading metrics report (example) is currently being sent out 
> to the Mobile-l mailing list (which serves as the Reading team’s primary 
> public mailing list). We are still gathering feedback from the subscribers of 
> that list and once we have a sustainable and stable format, we hope to share 
> more widely. 
> 
> Tilman has been working with us since July 2011, and has been a Wikipedian 
> since 2003. He was an analyst on the Communications team until Erik Moeller 
> asked him to join Product & Strategy at the beginning of this year. Tilman 
> will be moving out of his current role in Terry’s department where he is 
> right now wrapping up the current round of quarterly reviews and preparation 
> of the organization-wide quarterly report for Q1. 
> 
> Best,
> 
> Jon
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Re: [WikimediaMobile] [Wmfall] Tilman is joining the Reading Team!

2015-10-15 Thread Joe Sutherland 
Congrats Tilman! A coup for the Reading team :)

Joe

On 16 October 2015 at 01:45, Anna Stillwell 
wrote:

> Congratulations, Tilman.
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 5:10 PM,  wrote:
>
>> Welcome Tilman! Look forward to working together more.
>>
>> On Oct 15, 2015, at 5:07 PM, Jon Katz  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> I’m happy to announce that, as of today, Tilman Bayer has officially
>> joined the Reading product team as a Senior Analyst. He will increase our
>> capacity for understanding our users and the impact of our efforts through
>> data analysis. Tilman is responsible for:
>>
>>-
>>
>>generating our primary metrics and communicating them
>>-
>>
>>consulting on, analyzing and communicating the results of
>>feature-specific instrumentation
>>-
>>
>>driving best practices within the team with regard to analysis (aided
>>by his background in mathematics)
>>
>>
>> Tilman has been shadowing the team for about a quarter, and has ramped up
>> his involvement dramatically over the last month.  During this period,
>> Tilman has moved quickly and is already owning the analysis of a
>> significant number of our ongoing projects.
>>
>> Tilman’s weekly reading metrics report (example
>> )
>> is currently being sent out to the Mobile-l mailing list (which serves as
>> the Reading team’s primary public mailing list). We are still gathering
>> feedback from the subscribers of that list and once we have a sustainable
>> and stable format, we hope to share more widely.
>>
>> Tilman has been working with us since July 2011, and has been a
>> Wikipedian since 2003. He was an analyst on the Communications team until
>> Erik Moeller asked him to join Product & Strategy at the beginning of this
>> year. Tilman will be moving out of his current role in Terry’s department
>> where he is right now wrapping up the current round of quarterly reviews
>> and preparation of the organization-wide quarterly report for Q1.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Jon
>>
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2015-10-15 Thread Greg Grossmeier 
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Re: [WikimediaMobile] [Wmfall] Tilman is joining the Reading Team!

2015-10-15 Thread Stephen Niedzielski 
Congrats!

On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 6:47 PM, Jacob Rogers  wrote:

> Congratulations, Tilman!
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Joe Sutherland  > wrote:
>
>> Congrats Tilman! A coup for the Reading team :)
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> On 16 October 2015 at 01:45, Anna Stillwell 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Congratulations, Tilman.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 5:10 PM,  wrote:
>>>
 Welcome Tilman! Look forward to working together more.

 On Oct 15, 2015, at 5:07 PM, Jon Katz  wrote:

 Hi Everyone,

 I’m happy to announce that, as of today, Tilman Bayer has officially
 joined the Reading product team as a Senior Analyst. He will increase our
 capacity for understanding our users and the impact of our efforts through
 data analysis. Tilman is responsible for:

-

generating our primary metrics and communicating them
-

consulting on, analyzing and communicating the results of
feature-specific instrumentation
-

driving best practices within the team with regard to analysis
(aided by his background in mathematics)


 Tilman has been shadowing the team for about a quarter, and has ramped
 up his involvement dramatically over the last month.  During this period,
 Tilman has moved quickly and is already owning the analysis of a
 significant number of our ongoing projects.

 Tilman’s weekly reading metrics report (example
 )
 is currently being sent out to the Mobile-l mailing list (which serves as
 the Reading team’s primary public mailing list). We are still gathering
 feedback from the subscribers of that list and once we have a sustainable
 and stable format, we hope to share more widely.

 Tilman has been working with us since July 2011, and has been a
 Wikipedian since 2003. He was an analyst on the Communications team until
 Erik Moeller asked him to join Product & Strategy at the beginning of this
 year. Tilman will be moving out of his current role in Terry’s department
 where he is right now wrapping up the current round of quarterly reviews
 and preparation of the organization-wide quarterly report for Q1.

 Best,

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Re: [WikimediaMobile] [Wmfall] Tilman is joining the Reading Team!

2015-10-15 Thread Jonathan Curiel 
Congratulations, Tilman!

On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 6:26 PM, Stephen Niedzielski <
sniedziel...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Congrats!
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 6:47 PM, Jacob Rogers 
> wrote:
>
>> Congratulations, Tilman!
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Joe Sutherland <
>> jsutherl...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Congrats Tilman! A coup for the Reading team :)
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> On 16 October 2015 at 01:45, Anna Stillwell 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Congratulations, Tilman.

 On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 5:10 PM,  wrote:

> Welcome Tilman! Look forward to working together more.
>
> On Oct 15, 2015, at 5:07 PM, Jon Katz  wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I’m happy to announce that, as of today, Tilman Bayer has officially
> joined the Reading product team as a Senior Analyst. He will increase our
> capacity for understanding our users and the impact of our efforts through
> data analysis. Tilman is responsible for:
>
>-
>
>generating our primary metrics and communicating them
>-
>
>consulting on, analyzing and communicating the results of
>feature-specific instrumentation
>-
>
>driving best practices within the team with regard to analysis
>(aided by his background in mathematics)
>
>
> Tilman has been shadowing the team for about a quarter, and has ramped
> up his involvement dramatically over the last month.  During this period,
> Tilman has moved quickly and is already owning the analysis of a
> significant number of our ongoing projects.
>
> Tilman’s weekly reading metrics report (example
> )
> is currently being sent out to the Mobile-l mailing list (which serves as
> the Reading team’s primary public mailing list). We are still gathering
> feedback from the subscribers of that list and once we have a sustainable
> and stable format, we hope to share more widely.
>
> Tilman has been working with us since July 2011, and has been a
> Wikipedian since 2003. He was an analyst on the Communications team until
> Erik Moeller asked him to join Product & Strategy at the beginning of this
> year. Tilman will be moving out of his current role in Terry’s department
> where he is right now wrapping up the current round of quarterly reviews
> and preparation of the organization-wide quarterly report for Q1.
>
> Best,
>
> Jon
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Re: [WikimediaMobile] Tilman is joining the Reading Team!

2015-10-15 Thread Florian Schmidt 
Welcome Tilman! :)

-Original-Nachricht- 

Betreff: [WikimediaMobile] Tilman is joining the Reading Team! 

Datum: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 02:08:14 +0200 

Von: Jon Katz  

An: "Staff (All)" , mobile-l
 

Hi Everyone, 

I’m happy to announce that, as of today, Tilman Bayer has
officially joined the Reading product team as a Senior Analyst. He
will increase our capacity for understanding our users and the impact
of our efforts through data analysis. Tilman is responsible for: 

* 

generating our primary metrics and communicating them 
* 

consulting on, analyzing and communicating the results of
feature-specific instrumentation 
* 

driving best practices within the team with regard to analysis (aided
by his background in mathematics) 

Tilman has been shadowing the team for about a quarter, and has
ramped up his involvement dramatically over the last month.  During
this period, Tilman has moved quickly and is already owning the
analysis of a significant number of our ongoing projects. 

Tilman’s weekly reading metrics report (example [1]) is currently
being sent out to the Mobile-l mailing list (which serves as the
Reading team’s primary public mailing list). We are still gathering
feedback from the subscribers of that list and once we have a
sustainable and stable format, we hope to share more widely.  

Tilman has been working with us since July 2011, and has been a
Wikipedian since 2003. He was an analyst on the Communications team
until Erik Moeller asked him to join Product & Strategy at the
beginning of this year. Tilman will be moving out of his current role
in Terry’s department where he is right now wrapping up the current
round of quarterly reviews and preparation of the organization-wide
quarterly report for Q1.  

Best, 
Jon

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[1]
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Re: [WikimediaMobile] [Wmfall] Tilman is joining the Reading Team!

2015-10-15 Thread Katy Love 
Do great things and have a great time, Tilman!

On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 7:33 PM, Jonathan Curiel 
wrote:

> Congratulations, Tilman!
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 6:26 PM, Stephen Niedzielski <
> sniedziel...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
>> Congrats!
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 6:47 PM, Jacob Rogers 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Congratulations, Tilman!
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Joe Sutherland <
>>> jsutherl...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>>
 Congrats Tilman! A coup for the Reading team :)

 Joe

 On 16 October 2015 at 01:45, Anna Stillwell 
 wrote:

> Congratulations, Tilman.
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 5:10 PM,  wrote:
>
>> Welcome Tilman! Look forward to working together more.
>>
>> On Oct 15, 2015, at 5:07 PM, Jon Katz  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> I’m happy to announce that, as of today, Tilman Bayer has officially
>> joined the Reading product team as a Senior Analyst. He will increase our
>> capacity for understanding our users and the impact of our efforts 
>> through
>> data analysis. Tilman is responsible for:
>>
>>-
>>
>>generating our primary metrics and communicating them
>>-
>>
>>consulting on, analyzing and communicating the results of
>>feature-specific instrumentation
>>-
>>
>>driving best practices within the team with regard to analysis
>>(aided by his background in mathematics)
>>
>>
>> Tilman has been shadowing the team for about a quarter, and has
>> ramped up his involvement dramatically over the last month.  During this
>> period, Tilman has moved quickly and is already owning the analysis of a
>> significant number of our ongoing projects.
>>
>> Tilman’s weekly reading metrics report (example
>> )
>> is currently being sent out to the Mobile-l mailing list (which serves as
>> the Reading team’s primary public mailing list). We are still gathering
>> feedback from the subscribers of that list and once we have a sustainable
>> and stable format, we hope to share more widely.
>>
>> Tilman has been working with us since July 2011, and has been a
>> Wikipedian since 2003. He was an analyst on the Communications team until
>> Erik Moeller asked him to join Product & Strategy at the beginning of 
>> this
>> year. Tilman will be moving out of his current role in Terry’s department
>> where he is right now wrapping up the current round of quarterly reviews
>> and preparation of the organization-wide quarterly report for Q1.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Jon
>>
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Re: [WikimediaMobile] Some interesting stuff from Google

2015-10-15 Thread Jon Robson 
I'd love to go but won't be here. Let us know what you find out Volker. I'd
personally be interested in what their answer is to "should wikipedia adopt
this (and why)"
On 12 Oct 2015 12:51 pm, "Volker Eckl"  wrote:

> Google will give an introduction on AMP at SFHTML5 Meetup on 23 Oct:
> http://www.meetup.com/de/sfhtml5/events/219966898/
>
> I'm in.
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 6:43 PM, Jon Katz  wrote:
>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 12:34 AM, Joaquin Oltra Hernandez <
>> jhernan...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>
>>> If you really wanted to, you can subset what you send to mobile browsers
>>> and get the same benefits (provided you use a really good CDN).
>>
>>
>> I think this announcement + the transcoding work Google is doing show
>> that this ^ is something we should be strongly considering. If google can
>> transcode our content and make it significantly faster (as Gergo showed in
>> another thread) and/or other sites are adopting similar technology, than
>> our users are going to expect a level of speed far higher than we can
>> currently provide.  I don't care if we use google's or our own, but do want
>> to make sure we aren't rebuilding the wheel if we don't have to.
>>
>> The conversations as to whether or not google is acting out of self
>> interest are fairly moot (they are...always), but I think Luis's points are
>> very apt about googles self interests being more closely aligned with ours
>> on the web than the other big players in this space.
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 9:27 AM, Luis Villa  wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 5:39 PM, Toby Negrin 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Luis --

 I honestly don't see a lot of difference between Google, Twitter and
 Facebook, since they are all ad supported entities with a fiscal
 responsibility to track their users and sell the data. Apple's a bit
 different on the surface since they have a different business model. I
 agree that these are bad for the internet but so are incredibly slow web
 pages that make apps essentially required for a good experience.

>>>
>>> I agree that the companies all have (essentially[1]) the same motives at
>>> the company level. The difference is that Google's technical approach to
>>> solving the latency problem is not explicitly tied to Google or to
>>> particular Google apps. (There is a pure web demo, for example, which works
>>> in any mobile browser, including Firefox for Android, and Twitter - a
>>> Google competitor - has already adopted it.) In contrast, Facebook and
>>> Apple's "solutions" for fast reading are very explicitly tied to (1) apps,
>>> not browsers, and (2) apps specifically from those companies. There will
>>> never be a future where Facebook's solution for latency works outside of
>>> Facebook; there is (at least in theory, and possibly in practice w/
>>> Twitter) such a future with AMP.
>>>
>>> Or to put it another way: Google's solution still might not be good, but
>>> it's at least possible that it could keep content on the open web; Facebook
>>> and Apple are pretty explicitly trying to kill the open web. There is no
>>> way the long game of the FB/Apple apps lead to good outcomes for
>>> independent publishers like us.
>>>
>>>
 On the analytics, this would probably not include their use of our
 content in the knowledge graph or elsewhere

>>>
>>> Oh, definitely won't. But it might give us some leverage in those
>>> discussions - having conceded that the analytics from some cached pages
>>> should be shared, it is no longer such a huge leap to analytics on other
>>> types of "cached"/processed data.
>>>
>>>
 and also might be troublesome for those who prefer google not to track
 their reading.

>>>
>>> There is a lot of devil in those details, of course, but for those
>>> coming from Google Search (still the vast majority of our users) the first
>>> leap is already tracked/known to Google. This doesn't necessarily make that
>>> worse. (Much depends on how the caching occurs; their ability to track the
>>> *second* page you read would be new, at least for iOS users - Android users
>>> already have this problem, I believe.)
>>>
>>>
 Bryan's ticket is a good embarkation point for thinking about
 supporting new clients; Reading is also planning some Reading
 infrastructure work for the summit which could relate[1]

>>>
 [1] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114542

>>>
>>> Great link, thanks.
>>>
>>> [1] The subtle difference, from our perspective, is that Google has
>>> pretty strong incentives to keep the open web viable, because making sense
>>> of (and selling ads on) the open web is their core competence. Facebook and
>>> Apple, in contrast, have no strategic reason to keep the open web viable:
>>> if they can turn every publisher into a FB-only or Apple-only publisher,
>>> they'd happily do that. Of course, an open web that doesn't depend