I think that one thing we have to remember is that we cannot deny what we like. If a group is indie or not is completely irrelevent. If you are listening to music like modest mouse only to impress as many people as you can by spouting off tons of cool hip bands that no one but you and your closest friends have heard of and how they have changed your life, you are listening to music for all the wrong reasons and you need to grow up. Music is an international language that should be shared on a broad scope and if you are going to value the bands that you treasure like trophies, I hope it's worth it to you, and I hope that all the people around you are impressed. Thats All! toDd HouLEtTe [EMAIL PROTECTED] nmc.uoregon.edu/~todd