and did anyone else notice that the weird, woozy-folky bit that comes at the end of "tiny cities made of ash" is hidden? If you're listening to the CD on random, you'll never hear it... you have to listen from "tiny cities" to "the cold part" to hear it. I think I've seen that before. This bit is part of a whole song on way earlier versions of the M&A. I don't know if it's got a name, but i call it "roof of my mouth". It's such a kool song, but it really doesn't fit the album, although i wish it was on there. i'd love to mp3 it or whatever, but i dunno how, and i don't think I have the equipment. --- -dave "all this talkin' all the time and the air fills up till there's nothing left to breathe." -MM GO GREEN-VOTE FOR NADER Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com