[OT] Re: Yahoo is moving to PHP ??
If they are going to inherently mangle their php and perl and lose that abstraction layer I think in 2 years they will look back and wish TMTOWTDI was their only problem That said, Kudo's to yahoo for being this public about it. These are the sorts of publically available presentations that give those of us trying to justify our existence some teeth. Walking into a management meeting and saying 'Look, even yahoo disdains Java and they have 4500+ servers and are the biggest internet portal and have a lot of geeks programming and even they admit modperl is awesome and fast and they are only not using it becuase its TO powerful' is a potent weapon. Cheesy yes, needed, yes.. John- On Thu, 31 Oct 2002 00:12:02 +0800 Gunther Birznieks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You would think if they want an anal scripting language they would move to python not PHP. :) John Saylor wrote: Hi ( 02.10.30 03:22 -0500 ) Perrin Harkins: They didn't make their decision on performance though. They seem to have been most influenced by the idea that perl allows too much flexibility in coding style, although I can't see how PHP is going to help with that. Wow, I'd like what *they* had for lunch! Quasi-seriously, as someone who has had to maintain mountains of bad perl code, I know TMTOWTDI can have a downside; but the openness of the language is what has lead to its greatness ...
[OT] Re: Yahoo is moving to PHP ??
List, You are probably not the best people to ask for an answer which might advocate PHP, but. Can someone who is more proficient in PHP than I (I have used it for 5 minutes) explain to me why it is quicker to prototype things in PHP? I can't understand this statement. Surely this is only applicable to people who are not proficient with mod_perl [% my_templating_engine %]? Much of the code from PHP based websites which I have read has seemed to take this prototyping idea too much to heart. It looks more like an overly complex prototype than a well working application. /me doesn't get it.
RE: [OT] Re: Yahoo is moving to PHP ??
The first thing to note is that our working definition of intuitive here translates
to: based on prior knowledge.
PHP is a tag based language and places relatively complex functions at the fingertips
of your average joe newbie. It is therefore more intuitive and remarkably faster to
develop with when you are employing a pool of bell-curve skilled programmers.
It is for this same reason that we offer cold fusion for the dynamic sites we host: if
you have a bit of experience with HTML, a one day class in cold fusion lets you work
with cookies and databases, et cetera. In our evaluation of what to support in terms
of web application languages, we selected perl for its power and Cold Fusion for its
speed of deployment; the latter over PHP because of its maturity { security,
stability, features, IDE support }. I laugh at the Java bashing because as time wore
on, you guessed it, we were asked to write an enterprise calendar in Java.
Derrick Stone
Internet Specialist
Web Development Center
UVa Health System
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-Original Message-
From: Richard Clarke [mailto:ric;likewhoa.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:34 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [OT] Re: Yahoo is moving to PHP ??
List,
You are probably not the best people to ask for an answer which
might advocate PHP,
but.
Can someone who is more proficient in PHP than I (I have used it
for 5 minutes) explain to me why it is quicker to prototype things in PHP?
I can't understand this statement. Surely this is only
applicable to people who are not proficient with mod_perl [%
my_templating_engine %]?
Much of the code from PHP based websites which I have read has
seemed to take this prototyping idea too much to heart. It looks more
like an overly
complex prototype than a well working application.
/me doesn't get it.
[OT] Re: Yahoo is moving to PHP ??
Check out their online map site, they do use Python for that. snippet o' URL: http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?BFCat=. You know you're going to have a bad day when you see the sun come up. Over the curb. Brian Nilsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, Gunther Birznieks wrote: You would think if they want an anal scripting language they would move to python not PHP. :) John Saylor wrote: Hi ( 02.10.30 03:22 -0500 ) Perrin Harkins: They didn't make their decision on performance though. They seem to have been most influenced by the idea that perl allows too much flexibility in coding style, although I can't see how PHP is going to help with that. Wow, I'd like what *they* had for lunch! Quasi-seriously, as someone who has had to maintain mountains of bad perl code, I know TMTOWTDI can have a downside; but the openness of the language is what has lead to its greatness ...
Re: [OT] Re: Yahoo is moving to PHP ??
Tom Servo wrote: Check out their online map site, they do use Python for that. I'm actually surprised they didn't go with Python, because the people I know there love it. If their backend data processing ever gets moved from Perl to something else, it would probably be moved to Python. - Perrin
Re: [OT] Re: Yahoo is moving to PHP ??
On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Richard Clarke wrote: List, You are probably not the best people to ask for an answer which might advocate PHP, but. Can someone who is more proficient in PHP than I (I have used it for 5 minutes) explain to me why it is quicker to prototype things in PHP? --- it isn't. PHP blows.
