Re: HTTP and MPM support

[tomcat]

I would like to add my voice to (at least) Russel's and Sive's.
Our situation (and I understand most of the non-Perl-PMC's interventors' in this thread is 
similar) is :
- we are interested in the future development of mod_perl, and are willing to "support" or 
"sponsor" such development
- we understand that nobody is actively working on mod_perl currently. What we do not 
know/understand clearly is "why not ?", and how to possibly change this situation
- we all have some programming resources available, but none of which have the current 
competences that we feel are necessary to undertake such development efficiently in the 
short term. That is because our organisations are mostly *users* of mod_perl, in the 
course of our main activity, which is to develop end-user-oriented application software, 
of which a part is currently based on Apache and mod_perl.
- we know that there are people in the mod_perl PMC which do have such competences. We do 
not know about their practical availability/willingness to do so.
- we have no hands-on experience of such kinds of open-source, "free" development 
projects, and we do not really know "what makes them tick"
- we all have some form of possible contribution in mind and among our possibilities, but 
so far, short apparently of providing ourselves some qualified programming staff to do the 
work (as Adam mentions below, and William did before him), it does not seem that there is 
any obvious avenue open to do so.


To wrap this up somewhat naively and roughly : if we just wanted to pour some money in 
such a project, to revive the interest of the current group of people which do have the 
competences and experience to work on this efficiently, how would we go about it ?

Or is this not possible/practical/sufficient ?
Could someone of the mod_perl PMC (or the Apache Foundation) take the lead about something 
like this, and somehow ask the right questions, and put together a proposal that could 
lead to such a "revival" of the Apache/mod_perl project ?
I believe that we could all collectively start by making a financial contribution to such 
a preliminary effort, if that is also what it takes to get it going.




On 07.02.2019 03:39, Adam Prime wrote:

I can tell you that at least some of the PMC members are on this list. But I can
also tell you that there is essentially no development going on right now. The
PMC is essentially idle, and there aren't any plans to do anything with regards
to improving support for newer MPM's. That said, the project is open source, and
if there are people or companies out there with the skills and desire to work on
those features, things can get merged, and people can get added to the PMC, or
as project commiters to enable that.

Adam


On 1/28/19 1:30 PM, Russell Lundberg wrote:

As a long-time fan and user of mod_perl, I like so much the way this
conversation is turning.

I also wonder if there is a formal process, perhaps an ASF process, for
coordinating the objectives voiced in this thread with the resources
required to achieve them?

For example, I believe Steve Hay has led mod_perl2 development lately,
versions 2.0.9 and 2.0.10, anyway. Should he be engaged, or if the leadership
of the project has been handed off, whoever has taken over?  Do the project
steward(s) follow this mailing list?

I don't mean to get in the way of positive and well-intended progress. I love
mod_perl and only want the best for its future development.

But there might be other development plans in progress with which coordination
would be helpful.

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On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 8:04 AM John Dunlap mailto:j...@lariat.co>> wrote:

I will second what Sive is saying. My organization does not have in-house
experience writing C code(our internal skill sets are web application and
database development) but we are potentially interested in sponsoring some
development on mod_perl with the goal of adding support for mpm_worker and
or mpm_event because we are interested in taking advantage of mod_http2.
In addition to our sponsorship, we could also assist in testing changes
and provided segfaults and debugging/environmental information from out
development and testing environments. Is anyone who is able to do this
kind of development interested in having a conversation with Sive and
myself with respect to sponsoring some development?

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 1:11 AM Sive Lindmark mailto:s...@capestream.se>> wrote:

Hi William!

Count on us, my firm can sponsor work as I stated before, and also
contribute setting up test cases and perhaps also do some coding if we
have the knowledge to do whats needed.
  

Re: HTTP and MPM support

[Румен Палов]

Hello all,

we feel in the same situation.

We are using mod_perl mostly as users and all of our production business 
activity is based and rely on perl / mod_perl.


We are able to secure finance funds, hardware and people hands( perl , 
DevOps ) to support mod_perl project and secure it's future.


I'm not familiar with the oraganisation and logsitics behind mod_perl 
development,but what André Warnier propose sounds resonable.


This Feb we was at FOSDEM 2019, Belgium, I was very sad because of lag 
of any serios interes, devrooms or presentaions for perl.


It was only one presentaion for perl: 
https://fosdem.org/2019/schedule/event/perl11/ , author Will the Chill 
Braswell.


Great Job Will.

Mod_perl is great implementation and it will be shame for all of us ( 
mod_perl users ) to leave it die because of all modern tendencies :)



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E-CARD LTD.

On 02/08/19 10:59, André Warnier (tomcat) wrote:

I would like to add my voice to (at least) Russel's and Sive's.
Our situation (and I understand most of the non-Perl-PMC's interventors' 
in this thread is similar) is :
- we are interested in the future development of mod_perl, and are 
willing to "support" or "sponsor" such development
- we understand that nobody is actively working on mod_perl currently. 
What we do not know/understand clearly is "why not ?", and how to 
possibly change this situation
- we all have some programming resources available, but none of which 
have the current competences that we feel are necessary to undertake 
such development efficiently in the short term. That is because our 
organisations are mostly *users* of mod_perl, in the course of our main 
activity, which is to develop end-user-oriented application software, of 
which a part is currently based on Apache and mod_perl.
- we know that there are people in the mod_perl PMC which do have such 
competences. We do not know about their practical 
availability/willingness to do so.
- we have no hands-on experience of such kinds of open-source, "free" 
development projects, and we do not really know "what makes them tick"
- we all have some form of possible contribution in mind and among our 
possibilities, but so far, short apparently of providing ourselves some 
qualified programming staff to do the work (as Adam mentions below, and 
William did before him), it does not seem that there is any obvious 
avenue open to do so.


To wrap this up somewhat naively and roughly : if we just wanted to pour 
some money in such a project, to revive the interest of the current 
group of people which do have the competences and experience to work on 
this efficiently, how would we go about it ?

Or is this not possible/practical/sufficient ?
Could someone of the mod_perl PMC (or the Apache Foundation) take the 
lead about something like this, and somehow ask the right questions, and 
put together a proposal that could lead to such a "revival" of the 
Apache/mod_perl project ?
I believe that we could all collectively start by making a financial 
contribution to such a preliminary effort, if that is also what it takes 
to get it going.




On 07.02.2019 03:39, Adam Prime wrote:
I can tell you that at least some of the PMC members are on this list. 
But I can
also tell you that there is essentially no development going on right 
now. The
PMC is essentially idle, and there aren't any plans to do anything 
with regards
to improving support for newer MPM's. That said, the project is open 
source, and
if there are people or companies out there with the skills and desire 
to work on
those features, things can get merged, and people can get added to the 
PMC, or

as project commiters to enable that.

Adam


On 1/28/19 1:30 PM, Russell Lundberg wrote:

As a long-time fan and user of mod_perl, I like so much the way this
conversation is turning.

I also wonder if there is a formal process, perhaps an ASF process, for
coordinating the objectives voiced in this thread with the resources
required to achieve them?

For example, I believe Steve Hay has led mod_perl2 development lately,
versions 2.0.9 and 2.0.10, anyway. Should he be engaged, or if the 
leadership
of the project has been handed off, whoever has taken over?  Do the 
project

steward(s) follow this mailing list?

I don't mean to get in the way of positive and well-intended 
progress. I love

mod_perl and only want the best for its future development.

But there might be other development plans in progress with which 
coordination

would be helpful.

--
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Sequential

Numbering _
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On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 8:04 AM John Dunlap mailto:j...@lariat.co>> wrote:

    I will second what Sive is saying. My organization does not have 
in-house
    experience writing

Re: HTTP and MPM support

[Sive Lindmark]

Hi!

about André’s post, I agree 100 % .

> I believe that we could all collectively start by making a financial 
> contribution to such a preliminary effort, if that is also what it takes to 
> get it going.
yes!!

Sive