Re: [OT](a bit) Re: HTTP and MPM support

2019-01-26 Thread Christophe JAILLET

Le 26/01/2019 à 00:00, André Warnier (tomcat) a écrit :

On 25.01.2019 21:15, Paul B. Henson wrote:

On 1/25/2019 11:00 AM, Michael A. Capone wrote:

I have to add my voice to the growing chorus here.


Me too. Frequently when the topic of mod_perl going stale comes up 
somebody jumps in with
"That's old stuff, you should be using PSGI/Plack". Those people 
simply don't understand
the overall utility of mod_perl beyond simply running a webapp 
. I have
authentication and authorization handlers written in mod_perl, and 
the ability to directly

access the Apache API allows things that PSGI simply cannot do.


I think that is a reasonable bet to say that by the mere fact of being 
subscribed to this list, we all express our interest in, and love of 
perl and mod_perl in particular.
(I cannot complain, as I was the first one to hijack John's question 
in that sense).


But really, the underlying concern here seems to find out a bit about 
the future support and evolution of mod_perl, in parallel to the 
evolution of Apache httpd and the HTTP protocol(s).


So if a mod_perl committer would happen to read this, it would be nice 
to get some information or pointers.

There is a list here, so I suppose there are some such people :
http://people.apache.org/phonebook.html?pmc=perl


Hi,

You can have a look at the following ASF monthly report to have some 
more ideas on the activity of the project:


http://www.apache.org/foundation/records/minutes/2018/board_minutes_2018_11_21.txt

There has already been a more or less simitar discussion this summer 
(http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/perl-modperl/201806.mbox/thread 
(continued in July and August))


In short: some are still interested in the development and/or 
maintenance of mod_perl but there are some limitation:

   - lack of http2 support because http2 does not work with prefork
   - lack of mpm other than prefork support (according to the thread)

CJ


As this is an Apache Project, I would guess that starting from the 
main site apache.org, there must also be a way to find out about any 
activity in that project (it's named sometimes "perl", sometimes 
"mod_perl" there, but if you follow the project link, you end up on 
the same on-line documentation page that we all know and love, but 
which doesn't seem to lead to any further data on what's happening 
currently).
There is also a "perl-dev" mailing list, but browsing it backward from 
today doesn't seem to show much activity since January 2017 (Hi, 
Rainer and Steve :-)


The good side about this of course, is that mod_perl would appear to 
be a very stable and reliable module, since there is also not much 
evidence of bugs, patches etc.

The less good side is that it appears indeed *very* stable.

Unless we're all on the wrong track, and there is a hidden project 
somewhere for a mod_perl 3 based on perl 6..







[OT](a bit) Re: HTTP and MPM support

2019-01-25 Thread tomcat

On 25.01.2019 21:15, Paul B. Henson wrote:

On 1/25/2019 11:00 AM, Michael A. Capone wrote:

I have to add my voice to the growing chorus here.


Me too. Frequently when the topic of mod_perl going stale comes up somebody 
jumps in with
"That's old stuff, you should be using PSGI/Plack". Those people simply don't 
understand
the overall utility of mod_perl beyond simply running a webapp . I have
authentication and authorization handlers written in mod_perl, and the ability 
to directly
access the Apache API allows things that PSGI simply cannot do.


I think that is a reasonable bet to say that by the mere fact of being subscribed to this 
list, we all express our interest in, and love of perl and mod_perl in particular.

(I cannot complain, as I was the first one to hijack John's question in that 
sense).

But really, the underlying concern here seems to find out a bit about the future support 
and evolution of mod_perl, in parallel to the evolution of Apache httpd and the HTTP 
protocol(s).


So if a mod_perl committer would happen to read this, it would be nice to get some 
information or pointers.

There is a list here, so I suppose there are some such people :
http://people.apache.org/phonebook.html?pmc=perl

As this is an Apache Project, I would guess that starting from the main site apache.org, 
there must also be a way to find out about any activity in that project (it's named 
sometimes "perl", sometimes "mod_perl" there, but if you follow the project link, you end 
up on the same on-line documentation page that we all know and love, but which doesn't 
seem to lead to any further data on what's happening currently).
There is also a "perl-dev" mailing list, but browsing it backward from today doesn't seem 
to show much activity since January 2017 (Hi, Rainer and Steve :-)


The good side about this of course, is that mod_perl would appear to be a very stable and 
reliable module, since there is also not much evidence of bugs, patches etc.

The less good side is that it appears indeed *very* stable.

Unless we're all on the wrong track, and there is a hidden project somewhere for a 
mod_perl 3 based on perl 6..