[Mono-dev] Debian CI & PPA for Ubuntu/Debian
Hello to the Mono devel list! I started a discussion this weekend on ubuntu-devel-discuss to talk about Mono on that platform and getting more current versions available. You can catch up here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2014-June/015005.html As we started to untangle things, it came up that the current CI for Mono on Debian is currently not working. I'm not familiar with building Mono or properly packaging software, however I'm wondering if this is something Xamarin/Mono could take a look at? I know historically this relationship has been a bit strange, but what I'm looking for here as a "user" of Mono is for the two sides to somehow come together -- I think there's a decent amount interest in having the latest & greatest available on Ubuntu. Failing all that, perhaps at the very least, the discussion here on this list could focus on what exactly it would take (from Mono/Xamarin's perspective) to get current versions of Mono flowing on Ubuntu again. Also, feel free to jump over to the other discussion if it's appropriate. Before I finish, a choice tweet from a while back: https://twitter.com/migueldeicaza/status/442491724683018241 This might just be me, but ensuring developers on Ubuntu are on the same footing as Mac/Windows would definitely go a long way towards that hope. All the best! Alexander Trauzzi atrau...@gmail.com ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] Debian CI & PPA for Ubuntu/Debian
Hello Alexander, We are getting our house in order in terms of Linux support. Jo Shields, one of the Mono/Debian maintainers will be joining Xamarin this July to work on both keeping our packages up to date on Linux, as well as restoring our sanity when it comes to regressions, public CI and other services that have languished. We really wish he could start earlier, but he had to wrap up a long commitment with his current employer. That said, we look forward for a bright and lovely future for Mono on Linux again. Miguel On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 6:07 AM, Alexander Trauzzi wrote: > Hello to the Mono devel list! > > I started a discussion this weekend on ubuntu-devel-discuss to talk about > Mono on that platform and getting more current versions available. You can > catch up here: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2014-June/015005.html > > As we started to untangle things, it came up that the current CI for Mono > on Debian is currently not working. I'm not familiar with building Mono or > properly packaging software, however I'm wondering if this is something > Xamarin/Mono could take a look at? > > I know historically this relationship has been a bit strange, but what I'm > looking for here as a "user" of Mono is for the two sides to somehow come > together -- I think there's a decent amount interest in having the latest & > greatest available on Ubuntu. > > Failing all that, perhaps at the very least, the discussion here on this > list could focus on what exactly it would take (from Mono/Xamarin's > perspective) to get current versions of Mono flowing on Ubuntu again. > Also, feel free to jump over to the other discussion if it's appropriate. > > Before I finish, a choice tweet from a while back: > https://twitter.com/migueldeicaza/status/442491724683018241 > This might just be me, but ensuring developers on Ubuntu are on the same > footing as Mac/Windows would definitely go a long way towards that hope. > > All the best! > > > Alexander Trauzzi > atrau...@gmail.com > > ___ > Mono-devel-list mailing list > Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list > > ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] Debian CI & PPA for Ubuntu/Debian
Hey Miguel, What fantastic news for a Monday morning! I actually just did a lap around the room, you can ask my wife, she'll confirm it. LOL At least on my own behalf, if not also from all those who have been waiting patiently, thank you! Just to clarify, does this also mean Ubuntu users can look forward to a PPA, or will there still be some efforts necessary to take things the rest of the way there? - Alex On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 8:16 AM, Miguel de Icaza wrote: > Hello Alexander, > > We are getting our house in order in terms of Linux support. Jo Shields, > one of the Mono/Debian maintainers will be joining Xamarin this July to > work on both keeping our packages up to date on Linux, as well as restoring > our sanity when it comes to regressions, public CI and other services that > have languished. > > We really wish he could start earlier, but he had to wrap up a long > commitment with his current employer. > > That said, we look forward for a bright and lovely future for Mono on > Linux again. > > Miguel > > > On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 6:07 AM, Alexander Trauzzi > wrote: > >> Hello to the Mono devel list! >> >> I started a discussion this weekend on ubuntu-devel-discuss to talk about >> Mono on that platform and getting more current versions available. You can >> catch up here: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2014-June/015005.html >> >> As we started to untangle things, it came up that the current CI for Mono >> on Debian is currently not working. I'm not familiar with building Mono or >> properly packaging software, however I'm wondering if this is something >> Xamarin/Mono could take a look at? >> >> I know historically this relationship has been a bit strange, but what >> I'm looking for here as a "user" of Mono is for the two sides to somehow >> come together -- I think there's a decent amount interest in having the >> latest & greatest available on Ubuntu. >> >> Failing all that, perhaps at the very least, the discussion here on this >> list could focus on what exactly it would take (from Mono/Xamarin's >> perspective) to get current versions of Mono flowing on Ubuntu again. >> Also, feel free to jump over to the other discussion if it's appropriate. >> >> Before I finish, a choice tweet from a while back: >> https://twitter.com/migueldeicaza/status/442491724683018241 >> This might just be me, but ensuring developers on Ubuntu are on the same >> footing as Mac/Windows would definitely go a long way towards that hope. >> >> All the best! >> >> >> Alexander Trauzzi >> atrau...@gmail.com >> >> ___ >> Mono-devel-list mailing list >> Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com >> http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list >> >> > ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] Debian CI & PPA for Ubuntu/Debian
Does this mean you ‘ll start looking at hosting official packages for other distros too? For example, I currently maintain a 586 (not 686) build for Wind River Linux. For a variety of reasons, not having to do that myself sure would be nice. -Chris From: mono-devel-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com [mailto:mono-devel-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com] On Behalf Of Miguel de Icaza Sent: Monday, June 16, 2014 8:16 AM To: Alexander Trauzzi Cc: mono-devel Subject: Re: [Mono-dev] Debian CI & PPA for Ubuntu/Debian Hello Alexander, We are getting our house in order in terms of Linux support. Jo Shields, one of the Mono/Debian maintainers will be joining Xamarin this July to work on both keeping our packages up to date on Linux, as well as restoring our sanity when it comes to regressions, public CI and other services that have languished. We really wish he could start earlier, but he had to wrap up a long commitment with his current employer. That said, we look forward for a bright and lovely future for Mono on Linux again. Miguel On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 6:07 AM, Alexander Trauzzi mailto:atrau...@gmail.com>> wrote: Hello to the Mono devel list! I started a discussion this weekend on ubuntu-devel-discuss to talk about Mono on that platform and getting more current versions available. You can catch up here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2014-June/015005.html As we started to untangle things, it came up that the current CI for Mono on Debian is currently not working. I'm not familiar with building Mono or properly packaging software, however I'm wondering if this is something Xamarin/Mono could take a look at? I know historically this relationship has been a bit strange, but what I'm looking for here as a "user" of Mono is for the two sides to somehow come together -- I think there's a decent amount interest in having the latest & greatest available on Ubuntu. Failing all that, perhaps at the very least, the discussion here on this list could focus on what exactly it would take (from Mono/Xamarin's perspective) to get current versions of Mono flowing on Ubuntu again. Also, feel free to jump over to the other discussion if it's appropriate. Before I finish, a choice tweet from a while back: https://twitter.com/migueldeicaza/status/442491724683018241 This might just be me, but ensuring developers on Ubuntu are on the same footing as Mac/Windows would definitely go a long way towards that hope. All the best! Alexander Trauzzi atrau...@gmail.com<mailto:atrau...@gmail.com> ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com<mailto:Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com> http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] Debian CI & PPA for Ubuntu/Debian
Hello Chris, I am not sure that we will cover every possible Linux, but we will try to cover the major Linux distributions/versions. So there is still room for other minor versions to keep their own builds going. On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 7:34 AM, Chris Tacke wrote: > Does this mean you ‘ll start looking at hosting official packages for > other distros too? For example, I currently maintain a 586 (not 686) build > for Wind River Linux. For a variety of reasons, not having to do that > myself sure would be nice. > > > > -Chris > > > > > > *From:* mono-devel-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com [mailto: > mono-devel-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com] *On Behalf Of *Miguel de Icaza > *Sent:* Monday, June 16, 2014 8:16 AM > *To:* Alexander Trauzzi > *Cc:* mono-devel > *Subject:* Re: [Mono-dev] Debian CI & PPA for Ubuntu/Debian > > > > Hello Alexander, > > > > We are getting our house in order in terms of Linux support. Jo Shields, > one of the Mono/Debian maintainers will be joining Xamarin this July to > work on both keeping our packages up to date on Linux, as well as restoring > our sanity when it comes to regressions, public CI and other services that > have languished. > > > > We really wish he could start earlier, but he had to wrap up a long > commitment with his current employer. > > > > That said, we look forward for a bright and lovely future for Mono on > Linux again. > > > > Miguel > > > > On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 6:07 AM, Alexander Trauzzi > wrote: > > Hello to the Mono devel list! > > > > I started a discussion this weekend on ubuntu-devel-discuss to talk about > Mono on that platform and getting more current versions available. You can > catch up here: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2014-June/015005.html > > > > As we started to untangle things, it came up that the current CI for Mono > on Debian is currently not working. I'm not familiar with building Mono or > properly packaging software, however I'm wondering if this is something > Xamarin/Mono could take a look at? > > > > I know historically this relationship has been a bit strange, but what I'm > looking for here as a "user" of Mono is for the two sides to somehow come > together -- I think there's a decent amount interest in having the latest & > greatest available on Ubuntu. > > > > Failing all that, perhaps at the very least, the discussion here on this > list could focus on what exactly it would take (from Mono/Xamarin's > perspective) to get current versions of Mono flowing on Ubuntu again. > Also, feel free to jump over to the other discussion if it's appropriate. > > > > Before I finish, a choice tweet from a while back: > https://twitter.com/migueldeicaza/status/442491724683018241 > > This might just be me, but ensuring developers on Ubuntu are on the same > footing as Mac/Windows would definitely go a long way towards that hope. > > > > All the best! > > > > > > Alexander Trauzzi > > atrau...@gmail.com > > > ___ > Mono-devel-list mailing list > Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list > > > ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] Debian CI & PPA for Ubuntu/Debian
That makes sense and I definitely agree that Xamarin can't support every single distribution under the sun. The most popular ones in deployment scenarios are the closest to a target-able commercial release Linux gets. On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Miguel de Icaza wrote: > Hello Chris, > > I am not sure that we will cover every possible Linux, but we will try to > cover the major Linux distributions/versions. > > So there is still room for other minor versions to keep their own builds > going. > > > On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 7:34 AM, Chris Tacke wrote: > >> Does this mean you ‘ll start looking at hosting official packages for >> other distros too? For example, I currently maintain a 586 (not 686) build >> for Wind River Linux. For a variety of reasons, not having to do that >> myself sure would be nice. >> >> >> >> -Chris >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* mono-devel-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com [mailto: >> mono-devel-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com] *On Behalf Of *Miguel de Icaza >> *Sent:* Monday, June 16, 2014 8:16 AM >> *To:* Alexander Trauzzi >> *Cc:* mono-devel >> *Subject:* Re: [Mono-dev] Debian CI & PPA for Ubuntu/Debian >> >> >> >> Hello Alexander, >> >> >> >> We are getting our house in order in terms of Linux support. Jo >> Shields, one of the Mono/Debian maintainers will be joining Xamarin this >> July to work on both keeping our packages up to date on Linux, as well as >> restoring our sanity when it comes to regressions, public CI and other >> services that have languished. >> >> >> >> We really wish he could start earlier, but he had to wrap up a long >> commitment with his current employer. >> >> >> >> That said, we look forward for a bright and lovely future for Mono on >> Linux again. >> >> >> >> Miguel >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 6:07 AM, Alexander Trauzzi >> wrote: >> >> Hello to the Mono devel list! >> >> >> >> I started a discussion this weekend on ubuntu-devel-discuss to talk about >> Mono on that platform and getting more current versions available. You can >> catch up here: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2014-June/015005.html >> >> >> >> As we started to untangle things, it came up that the current CI for Mono >> on Debian is currently not working. I'm not familiar with building Mono or >> properly packaging software, however I'm wondering if this is something >> Xamarin/Mono could take a look at? >> >> >> >> I know historically this relationship has been a bit strange, but what >> I'm looking for here as a "user" of Mono is for the two sides to somehow >> come together -- I think there's a decent amount interest in having the >> latest & greatest available on Ubuntu. >> >> >> >> Failing all that, perhaps at the very least, the discussion here on this >> list could focus on what exactly it would take (from Mono/Xamarin's >> perspective) to get current versions of Mono flowing on Ubuntu again. >> Also, feel free to jump over to the other discussion if it's appropriate. >> >> >> >> Before I finish, a choice tweet from a while back: >> https://twitter.com/migueldeicaza/status/442491724683018241 >> >> This might just be me, but ensuring developers on Ubuntu are on the same >> footing as Mac/Windows would definitely go a long way towards that hope. >> >> >> >> All the best! >> >> >> >> >> >> Alexander Trauzzi >> >> atrau...@gmail.com >> >> >> ___ >> Mono-devel-list mailing list >> Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com >> http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list >> >> >> > > > ___ > Mono-devel-list mailing list > Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list > > ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] Debian CI & PPA for Ubuntu/Debian
Hey Chris and Miguel, I need to support an "extra platform" too, for Tizen (see http://monotizen.com). Perhaps we can collaborate on producing some good standard "patterns" for community-supported additional platform support? It would be good if there was a simple way for additional platforms to hook into common CI infrastucture (with contributed VMs), and to expose their binaries through the Mono Project website in a common way. It is great that Xamarin is bringing Linux support back up to first-class support, but there will always be a role for community supported "lesser platforms", and there is no need or benefit in trying to do those in the same way as the core platforms. Cheers, Bob On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 7:39 AM, Miguel de Icaza wrote: > Hello Chris, > > I am not sure that we will cover every possible Linux, but we will try to > cover the major Linux distributions/versions. > > So there is still room for other minor versions to keep their own builds > going. > > > On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 7:34 AM, Chris Tacke wrote: > >> Does this mean you 'll start looking at hosting official packages for >> other distros too? For example, I currently maintain a 586 (not 686) build >> for Wind River Linux. For a variety of reasons, not having to do that >> myself sure would be nice. >> >> >> >> -Chris >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* mono-devel-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com [mailto: >> mono-devel-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com] *On Behalf Of *Miguel de Icaza >> *Sent:* Monday, June 16, 2014 8:16 AM >> *To:* Alexander Trauzzi >> *Cc:* mono-devel >> *Subject:* Re: [Mono-dev] Debian CI & PPA for Ubuntu/Debian >> >> >> >> Hello Alexander, >> >> >> >> We are getting our house in order in terms of Linux support. Jo >> Shields, one of the Mono/Debian maintainers will be joining Xamarin this >> July to work on both keeping our packages up to date on Linux, as well as >> restoring our sanity when it comes to regressions, public CI and other >> services that have languished. >> >> >> >> We really wish he could start earlier, but he had to wrap up a long >> commitment with his current employer. >> >> >> >> That said, we look forward for a bright and lovely future for Mono on >> Linux again. >> >> >> >> Miguel >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 6:07 AM, Alexander Trauzzi >> wrote: >> >> Hello to the Mono devel list! >> >> >> >> I started a discussion this weekend on ubuntu-devel-discuss to talk about >> Mono on that platform and getting more current versions available. You can >> catch up here: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2014-June/015005.html >> >> >> >> As we started to untangle things, it came up that the current CI for Mono >> on Debian is currently not working. I'm not familiar with building Mono or >> properly packaging software, however I'm wondering if this is something >> Xamarin/Mono could take a look at? >> >> >> >> I know historically this relationship has been a bit strange, but what >> I'm looking for here as a "user" of Mono is for the two sides to somehow >> come together -- I think there's a decent amount interest in having the >> latest & greatest available on Ubuntu. >> >> >> >> Failing all that, perhaps at the very least, the discussion here on this >> list could focus on what exactly it would take (from Mono/Xamarin's >> perspective) to get current versions of Mono flowing on Ubuntu again. >> Also, feel free to jump over to the other discussion if it's appropriate. >> >> >> >> Before I finish, a choice tweet from a while back: >> https://twitter.com/migueldeicaza/status/442491724683018241 >> >> This might just be me, but ensuring developers on Ubuntu are on the same >> footing as Mac/Windows would definitely go a long way towards that hope. >> >> >> >> All the best! >> >> >> >> >> >> Alexander Trauzzi >> >> atrau...@gmail.com >> >> >> ___ >> Mono-devel-list mailing list >> Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com >> http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list >> >> >> > > > ___ > Mono-devel-list mailing list > Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list > > -- b...@summerwill.net ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] Debian CI & PPA for Ubuntu/Debian
Agreed. My major pain point with the distro right now is in CI. I'm using Jenkins on a Windows machine to build our C# application products and installers for both Windows and Linux platforms. I have it all working, including generating tarballs for Linux. The one problem is that I don't have it pulling and rebuilding Mono, because my steps for that are done on a separate Ubuntu VM. That makes it a manual (i.e. not done very often because I'm too busy) process. It also seems inefficient because anyone else looking for a scaled down (we customize what goes into the build to exclude winforms and a lot of crusft that simply isn't needed for a headless embedded device), 586 device like the Intel Galileo dev system is unlikely to ever find our Mono tarball on our public FTP. A central CI system and a central repository for builds would be very useful in reducing fragmentation. -Chris From: bobsummerw...@gmail.com [mailto:bobsummerw...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Bob Summerwill Sent: Monday, June 16, 2014 10:03 AM To: Miguel de Icaza Cc: Chris Tacke; mono-devel Subject: Re: [Mono-dev] Debian CI & PPA for Ubuntu/Debian Hey Chris and Miguel, I need to support an "extra platform" too, for Tizen (see http://monotizen.com). Perhaps we can collaborate on producing some good standard "patterns" for community-supported additional platform support? It would be good if there was a simple way for additional platforms to hook into common CI infrastucture (with contributed VMs), and to expose their binaries through the Mono Project website in a common way. It is great that Xamarin is bringing Linux support back up to first-class support, but there will always be a role for community supported "lesser platforms", and there is no need or benefit in trying to do those in the same way as the core platforms. Cheers, Bob On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 7:39 AM, Miguel de Icaza mailto:mig...@xamarin.com>> wrote: Hello Chris, I am not sure that we will cover every possible Linux, but we will try to cover the major Linux distributions/versions. So there is still room for other minor versions to keep their own builds going. On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 7:34 AM, Chris Tacke mailto:cta...@opennetcf.com>> wrote: Does this mean you 'll start looking at hosting official packages for other distros too? For example, I currently maintain a 586 (not 686) build for Wind River Linux. For a variety of reasons, not having to do that myself sure would be nice. -Chris From: mono-devel-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com<mailto:mono-devel-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com> [mailto:mono-devel-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com<mailto:mono-devel-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com>] On Behalf Of Miguel de Icaza Sent: Monday, June 16, 2014 8:16 AM To: Alexander Trauzzi Cc: mono-devel Subject: Re: [Mono-dev] Debian CI & PPA for Ubuntu/Debian Hello Alexander, We are getting our house in order in terms of Linux support. Jo Shields, one of the Mono/Debian maintainers will be joining Xamarin this July to work on both keeping our packages up to date on Linux, as well as restoring our sanity when it comes to regressions, public CI and other services that have languished. We really wish he could start earlier, but he had to wrap up a long commitment with his current employer. That said, we look forward for a bright and lovely future for Mono on Linux again. Miguel On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 6:07 AM, Alexander Trauzzi mailto:atrau...@gmail.com>> wrote: Hello to the Mono devel list! I started a discussion this weekend on ubuntu-devel-discuss to talk about Mono on that platform and getting more current versions available. You can catch up here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2014-June/015005.html As we started to untangle things, it came up that the current CI for Mono on Debian is currently not working. I'm not familiar with building Mono or properly packaging software, however I'm wondering if this is something Xamarin/Mono could take a look at? I know historically this relationship has been a bit strange, but what I'm looking for here as a "user" of Mono is for the two sides to somehow come together -- I think there's a decent amount interest in having the latest & greatest available on Ubuntu. Failing all that, perhaps at the very least, the discussion here on this list could focus on what exactly it would take (from Mono/Xamarin's perspective) to get current versions of Mono flowing on Ubuntu again. Also, feel free to jump over to the other discussion if it's appropriate. Before I finish, a choice tweet from a while back: https://twitter.com/migueldeicaza/status/442491724683018241 This might just be me, but ensuring developers on Ubuntu are on the same footing as Mac/Windows would definitely go a long way towards that hope. All the best! Alexander T
Re: [Mono-dev] Debian CI & PPA for Ubuntu/Debian
Presumably that means SuSE as well? This really is excellent news, as Mono is fantastic for cross-platform sysadmin scripting and good Linux support is key to tha. >>> Miguel de Icaza 06/16/14 9:40 AM >>> Hello Chris, I am not sure that we will cover every possible Linux, but we will try to cover the major Linux distributions/versions. So there is still room for other minor versions to keep their own builds going. On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 7:34 AM, Chris Tacke wrote: > Does this mean you ‘ll start looking at hosting official packages for > other distros too? For example, I currently maintain a 586 (not 686) build > for Wind River Linux. For a variety of reasons, not having to do that > myself sure would be nice. > > > > -Chris > > > > > > *From:* mono-devel-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com [mailto: > mono-devel-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com] *On Behalf Of *Miguel de Icaza > *Sent:* Monday, June 16, 2014 8:16 AM > *To:* Alexander Trauzzi > *Cc:* mono-devel > *Subject:* Re: [Mono-dev] Debian CI & PPA for Ubuntu/Debian > > > > Hello Alexander, > > > > We are getting our house in order in terms of Linux support. Jo Shields, > one of the Mono/Debian maintainers will be joining Xamarin this July to > work on both keeping our packages up to date on Linux, as well as restoring > our sanity when it comes to regressions, public CI and other services that > have languished. > > > > We really wish he could start earlier, but he had to wrap up a long > commitment with his current employer. > > > > That said, we look forward for a bright and lovely future for Mono on > Linux again. > > > > Miguel > > > > On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 6:07 AM, Alexander Trauzzi > wrote: > > Hello to the Mono devel list! > > > > I started a discussion this weekend on ubuntu-devel-discuss to talk about > Mono on that platform and getting more current versions available. You can > catch up here: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2014-June/015005.html > > > > As we started to untangle things, it came up that the current CI for Mono > on Debian is currently not working. I'm not familiar with building Mono or > properly packaging software, however I'm wondering if this is something > Xamarin/Mono could take a look at? > > > > I know historically this relationship has been a bit strange, but what I'm > looking for here as a "user" of Mono is for the two sides to somehow come > together -- I think there's a decent amount interest in having the latest & > greatest available on Ubuntu. > > > > Failing all that, perhaps at the very least, the discussion here on this > list could focus on what exactly it would take (from Mono/Xamarin's > perspective) to get current versions of Mono flowing on Ubuntu again. > Also, feel free to jump over to the other discussion if it's appropriate. > > > > Before I finish, a choice tweet from a while back: > https://twitter.com/migueldeicaza/status/442491724683018241 > > This might just be me, but ensuring developers on Ubuntu are on the same > footing as Mac/Windows would definitely go a long way towards that hope. > > > > All the best! > > > > > > Alexander Trauzzi > > atrau...@gmail.com > > > ___ > Mono-devel-list mailing list > Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list > > > ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] Debian CI & PPA for Ubuntu/Debian
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Johnnie Odom wrote: > > > Presumably that means SuSE as well? > > > This really is excellent news, as Mono is fantastic for cross-platform > sysadmin scripting and good Linux support is key to tha. > There are some more up to date SuSE (openSUSE) packages in Mono:Factory on build.opensuse.org. I don't have much time to make them 100%, but any testing/help would be appreciated. Cheers, Stephen ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] Debian CI & PPA for Ubuntu/Debian
On 16/06/2014 16:13, Chris Tacke wrote: > > Agreed. My major pain point with the distro right now is in CI. I'm > using Jenkins on a Windows machine to build our C# application > products and installers for both Windows and Linux platforms. I have > it all working, including generating tarballs for Linux. The one > problem is that I don't have it pulling and rebuilding Mono, because > my steps for that are done on a separate Ubuntu VM. That makes it a > manual (i.e. not done very often because I'm too busy) process. It > also seems inefficient because anyone else looking for a scaled down > (we customize what goes into the build to exclude winforms and a lot > of crusft that simply isn't needed for a headless embedded device), > 586 device like the Intel Galileo dev system is unlikely to ever find > our Mono tarball on our public FTP. > > > Chris, I've been wanting to put together a Mono build variant for Yocto meta-mono for just such headless devices. Could you possibly point me to the customisations you do for e.g. Galileo as that sounds like an excellent starting point? Thanks, Alex ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] Debian CI & PPA for Ubuntu/Debian
Yes, the current ones that I have in mind are: * CentOS * Debian/Ubuntu * Fedora * OpenSUSE Anything else will have to wait until we have a solid story there. Miguel On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 8:20 AM, Johnnie Odom wrote: > > > > > Presumably that means SuSE as well? > > > This really is excellent news, as Mono is fantastic for cross-platform > sysadmin scripting and good Linux support is key to tha. > > >>> Miguel de Icaza 06/16/14 9:40 AM >>> > Hello Chris, > > I am not sure that we will cover every possible Linux, but we will try > to > cover the major Linux distributions/versions. > > So there is still room for other minor versions to keep their own builds > going. > > > On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 7:34 AM, Chris Tacke > wrote: > > > Does this mean you ‘ll start looking at hosting official packages for > > other distros too? For example, I currently maintain a 586 (not 686) > build > > for Wind River Linux. For a variety of reasons, not having to do that > > myself sure would be nice. > > > > > > > > -Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* mono-devel-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com [mailto: > > mono-devel-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com] *On Behalf Of *Miguel de > Icaza > > *Sent:* Monday, June 16, 2014 8:16 AM > > *To:* Alexander Trauzzi > > *Cc:* mono-devel > > *Subject:* Re: [Mono-dev] Debian CI & PPA for Ubuntu/Debian > > > > > > > > Hello Alexander, > > > > > > > > We are getting our house in order in terms of Linux support. Jo > Shields, > > one of the Mono/Debian maintainers will be joining Xamarin this July > to > > work on both keeping our packages up to date on Linux, as well as > restoring > > our sanity when it comes to regressions, public CI and other services > that > > have languished. > > > > > > > > We really wish he could start earlier, but he had to wrap up a long > > commitment with his current employer. > > > > > > > > That said, we look forward for a bright and lovely future for Mono on > > Linux again. > > > > > > > > Miguel > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 6:07 AM, Alexander Trauzzi > > > wrote: > > > > Hello to the Mono devel list! > > > > > > > > I started a discussion this weekend on ubuntu-devel-discuss to talk > about > > Mono on that platform and getting more current versions available. You > can > > catch up here: > > > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2014-June/015005.html > > > > > > > > As we started to untangle things, it came up that the current CI for > Mono > > on Debian is currently not working. I'm not familiar with building > Mono or > > properly packaging software, however I'm wondering if this is > something > > Xamarin/Mono could take a look at? > > > > > > > > I know historically this relationship has been a bit strange, but what > I'm > > looking for here as a "user" of Mono is for the two sides to somehow > come > > together -- I think there's a decent amount interest in having the > latest & > > greatest available on Ubuntu. > > > > > > > > Failing all that, perhaps at the very least, the discussion here on > this > > list could focus on what exactly it would take (from Mono/Xamarin's > > perspective) to get current versions of Mono flowing on Ubuntu again. > > Also, feel free to jump over to the other discussion if it's > appropriate. > > > > > > > > Before I finish, a choice tweet from a while back: > > https://twitter.com/migueldeicaza/status/442491724683018241 > > > > This might just be me, but ensuring developers on Ubuntu are on the > same > > footing as Mac/Windows would definitely go a long way towards that > hope. > > > > > > > > All the best! > > > > > > > > > > > > Alexander Trauzzi > > > > atrau...@gmail.com > > > > > > ___ > > Mono-devel-list mailing list > > Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com > > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list > > > > > > > > > > ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] Debian CI & PPA for Ubuntu/Debian
Debian as in the Raspberry Pi version would be awesome… wheezy? The big issue there has been the hard float support. John John Waters, MVP CTO4Hire LLC c: 831.295.3218 <http://www.cto4hire.net> www.cto4hire.net From: mono-devel-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com [mailto:mono-devel-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com] On Behalf Of Miguel de Icaza Sent: Monday, June 16, 2014 9:00 AM To: Johnnie Odom Cc: mono-devel Subject: Re: [Mono-dev] Debian CI & PPA for Ubuntu/Debian Yes, the current ones that I have in mind are: * CentOS * Debian/Ubuntu * Fedora * OpenSUSE Anything else will have to wait until we have a solid story there. Miguel On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 8:20 AM, Johnnie Odom mailto:jo...@escambia.k12.fl.us> > wrote: Presumably that means SuSE as well? This really is excellent news, as Mono is fantastic for cross-platform sysadmin scripting and good Linux support is key to tha. >>> Miguel de Icaza mailto:mig...@xamarin.com> > 06/16/14 >>> 9:40 AM >>> Hello Chris, I am not sure that we will cover every possible Linux, but we will try to cover the major Linux distributions/versions. So there is still room for other minor versions to keep their own builds going. On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 7:34 AM, Chris Tacke mailto:cta...@opennetcf.com> > wrote: > Does this mean you ‘ll start looking at hosting official packages for > other distros too? For example, I currently maintain a 586 (not 686) build > for Wind River Linux. For a variety of reasons, not having to do that > myself sure would be nice. > > > > -Chris > > > > > > *From:* mono-devel-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com > <mailto:mono-devel-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com> [mailto: > mono-devel-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com > <mailto:mono-devel-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com> ] *On Behalf Of *Miguel de Icaza > *Sent:* Monday, June 16, 2014 8:16 AM > *To:* Alexander Trauzzi > *Cc:* mono-devel > *Subject:* Re: [Mono-dev] Debian CI & PPA for Ubuntu/Debian > > > > Hello Alexander, > > > > We are getting our house in order in terms of Linux support. Jo Shields, > one of the Mono/Debian maintainers will be joining Xamarin this July to > work on both keeping our packages up to date on Linux, as well as restoring > our sanity when it comes to regressions, public CI and other services that > have languished. > > > > We really wish he could start earlier, but he had to wrap up a long > commitment with his current employer. > > > > That said, we look forward for a bright and lovely future for Mono on > Linux again. > > > > Miguel > > > > On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 6:07 AM, Alexander Trauzzi mailto:atrau...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > Hello to the Mono devel list! > > > > I started a discussion this weekend on ubuntu-devel-discuss to talk about > Mono on that platform and getting more current versions available. You can > catch up here: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2014-June/015005.html > > > > As we started to untangle things, it came up that the current CI for Mono > on Debian is currently not working. I'm not familiar with building Mono or > properly packaging software, however I'm wondering if this is something > Xamarin/Mono could take a look at? > > > > I know historically this relationship has been a bit strange, but what I'm > looking for here as a "user" of Mono is for the two sides to somehow come > together -- I think there's a decent amount interest in having the latest & > greatest available on Ubuntu. > > > > Failing all that, perhaps at the very least, the discussion here on this > list could focus on what exactly it would take (from Mono/Xamarin's > perspective) to get current versions of Mono flowing on Ubuntu again. > Also, feel free to jump over to the other discussion if it's appropriate. > > > > Before I finish, a choice tweet from a while back: > https://twitter.com/migueldeicaza/status/442491724683018241 > > This might just be me, but ensuring developers on Ubuntu are on the same > footing as Mac/Windows would definitely go a long way towards that hope. > > > > All the best! > > > > > > Alexander Trauzzi > > atrau...@gmail.com <mailto:atrau...@gmail.com> > > > ___ > Mono-devel-list mailing list > Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com <mailto:Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com> > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list > > > ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] Debian CI & PPA for Ubuntu/Debian
Hey Miguel, I also forgot to ask, does this mean there will also be a release of Xamarin Studio for the targeted Linux distributions? - Alex On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 8:16 AM, Miguel de Icaza wrote: > Hello Alexander, > > We are getting our house in order in terms of Linux support. Jo Shields, > one of the Mono/Debian maintainers will be joining Xamarin this July to > work on both keeping our packages up to date on Linux, as well as restoring > our sanity when it comes to regressions, public CI and other services that > have languished. > > We really wish he could start earlier, but he had to wrap up a long > commitment with his current employer. > > That said, we look forward for a bright and lovely future for Mono on > Linux again. > > Miguel > > > On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 6:07 AM, Alexander Trauzzi > wrote: > >> Hello to the Mono devel list! >> >> I started a discussion this weekend on ubuntu-devel-discuss to talk about >> Mono on that platform and getting more current versions available. You can >> catch up here: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2014-June/015005.html >> >> As we started to untangle things, it came up that the current CI for Mono >> on Debian is currently not working. I'm not familiar with building Mono or >> properly packaging software, however I'm wondering if this is something >> Xamarin/Mono could take a look at? >> >> I know historically this relationship has been a bit strange, but what >> I'm looking for here as a "user" of Mono is for the two sides to somehow >> come together -- I think there's a decent amount interest in having the >> latest & greatest available on Ubuntu. >> >> Failing all that, perhaps at the very least, the discussion here on this >> list could focus on what exactly it would take (from Mono/Xamarin's >> perspective) to get current versions of Mono flowing on Ubuntu again. >> Also, feel free to jump over to the other discussion if it's appropriate. >> >> Before I finish, a choice tweet from a while back: >> https://twitter.com/migueldeicaza/status/442491724683018241 >> This might just be me, but ensuring developers on Ubuntu are on the same >> footing as Mac/Windows would definitely go a long way towards that hope. >> >> All the best! >> >> >> Alexander Trauzzi >> atrau...@gmail.com >> >> ___ >> Mono-devel-list mailing list >> Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com >> http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list >> >> > ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] Debian CI & PPA for Ubuntu/Debian
Hello Alex, Xamarin Studio is just our Android/iOS add-in, and the branding addin on top of a vanilla Xamarin Studio. Those addins require an SDK that is not available on Linux, so it does not make much sense to ship those. Miguel On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Alexander Trauzzi wrote: > Hey Miguel, > > I also forgot to ask, does this mean there will also be a release of > Xamarin Studio for the targeted Linux distributions? > > > - Alex > > > > On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 8:16 AM, Miguel de Icaza > wrote: > >> Hello Alexander, >> >> We are getting our house in order in terms of Linux support. Jo >> Shields, one of the Mono/Debian maintainers will be joining Xamarin this >> July to work on both keeping our packages up to date on Linux, as well as >> restoring our sanity when it comes to regressions, public CI and other >> services that have languished. >> >> We really wish he could start earlier, but he had to wrap up a long >> commitment with his current employer. >> >> That said, we look forward for a bright and lovely future for Mono on >> Linux again. >> >> Miguel >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 6:07 AM, Alexander Trauzzi >> wrote: >> >>> Hello to the Mono devel list! >>> >>> I started a discussion this weekend on ubuntu-devel-discuss to talk >>> about Mono on that platform and getting more current versions available. >>> You can catch up here: >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2014-June/015005.html >>> >>> As we started to untangle things, it came up that the current CI for >>> Mono on Debian is currently not working. I'm not familiar with building >>> Mono or properly packaging software, however I'm wondering if this is >>> something Xamarin/Mono could take a look at? >>> >>> I know historically this relationship has been a bit strange, but what >>> I'm looking for here as a "user" of Mono is for the two sides to somehow >>> come together -- I think there's a decent amount interest in having the >>> latest & greatest available on Ubuntu. >>> >>> Failing all that, perhaps at the very least, the discussion here on this >>> list could focus on what exactly it would take (from Mono/Xamarin's >>> perspective) to get current versions of Mono flowing on Ubuntu again. >>> Also, feel free to jump over to the other discussion if it's appropriate. >>> >>> Before I finish, a choice tweet from a while back: >>> https://twitter.com/migueldeicaza/status/442491724683018241 >>> This might just be me, but ensuring developers on Ubuntu are on the >>> same footing as Mac/Windows would definitely go a long way towards that >>> hope. >>> >>> All the best! >>> >>> >>> Alexander Trauzzi >>> atrau...@gmail.com >>> >>> ___ >>> Mono-devel-list mailing list >>> Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com >>> http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list >>> >>> >> > ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] Debian CI & PPA for Ubuntu/Debian
But perhaps this webpage will change, Miguel? http://monodevelop.com/Download ... with the openSUSE, SLE, Debian and Ubuntu binaries for MonoDevelop becoming "first class citizens", co-released with Windows and Mac? Cheers, Bob On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 7:32 AM, Miguel de Icaza wrote: > Hello Alex, > > Xamarin Studio is just our Android/iOS add-in, and the branding addin on > top of a vanilla Xamarin Studio. > > Those addins require an SDK that is not available on Linux, so it does not > make much sense to ship those. > > Miguel > > > On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Alexander Trauzzi > wrote: > >> Hey Miguel, >> >> I also forgot to ask, does this mean there will also be a release of >> Xamarin Studio for the targeted Linux distributions? >> >> >> - Alex >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 8:16 AM, Miguel de Icaza >> wrote: >> >>> Hello Alexander, >>> >>> We are getting our house in order in terms of Linux support. Jo >>> Shields, one of the Mono/Debian maintainers will be joining Xamarin this >>> July to work on both keeping our packages up to date on Linux, as well as >>> restoring our sanity when it comes to regressions, public CI and other >>> services that have languished. >>> >>> We really wish he could start earlier, but he had to wrap up a long >>> commitment with his current employer. >>> >>> That said, we look forward for a bright and lovely future for Mono on >>> Linux again. >>> >>> Miguel >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 6:07 AM, Alexander Trauzzi >>> wrote: >>> Hello to the Mono devel list! I started a discussion this weekend on ubuntu-devel-discuss to talk about Mono on that platform and getting more current versions available. You can catch up here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2014-June/015005.html As we started to untangle things, it came up that the current CI for Mono on Debian is currently not working. I'm not familiar with building Mono or properly packaging software, however I'm wondering if this is something Xamarin/Mono could take a look at? I know historically this relationship has been a bit strange, but what I'm looking for here as a "user" of Mono is for the two sides to somehow come together -- I think there's a decent amount interest in having the latest & greatest available on Ubuntu. Failing all that, perhaps at the very least, the discussion here on this list could focus on what exactly it would take (from Mono/Xamarin's perspective) to get current versions of Mono flowing on Ubuntu again. Also, feel free to jump over to the other discussion if it's appropriate. Before I finish, a choice tweet from a while back: https://twitter.com/migueldeicaza/status/442491724683018241 This might just be me, but ensuring developers on Ubuntu are on the same footing as Mac/Windows would definitely go a long way towards that hope. All the best! Alexander Trauzzi atrau...@gmail.com ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list >>> >> > > ___ > Mono-devel-list mailing list > Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list > > -- b...@summerwill.net ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
