Re: [Mono-dev] How to make new locales for CultureInfo?
Atsushi, Which culture do you need specifically ? Our product is for minority languages, many of them endangered, few of which are in the ICU database. There some 6000 languages in the world, and most of these languages need, for example, small sort-order tailorings. The One Laptop Per Child project may be ushering Linux into many of these language communities for the first time. It looks like we'll have to wrap the ICU library ourselves and can't use the mono code for our globalization. Sigh. Thanks for the prompt information, though! John Hatton WeSay.org ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] How to make new locales for CultureInfo?
Hmm, what I cannot understand is that while you say that few of those languages you need are in ICU but you are still saying you will use ICU. Also note that CultureAndRegionInfoBuilder never helps custom string collation. That framework is only for number and date formatting. Atsushi Eno John Hatton wrote: Atsushi, Which culture do you need specifically ? Our product is for minority languages, many of them endangered, few of which are in the ICU database. There some 6000 languages in the world, and most of these languages need, for example, small sort-order tailorings. The One Laptop Per Child project may be ushering Linux into many of these language communities for the first time. It looks like we'll have to wrap the ICU library ourselves and can't use the mono code for our globalization. Sigh. Thanks for the prompt information, though! John Hatton WeSay.org ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] How to make new locales for CultureInfo?
Atsushi, Hmm, what I cannot understand is that while you say that few of those languages you need are in ICU but you are still saying you will use ICU. We don't need a language to be known to or distributed by ICU. We can use the ICU library, for example, by feeding it custom collation rules and then asking it for sortkeys. We've done this in a previous project that was C++. For this one, we'll make some kind of ICU-Sharp wrapper. Also note that CultureAndRegionInfoBuilder never helps custom string collation. That framework is only for number and date formatting. Ok. I was thinking that 1) CultureInfo does string comparison,then 2)since CultureAndRegionInfoBuilder can make a CultureInfo out of an LDML, and 3) LDML defines custom collations, and 4) the resulting CultureInfo would use the custom collation rules in the ldml. It sounds like you're saying Microsoft's ldml reader ignores the collations element of ldml? Oh well, that's too bad. Thanks again for the information. John Hatton WeSay.org ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] How to make new locales for CultureInfo?
Hello John, We don't need a language to be known to or distributed by ICU. We can use the ICU library, for example, by feeding it custom collation rules and then asking it for sortkeys. We've done this in a previous project that was C++. For this one, we'll make some kind of ICU-Sharp wrapper. Ok, I understand. BTW if you could give us a managed implementation for ICU, that would be awesome (pure C# code is extraordinary great, but a wrapper is still good) :-) Also note that CultureAndRegionInfoBuilder never helps custom string collation. That framework is only for number and date formatting. Ok. I was thinking that 1) CultureInfo does string comparison,then 2)since CultureAndRegionInfoBuilder can make a CultureInfo out of an LDML, and 3) LDML defines custom collations, and 4) the resulting CultureInfo would use the custom collation rules in the ldml. It sounds like you're saying Microsoft's ldml reader ignores the collations element of ldml? Oh well, that's too bad. Yes. Note that MS String collation does not conform to UTS #10 (Unicode Collation Algorithm) so there is no hope. Their design is 10 years behind (almost literally; UTS #10 is specified in 1998). Atsushi Eno ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
[Mono-dev] How to make new locales for CultureInfo?
In our application, which is solely for the world's minority languages, we would like to be able to make new CultureInfo's from ldlm files (Locale Data Markup Language). On the Windows side, we can use the .Net Framework 2.0's CultureAndRegionInfoBuilder class. Any ideas on how we could do something on the Linux side? Is ICU still used underneath? (It still has a property called IcuName). If so, is that the level that our app needs to introduce new locale info, and then mono's CultureInfo will be able to pick it up there? Thanks John Hatton wesay.org ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] How to make new locales for CultureInfo?
Hello, Sadly we don't have sysglobl.dll which implements CultureAndRegionInfoBuilder. It is a bit messy that it requires additional consideration on how culture resources should be retrieved and stored (I have to admit that I dislike it since this framework works only on the machine that installed the corresponding culture). Our culture information is created from LDML information (which is actually from ICU) and stored in the mono runtime itself. If you want to add other cultures that we miss, you might be able to pull them from newer ICU and add it in the catalog (mono/tools/locale-builder/lcids.xml). Which culture do you need specifically ? Atsushi Eno John Hatton wrote: In our application, which is solely for the world's minority languages, we would like to be able to make new CultureInfo's from ldlm files (Locale Data Markup Language). On the Windows side, we can use the .Net Framework 2.0's CultureAndRegionInfoBuilder class. Any ideas on how we could do something on the Linux side? Is ICU still used underneath? (It still has a property called IcuName). If so, is that the level that our app needs to introduce new locale info, and then mono's CultureInfo will be able to pick it up there? Thanks John Hatton wesay.org ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
