Re: [Mono-dev] Mono on Android: state of the union?
Would I be allowed to develop my own java bindings (obviously they wouldn't be as high-quality as Novell's commercial product) for mono on android and deploy mono-based applications without licensing Novell's commercial product? Would I subsequently be able to release said bindings under an appropriate open source license? It seems natural to assume so, but you need to be a lawyer to understand software licensing these days. -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Mono-on-Android-state-of-the-union-tp1528216p1774004.html Sent from the Mono - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] Mono on Android: state of the union?
I would think that you could develop your own bindings, as there are at least 3 other implementations that I know of. However, like most of us, IANAL. The MonoDroid and the efforts by Koushik Dutta[1] may be one and the same, but I don't know right now. On Novell's side, there is quite literally no information other than we're working on it and here's the name. I'm eagerly watching Koush's RSS for anything Android + Mono related. It appears that the last part of the puzzle which is still missing, is a tool to generate the C# bindings from the Java API. As for the LGPL, the mono runtime binaries installed on the phone should easily be user replaceable. And if it's an open source app, then there's no problem at all. If anyone has any more info, please reply. I'd imagine that many people are waiting for any information at all. Joe [1] http://www.koushikdutta.com/2010/01/androiddll.html Message: 2 Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 05:20:16 -0800 (PST) From: JeroMiya bell.jer...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Mono-dev] Mono on Android: state of the union? To: mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com Message-ID: 1270732816608-1774004.p...@n4.nabble.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Would I be allowed to develop my own java bindings (obviously they wouldn't be as high-quality as Novell's commercial product) for mono on android and deploy mono-based applications without licensing Novell's commercial product? Would I subsequently be able to release said bindings under an appropriate open source license? It seems natural to assume so, but you need to be a lawyer to understand software licensing these days. ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] Mono on Android: state of the union?
Koush responded to my tweet saying that he stopped working on it when Novell announced their own plans for Droid bindings. I don't think he ever committed the binding generator code to his git repository. It's a pity, because as a hobbyist mobile developer I certainly couldn't afford the licensing fee for a commercial monodroid license, but given even basic bindings without the kind of Visual Studio/MonoDevelop tooling support one would expect in the official MonoDroid, I could certainly make due. It would be easy to allow the user to replace the runtime on their phone - just distribute the code for the bindings and the eclipse project to build the android package that installs it. I believe that would satisfy the requirements of the LGPL. Or am I missing something? On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Joe Dluzen jdlu...@gmail.com wrote: I would think that you could develop your own bindings, as there are at least 3 other implementations that I know of. However, like most of us, IANAL. The MonoDroid and the efforts by Koushik Dutta[1] may be one and the same, but I don't know right now. On Novell's side, there is quite literally no information other than we're working on it and here's the name. I'm eagerly watching Koush's RSS for anything Android + Mono related. It appears that the last part of the puzzle which is still missing, is a tool to generate the C# bindings from the Java API. As for the LGPL, the mono runtime binaries installed on the phone should easily be user replaceable. And if it's an open source app, then there's no problem at all. If anyone has any more info, please reply. I'd imagine that many people are waiting for any information at all. Joe [1] http://www.koushikdutta.com/2010/01/androiddll.html Message: 2 Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 05:20:16 -0800 (PST) From: JeroMiya bell.jer...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Mono-dev] Mono on Android: state of the union? To: mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com Message-ID: 1270732816608-1774004.p...@n4.nabble.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Would I be allowed to develop my own java bindings (obviously they wouldn't be as high-quality as Novell's commercial product) for mono on android and deploy mono-based applications without licensing Novell's commercial product? Would I subsequently be able to release said bindings under an appropriate open source license? It seems natural to assume so, but you need to be a lawyer to understand software licensing these days. ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] Mono on Android: state of the union?
Is it a given that MonoDroid won't be free? I know MonoTouch isn't, but Mono for MeeGo is free, for example... JeroMiya wrote: Koush responded to my tweet saying that he stopped working on it when Novell announced their own plans for Droid bindings. I don't think he ever committed the binding generator code to his git repository. It's a pity, because as a hobbyist mobile developer I certainly couldn't afford the licensing fee for a commercial monodroid license, but given even basic bindings without the kind of Visual Studio/MonoDevelop tooling support one would expect in the official MonoDroid, I could certainly make due. It would be easy to allow the user to replace the runtime on their phone - just distribute the code for the bindings and the eclipse project to build the android package that installs it. I believe that would satisfy the requirements of the LGPL. Or am I missing something? On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Joe Dluzen jdlu...@gmail.com wrote: I would think that you could develop your own bindings, as there are at least 3 other implementations that I know of. However, like most of us, IANAL. The MonoDroid and the efforts by Koushik Dutta[1] may be one and the same, but I don't know right now. On Novell's side, there is quite literally no information other than we're working on it and here's the name. I'm eagerly watching Koush's RSS for anything Android + Mono related. It appears that the last part of the puzzle which is still missing, is a tool to generate the C# bindings from the Java API. As for the LGPL, the mono runtime binaries installed on the phone should easily be user replaceable. And if it's an open source app, then there's no problem at all. If anyone has any more info, please reply. I'd imagine that many people are waiting for any information at all. Joe [1] http://www.koushikdutta.com/2010/01/androiddll.html Message: 2 Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 05:20:16 -0800 (PST) From: JeroMiya bell.jer...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Mono-dev] Mono on Android: state of the union? To: mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com Message-ID: 1270732816608-1774004.p...@n4.nabble.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Would I be allowed to develop my own java bindings (obviously they wouldn't be as high-quality as Novell's commercial product) for mono on android and deploy mono-based applications without licensing Novell's commercial product? Would I subsequently be able to release said bindings under an appropriate open source license? It seems natural to assume so, but you need to be a lawyer to understand software licensing these days. ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Mono-on-Android-state-of-the-union-tp1528216p1782206.html Sent from the Mono - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] Mono on Android: state of the union?
There might be a possibility that the core runtime will be free, but not the bindings that would let you use the native Android APIs that would allow you to do anything outside of a hello world console program: Quote from Miquel de Icaza: It seems like you can use Mono on the Android today, but there is no binding to their Java-based APIs. At Novell we are going to offer a commercial product to target the Android with the native APIs, but do not have yet a timeline ready. On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Stifu st...@free.fr wrote: Is it a given that MonoDroid won't be free? I know MonoTouch isn't, but Mono for MeeGo is free, for example... JeroMiya wrote: Koush responded to my tweet saying that he stopped working on it when Novell announced their own plans for Droid bindings. I don't think he ever committed the binding generator code to his git repository. It's a pity, because as a hobbyist mobile developer I certainly couldn't afford the licensing fee for a commercial monodroid license, but given even basic bindings without the kind of Visual Studio/MonoDevelop tooling support one would expect in the official MonoDroid, I could certainly make due. It would be easy to allow the user to replace the runtime on their phone - just distribute the code for the bindings and the eclipse project to build the android package that installs it. I believe that would satisfy the requirements of the LGPL. Or am I missing something? On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Joe Dluzen jdlu...@gmail.com wrote: I would think that you could develop your own bindings, as there are at least 3 other implementations that I know of. However, like most of us, IANAL. The MonoDroid and the efforts by Koushik Dutta[1] may be one and the same, but I don't know right now. On Novell's side, there is quite literally no information other than we're working on it and here's the name. I'm eagerly watching Koush's RSS for anything Android + Mono related. It appears that the last part of the puzzle which is still missing, is a tool to generate the C# bindings from the Java API. As for the LGPL, the mono runtime binaries installed on the phone should easily be user replaceable. And if it's an open source app, then there's no problem at all. If anyone has any more info, please reply. I'd imagine that many people are waiting for any information at all. Joe [1] http://www.koushikdutta.com/2010/01/androiddll.html Message: 2 Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 05:20:16 -0800 (PST) From: JeroMiya bell.jer...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Mono-dev] Mono on Android: state of the union? To: mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com Message-ID: 1270732816608-1774004.p...@n4.nabble.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Would I be allowed to develop my own java bindings (obviously they wouldn't be as high-quality as Novell's commercial product) for mono on android and deploy mono-based applications without licensing Novell's commercial product? Would I subsequently be able to release said bindings under an appropriate open source license? It seems natural to assume so, but you need to be a lawyer to understand software licensing these days. ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Mono-on-Android-state-of-the-union-tp1528216p1782206.html Sent from the Mono - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] Mono on Android: state of the union?
Hello, * http://www.koushikdutta.com/2009/01/mono-on-android-with-gratuitous-shaky.html * http://www.koushikdutta.com/2009/01/dalvik-vs-mono.html * http://www.koushikdutta.com/2009/01/building-mono-for-android.html If I wanted to write something in C# today and have it run on Mono on my Android device, what's the easiest way to do this? It seems like you can use Mono on the Android today, but there is no binding to their Java-based APIs. At Novell we are going to offer a commercial product to target the Android with the native APIs, but do not have yet a timeline ready. ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
[Mono-dev] Mono on Android: state of the union?
Around this time last year, Koushik Dutta and Marc Crichton were doing some cool stuff with Mono on Android, demonstrating a complete working stack and running DLR examples from a simple command prompt. Since then, however, I've had a lot of trouble finding more recent information about what's been happening. See, e.g.: * http://www.koushikdutta.com/2009/01/mono-on-android-with-gratuitous-shaky.html * http://www.koushikdutta.com/2009/01/dalvik-vs-mono.html * http://www.koushikdutta.com/2009/01/building-mono-for-android.html If I wanted to write something in C# today and have it run on Mono on my Android device, what's the easiest way to do this? ~ jf P.S. I mistakenly sent this to mono-docs-list first. Apologies for the crosspost. -- John Feminella Principal Consultant, Distilled Brilliance ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
