Re: [Mono-list] Generic Linux installer for Mono 2.1 still missing (or just the files)

2008-11-16 Thread Paul
Hi,

> I also loved the idea of the installer, but developers that had multiple
> versions of Mono installed ended up with partial setups of Mono and
> people would complain that things were broken.

Can you not have a dead switch (something akin to how the configure
script works) that runs mono -V and if it returns something then the
installer quits saying there is a version already installed (possibly
running which mono will show the user where it is). Okay, it doesn't
catch if there are multiple copies in there, but it does go some way to
re-instating the installer.

TTFN

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Re: [Mono-list] SSL and SMTP

2008-11-16 Thread Miguel de Icaza
Hello,

> For the record, these procedure got me working (you need to follow all steps):
> 
> http://go-mono.com/forums/#nabble-td19851624|a19892174

This question keeps popping up in the forums and irc, it seems like we
need to add this to the FAQ.


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Re: [Mono-list] Generic Linux installer for Mono 2.1 still missing (or just the files)

2008-11-16 Thread Miguel de Icaza
> Why make it predict anything? From my experience, packages are either
> put into /usr/local, /usr or /opt - why not just have a radio button on
> the installer?

Developers used the installer to install private copies of Mono in their
home directories.

I also loved the idea of the installer, but developers that had multiple
versions of Mono installed ended up with partial setups of Mono and
people would complain that things were broken.

Miguel

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Re: [Mono-list] Mono.Simd - Phylosophical comments

2008-11-16 Thread Miguel de Icaza
Hello,

I just wanted to clarify Rodrigo's post a little:

> 3) I would add more high level constructs like Matrix that
> make use of the
> SIMD hardware.
>  
> We first need to expose a rich and usable set of intrinsics to what
> SSE currently has. Once we do finish with that, we might look at
> exposing more high level functionality.
> 
> On the other hand, such experimentation should happens outside of
> Mono.Simd to be more agile and not bound to mono's own release
> schedule.
> 
> I would love to see such extensions been build, but rather as a
> separate library which has way more flexibility in how it's developed
> - let's take the awesome Mono.Rocks as a fine example of that.

The Mono.Rocks that Rodrigo is talking about is a library of extension
methods that was created to augment existing data types and collections.

The idea behind the "Rocks" families is that they add value to existing
libraries, can be prototyped easily, and do not get added to libraries
that might have a tighter release schedule or API change limitations.

Miguel.
> 

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Re: [Mono-list] NUnit Version - Upgrade soon?

2008-11-16 Thread Miguel de Icaza
Hello,

> I use NUnit for work and have been using the latest version for
> months.  I wrote some test for Mono and found out that the version
> that Mono is using does not support some of the asserts I am using
> (IsEmpty).  Is there any plan to upgrade the version of NUnit that is
> used with the Mono build/test?

The NUnit that ships with Mono should be considered Mono's own copy of
NUnit and not a public version of it.

We should probably make packages of the latest version of NUnit,
encourage the NUnit developer to maintain those and encourage developers
to use the public NUnit as opposed to the private copy that Mono ships.

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[Mono-list] Web.Config connection strings not working - all I get is "Unrecognized attribute 'ConnectionString'. ()"

2008-11-16 Thread Pxtl

Web.Config snippets:


   

 

  

also,




and, in my asp.net usercontrol



but all I ever get is "Unrecognized attribute 'ConnectionString'. ()", with
a stacktrace that seems mainly to complain about XmlSerializer exceptions.

I'm  using Mono 1.9.1, and Connector/Net 5.2.3, which is supposed to work
well with 1.9.1.

What gives?  I mean, there are workarounds, but a lot of crucial libs expect
the connection string to live in the connectionStrings section.
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Re: [Mono-list] Mono Boolean to C bool

2008-11-16 Thread Robert Jordan
Kevin Heeney wrote:
> Thanks.  That worked.  I didn't realize there was a MonoBoolean.  I  
> just knew of MonoObject, MonoString and MonoArray for managed  
> objects.  Is there any API documentation on top of the embedding mono  
> page?

Wiki:
http://www.mono-project.com/Embedding_Mono

Samples:
http://anonsvn.mono-project.com/viewvc/trunk/mono/samples/embed/

API Docs (under the "Mono Embedding" node):
http://www.go-mono.com/docs/

Public header files:
$prefix/include/mono-1.0/mono/
especially
$prefix/include/mono-1.0/mono/metadata/

Robert

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Re: [Mono-list] Generic Linux installer for Mono 2.1 still missing (or just the files)

2008-11-16 Thread Paul
Hi,

> The generic linux installer has been discontinued.  It cannot correctly
> predict where to put things on all version of linux, so people end up
> with broken Mono installs.

Why make it predict anything? From my experience, packages are either
put into /usr/local, /usr or /opt - why not just have a radio button on
the installer?

As for where to put things, you only really need to know if you're using
Fedora or not for this (I don't know if any other distro puts things
in /usr/lib64 for 64 bit versions of mono). Assuming you're not using
Fedora/Redhat, then it will be /opt/mono... or /usr/lib/mono...
or /usr/local/lib/mono...

Okay, this is very simplistic and probably is missing a pile of things
(I've never used the Mono generic installer), but from what I can see,
it should do the job.

YAMV ;-)

TTFN

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Re: [Mono-list] Olive/REST/WCF

2008-11-16 Thread Jonathan Pobst
MoMA 1.9+ should pick up WCF projects just fine.  However, it reports 
based on what we actually ship with Mono, so if there are parts we have 
in SVN that we do not ship yet, those will show as API that Mono does 
not have yet.

Jonathan


Danny Waite wrote:
> Hi Atsushi ,
>  
> Will moma pick up WCF projects? I guess not seen as the 
> System.ServiceModel.Web code seems still to be in SVN.
>  
> Do you have any experience with REST?  If so, should WCF web services be 
> workable in mono?
>  
> My goal is to create something like the following.
>  
> http://weblogs.asp.net/shijuvarghese/archive/2008/04/04/rest-and-wcf-3-5.aspx
>  
> Regards,
> Danny
> 
>  > Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:28:27 +0900
>  > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  > To: mono-list@lists.ximian.com
>  > Subject: Re: [Mono-list] Olive/REST/WCF
>  >
>  > There is "gui-compare" and "moma" when you are curious about
>  > missing/not-supported functionality (google them for details).
>  >
>  > Atsushi Eno
>  >
>  > Danny Waite wrote:
>  > > Excellent, thanks Atsushi,
>  > >
>  > > Are you able to comment on the parts that are not yet ready? Is it
>  > > workable right now for basic functionality?
>  > >
>  > > Regards,
>  > > Danny
>  > >
>  > > > Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:39:13 +0900
>  > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  > > > To: mono-list@lists.ximian.com
>  > > > Subject: Re: [Mono-list] Olive/REST/WCF
>  > > >
>  > > > Hi,
>  > > >
>  > > > The WCF core is incomplete, but System.ServiceModel.Web is almost
>  > > > already done:
>  > > >
>  > > 
> http://anonsvn.mono-project.com/viewvc/trunk/mcs/class/System.ServiceModel.Web/
>  > > >
>  > > > Atsushi Eno
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > > Danny Waite wrote:
>  > > > > Hi All,
>  > > > >
>  > > > > I'm looking at the possibility of using REST together with mono 
> and
>  > > wondering if anyone has any experience with this.
>  > > > >
>  > > > > .NET 3.5 provides such functionality using System.ServiceModel.Web
>  > > however I'm unsure if this functionality is implemented in Olive yet.
>  > > > >
>  > > > > I see there are a number of REST libraries around that might do 
> the
>  > > trick, but before I dive in I want to see if anyone else has been on
>  > > this path.
>  > > > >
>  > > > > Any help/comments are appreciated.
>  > > > >
>  > > > > Regards,
>  > > > > Danny
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Re: [Mono-list] Mono Boolean to C bool

2008-11-16 Thread Kevin Heeney
Thanks.  That worked.  I didn't realize there was a MonoBoolean.  I  
just knew of MonoObject, MonoString and MonoArray for managed  
objects.  Is there any API documentation on top of the embedding mono  
page?

Thanks,
Kevin



On Nov 16, 2008, at 10:40 AM, Robert Jordan wrote:

> Kevin Heeney wrote:
>> I am using C to invoke Mono and it is working well.  A few weeks  
>> ago I
>> hit an issue where I was calling a few functions that returned a  
>> boolean
>> from Mono.  I changed those functions to return an integer ( I  
>> cast the
>> boolean to an int and did Math.Abs on that int in Mono) and just  
>> set the
>> returned int to a bool in C.  That worked fine, but now I am
>> re-evaluating and cleaning some things up.  What would be the best  
>> way
>> to take a MonoObject* referencing a Boolean and get a C bool out  
>> of it
>> (or a integer representing the value of that boolean).
>>
>> I have a couple of ideas for ways to do this that I know would  
>> work, but
>> I have a feeling there is an easier way.
>>
>> In other words, how can I get a C bool (or an int where false=0  
>> and true
>> is anything else) out of the monOb in this code:
>>
>> MonoMethodDesc *monoMethDesc2 =  mono_method_desc_new
>> (":callSomeMethodThatReturnsABoolean()",FALSE);
>> MonoMethod *meth2= mono_method_desc_search_in_class
>> (monoMethDesc2, myMonoClass);
>> MonoObject* monOb =  mono_runtime_invoke (meth2,
>> theObjectThatOwnsTheMethodThatReturnsABoolean, NULL, NULL);
>
> You must unbox value types because mono_runtime_invoke is
> always returning value types boxed as objects:
>
> if (monObj) {
>   MonoBoolean *b = (MonoBoolean*) mono_object_unbox (monOb);
>   if (*b) {
>   --> true
>   } else {
>   --> false
>   }
> } else {
>   // handle error condition
> }
>
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Re: [Mono-list] Mono.Simd - Phylosophical comments

2008-11-16 Thread Rodrigo Kumpera
Hi Etienne.


On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 2:38 PM, efortin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

>
> Hi All,
> I just decided to get involved more in Mono and all related tools. Was an
> hardcore .NET Framework (Windows) developer but now it seems time to let go
> and explore something else. And Mono is just what I need!
>
> Anyway, I was quite pleased to see the Mono.Simd experimental addition.
> It's
> about time someone in the CIL world put efforts in exploiting the power of
> the SIMD instruction sets on modern x86 CPU, even more because most of the
> processing power increase in these CPU comes from SSE and al.
>
> I have a couple of comments on Mono.Simd:
>
> 1) Why calling it something that ties it to the underlying technology used?
> Why not calling it Mono.Math.Advanced, or Mono.Math.Vectors, or
> Mono.Math.Matrix? It doesn't have a big impact and it's just a question of
> taste I guess, but I find that Mono.Simd relates too much to the
> implementation technology.


The idea is to expose the Single Instruction Multiple Data extensions of
modern cpus.
It's not specific to vector or matrix math as it can be used with
cryptography and image
processing with the same degree of success.


> 2) Would it be possible to use generic instead of "hardcoding" the types
> and
> sizes of vectors in each class? I don't know if it's possible, but there
> are
> probably ways to pre-instantiate templates like you do in C++, so you have
> each supported template specification ready, and/or design the native
> underlying module that actually does the transformation to SIMD
> instructions
> do it in hardware only for the supported types. This would make this
> library
> quite flexible I think.


Generics would pose some of very complicated problems to solve, such as
the default implementation (can't do math over generic arguments), and
confusion
with the users as to what would get accelerated or not. The second issue is
due to the
fact that not all operations are available for all element types and the
vector unit is 128 bits
long - so a Vector16 would not flight.



> 3) I would add more high level constructs like Matrix that make use of the
> SIMD hardware.
>

We first need to expose a rich and usable set of intrinsics to what SSE
currently has.
Once we do finish with that, we might look at exposing more high level
functionality.

On the other hand, such experimentation should happens outside of Mono.Simd
to be
more agile and not bound to mono's own release schedule.

I would love to see such extensions been build, but rather as a separate
library which
has way more flexibility in how it's developed - let's take the awesome
Mono.Rocks as
a fine example of that.


4) Maybe classes to help "vectorize" loops and other code construct would be
> good, since the runtime is not currently able to vectorize code itself. I
> still don't know how this could be done, but something like the "using"
> directive in C#, but using method calls and not extension to the language,
> could do the trick.
>

There are a lot of stuff to be explored here. One could do a vectorizing
extension
of LINQ to Objects, for example. Bytecode manipulation with CECIL is another
opportunity.
Or maybe something a lot simpler such a set of foundation classes to build
such algorithms
is enough. I don't know which solution could work or could be better than
the others, so
I'm open to help anyone trying any crazy idea over Mono.Simd.

Thanks for the feedback,
Rodrigo
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Re: [Mono-list] Olive/REST/WCF

2008-11-16 Thread Danny Waite

Hi Atsushi ,
 
Will moma pick up WCF projects? I guess not seen as the System.ServiceModel.Web 
code seems still to be in SVN.
 
Do you have any experience with REST?  If so, should WCF web services be 
workable in mono?
 
My goal is to create something like the following.
 
http://weblogs.asp.net/shijuvarghese/archive/2008/04/04/rest-and-wcf-3-5.aspx
 
Regards,
Danny> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:28:27 +0900> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 
mono-list@lists.ximian.com> Subject: Re: [Mono-list] Olive/REST/WCF> > There is 
"gui-compare" and "moma" when you are curious about> missing/not-supported 
functionality (google them for details).> > Atsushi Eno> > Danny Waite wrote:> 
> Excellent, thanks Atsushi,> > > > Are you able to comment on the parts that 
are not yet ready? Is it > > workable right now for basic functionality?> > > > 
Regards,> > Danny> > > > > Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:39:13 +0900> > > From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: mono-list@lists.ximian.com> > > Subject: Re: 
[Mono-list] Olive/REST/WCF> > >> > > Hi,> > >> > > The WCF core is incomplete, 
but System.ServiceModel.Web is almost> > > already done:> > > > > 
http://anonsvn.mono-project.com/viewvc/trunk/mcs/class/System.ServiceModel.Web/>
 > >> > > Atsushi Eno> > >> > >> > > Danny Waite wrote:> > > > Hi All,> > > >> 
> > > I'm looking at the possibility of using REST together with mono and > > 
wondering if anyone has any experience with this.> > > >> > > > .NET 3.5 
provides such functionality using System.ServiceModel.Web > > however I'm 
unsure if this functionality is implemented in Olive yet.> > > >> > > > I see 
there are a number of REST libraries around that might do the > > trick, but 
before I dive in I want to see if anyone else has been on > > this path.> > > 
>> > > > Any help/comments are appreciated.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > 
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Re: [Mono-list] Mono Boolean to C bool

2008-11-16 Thread Robert Jordan
Kevin Heeney wrote:
> I am using C to invoke Mono and it is working well.  A few weeks ago I 
> hit an issue where I was calling a few functions that returned a boolean 
> from Mono.  I changed those functions to return an integer ( I cast the 
> boolean to an int and did Math.Abs on that int in Mono) and just set the 
> returned int to a bool in C.  That worked fine, but now I am 
> re-evaluating and cleaning some things up.  What would be the best way 
> to take a MonoObject* referencing a Boolean and get a C bool out of it 
> (or a integer representing the value of that boolean).
> 
> I have a couple of ideas for ways to do this that I know would work, but 
> I have a feeling there is an easier way.
> 
> In other words, how can I get a C bool (or an int where false=0 and true 
> is anything else) out of the monOb in this code:
> 
> MonoMethodDesc *monoMethDesc2 =  mono_method_desc_new 
> (":callSomeMethodThatReturnsABoolean()",FALSE);
> MonoMethod *meth2= mono_method_desc_search_in_class 
> (monoMethDesc2, myMonoClass);
> MonoObject* monOb =  mono_runtime_invoke (meth2, 
> theObjectThatOwnsTheMethodThatReturnsABoolean, NULL, NULL);

You must unbox value types because mono_runtime_invoke is
always returning value types boxed as objects:

if (monObj) {
MonoBoolean *b = (MonoBoolean*) mono_object_unbox (monOb);
if (*b) {
--> true
} else {
--> false
}
} else {
// handle error condition
}

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Re: [Mono-list] Olive/REST/WCF

2008-11-16 Thread Atsushi Eno
There is "gui-compare" and "moma" when you are curious about
missing/not-supported functionality (google them for details).

Atsushi Eno

Danny Waite wrote:
>   Excellent, thanks Atsushi,
>  
> Are you able to comment on the parts that are not yet ready?  Is it 
> workable right now for basic functionality?
>  
> Regards,
> Danny
> 
>  > Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:39:13 +0900
>  > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  > To: mono-list@lists.ximian.com
>  > Subject: Re: [Mono-list] Olive/REST/WCF
>  >
>  > Hi,
>  >
>  > The WCF core is incomplete, but System.ServiceModel.Web is almost
>  > already done:
>  > 
> http://anonsvn.mono-project.com/viewvc/trunk/mcs/class/System.ServiceModel.Web/
>  >
>  > Atsushi Eno
>  >
>  >
>  > Danny Waite wrote:
>  > > Hi All,
>  > >
>  > > I'm looking at the possibility of using REST together with mono and 
> wondering if anyone has any experience with this.
>  > >
>  > > .NET 3.5 provides such functionality using System.ServiceModel.Web 
> however I'm unsure if this functionality is implemented in Olive yet.
>  > >
>  > > I see there are a number of REST libraries around that might do the 
> trick, but before I dive in I want to see if anyone else has been on 
> this path.
>  > >
>  > > Any help/comments are appreciated.
>  > >
>  > > Regards,
>  > > Danny
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Re: [Mono-list] Generic Linux installer for Mono 2.1 still missing (or just the files)

2008-11-16 Thread Jonathan Pobst
The generic linux installer has been discontinued.  It cannot correctly
predict where to put things on all version of linux, so people end up
with broken Mono installs.

Some more details are available in this post:
http://lists.ximian.com/pipermail/mono-list/2008-September/039581.html

You could grab the .rpm for opensuse and extract the files from it if 
you just want the binaries.

Jonathan

atesti wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> I'm quite frustrated: I use Debian (not the supported Suse or Redhat or
> Windows stuff) and don't want debian packaged Mono either. I want the most
> recent official version.
> 
> I used to grab the generic installer from 
> http://www.mono-project.com/Other_Downloads
> but it is still 1.9.1_2
> 
> Why has it not been updated?
> 
> I usually install it to /opt, tell it to leave my environment alone and then
> strip it manually down to 10mb which I need for my purpose.
> 
> I would really like to get hold of the official binaries (I don't want to
> compile it myself, that might introduce bugs from my libarries or other
> problems). 
> 
> I don't actually need the installer btw. Just a tgz file of the binary raw
> contents would be great.
> 
> If I go to the mono homepage and try to download something for Suse or
> redhat, that leads me nowhere! I just get told to use the buildin update
> managers, etc. BAH! No possibility of downloading one large RPM and just
> extracing it and using the good fine binaries directly. (for the windows
> version (one big isntaller) that woudl be easy)
> 
> And how would I be sure that I really get the most recent official 2.1
> release that way???
> 
> I'm pretty frustrated with the way the mono system "supports" the distros. I
> mean it's great that mono gets good integration into distros, but I would
> certainly prefer MUCH LESS integration.
> 
> Can anyone trigger the person who builds the generic Linux updater?
> 
> Why did it stop to be updated?

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Re: [Mono-list] Olive/REST/WCF

2008-11-16 Thread Danny Waite

Excellent, thanks Atsushi,
 
Are you able to comment on the parts that are not yet ready?  Is it workable 
right now for basic functionality?
 
Regards,
Danny> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:39:13 +0900> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 
mono-list@lists.ximian.com> Subject: Re: [Mono-list] Olive/REST/WCF> > Hi,> > 
The WCF core is incomplete, but System.ServiceModel.Web is almost> already 
done:> 
http://anonsvn.mono-project.com/viewvc/trunk/mcs/class/System.ServiceModel.Web/>
 > Atsushi Eno> > > Danny Waite wrote:> > Hi All,> > > > I'm looking at the 
possibility of using REST together with mono and wondering if anyone has any 
experience with this.> > > > .NET 3.5 provides such functionality using 
System.ServiceModel.Web however I'm unsure if this functionality is implemented 
in Olive yet.> > > > I see there are a number of REST libraries around that 
might do the trick, but before I dive in I want to see if anyone else has been 
on this path.> > > > Any help/comments are appreciated.> > > > Regards,> > 
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[Mono-list] Sync Framework on Mono

2008-11-16 Thread JoséFR

Hi, 
I'm interested to port de 
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/sync/bb821992.aspx Microsoft Sync Framework 
to mono. Recently, I've developer a 
http://sourceforge.net/projects/sqliteclientsyn/ Sqlite ClientSyncProvider 
for replace the SqlCE client sync provider.

I don't know the legal implications of do that.



Thanks in advance.-

José
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[Mono-list] Mono.Simd - Phylosophical comments

2008-11-16 Thread efortin

Hi All,
I just decided to get involved more in Mono and all related tools. Was an
hardcore .NET Framework (Windows) developer but now it seems time to let go
and explore something else. And Mono is just what I need!

Anyway, I was quite pleased to see the Mono.Simd experimental addition. It's
about time someone in the CIL world put efforts in exploiting the power of
the SIMD instruction sets on modern x86 CPU, even more because most of the
processing power increase in these CPU comes from SSE and al.

I have a couple of comments on Mono.Simd:

1) Why calling it something that ties it to the underlying technology used?
Why not calling it Mono.Math.Advanced, or Mono.Math.Vectors, or
Mono.Math.Matrix? It doesn't have a big impact and it's just a question of
taste I guess, but I find that Mono.Simd relates too much to the
implementation technology.

2) Would it be possible to use generic instead of "hardcoding" the types and
sizes of vectors in each class? I don't know if it's possible, but there are
probably ways to pre-instantiate templates like you do in C++, so you have
each supported template specification ready, and/or design the native
underlying module that actually does the transformation to SIMD instructions
do it in hardware only for the supported types. This would make this library
quite flexible I think. 

3) I would add more high level constructs like Matrix that make use of the
SIMD hardware.

4) Maybe classes to help "vectorize" loops and other code construct would be
good, since the runtime is not currently able to vectorize code itself. I
still don't know how this could be done, but something like the "using"
directive in C#, but using method calls and not extension to the language,
could do the trick.

That's it for now. Keep up the good work on Mono, we need it in the
marketplace!
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[Mono-list] Generic Linux installer for Mono 2.1 still missing (or just the files)

2008-11-16 Thread atesti

Hi!

I'm quite frustrated: I use Debian (not the supported Suse or Redhat or
Windows stuff) and don't want debian packaged Mono either. I want the most
recent official version.

I used to grab the generic installer from 
http://www.mono-project.com/Other_Downloads
but it is still 1.9.1_2

Why has it not been updated?

I usually install it to /opt, tell it to leave my environment alone and then
strip it manually down to 10mb which I need for my purpose.

I would really like to get hold of the official binaries (I don't want to
compile it myself, that might introduce bugs from my libarries or other
problems). 

I don't actually need the installer btw. Just a tgz file of the binary raw
contents would be great.

If I go to the mono homepage and try to download something for Suse or
redhat, that leads me nowhere! I just get told to use the buildin update
managers, etc. BAH! No possibility of downloading one large RPM and just
extracing it and using the good fine binaries directly. (for the windows
version (one big isntaller) that woudl be easy)

And how would I be sure that I really get the most recent official 2.1
release that way???

I'm pretty frustrated with the way the mono system "supports" the distros. I
mean it's great that mono gets good integration into distros, but I would
certainly prefer MUCH LESS integration.

Can anyone trigger the person who builds the generic Linux updater?

Why did it stop to be updated?
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