Re: [Mono-list] open sourcing all of Microsoft .net
I'm pretty sure it already is.. http://referencesource.microsoft.com/netframework.aspx On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 11:33 PM, nite n...@achren.org wrote: Has the case ever been made to Microsoft to open source all of .net? It's heading that way, now even the asp.net stack is open. Not much to lose, as it isn't part of their core business, and still not part of their core windows stack. Loads to gain, massive kudos from the dev community and the chance to win back the hoards of devs jaded by Microsoft for various reasons. Has anyone from the mono camp ever tried lobbying them, or aware of any efforts? What was the response? -- View this message in context: http://mono.1490590.n4.nabble.com/open-sourcing-all-of-Microsoft-net-tp4660784.html Sent from the Mono - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] open sourcing all of Microsoft .net
Ah so it's more of a license issue than releasing the source issue. Yea, I seriously doubt that will ever happen. But who knows.. On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Andrew Clancy n...@achren.org wrote: That's not open source, that's readable source, you can't fork it or use it, nor merge it with mono have an official .net framework for linux etc. My thoughts are, if we did have this there'd be more appetite/scope to implement in .net in corporates and environments where linux and/or java rule. Where I work mono isn't an option as there's no other companies of our size using it to the scale we use java, but if a Microsoft backed .net made it to linux it may be an option (and I'm sure if ms open sourced it mono would do most of the work to merge, ms would just need to stamp approval) On 6 Sep 2013 18:10, Mike Christensen m...@kitchenpc.com wrote: I'm pretty sure it already is.. http://referencesource.microsoft.com/netframework.aspx On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 11:33 PM, nite n...@achren.org wrote: Has the case ever been made to Microsoft to open source all of .net? It's heading that way, now even the asp.net stack is open. Not much to lose, as it isn't part of their core business, and still not part of their core windows stack. Loads to gain, massive kudos from the dev community and the chance to win back the hoards of devs jaded by Microsoft for various reasons. Has anyone from the mono camp ever tried lobbying them, or aware of any efforts? What was the response? -- View this message in context: http://mono.1490590.n4.nabble.com/open-sourcing-all-of-Microsoft-net-tp4660784.html Sent from the Mono - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] java parser in C#
For it to really be useful, you'd have to make the runtime run compiled Java code as well. Otherwise, you'd have to re-write all the libraries.. Honestly, I'd rather just write in C#. It's a way better language. On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 11:33 AM, mutasim d_muta...@hotmail.com wrote: Good Day i think mono C# compiler can handle the java source excution as the parser of java is not different from C# just few syntaxes will be modify, as there alot of programmers using java for there development , and add java to the .net platform will return the J# to the developers -- View this message in context: http://mono.1490590.n4.nabble.com/java-parser-in-C-tp4659251.html Sent from the Mono - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] java parser in C#
For it to really be useful, you'd have to make the runtime run compiled Java code as well. Otherwise, you'd have to re-write all the libraries.. Honestly, I'd rather just write in C#. It's a way better language. On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 11:33 AM, mutasim d_muta...@hotmail.com wrote: Good Day i think mono C# compiler can handle the java source excution as the parser of java is not different from C# just few syntaxes will be modify, as there alot of programmers using java for there development , and add java to the .net platform will return the J# to the developers -- View this message in context: http://mono.1490590.n4.nabble.com/java-parser-in-C-tp4659251.html Sent from the Mono - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Oracle Managed Data Provider (ODP.NET)
Wonder if the DevArt drivers run on Mono.. On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Daniel Morgan monodanm...@yahoo.comwrote: Hey Paco. Long time no see. I added the feature requests for mono and a fully managed odp.net driver. The fully managed driver isn't so fully managed after all. There are DllImports to kernel32.dll. But still, i tried running it on mono on windows, and it still failed. Some globaliztion Functionality missing in mono maybe. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 22, 2012, at 9:32 AM, Francisco T. Martinez mart...@mfconsulting.com wrote: I received some email from Oracle trumpeting their new Beta Oracle Managed Data Provider!http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/database/windows/downloads/odpmbeta-1696432.html?msgid=3-7320699120txtIt took little time to realize that this new driver does not seem to work with Mono. Well, there might be a forum to petition for a solution to the above: Feature request (Support ODP.NET on Mono)https://apex.oracle.com/pls/apex/f?p=18357:39:9334166577265::NO::P39_ID:26141awaiting community votes (Note: the link above may require you to login to the Oracle Technology Network (OTN) but it is a free membership) When I voted, there were only 51 entries. Really? Come on fellow Monos, give it your ALL and upvote this feature request so that everyone can see just how much interest there is in the Mono project. Thank you in advance for your participation... This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] XBuild question removing directories
Ah excellent, it's not a deal-breaker right now so I'll just wait
until the next version..
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 10:33 PM, Jonathan Pobst mon...@jpobst.com wrote:
The good news is this has been fixed:
https://github.com/mono/mono/commit/7c4e3654cb758d2f8543a4d8b0b4d5b25af780c3
The bad news is that probably doesn't help you.
I was writing my own tasks, so I just included the updated source code in my
assembly and called it RemoveDirFixed. Not sure if you have the same
luxury.
Jonathan
On 12/22/2011 12:20 AM, Mike Christensen wrote:
I have the following target:
Target Name=Clean
RemoveDir Directories=$(BuildDir) Condition= Exists('$(BuildDir)')
/
RemoveDir Directories=Imp/bin Condition= Exists('Imp/bin') /
RemoveDir Directories=Imp/obj Condition= Exists('Imp/obj') /
RemoveDir Directories=Modeler/bin Condition= Exists('Modeler/bin')
/
RemoveDir Directories=Modeler/obj Condition= Exists('Modeler/obj')
/
RemoveDir Directories=Queue/bin Condition= Exists('Queue/bin')
/
RemoveDir Directories=Queue/obj Condition= Exists('Queue/obj')
/
RemoveDir Directories=WebSite/bin Condition= Exists('WebSite/bin')
/
RemoveDir Directories=WebSite/obj Condition= Exists('WebSite/obj')
/
/Target
When I run it I get:
~/KitchenPC ./clean
XBuild Engine Version 2.10.6.0
Mono, Version 2.10.6.0
Copyright (C) Marek Sieradzki 2005-2008, Novell 2008-2011.
/Users/mike/kitchenpc/build.xml: error : Directory
/Users/mike/KitchenPC/Build is not empty at
System.IO.Directory.Delete (System.String path) [0x0] infilename
unknown:0
at Microsoft.Build.Tasks.RemoveDir.Execute () [0x0] infilename
unknown:0
/Users/mike/kitchenpc/build.xml: error : Directory
/Users/mike/KitchenPC/Imp/bin is not empty at
System.IO.Directory.Delete (System.String path) [0x0] infilename
unknown:0
at Microsoft.Build.Tasks.RemoveDir.Execute () [0x0] infilename
unknown:0
/Users/mike/kitchenpc/build.xml: error : Directory
/Users/mike/KitchenPC/Imp/obj is not empty at
System.IO.Directory.Delete (System.String path) [0x0] infilename
unknown:0
at Microsoft.Build.Tasks.RemoveDir.Execute () [0x0] infilename
unknown:0
/Users/mike/kitchenpc/build.xml: error : Directory
/Users/mike/KitchenPC/Modeler/obj is not empty at
System.IO.Directory.Delete (System.String path) [0x0] infilename
unknown:0
at Microsoft.Build.Tasks.RemoveDir.Execute () [0x0] infilename
unknown:0
/Users/mike/kitchenpc/build.xml: error : Directory
/Users/mike/KitchenPC/Queue/bin is not empty at
System.IO.Directory.Delete (System.String path) [0x0] infilename
unknown:0
at Microsoft.Build.Tasks.RemoveDir.Execute () [0x0] infilename
unknown:0
/Users/mike/kitchenpc/build.xml: error : Directory
/Users/mike/KitchenPC/Queue/obj is not empty at
System.IO.Directory.Delete (System.String path) [0x0] infilename
unknown:0
at Microsoft.Build.Tasks.RemoveDir.Execute () [0x0] infilename
unknown:0
/Users/mike/kitchenpc/build.xml: error : Directory
/Users/mike/KitchenPC/WebSite/obj is not empty at
System.IO.Directory.Delete (System.String path) [0x0] infilename
unknown:0
at Microsoft.Build.Tasks.RemoveDir.Execute () [0x0] infilename
unknown:0
~/KitchenPC
On MSBuild, this works fine. Is there a way to make it remove these
directories without an error? I suppose I could Exec a rm -R -f but
I'd rather something that was cross-platform. Thanks!
Mike
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[Mono-list] XBuild question removing directories
I have the following target:
Target Name=Clean
RemoveDir Directories=$(BuildDir) Condition= Exists('$(BuildDir)') /
RemoveDir Directories=Imp/bin Condition= Exists('Imp/bin') /
RemoveDir Directories=Imp/obj Condition= Exists('Imp/obj') /
RemoveDir Directories=Modeler/bin Condition= Exists('Modeler/bin') /
RemoveDir Directories=Modeler/obj Condition= Exists('Modeler/obj') /
RemoveDir Directories=Queue/bin Condition= Exists('Queue/bin') /
RemoveDir Directories=Queue/obj Condition= Exists('Queue/obj') /
RemoveDir Directories=WebSite/bin Condition= Exists('WebSite/bin') /
RemoveDir Directories=WebSite/obj Condition= Exists('WebSite/obj') /
/Target
When I run it I get:
~/KitchenPC ./clean
XBuild Engine Version 2.10.6.0
Mono, Version 2.10.6.0
Copyright (C) Marek Sieradzki 2005-2008, Novell 2008-2011.
/Users/mike/kitchenpc/build.xml: error : Directory
/Users/mike/KitchenPC/Build is not empty at
System.IO.Directory.Delete (System.String path) [0x0] in filename
unknown:0
at Microsoft.Build.Tasks.RemoveDir.Execute () [0x0] in filename
unknown:0
/Users/mike/kitchenpc/build.xml: error : Directory
/Users/mike/KitchenPC/Imp/bin is not empty at
System.IO.Directory.Delete (System.String path) [0x0] in filename
unknown:0
at Microsoft.Build.Tasks.RemoveDir.Execute () [0x0] in filename
unknown:0
/Users/mike/kitchenpc/build.xml: error : Directory
/Users/mike/KitchenPC/Imp/obj is not empty at
System.IO.Directory.Delete (System.String path) [0x0] in filename
unknown:0
at Microsoft.Build.Tasks.RemoveDir.Execute () [0x0] in filename
unknown:0
/Users/mike/kitchenpc/build.xml: error : Directory
/Users/mike/KitchenPC/Modeler/obj is not empty at
System.IO.Directory.Delete (System.String path) [0x0] in filename
unknown:0
at Microsoft.Build.Tasks.RemoveDir.Execute () [0x0] in filename
unknown:0
/Users/mike/kitchenpc/build.xml: error : Directory
/Users/mike/KitchenPC/Queue/bin is not empty at
System.IO.Directory.Delete (System.String path) [0x0] in filename
unknown:0
at Microsoft.Build.Tasks.RemoveDir.Execute () [0x0] in filename
unknown:0
/Users/mike/kitchenpc/build.xml: error : Directory
/Users/mike/KitchenPC/Queue/obj is not empty at
System.IO.Directory.Delete (System.String path) [0x0] in filename
unknown:0
at Microsoft.Build.Tasks.RemoveDir.Execute () [0x0] in filename
unknown:0
/Users/mike/kitchenpc/build.xml: error : Directory
/Users/mike/KitchenPC/WebSite/obj is not empty at
System.IO.Directory.Delete (System.String path) [0x0] in filename
unknown:0
at Microsoft.Build.Tasks.RemoveDir.Execute () [0x0] in filename
unknown:0
~/KitchenPC
On MSBuild, this works fine. Is there a way to make it remove these
directories without an error? I suppose I could Exec a rm -R -f but
I'd rather something that was cross-platform. Thanks!
Mike
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Re: [Mono-list] Is OS/X case-sensitive?
Thanks! I'm pretty sure I'm running the latest version.. I'll verify, and log a bug.. On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 2:12 AM, Alan alan.mcgov...@gmail.com wrote: xbuild is a separate program and will not be affected by any changes in MD. If it's not doing case changes properly then it'd be worth filing a bug against it. Alan On 20 December 2011 05:34, Abe Gillespie abe.gilles...@gmail.com wrote: http://monodevelop.com/Download/Release_Notes/Release_Notes_for_MonoDevelop_2.8.5, fourth bullet item. On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 9:39 PM, Mike Christensen m...@kitchenpc.com wrote: It seems to me that in recent builds of Mono, the XSP webserver is now case-insensitive on OS/X - which I believe is by design since this file system (by default) is case insensitive. However, XBuild still seems to be case-sensitive on OS/X. Will this be changed as well? Thanks! Mike ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
[Mono-list] Is OS/X case-sensitive?
It seems to me that in recent builds of Mono, the XSP webserver is now case-insensitive on OS/X - which I believe is by design since this file system (by default) is case insensitive. However, XBuild still seems to be case-sensitive on OS/X. Will this be changed as well? Thanks! Mike ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-aspnet-list] Support for C#.NET Web Projects rather than only Web Applications?
Hello, I spent a good and enjoyable portion of the morning converting a 6 project solution from VS.NET 2010 to MonoDevelop. Made the changes necessary to get everything to compile, except... My web sites are what VS and MS refer to as Web Sites, they are not Web Applications with designer files and they do not compile to a DLL. It is simply too impractical for these sites, and although I love MonoDevelop it too big a sacrifice to convert everything over to web applications. So, is there any way to keep the Web Site structure intact, to have new files not auto-generate designer tools, to avoid the CS0103 errors when I declare a control in the .aspx file and reference it in code-behind? Any assistance would elate me beyond what words could describe :) Chris I think a very good first step would be to at least be able to open Visual Studio .sln files with web sites, or at least the ability to convert such a solution over to a full MonoDevelop project. I'm running into the same boat, and would be interested in knowing the suggested workarounds right now. Mike ___ Mono-aspnet-list mailing list Mono-aspnet-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-aspnet-list
Re: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 2.8 released
Decided to give it a shot on Windows... I have some bugs to file, can you guys add 2.8 to the versions list on enter_bug.cgi? On Oct 5, 2011 10:18 AM, Dale E. Moore daleemo...@gmail.com wrote: I'm pretty sure these folks are faster than the speed of light, so 2.6 will be coming out in about 5 minutes. On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Mike Christensen m...@kitchenpc.com wrote: Wow! Didn't 2.6 just come out like an hour ago? On Oct 5, 2011 10:04 AM, Lluis Sanchez Gual slluis.de...@gmail.com wrote: The MonoDevelop team is proud to announce the release of MonoDevelop 2.8. MonoDevelop is an IDE primarily designed for C# and other .NET languages. MonoDevelop enables developers to quickly write desktop and ASP.NET Web applications on Linux, Windows and Mac OSX. MonoDevelop makes it easy for developers to port .NET applications created with Visual Studio to Linux and Mac OS maintaining a single code base for all platforms. The official announcement is available here: http://monodevelop.com/Download/Release_Notes/Release_Notes_for_MonoDevelop_2.8 A detailed description of the features included in this release is available here: http://monodevelop.com/Download/What's_new_in_MonoDevelop_2.8 Many thanks to everybody that made possible this release. Enjoy! The MonoDevelop Team. ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-aspnet-list] Code Problem
I kinda think your code doesn't work because nothing is yet initialized in the page constructor. There's no Request object, and probably the event hashtable hasn't been initialized. Does anything actually go on in Page::Page()? On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 5:04 AM, mostafaxx mostafa_alshr...@yahoo.com wrote: nedry wrote: a nested class inside the actual page class, and that nested class is never used well it worked, but my code is straight, i’ve only defined one class called index.. nedry wrote: It's been a while since I've done any .aspx well what do you do any way ?? -- View this message in context: http://mono.1490590.n4.nabble.com/Code-Problem-tp3839138p3841168.html Sent from the Mono - ASP.NET mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Mono-aspnet-list mailing list Mono-aspnet-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-aspnet-list ___ Mono-aspnet-list mailing list Mono-aspnet-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-aspnet-list
Re: [Mono-list] follow up question about tools used: source code control?
We use Github at Adzerk to host our source code control. What are people using out there? If you are using Visual Studio, are you also using the Team system? I'm using Subversion, which runs on a Linux server. I use Visual Studio for development, and I also have an enlistment on a Linux box where I do some Python development. My site is www.kitchenpc.com (doesn't run on Mono /yet/, but I'm hoping within the next couple releases!) ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] [MonoDevelop] MonoDevelop 2.6 released
The MonoDevelop team is proud to announce the release of MonoDevelop 2.6. MonoDevelop is an IDE primarily designed for C# and other .NET languages. MonoDevelop enables developers to quickly write desktop and ASP.NET Web applications on Linux, Windows and Mac OSX. MonoDevelop makes it easy for developers to port .NET applications created with Visual Studio to Linux and Mac OS maintaining a single code base for all platforms. The official announcement is available here: http://monodevelop.com/Download/Release_Notes/Release_Notes_for_MonoDevelop_2.6 A detailed description of the features included in this release is available here: http://monodevelop.com/Download/What's_new_in_MonoDevelop_2.6 Many thanks to everybody that made possible this release. Enjoy! The MonoDevelop Team. ___ Monodevelop-list mailing list monodevelop-l...@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/monodevelop-list Any ETA on an opensuse 11.4 package? ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Works on Windows, TypeLoadException on OS X ?
Is the file called disco.dll? Note this is case sensitive on non-Windows platforms, so it will not find Disco.dll. On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Charles Rich r...@wpi.edu wrote: When I execute mono disco.exe (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12370141/disco.exe) on both Windows 7 and OS X 10.6.8 with Mono 2.6.7 installed, it works fine on Windows (prints out a prompt line) but on OS X I get the following error message: Could not load signature of edu.wpi.cetask.TaskEngine:put due to: Exception in thread main cli.System.TypeLoadException: Could not load type 'edu.wpi.disco.Disco' from assembly 'disco, Version=0.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=null'. at Module.main(Module.java) Note that this file was created from Java using ikvmc and that edu.wpi.disco.Disco happens to be the main class and extends edu.wpi.cetaks.TaskEngine. I tried looking at monodis of disco.exe, but there was too much data for me to figure out. Thanks in advance, -Chuck -- Dr. Charles Rich, Professor of Computer Science Interactive Media and Game Development Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Fuller Laboratories B25b 100 Institute Road, Worcester, MA 01609-2280 Email: r...@wpi.edu Phone: 508-831-5945 Fax: 508-831-5776 Home: http://www.cs.wpi.edu/~rich ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Porting MSBuild script to XBuild with ItemGroup
This won't work because I include items that are not yet created until after the target runs.. In other words, if I say: Project ItemGroup Include=Foo*.* / ... Then this ItemGroup gets populated before the Target runs. If Target then goes and creates Foo1.txt and Foo2.txt, those items won't get included in the ItemGroup since they didn't exist when it was evaluated. That's why I need to have this ItemGroup within the Target. When will this bug be fixed? It seems hugely important to support this. Mike On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 7:54 PM, Jonathan Pobst mon...@jpobst.com wrote: You need to use the old way of doing thing, the CreateItem task. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/s2y3e43x.aspx Jonathan On 8/3/2011 8:29 PM, Mike Christensen wrote: What's the best way to port this code over: Target Name=Build ** Bunch of stuff here ** !-- Crunch Files -- ItemGroup ToCrunch Include=$(BuildDir)/WWW/Scripts/kpc*.js;$(BuildDir)/WWW/Styles/*.css / /ItemGroup Message Importance=High Text=Crunching Script Files... / Exec WorkingDirectory=Crunch Command=java -jar yuicompressor-2.4.2.jar %(ToCrunch.Fullpath) -o %(ToCrunch.Fullpath) --charset utf-8 / /Target If I run this, I get the error: : error : Error initializing task ItemGroup: Not registered task ItemGroup. Which I believe is a known limitation in XBuild. However, if I move the ItemGroup outside the project, the set of files is empty because those files have not been build yet. Thanks! Mike ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Porting MSBuild script to XBuild with ItemGroup
Oh I think I misread your email.. Looks like the CreateItem task can actually add things to an existing ItemGroup within a Target? If that's the case, that'll probably fix my issue.. Can we bump the priority up on this bug though? It looks pretty old.. I'm still trying to get a Mono enlistment setup, but maybe I can help out when I'm running. xbuild seems like a great project to contribute to. Mike On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 12:51 AM, Mike Christensen m...@kitchenpc.com wrote: This won't work because I include items that are not yet created until after the target runs.. In other words, if I say: Project ItemGroup Include=Foo*.* / ... Then this ItemGroup gets populated before the Target runs. If Target then goes and creates Foo1.txt and Foo2.txt, those items won't get included in the ItemGroup since they didn't exist when it was evaluated. That's why I need to have this ItemGroup within the Target. When will this bug be fixed? It seems hugely important to support this. Mike On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 7:54 PM, Jonathan Pobst mon...@jpobst.com wrote: You need to use the old way of doing thing, the CreateItem task. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/s2y3e43x.aspx Jonathan On 8/3/2011 8:29 PM, Mike Christensen wrote: What's the best way to port this code over: Target Name=Build ** Bunch of stuff here ** !-- Crunch Files -- ItemGroup ToCrunch Include=$(BuildDir)/WWW/Scripts/kpc*.js;$(BuildDir)/WWW/Styles/*.css / /ItemGroup Message Importance=High Text=Crunching Script Files... / Exec WorkingDirectory=Crunch Command=java -jar yuicompressor-2.4.2.jar %(ToCrunch.Fullpath) -o %(ToCrunch.Fullpath) --charset utf-8 / /Target If I run this, I get the error: : error : Error initializing task ItemGroup: Not registered task ItemGroup. Which I believe is a known limitation in XBuild. However, if I move the ItemGroup outside the project, the set of files is empty because those files have not been build yet. Thanks! Mike ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] RemoveDir - XBuild vs MSBuild
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=710234
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=710238
These bugs will still get a home with Novell no longer in the picture, correct?
Mike
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Mike Christensen m...@kitchenpc.com wrote:
I'll get this filed right away, thanks!
I found another bug which I'll also log:
This works on MSBuild:
RemoveDir Directories=$(BuildDir) Condition= Exists( $(BuildDir) ) /
But causes a parsing error on xbuild. It works if you put in the
value rather than the property.
Thanks!
Mike
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Jonathan Chambers jonc...@gmail.com wrote:
Mike,
This seems to be a bug. Please file this, and as a workaround try adding a
Condition attribute with an Exists check:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/7szfhaft.aspx
Something like:
RemoveDir Condition=Exists('Imp/bin') Directories=Imp/bin /
Thanks,
Jonathan
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Mike Christensen m...@kitchenpc.com wrote:
I'm trying to port an MSBuild script to XBuild and running into the
following issue:
RemoveDir Directories=Imp/bin /
This crashes and stops building if Imp/bin does not exist. On
MSBuild, it will just do nothing and ignore the command.
Is this a bug? Is there any way I can say delete the directory if it
exists?
Thanks!
Mike
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Re: [Mono-list] Porting MSBuild script to XBuild with ItemGroup
(For thread archive purposes since I hate finding a thread on Google with my exact same problem and no one ever bothered to post the solution) Here's the XBuild compatible way of doing what I had below: CreateItem Include=$(BuildDir)/WWW/Scripts/kpc*.js;$(BuildDir)/WWW/Styles/*.css Output TaskParameter=Include ItemName=ToCrunch / /CreateItem Mike On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 7:54 PM, Jonathan Pobst mon...@jpobst.com wrote: You need to use the old way of doing thing, the CreateItem task. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/s2y3e43x.aspx Jonathan On 8/3/2011 8:29 PM, Mike Christensen wrote: What's the best way to port this code over: Target Name=Build ** Bunch of stuff here ** !-- Crunch Files -- ItemGroup ToCrunch Include=$(BuildDir)/WWW/Scripts/kpc*.js;$(BuildDir)/WWW/Styles/*.css / /ItemGroup Message Importance=High Text=Crunching Script Files... / Exec WorkingDirectory=Crunch Command=java -jar yuicompressor-2.4.2.jar %(ToCrunch.Fullpath) -o %(ToCrunch.Fullpath) --charset utf-8 / /Target If I run this, I get the error: : error : Error initializing task ItemGroup: Not registered task ItemGroup. Which I believe is a known limitation in XBuild. However, if I move the ItemGroup outside the project, the set of files is empty because those files have not been build yet. Thanks! Mike ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
[Mono-list] Dictionary key'ed by Decimal works differently between Mono and .NET
I'm trying to get my unit tests to pass so I can try out my code on Mono, however I ran into some different behavior using the Dictionary class. I've written a stand-alone test case to illustrate the problem. http://pastie.org/2318806 The code will print out True on .NET and False on Mono. I believe this is because I add the key as 0.5m to the dictionary, but I try to look it up with 0.500m. .NET will see these values as equal, Mono will not. Technically the numbers are equal, though they have different levels of precision. However, I'm of the opinion that Mono should emulate .NET where-ever possible. Mike ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
[Mono-list] RemoveDir - XBuild vs MSBuild
I'm trying to port an MSBuild script to XBuild and running into the following issue: RemoveDir Directories=Imp/bin / This crashes and stops building if Imp/bin does not exist. On MSBuild, it will just do nothing and ignore the command. Is this a bug? Is there any way I can say delete the directory if it exists? Thanks! Mike ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
[Mono-list] Porting MSBuild script to XBuild with ItemGroup
What's the best way to port this code over: Target Name=Build ** Bunch of stuff here ** !-- Crunch Files -- ItemGroup ToCrunch Include=$(BuildDir)/WWW/Scripts/kpc*.js;$(BuildDir)/WWW/Styles/*.css / /ItemGroup Message Importance=High Text=Crunching Script Files... / Exec WorkingDirectory=Crunch Command=java -jar yuicompressor-2.4.2.jar %(ToCrunch.Fullpath) -o %(ToCrunch.Fullpath) --charset utf-8 / /Target If I run this, I get the error: : error : Error initializing task ItemGroup: Not registered task ItemGroup. Which I believe is a known limitation in XBuild. However, if I move the ItemGroup outside the project, the set of files is empty because those files have not been build yet. Thanks! Mike ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] RemoveDir - XBuild vs MSBuild
I'll get this filed right away, thanks!
I found another bug which I'll also log:
This works on MSBuild:
RemoveDir Directories=$(BuildDir) Condition= Exists( $(BuildDir) ) /
But causes a parsing error on xbuild. It works if you put in the
value rather than the property.
Thanks!
Mike
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Jonathan Chambers jonc...@gmail.com wrote:
Mike,
This seems to be a bug. Please file this, and as a workaround try adding a
Condition attribute with an Exists check:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/7szfhaft.aspx
Something like:
RemoveDir Condition=Exists('Imp/bin') Directories=Imp/bin /
Thanks,
Jonathan
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Mike Christensen m...@kitchenpc.com wrote:
I'm trying to port an MSBuild script to XBuild and running into the
following issue:
RemoveDir Directories=Imp/bin /
This crashes and stops building if Imp/bin does not exist. On
MSBuild, it will just do nothing and ignore the command.
Is this a bug? Is there any way I can say delete the directory if it
exists?
Thanks!
Mike
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[Mono-list] Running Monodevelop on KDE?
Is there anything special you have to do to get Monodevelop to run on KDE on openSUSE? The default seems to be GNOME support, but I couldn't find any documentation on any command line parameters or build options related to KDE.. Thanks! Mike ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Running Monodevelop on KDE?
Basically here's what I get with ./configure - I'm running KDE, so I just want to make sure I don't have to change some config option for this.. Configuration summary * Installation prefix = /usr/local * C# compiler = /usr/local/bin/dmcs * Mono class library development extensions: yes * Version control providers: * Subversion (Unix): yes * Git: yes * Platform bindings: GNOME * Unit tests: no Now type `make' to compile MonoDevelop Configuration Summary - MonoDevelop has been configured with prefix = /usr/local profile = default Packages included in the build: main On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Mike Christensen m...@kitchenpc.com wrote: Is there anything special you have to do to get Monodevelop to run on KDE on openSUSE? The default seems to be GNOME support, but I couldn't find any documentation on any command line parameters or build options related to KDE.. Thanks! Mike ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Running Monodevelop on KDE?
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Bojan Rajkovic bo...@canesystems.comwrote: On Aug 1, 2011, at 8:12 PM, Mike Christensen wrote: Basically here's what I get with ./configure - I'm running KDE, so I just want to make sure I don't have to change some config option for this.. Configuration summary * Installation prefix = /usr/local * C# compiler = /usr/local/bin/dmcs * Mono class library development extensions: yes * Version control providers: * Subversion (Unix): yes * Git: yes * Platform bindings: GNOME * Unit tests: no Now type `make' to compile MonoDevelop Configuration Summary - MonoDevelop has been configured with prefix = /usr/local profile = default Packages included in the build: main On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Mike Christensen m...@kitchenpc.comwrote: Is there anything special you have to do to get Monodevelop to run on KDE on openSUSE? The default seems to be GNOME support, but I couldn't find any documentation on any command line parameters or build options related to KDE.. Thanks! Mike ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list Hi Mike, There are no KDE platform bindings—if you want to contribute some, I think they'd be welcomed. Until then, MonoDevelop will use the GNOME platform bindings if/when available, even on KDE systems. Once I get it to run, I can contribute whatever you need. However, after doing a make and a make run, I get the following error: cd main make run make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mike/mono/monodevelop/main' PATH=/home/mike/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/games:/usr/lib64/jvm/jre/bin PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/home/mike/mono/monodevelop/local-config:/usr/local/lib/pkgconfig:/usr/local/share/pkgconfig: LD_LIBRARY_PATH= DYLD_FALLBACK_LIBRARY_PATH= MONO_GAC_PREFIX=/usr/local: MONODEVELOP_LOCALE_PATH=/home/mike/mono/monodevelop/main/build/locale MONO_ADDINS_REGISTRY=/home/mike/mono/monodevelop/main/build/bin UBUNTU_MENUPROXY=0 exec -a monodevelop /usr/local/bin/mono --debug /home/mike/mono/monodevelop/main/build/bin/MonoDevelop.exe Unhandled Exception: System.TypeLoadException: A type load exception has occurred. [ERROR] FATAL UNHANDLED EXCEPTION: System.TypeLoadException: A type load exception has occurred. make[1]: *** [runmd] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mike/mono/monodevelop/main' make: *** [run] Error 2 I think this has something to do with GDK or the GDK# wrappers.. I installed these things from the openSUSE repositories, as I couldn't find where to build them. Mike ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Running Monodevelop on KDE?
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Mike Christensen m...@kitchenpc.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Bojan Rajkovic bo...@canesystems.comwrote: On Aug 1, 2011, at 8:12 PM, Mike Christensen wrote: Basically here's what I get with ./configure - I'm running KDE, so I just want to make sure I don't have to change some config option for this.. Configuration summary * Installation prefix = /usr/local * C# compiler = /usr/local/bin/dmcs * Mono class library development extensions: yes * Version control providers: * Subversion (Unix): yes * Git: yes * Platform bindings: GNOME * Unit tests: no Now type `make' to compile MonoDevelop Configuration Summary - MonoDevelop has been configured with prefix = /usr/local profile = default Packages included in the build: main On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Mike Christensen m...@kitchenpc.comwrote: Is there anything special you have to do to get Monodevelop to run on KDE on openSUSE? The default seems to be GNOME support, but I couldn't find any documentation on any command line parameters or build options related to KDE.. Thanks! Mike ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list Hi Mike, There are no KDE platform bindings—if you want to contribute some, I think they'd be welcomed. Until then, MonoDevelop will use the GNOME platform bindings if/when available, even on KDE systems. Once I get it to run, I can contribute whatever you need. However, after doing a make and a make run, I get the following error: cd main make run make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mike/mono/monodevelop/main' PATH=/home/mike/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/games:/usr/lib64/jvm/jre/bin PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/home/mike/mono/monodevelop/local-config:/usr/local/lib/pkgconfig:/usr/local/share/pkgconfig: LD_LIBRARY_PATH= DYLD_FALLBACK_LIBRARY_PATH= MONO_GAC_PREFIX=/usr/local: MONODEVELOP_LOCALE_PATH=/home/mike/mono/monodevelop/main/build/locale MONO_ADDINS_REGISTRY=/home/mike/mono/monodevelop/main/build/bin UBUNTU_MENUPROXY=0 exec -a monodevelop /usr/local/bin/mono --debug /home/mike/mono/monodevelop/main/build/bin/MonoDevelop.exe Unhandled Exception: System.TypeLoadException: A type load exception has occurred. [ERROR] FATAL UNHANDLED EXCEPTION: System.TypeLoadException: A type load exception has occurred. make[1]: *** [runmd] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mike/mono/monodevelop/main' make: *** [run] Error 2 I think this has something to do with GDK or the GDK# wrappers.. I installed these things from the openSUSE repositories, as I couldn't find where to build them. Mike BTW, here's the things I'm enlisted in: mike@dev:~/mono ls gtk-sharp libgdiplus mcs mono mono-addins monodevelop I did a ./configure and make and make install on each, the other things it was griping about I installed from the latest repos.. I'm guessing some version is out of sync.. ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Do you need to have Mono installed before you can build it?
I'm getting the error: make[6]: Entering directory `/home/mike/mono/mcs' make[6]: gmcs: Command not found make[6]: *** [build/deps/basic-profile-check.exe] Error 127 make[6]: Leaving directory `/home/mike/mono/mcs' *** The compiler 'gmcs' doesn't appear to be usable. *** You need Mono version 2.4 or better installed to build MCS *** Read INSTALL.txt for information on how to bootstrap a Mono installation. make[5]: *** [do-profile-check] Error 1 The docs at: http://mono-project.com/Compiling_Mono_From_Git#Checking_out_for_the_first_time Seem to hint I need the Mono compiler installed before I can build Mono.. What's the most straight forward way to do this on OpenSuSE 11.4? I do have gmsc.exe on another machine (version 2.6) - Can I just copy that somewhere and set EXTERNAL_MCS? Thanks! Ok I tried the make get-monolite-latest thing, and it seems to have built and the unit tests are passing.. haven't done a make install yet.. Is there a reason why the build script can't just build gmcs and then run it? I assume if this were easy it would work that way already though :) Mike ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
[Mono-list] Do you need to have Mono installed before you can build it?
I'm getting the error: make[6]: Entering directory `/home/mike/mono/mcs' make[6]: gmcs: Command not found make[6]: *** [build/deps/basic-profile-check.exe] Error 127 make[6]: Leaving directory `/home/mike/mono/mcs' *** The compiler 'gmcs' doesn't appear to be usable. *** You need Mono version 2.4 or better installed to build MCS *** Read INSTALL.txt for information on how to bootstrap a Mono installation. make[5]: *** [do-profile-check] Error 1 The docs at: http://mono-project.com/Compiling_Mono_From_Git#Checking_out_for_the_first_time Seem to hint I need the Mono compiler installed before I can build Mono.. What's the most straight forward way to do this on OpenSuSE 11.4? I do have gmsc.exe on another machine (version 2.6) - Can I just copy that somewhere and set EXTERNAL_MCS? Thanks! Mike ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
[Mono-list] MonoTouch/MonoDroid now licensed by Xamarin?
http://blog.xamarin.com/2011/07/18/first-press-release/ So will Xamarin take over further development of MonoTouch and MonoDroid? Are they licensing the code from AttachMate, or did they essentially take ownership of this code base? Does that mean they'll no longer be working on their own release? Does this also mean people who bought MonoTouch from Novell will continue to get support and upgrades from Xamarin? Thanks! Mike ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] MonoTouch/MonoDroid now licensed by Xamarin?
Excellent! This was the exact outcome I was hoping for.. On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Stifu st...@free.fr wrote: Yes. Taking ownership. Yes (although they'll merge some work they did). Yes. See: http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2011/Jul-18.html Mike Christensen-2 wrote: http://blog.xamarin.com/2011/07/18/first-press-release/ So will Xamarin take over further development of MonoTouch and MonoDroid? Are they licensing the code from AttachMate, or did they essentially take ownership of this code base? Does that mean they'll no longer be working on their own release? Does this also mean people who bought MonoTouch from Novell will continue to get support and upgrades from Xamarin? Thanks! Mike ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list -- View this message in context: http://mono.1490590.n4.nabble.com/MonoTouch-MonoDroid-now-licensed-by-Xamarin-tp3682026p3682034.html Sent from the Mono - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] future of Mono
I, for one, after hearing that Attachmate was firing the Mono team thought Well crap, that's game over for Mono - that was fun while it lasted.. But during the past few weeks learning about the new company formed and how all the old principals have joined, now I'm saying Sweet this is the best thing that could have possibly happened to Mono! - I've worked at both massive software giants and at small dot-com startups, and crap simply gets done faster and better at a startup.. No more listening to corporate VP schpeils about budget and marketing and deadlines.. Just a bunch of smart people hacking away all day. The way it should be. I've been on the fence about porting my website (www.kitchenpc.com) over to Mono for quite some time now, as well as my build scripts, tools and dev environment. I think when 3.0 comes out and MonoDevelop becomes just a /bit/ more polishes (it's so close!) then I'll finally pull the trigger on this. I'm so used to Visual Studio, but I think VS2010 took a huge step backwards and MD has been progressing by leaps and bounds.. A really solid debugger with a working immediate window, autocomplete everywhere, and integrated script debugging is basically what's stopping me.. Man I wish I had the time to help contribute to that project.. Sigh. Mike On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 5:59 PM, jmalcolm malcolm.jus...@gmail.com wrote: newbie_mono wrote: I have been considering moving to mono on linux. Without Mono , the alternative is learning new languages and throwing away considerable code base. the recent developlments regarding disbanding the Mono team is disconcerting. I have two questions regarding mono on linux : 1- is there really still a future for mono-( asp.net) on linux? 2- is the performance equivalent to IIS ( all other things being equal). I don't really care about having all the features, but performance should not be less. These do not sound like flames to me. The concerns are legitimate given the circumstances. Let me take a stab at your questions: 1) My own opinion is that Mono will be stronger than ever in the future. Mono is an Open Source project using the MIT/X11 license. The commits are still coming in on GitHub from multiple contributors (not just the ex-Novell team). Oh, and about that, the ex-Novell Mono team is pretty much now the Xamarin Mono team (with at least one exception). The old team has started a new company under the leadership of Miguel de Icaza and Nat Friedman. Miguel has been the heart of the Mono ecosystem since the project began. Nat and Miguel have run a successful dev company before. The Mono team is awesome. I expect big things. 2) The performance is about the same in most cases in my experience. In some cases, .NET is faster and in some Mono is faster. In general, .NET is a little faster. It depends on your app. I can tell you one thing, Mono vs. .NET runtime differences will be dwarfed by other factors if you are doing web apps (database, network, memory, file system). There are differences at the Operating System level that will also make a difference and I think the performance advantage between Linux and Windows goes the other way (Linux being faster). People still seem to run into edge cases now and again where Mono falls down a bit. Be sure to report it if you run into one; the Mono team has been fantastic about addressing these quickly (when they are given enough information to dig into it at least). Learning new languages should be something to look forward to. Thankfully, both Mono and .NET provide ample opportunity for that. Of course, there are lots of other fish in the sea as well. Throwing away large working code bases--not so cool. One of the things that I love about Mono (and .NET) is the ability to keep learning and growing while still staying on the same fundamental platform (and being able to reuse old code often). The way the Mono (.NET) ecosystem weaves together is incredible. Mono completes the .NET picture by bringing cross-platform to the same level as multi-language was within the .NET framework already. I have created C# apps for the iPhone and Android that reused C# database and XML processing code that I first wrote for the web (ASP.NET). I have invested many months building ASP.NET Web Forms apps and then been able to evolve them using ASP.NET MVC in a deeply integrated way. I have Unix console apps/utilities (with pure text interfaces and/or using the Curses text GUI libraries) that share much of their back-end code with Windows Forms apps. I can write F# libraries that get used primarily as components of C# apps. I can write IronPython unit tests that test (and directly instantiate) classes written in C#. I have even used large Java libraries (thanks IKVM.NET) to enhance my ASP.NET projects. Code re-use is everywhere. In the same vein, I have embedded the Mono C# compiler as a component in otherwise purely MS .NET apps. I have also used
Re: [Mono-list] Suitability of Mono
Sorry, I wasn't clear. I meant Novell donating the ownership of the code base to Xamarin so they could continue developing the for-profit product. Or like selling them the rights for a dollar or something. On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 2:36 AM, Stifu st...@free.fr wrote: Guys, it's Xamarin, not Xamian. :p You are mixing Xamarin with Ximian (company founded by Miguel and bought by Novell). Although the Xamarin name was probably chosen because it sounded similar. 2) Attachmate open-sources the whole thing (if they're nice) About this, it may be nice to users, but if given away for free, would prevent Xamarin from making money from these products (which might prevent the company from being profitable?). It just doesn't sound likely at all, anyway. Attachmate would have nothing to gain in doing that, and possibly the opposite: customers bitching about how they paid for a product that turned free a little while later. Mike Christensen-2 wrote: On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 5:25 PM, jmalcolm lt;malcolm.jus...@gmail.comgt; wrote: Mike Christensen-2 wrote: Are the iOS and Android Mono Frameworks that Xamarin is creating a totally different code-base from MonoTouch and MonoDroid? What has become of the formerly Novell owned MonoTouch/Droid products? Are those just being scrapped completely? If these are going to be totally new products, will they be designed similar to the Novell products (eg, will it be easy to port from the Novell platform).. Attachmate owns MonoTouch and Mono for Android. We do not know what they plan to do with them (but they have no Mono team now). I doubt they will just hand them over to Xamarin. Time will tell. Xamarin has said that they will create new versions of these products with something appearing in 3-4 months. So, I would expect perhaps six months for a real product. According to Miguel, the Xamarin products will be API compatible which just makes sense. Basically, you can use the Attachmate stuff today with the intent to replace it with Xamarin products when they are ready. It is a little unclear to me what Xamarin needs to re-write and what they do not. For example, a good chunk of MonoTouch was common with MonoMac (which is open source). All this common code is available on GitHub as the MacCore project under the MIT/X11 license. I see no reason why Xamarin could not use it. I think a big part of the engineering effort for MonoTouch was the full AOT (Ahead of Time) compilation and the selective linker. Most of that is in Mono proper I imagine and so should also be available to Xamarin. The LLVM integration to optimize the native code on iOS is also out in the open. A lot of the changes would be in MonoDevelop as well, which is also Open Source. I would think much of the work to support XCode4 integration would be in the IDE for example. Work to support intellisense for MonoTouch and Mono for Android would largely be in the IDE as well. Code to integrate the device simulators would be too. Basically, every time I think about it, I think of more stuff they could use. There is also all the Sliverlight on Android stuff they were doing... Anyway, the point is that Xamarin cannot just use MonoTouch or Mono for Android but, despite this, they probably do not really need to write those products fully from scratch either. It must sure help to have all the knowledge required and the ability to just use the fully designed API on each platform. Great info! Thanks.. As far as what becomes of MonoTouch (though it seems like most of the /real/ work is part of the open source dependencies) is up to Attachmate.. However, I could see three possible scenarios: 1) Attachmate just abandons the MonoTouch code (if they're mean) 2) Attachmate open-sources the whole thing (if they're nice) 3) Attachmate sells the IP to Xamian for cheap (if such a deal could be worked out).. I'm very glad to see the Mono guys are still all together - starting a new company was an awesome idea, I'm definitely a bit jealous.. If I had some money I'd want to help fund this effort.. Mike ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list -- View this message in context: http://mono.1490590.n4.nabble.com/Suitability-of-Mono-tp3538305p3540369.html Sent from the Mono - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Suitability of Mono
Sorry to hi-jack the thread, just a quick question.. Are the iOS and Android Mono Frameworks that Xamarin is creating a totally different code-base from MonoTouch and MonoDroid? What has become of the formerly Novell owned MonoTouch/Droid products? Are those just being scrapped completely? If these are going to be totally new products, will they be designed similar to the Novell products (eg, will it be easy to port from the Novell platform).. Thanks! Mike On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 5:29 AM, Stifu st...@free.fr wrote: Hi, How about trying your .NET app with Mono? That'd be quite a good test. Anyway, wouldn't trying to fix the performance issues of your app be a priority over adding more features? By the way, Mono is an open source project, and Attachmate can't do anything about that. They only own the commercial Mono products. For the record, Attachmate has fired the whole Mono team, which led to the creation of Xamarin (http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2011/May-16.html). Yogi Yang wrote: Hello, I am new to Mono. Not actually totally new but actually have never used Mono for developing any serious app. Just recently I was assigned to task to evaualte Mono for our up coming project which is a document management system for small enterprises. We have burnt our hands with .NET (we have developed a semi DMS using .NET 2 and firebird and/or MS SQL server as back end). I am saying burnt our hands, because under heavy user load the system just does not perform well and becomes sluggish. Now we want to update this semi DMS to a full featured DMS by adding many features like OCR (full and zonal), user rights, directory monitoring for new files, integrating with Open Office, etc. etc. I am told by my boss to evaluate Mono whether it will be suitable for such a complex system or not? But then while searching on net I read somewhere that Mono's future is not very clean now that Attachment has acquired it. I would like input from community on this. Is choosing Mono the best thing esp. when we want to develop a multi OS based software or not? Can someone please give unbiased opinion please? Regards, -- View this message in context: http://mono.1490590.n4.nabble.com/Suitability-of-Mono-tp3538305p3538363.html Sent from the Mono - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Suitability of Mono
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Bojan Rajkovic brajko...@coderinserepeat.com wrote: On May 20, 2011, at 7:08 PM, Mike Christensen wrote: Sorry to hi-jack the thread, just a quick question.. Are the iOS and Android Mono Frameworks that Xamarin is creating a totally different code-base from MonoTouch and MonoDroid? What has become of the formerly Novell owned MonoTouch/Droid products? Are those just being scrapped completely? If these are going to be totally new products, will they be designed similar to the Novell products (eg, will it be easy to port from the Novell platform).. Thanks! Mike Miguel has said that these new products will be source-compatible with MonoTouch and Mono for Android. So new code base then. Is Attachmate doing anything with the MonoTouch code base, or is that unknown currently? ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Suitability of Mono
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 5:25 PM, jmalcolm malcolm.jus...@gmail.com wrote: Mike Christensen-2 wrote: Are the iOS and Android Mono Frameworks that Xamarin is creating a totally different code-base from MonoTouch and MonoDroid? What has become of the formerly Novell owned MonoTouch/Droid products? Are those just being scrapped completely? If these are going to be totally new products, will they be designed similar to the Novell products (eg, will it be easy to port from the Novell platform).. Attachmate owns MonoTouch and Mono for Android. We do not know what they plan to do with them (but they have no Mono team now). I doubt they will just hand them over to Xamarin. Time will tell. Xamarin has said that they will create new versions of these products with something appearing in 3-4 months. So, I would expect perhaps six months for a real product. According to Miguel, the Xamarin products will be API compatible which just makes sense. Basically, you can use the Attachmate stuff today with the intent to replace it with Xamarin products when they are ready. It is a little unclear to me what Xamarin needs to re-write and what they do not. For example, a good chunk of MonoTouch was common with MonoMac (which is open source). All this common code is available on GitHub as the MacCore project under the MIT/X11 license. I see no reason why Xamarin could not use it. I think a big part of the engineering effort for MonoTouch was the full AOT (Ahead of Time) compilation and the selective linker. Most of that is in Mono proper I imagine and so should also be available to Xamarin. The LLVM integration to optimize the native code on iOS is also out in the open. A lot of the changes would be in MonoDevelop as well, which is also Open Source. I would think much of the work to support XCode4 integration would be in the IDE for example. Work to support intellisense for MonoTouch and Mono for Android would largely be in the IDE as well. Code to integrate the device simulators would be too. Basically, every time I think about it, I think of more stuff they could use. There is also all the Sliverlight on Android stuff they were doing... Anyway, the point is that Xamarin cannot just use MonoTouch or Mono for Android but, despite this, they probably do not really need to write those products fully from scratch either. It must sure help to have all the knowledge required and the ability to just use the fully designed API on each platform. Great info! Thanks.. As far as what becomes of MonoTouch (though it seems like most of the /real/ work is part of the open source dependencies) is up to Attachmate.. However, I could see three possible scenarios: 1) Attachmate just abandons the MonoTouch code (if they're mean) 2) Attachmate open-sources the whole thing (if they're nice) 3) Attachmate sells the IP to Xamian for cheap (if such a deal could be worked out).. I'm very glad to see the Mono guys are still all together - starting a new company was an awesome idea, I'm definitely a bit jealous.. If I had some money I'd want to help fund this effort.. Mike ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
[Mono-list] C# 5.0 Async programming video
For anyone interested in async features scheduled for the next version of C# and VB, this was a pretty cool video.. It kinda makes my brain hurt a bit though.. http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/PDC/PDC10/FT09 For extra points, try to count how many times the speaker uses the phrase if you will.. Mike ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] HTML Parser in Mono
Here's another one I came across, though I haven't used it.. http://www.majestic12.co.uk/projects/html_parser.php Says it works well on Mono though.. Mike On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 6:37 AM, Alex xtzgzo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I think HTML Agility Pack will do what you want: http://htmlagilitypack.codeplex.com/ Regards, Alex 2011/4/17 Joel Sevilleja Febrer joel7...@gmail.com: Thanks for answering so quickly. What I want is something like XDocument from .Net, so I can select elements and navigate through them. Thank you 2011/4/17 Alex xtzgzo...@gmail.com: Hi, Do you want something that just does lexing/parsing or something that spits out a full-blown object model? Regards, Alex 2011/4/17 Joel Sevilleja Febrer joel7...@gmail.com: Hi, is there any html parser for Mono? Thanks -- Atentamente, Joel Sevilleja ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list -- Atentamente, Joel Sevilleja ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] logging to remote syslog servers
I have been able to log requests to the local syslog server just fine. How to I edit my code to send the logs to a remote syslog server? Also, is there a way to change what computer name is sent to the syslog? We will be using this program in a Netboot environment for our Mac build process and the computer name will not be set yet. Just the randomly generated name. IntPtr ident = Marshal.StringToHGlobalAnsi(Network Software); Syscall.openlog(ident, SyslogOptions.LOG_PERROR | SyslogOptions.LOG_PID, SyslogFacility.LOG_DAEMON); Syscall.syslog(SyslogFacility.LOG_DAEMON, SyslogLevel.LOG_NOTICE, Test Message); Syscall.syslog(SyslogFacility.LOG_DAEMON, SyslogLevel.LOG_NOTICE, Test Message 2); Syscall.closelog(); Marshal.FreeHGlobal(ident); I don't know anything about syslog, but if I recall correctly, log4net is able to handle this sort of thing pretty well. It's a free and open source logging library that works pretty well, and at the very least maybe you can dig through the source code. ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Site downloads section incompatible with IE
This is not software-related at all, just noticed that the Mono website's downloads section ( http://www.go-mono.com/mono-downloads/download.html http://www.go-mono.com/mono-downloads/download.html ) doesn't work with Internet Explorer... If you try to click on one platform's icons, it does nothing but brings a JavaScript error. Tested with IE7 and IE8 on two computers. Works with Firefox. Doesn't know who cares but it might harm the project's accessibility... If anyone cares, this happens due to the following line of code in download.js: document.getElementById(stable_td + i).style.removeProperty(background); IE, in its infinite wisdom, has decided not to support the removeProperty method and instead has a removeAttribute method. Or, you can just set background to null or empty string. Ugh DOM stuff sucks, but yea this should be fixed. Mike ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Microsoft Solver Foundation 3.0
A friend of mine is the lead engineer on that product (also one of the smartest guys I've ever met).. So if any questions or issues were to arise in such a port, I'd have a connection. I looked into using it for my website (which figures out recipes based on what ingredients you have), however I didn't like the licensing terms so I ended up writing my own code. Mike On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:57 AM, theOptimizer max.mi...@gmail.com wrote: Has there been any thought / interest about adding Microsoft Solver Foundation? http://code.msdn.microsoft.com/solverfoundation/Release/ProjectReleases.aspx?ReleaseId=1799 Solver Foundation seems primarily to be useful for solving linear programs. -- View this message in context: http://mono.1490590.n4.nabble.com/Microsoft-Solver-Foundation-3-0-tp3174800p3174800.html Sent from the Mono - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Mono-list maillist - mono-l...@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] graffic interface
A lot of that wouldn't be too terribly hard to do with XAML/Moonlight.. 2010/9/1 Juan Carlos Ferrández bioubu...@gmail.com: Hiya! I´ve been working on a kind of multimedia centre lately, developing different audio and video reproduction options, online newspapers reading, etc. The thing is that, as a beginner in mono, my graphic internet is quite spartan, mostly Stetic made (buttons, treeviews...) Is there any Library, like Pigment, for mono? Just to make an idea of it all, you can have a look to Pigment website and these following exemples (the last one above all): https://code.fluendo.com/pigment/trac http://macslow.thepimp.net/clips/pigment-example-4.ogg http://macslow.thepimp.net/clips/pigment-example-3.ogg http://macslow.thepimp.net/clips/pigment-example-2.ogg As a closer refference I was having a look at SDL through Tao. What do you think about this option? THANX JC (Sorry for my English :( ) -- View this message in context: http://mono.1490590.n4.nabble.com/graffic-interface-tp2411363p2411363.html Sent from the Mono - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Mono-list maillist - mono-l...@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] String comparisons slow
Is there a release date for 2.8? Also, how does the 2.8 GC (I realize it's only a beta) compare with the .NET GC? Mike On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Stifu st...@free.fr wrote: There has been performance improvements since Mono 2.0. You may get better results with Mono 2.6. Or if you're not in a hurry, wait for Mono 2.8 which should come out soon (that way you could also check out performances with the new GC). -- View this message in context: http://mono.1490590.n4.nabble.com/String-comparisons-slow-tp2296525p2296643.html Sent from the Mono - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Mono-list maillist - mono-l...@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
[Mono-list] [Blatant Alias Abuse] Anyone want to help out with a coding problem?
Hi all – I apologize for the misuse of this alias, but I figured I have the audience that might be interested in helping me out with a rather difficult coding problem. In fact, if I can find someone who’s looking for some part-time work and is interested in a bit of extra cash, then it’ll be worth it. First off, a friend and I are starting a little dot-com here in Seattle that focuses on recipes and meal planning. We’re building on a typical LAMP stack (Linux, Apache, Mono, Postgres – why what did you think I meant?) so we need someone with those skills as well as pretty serious computer science skills (probably Masters of PhD). Here’s the problem. Imagine you have a set of one or more recipes. Each recipe requires one or more ingredients along with an amount of that ingredient. You also have a given user, who has an available set of ingredients and amounts in their inventory. The job is to find the most efficient set of n recipes you can make with the given ingredients, resulting in the fewest number of leftover amounts. Sounds like your typical NP-Complete “multiple-knapsack” problem, right? I’ll make it a bit more complicated now. This user also has a set of “ratings” associated with zero or more recipes (0 stars, user hates the recipe, 5 stars, they love it). One of the parameters of the function is to take a sliding scale (between 1 and 10) that indicates how much their ratings will play into the recipes the function chooses. A scale of zero will tell the algorithm to ignore their ratings and pick the most efficient set. A value of ten will try to use their available ingredients if possible, but worry more about picking recipes they’re probable to like. A default setting of 5 would pick some sort of even balance. Here’s the data you have to work with: - All recipes will be in RAM, no database access required. The recipes contain only a guid, a list of required ingredients and amounts, and a public average rating. - There might be 100,000 recipes for all you know, so a brute-force “try every combination” approach is out of the question. Scalability is key. - I’d prefer an algorithm that results in more accurate results the longer it runs, as the available system resources and system load could dictate how long to run the algorithm before telling it to stop. - The engine is given a user profile (their inventory, all their ratings, and how many recipes they want to cook) Here’s my requirements for a solution: - Scalable of course. Needs to be fast with lots of recipes, lots of ratings, and able to work with multiple users at once. RAM is cheap. - Algorithm functions as both a “suggestions” engine (think of the Netflix algorithm for movie recommendations) and a “what can I make?” algorithm, and can trend towards one side or the other. - All code needs to be written in C#. I have a basic outline and all data structures prepared, I just need to fill in the main function. - Code needs to have unit tests, proving it works. If this sounds like something you’d want to spend a weekend or two on, lemme know. I’m willing to pay a grand or so. I’m also willing to donate that grand to your favorite open-source project or foundation. Please reply to me privately so we don’t clutter up this list with an off-topic thread. Thanks!! Mike ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] [MonoDevelop] MonoDevelop 2.4 released
+1 to an easy way to install this on Ubuntu 10.04.. Also, it looks like my major gripes with the Immediate window are still there.. - No declaration of variables: int x = 5; EOF expected Button b = new Button() EOF expected - No calling of methods: a 7 a.GetType() Evaluation failed. a.ToString() Evaluation failed. (Note: Sorry, this only seems to be the case for variables on the stack, maybe the debugger doesn't box?) - If you change the value of a string in the Value Visualizer, you get an unhandled exception. (You can change this in the Immediate window) - Adding variables to the watch window shows their value according to the program execution. If they're modified under the debugger, the values are not reflected. If you change the values in the watch window, the immediate window will show the new value but the hover over variable watcher shows the old value. If you change the hover over value, the hover over value will show the new value but nothing else will. It's like everything lives in its own universe. The debugger needs to write directly to the program heap. - I still can't drag variables onto the watch window. At least on the Mac. Further more, if I try, the text editor gets stuck in drag mode. Suggestions: - Right click context menu on Immediate window should have a Clear button. On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 2:40 AM, Daniel Hughes tramps...@gmail.com wrote: This release looks really good just one question however. If you click on ubuntu you get the following message MonoDevelop 2.2 is available in Ubuntu 10.4. Older Ubuntu releases contain older versions. MonoDevelop 2.4 coming soon. Does the coming soon message mean waiting to Ubuntu 10.10 or is it going to be available via a PPA on ubuntu 10.04? On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Lluis Sanchez Gual slluis.de...@gmail.com wrote: The MonoDevelop team is proud to announce the release of MonoDevelop 2.4. MonoDevelop is an IDE primarily designed for C# and other .NET languages. MonoDevelop enables developers to quickly write desktop and ASP.NET Web applications on Linux, Windows and Mac OSX. MonoDevelop makes it easy for developers to port .NET applications created with Visual Studio to Linux and Mac OS maintaining a single code base for all platforms. The official announcement is available here: http://www.monodevelop.com/Download/MonoDevelop_2.4_Released A detailed description of the features included in this release is available here: http://monodevelop.com/Download/What%27s_new_in_MonoDevelop_2.4 Many thanks to everybody that made possible this release. Enjoy! The MonoDevelop Team. ___ Monodevelop-list mailing list monodevelop-l...@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/monodevelop-list ___ Mono-list maillist - mono-l...@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
[Mono-list] Mono with OpenID? Anyone done it?
I'm curious if anyone has built a site on Mono and provided OpenID logon abilities. Does the DotNetOpenAuth library work well under Mono? Anything I should watch out for? I don't need any of those fancy ASP.NET controls, my stuff is all static HTML with JSON calls so I just need to call into the library code for the authentication stuff. Thanks!! Mike ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 2.4 Beta 1 released
This is awesome, I just installed this on my Mac and looks very good. No glaring bugs or anything. I have a few questions about the Immediate window. It seems to be read-only. First off, I cannot declare a new variable: string s = Hello; EOF expected Second, if I change an existing variable in the local scope, it apparently ignores me: y 18 y++; y 18 Third, I cannot call methods on local variables: y.ToString() Evaluation failed. (Note there's also no Autocomplete within the Immediate window which would be a nice to have as well).. When I'm debugging, I use the Immediate window quite a bit to mock up code before I change my program, and some polishing up on the MonoDevelop immediate window would go a long way. The more this could be like Visual Studio, the better. (I'm sure you guys hear that one a lot). Any chance of fixing some of these issues before the final bits? Thanks!! Mike On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Lluis Sanchez Gual slluis.de...@gmail.com wrote: The MonoDevelop team is proud to announce the release of MonoDevelop 2.4 Beta 1 (2.3). This is the first release of a series of releases that will lead to MonoDevelop 2.4, hopefully around the end of May. MonoDevelop is a GNOME IDE primarily designed for C# and other .NET languages. MonoDevelop enables developers to quickly write desktop and ASP.NET Web applications on Linux, Windows and Mac OSX. MonoDevelop makes it easy for developers to port .NET applications created with Visual Studio to Linux and to maintain a single code base for all platforms. This release contains lots of new features and improvements. Here is a summary of the new features: * Workbench Usability * Improved look * Improved pad organization * Improved Error Workflow with In-line Error Bubbles * New Project/File dialogs * New Navigate To dialog * Solution and Class pad Zooming * New Options for selecting the user interface language, output pad font and GTK+ theme. * Project Model * Standalone Assembly Projects * External Console Support for Mac and Windows * Support for adding files to solution folders * Proper MSBuild file links in projects * Source Editing * Improved in-line search * Group Mode in Code Completion * Symbol Usage Highlighting * Editing Support in Block Selection Mode * Import Type Command * Code Focus Toggle and Follow-cursor * Quick Fix Command * Scrollable Region Tooltips * Improved Filtering in Completion List * Debugger * Pinned Quick Watches * Debug Value Visualizers * Improved expression evaluation * New Exception Dialog * Tools * New Hex Editor * Integrated T4 Templating * More Code Metrics * ASP.NET * Code completion for C# regions * Web References * Support for WCF Web References * Support for references that require authentication * Improvements in other add-ins: * NUnit * MonoTouch * Mac OS support * Vala A more complete description of what's new in MonoDevelop 2.4 is available here: http://monodevelop.com/Download/What%27s_new_in_MonoDevelop_2.4 Release notes: http://monodevelop.com/Download/Release_Notes/Release_Notes_for_MonoDevelop_2.4_Beta_1 Sources and packages are available here: http://www.monodevelop.com/Download Enjoy! ___ Mono-list maillist - mono-l...@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Powershell over Linux
I'll take a quick stab at answering this, though I'm far from a PowerShell expert.. The main question is what's so special about PowerShell and why is it any better than Bash or what not. I think the primary factor is PowerShell is not a command line interpretter but an actual CLR host itself (similar to how SQL Server can host the CLR for extended stored procedures). It can load managed DLLs into memory, and provide access into managed objects using reflection and auto-complete stuff on the command line based on the object type. Commands are nothing more than .NET classes with properties you set on the command line, so the parser itself can do things like auto-complete command line parameters, resolve ambiguous parameters (-rec is the same as -recurse). If you write a command, you don't have to do /any/ parsing of the command line parameters (unless you want to).. That being said, the actual command line interpretter is totally abstracted from the PowerShell engine. You could embed PowerShell into your program and run PS scripts or even write your own command line syntax. The engine itself allows you to do pretty nifty things such as instantiate managed objects on the fly. I can say: PS C:\ 1 + 1 2 What I've gotten is an actual Int32 object. I can prove it with: PS C:\ $a = 1 + 1 PS C:\ $a.GetType().Name Int32 Further more, any CmdLet (which you can write in managed code and load into the engine) has a full object model: PS C:\ $b = dir PS C:\ $b.Count 101 The real power of this is you can pipe the results of one command into the input of another command and refer to the actual interface of that object. In *NIX, you have to do a bunch of grep'ing and text parsing to really make sense of anything. There's also some great things such as COM interop.. Watch as I instantiate IE on the command line and make it navigate somewhere: PS C:\ $ie = new-object -com internetexplorer.application PS C:\ $ie.visible = $true PS C:\ $ie.navigate2(http://www.cnn.com;) The PowerShell team basically got a bunch of old-skool UNIX hackers and had them sit down and design the command line environment they /wished/ they had in UNIX. This even included some old Amiga geeks and long time sysadmins. It's pretty well designed in my opinion. I for one would love to see something like this written on Mono, but I'm afraid it's a long ways off from happening since it really takes advantage of what the Windows system has to offer.. Mike On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Ben Gamari bgamari.f...@gmail.com wrote: Excerpts from Andrew Brehm's message of Mon Mar 01 05:35:06 -0500 2010: I feel your pain. I would also love to use Powershell on (in my case) Mac OS X. Not to sidetrack the conversation but what exactly can you do in Powershell that you can't do in Bash/csh/Python/Ruby/Perl? It seems that Powershell is just another misguided attempt by Microsoft to emulate Unix facilities while ignoring the principle of orthogonality that gives the Unix tools so much of their power. I utterly fail to see why you should need yet another syntax just to do basic scripting. It seems they just created another language instead of fixing their completely useless command line shell (cmd.exe). I'll give Microsoft credit where credit is due (the CLR is a pretty excellent design and F# is a wonderful language), but command line scripting has never been their strength. - Ben ___ Mono-list maillist - mono-l...@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
[Mono-list] Moonlight Unit Testing/Code Coverage Tools
I'm looking for any existing unit testing (Like NUnit) or Code Coverage tools that could be used to test an API library written to run on the Silverlight/Moonlight DLRs. Anything out there already? Mike ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
[Mono-list] MonoDevelop 2.2 on OS/X problems
I just got around to installing MonoDevelop 2.2 and Mono 2.6 (Both using the Disk Images) and am having several problems with web applications. 1) Running with soft debugger usually does not work. One of three things happens (at random): The web browser is never launched but the application appears to be running (If I open a browser and navigate to localhost, I just get a DNS error so looks like xsp isn't running), or; the web browser launches and tries to navigate to 127.0.0.1:8080, but after 10 minutes still no response, or; MonoDevelop freezes with the wait cursor and I have to Force Quit after several minutes. 2) I did get the app working once by changing the port to 8081, however when I tried running it again it also ran but would no longer trigger any breakpoints. When I recompiled and tried it again, it said it could not attach to the port (port in use). I tried changing to 8082, but this also locked up MonoDevelop next time I ran. 3) When I did get it to trigger a breakpoint, I noticed a lot of limitations with the soft debugger. First, I cannot drag variables to the watch window (there's also a bug if you drag a variable name off the IDE the move the mouse back, the mouse stays stuck in selection mode). Second, all information seems to be immutable. If I change button1.Text from Click me to Foo, it immediately just changes back to Click me. Third, I love the fact that there's an Immediate Window, but as of yet I've found no use for it. I cannot declare new variables (int x = 5), I cannot seem to change any existing variables (button1.Text = New Value;) and there's no auto-complete (Intellisense) within variables. Having an immediate window in VS for both managed code and script is the single best feature of the VS debugger, IMO. On the plus side, MonoDevelop has definitely come a long way in terms of Mac usability and raw speed. It's quick, loads fast, no weird re-size bugs (except for the fact I cannot seem to resize the entire app, only toggle between maximized and normal).. I would also /love/ to see a keyboard layout that would emulate Windows, where pressing the End key actually moved to the end of the line (silliest thing ever on Mac apps).. The one time I did get the debugger working, it seemed fast. Keep up the good work, it's getting there slowly but surely.. I would /love/ to have an open source alternative to Visual Studio 2008 but looks like we're still a ways off.. Mike ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] ASP.NET C# development on Mac ?
Did you guys ever get the MonoDevelop debugger working on xsp on OS/X? On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Michael Hutchinson m.j.hutchin...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 3:42 AM, Austerus and...@dragonflame.org wrote: Hey Cygon and thanks a lot for the reply. I will try it with xsp alone right now but I was wondering about mod_mono (this solution would fit me better since I am running Apache anyway), where do I get it? I couldn't find it in the mono installation and on the website it sends me to the download page, but there I can only get Mono as a whole, no mod_mono. Also, do you know how to default the xsp port to 8080? (I have Apache on 80 and I need that intact). MonoDevelop uses xsp when you run as ASP.NET project within MD, and you can change the port in project options. It defaults to 8080. From the command-line, check xsp --help. IIRC the argument is --port. AFAIK it's possible to run mod_mono on the mac but you'll have to build it from source. And MonoDevelop doesn't integrate with Apache/mono_mono, so the dev cycle won't be so easy. -- Michael Hutchinson http://mjhutchinson.com ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Sites Using Mono
If I'm not mistaken here, I think this thread is basically boiling down to a trust issue; OP, please correct me if I'm wrong. People /want/ to see some huge site such as ebay or something written totally on Mono so they at least know Hey yes that's possible to do, I can commit to that technology for my project and deal with problems as they come up.. Mono can be the fastest thing on earth if setup right, but without a solid résumé it'll be a hard sell.. Mike On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 4:59 PM, ty...@monkeypox.org wrote: On Sun, 22 Nov 2009, sirmak wrote: Thank you very much Miguel, I appreciate you so much, but all I found best were that two single host sites. I was need a mono reference like monster.com, reddit.com to make a decision for a similar project. As Miguel pointed out, the comparision simply isn't applicable. For example, I run a few small traffic sites on a single host running Lighttpd out in from of Mono.Webserver.FastCGI; most people tend to run mod_mono behind Apache. To be honest, running a large site on Monp is no different than running it on Perl, PHP or Python via mod_perl, mod_php5 or mod_python respectively. Most of my experience is running with Apache/mod_python; Python itself is not the fastest in the world but there are a number of techniques that are commonly used to scale $LANGUAGE behind Apache (load balancers, recycling Apache workers, etc) I honestly think the primary reason to chose Mono for hosting sites is to have better control and insight into the framework powering the site, rather than licensing the stack from you know who. That said, there's a large number of bigger fish to fry (read: data model/layer) that cause scaling issues rather than just the framework/runtime. Cheers, -R. Tyler Ballance -- GitHub: http://github.com/rtyler Twitter: http://twitter.com/agentdero Blog: http://unethicalblogger.com ___ Mono-list maillist - mono-l...@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] How do I force a garbage collection / free a heap
Thanks! This is exactly what I needed. I did some tests and with a large database (probably the most data I'll ever have) I allocated about 500 megs on the heap. Once I null out my temporary workspace, GC.Collect() takes about 30ms to run and my process goes back down to about 18 megs.. If I don't run GC.Collect(), I see the 500 megs sitting around for quite some time.. Since this is simply a web site start-up routing, I think this is the best way to go.. Mike On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Michael Hutchinson m.j.hutchin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 7:04 PM, Mike Christensen m...@kitchenpc.com wrote: Hi all - I have a program that generates some results, but in order to do so it must load a whole lotta stuff into memory for calculations. When this is done, I only need the results and not the data in memory. This data might be several hundred megs on the heap or more. When I'm done, I want to free this data and not have it sit around and slow down stuff. Is there a way to force a GC cycle or just say delete these objects? Is there a better design for this sort of thing (like can I create my own heap and just release the whole thing at once?) Also, I'm aware that GC will freeze all threads while it works, which is okay since I only do this when the application starts and I don't mind if the start-up costs are slow (since it's a web site).. Any pointers would be great! You can use GC.Collect () to force a collection. Generally it's advised not to call GC.Collect, because it's best to let the garbage collector handle its scheduling, but it sounds like your use case is okay. -- Michael Hutchinson http://mjhutchinson.com ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
[Mono-list] How do I force a garbage collection / free a heap
Hi all - I have a program that generates some results, but in order to do so it must load a whole lotta stuff into memory for calculations. When this is done, I only need the results and not the data in memory. This data might be several hundred megs on the heap or more. When I'm done, I want to free this data and not have it sit around and slow down stuff. Is there a way to force a GC cycle or just say delete these objects? Is there a better design for this sort of thing (like can I create my own heap and just release the whole thing at once?) Also, I'm aware that GC will freeze all threads while it works, which is okay since I only do this when the application starts and I don't mind if the start-up costs are slow (since it's a web site).. Any pointers would be great! Mike ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Android
Well the Windows Mobile 7 platform will be centered around the Silverlight runtime. I would suggest positioning Mono/Android in a similar strategy. On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 11:27 PM, Stifu st...@free.fr wrote: The Mono guys put a theme interface in place for WinForms, which could be used to make WinForms apps look right on Android. Just my 2 cents. Good luck! Thomas Jam Pedersen wrote: Thanks for your feedback Daniel. OK, so you don't like winform. (But this is where the majority of developers are worldwide) Would WPF be better for you? Let me tell you what we want. We are not particular focusing on winform. What we want to do, is to make it possible to build an application in Visual Studio. Then be able to run that application on 6 different platforms without having to rebuild it for each platform. And it should look and feel almost the same on all 6 platforms. And it shall be able to run both as a preinstalled application and as a small application which you run ondemand from URL link. (essentially embedded in a webpage) For Android we would like to make a bridge that enable you to access Dalvik (Android Java) functionality. But we don't want to force developers to do anything in Java or learn a new IDE. Given these two constraints (no java, no new IDE) it would be nice if some of you could give us feedback on what you would like to have on Android. (and other mobile platforms) Best regards, Thomas -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: mono-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com på vegne af daniel Sendt: on 04-11-2009 06:49 Til: Mono-list@lists.ximian.com Emne: Re: [Mono-list] Android I personally would rather bindings to the android graphics libraries (whatever they are called) then a winforms port which will just look and feel wrong. At work I am a windows mobile developer and develop using the compact framework and I can tell you that winforms on mobile devices sucks big time. Its impossible to create anything that look half way decent. And if you want to do anything remotely modern looking you have to drop into native libraries using pinvoke. So no thank you to the win forms but yes please to mono on android. Something on par with the iphone support would be great. Adam Tauno Williams wrote: On Tue, 2009-11-03 at 13:04 +0100, Thomas Jam Pedersen wrote: We are currently porting Mono to Android. (and soon also to ChromeOS) Exciting. (a) I love .NET and (b) I just pre-ordered my Motorola Droid. I really, really, don't want to develop in Java. We expect to release the first version in the beginning of next year. (2010) We hope to make it so that winform programs developed in VisualStudio will run on all platforms without recompile (in most cases). Wow! A Winforms app on a mobile device? I don't even want to do that - but if you make it work someone should buy you a beer. ___ Mono-list maillist - mono-l...@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - mono-l...@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - mono-l...@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/Android-tp26177657p26192032.html Sent from the Mono - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Mono-list maillist - mono-l...@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Android
Yes, there will be a core Silverlight framework (a Mini .NET if you will) that will be the same on browser and mobile and then extensions specific to mobile that will provide access to phone level hardware like touch, GPS, camera, etc. One person mentioned that being able to write a program once and have it run anywhere is loony, which it is; but this strategy would make possible the ability to write a mobile program and run it on WinMo and Android with little or no recompilation. WinMo (6.x anyway) has something like 200,000 apps so even if half those port over to 7 (yes, all third party 7 apps will be written in managed code) then I could see a lot of the WinMo apps either supporting Mono/Android directly or coming out with Android versions well before iPhone versions. Mike On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 3:20 AM, Robert Jordan robe...@gmx.net wrote: daniel wrote: Silverlight does provide a modern looking user interface. However the current sand boxed, browser based silverlight is not useful. WinMob 7 won't be based on the Silverlight *browser* plugin, which is just a host of the Silverlight framework. WinMob will host Silverlight 3.0 mobile apps directly, of course *with* GPS and other hardware support. If I would care about those devices, I'd go the Moonlight way, although I don't believe that a catch-all UI framework would ever be as useful as a lovely implemented native UI that respects the HIG of a certain device. See MonoTouch. Robert ___ Mono-list maillist - mono-l...@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] [Mono-aspnet-list] sqlite questions?
I'll just have to chime in here and recommend at least taking a brief look at PostgreSQL as well. I tried it out a while back and haven't gone back to either MS SQL or MySQL since.. You'll have no problems getting Mono code to talk with it either. On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 12:35 AM, william leader william.lea...@gmail.comwrote: I would suggest you consider using another database altogether. SQLite is meant to interface with c and c++ programs, neither of which is a language mono supports. Most asp.net applications are developed for Microsoft SQL server or MySQL server depending on where the developer wants the asp.net application to be run. Personally I would suggest MySQL as it has good support for ASP.net features like membership and role providers. Additionally the MySQL server can be run on a range of operating systems such as Windows and Linux. The MySQL libraries that allow .net languages such as C# to easily communicate with the MySQL server are known to work in both Microsoft and Mono environments. As a plus the community version of MySQL can be had for no cost, or if you need business support a commercial version is also available. -Will On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 5:01 AM, Dale E. Moore daleemo...@gmail.com wrote: Is this a good place to ask questions about sqlite? Can somebody please tell me where to go;) Has everybody (or anybody) worked with monodevelop to put together an asp.net application that uses an sqlite database that they then put into production? hello, hello, hello ... is there anybody out there? ___ Mono-aspnet-list mailing list mono-aspnet-l...@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-aspnet-list ___ Mono-aspnet-list mailing list mono-aspnet-l...@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-aspnet-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Is Mono serious? Is Mono still alive?
A few comments: First, I think Mono is a fantastic platform that's making huge advances with each release. However, it simply doesn't compare with Microsoft .NET. The .NET Framework has hundreds of people working on it, a near unlimited budget, and is the obvious choice for running .NET code. It has one of the most advanced garbage collectors ever written, has a huge arsonal of profilers, code coverage tools, debuggers, third party frameworks, etc. The way I see it, the .NET name is associated with Microsoft and Microsoft has somewhat of a bad rep in the open source community. For this reason, those who have made the decision to go open source most likely already steer away from Microsoft based technologies. Companies who are .NET enthusiasts most likely have no problem running Windows servers at which point you might as well just run the .NET Framework and runtime since it's free and is always cutting edge. Second, MonoDevelop is probably my favorite open source/free IDE (more so than Eclipse or anything else I've used) but it's still far, far behind Visual Studio. VS looks great, is extremely flexible and has hands down the most advanced debugger I've ever seen. I can debug web apps, unmanaged code, script code, whatever. The only thing I've actually witnessed MD being able to debug is managed console apps. I work 99% on web applications and until MD can debug web apps (on all platforms), it's totally useless to me. Until it can debug script code, it's severely limited to me. I imagine by the time it does all this, VS 2010 will be out and set an even higher bar for MD to follow. To summarize, Mono is a great platform and I appreciate all the effort that goes into it, but I think companies either embrace the Microsoft world and use Windows/.NET/VS or they embrace the open source world and use LAMP or Java and Eclipse. Trying to say This platform Microsoft invented is great, we've ported it over to the open source world but it's of course not as good as the real thing is a tough sell to many companies.. Mike On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Stifu st...@free.fr wrote: Mono is alive and kicking. Other than the number of posts here and on monologue (http://www.go-mono.com/monologue/), which clearly shows Mono is nowhere near dead (unlike, say, dotGNU), the gap between Mono 2.0 (last year) and Mono 2.6 speaks volume about how fast things are moving. 1) I take it you saw roadmap? http://mono-project.com/Roadmap As far as I know, other than WPF, pretty much everything in .NET is planned for implementation in Mono. The class status page (http://go-mono.com/status/) is also interesting, although it doesn't tell you about future goals. I believe Miguel said about a dozen of Novell devs worked on Mono (+ contributors), I don't know much other than that. 2-3) I agree about the lack of updated content / documentation... I believe Olive (or part of it?) was merged with the main Mono branch at some point, but I don't know the details. 4) I'd pick MonoDevelop over Eclipse, personally. Although less mature, MonoDevelop is lighter and faster, and has just the features I need. It just needs to be polished some more (stability improvements, bugs fixing, OS parity by, for example, adding debugger support for everything on every OS...). MonoDevelop has been worked on for years, and with the relatively recent additions of debugging + Windows and OSX support, I guess the bulk of the work has already been done. If MonoDevelop had only just been started, I may agree with you, but MonoDevelop is there right now and already works fine. That said, that doesn't prevent Eclipse-enthusiasts from looking into Mono with Eclipse, but I don't think Novell should bother at this point. All of that said, few companies use (or even know) about Mono... which is a shame. Hope that ends up changing. cmdematos wrote: I don't want to stir up a hornets nest. It is my intent to see Mono as a strong enough offering to be able to recommend medium to large companies to commit to an Open technology stack that includes (and relies on) Mono. Forgive me if I am not well informed, I am definitely well intended. The following are issues that stop this from reaching any sort of reality: 1) There is no visible Mono timeline and release plan. What is Mono's intent and stated goals for the future? Will it try to maintain parity with Microsoft Dot.Net to some level, and if so what level and by what time-line? 1.1) What are mono's resources? 1.2) Who are mono's sponsors? 1.3) Are we resourcing up to maintain pace with our plans? 2) Many projects that should be enablers of achieving a reasonably parity with Microsoft Dot.Net have not been updated since Dec 2008 (such as Olive) If these are no longer strategic the thinking behind this should be made transparent. 3) The mono site has a mix of outdated pages statuses and some (very little) new content. I agree
[Mono-list] Will there be an easy way to install MonoDevelop 2.2 on Ubuntu
Hi - When MonoDevelop 2.2 is released, will there be an easy way to install this on Ubuntu, or will the only way be to download the sources and build? I tried building from the trunk, however I ran into an endless maze of dependencies and gave up after about 2 hours. Thanks! Mike ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Does mono support VC++
Hi - I believe you are mistaken in your terminology. There is no such thing as a VC++ DLL or DLL based on VC++ code. Mono is a framework designed to run managed IL code, which is a CPU agnostic instruction set designed to be cross-platform. A DLL compiled from VC++ code is x86/x64 assembly code and thus is run directly by the operating system and not the Mono or .NET runtime. Mono is not some sort of Windows or x86 emulator, it's simply a runtime. Your DLL is most likely tightly coupled with various Windows APIs that simply don't exist on Linux and thus your DLL would not function properly. Mike On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:16 PM, Bharti Mishra bharti...@tcs.com wrote: Hi, I am migrating vb.net application onto linux(open suse) platform using mono 2.4.3. I have one dll for printing which is based on 'VC++' code. when have tested this dll through MoMA, it shows this is not a proper dll. let me know does mono support VC++ code or any other solution to resolve this problem. thanks -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Does--mono-support-VC%2B%2B-tp25986289p25986289.html Sent from the Mono - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Mono-list maillist - mono-l...@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 2.2 Beta 2 released
Will MonoDevelop 2.2 (final release) support the debugging of Mono web applications on OS/X? Or will that remain only supported on Linux? Thanks! Mike On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Lluis Sanchez Gual ll...@novell.com wrote: The MonoDevelop team is proud to announce the release of MonoDevelop 2.2 Beta 2 (2.1.1). This is the first release of a series of releases that will lead to MonoDevelop 2.2, hopefully around November. MonoDevelop is a GNOME IDE primarily designed for C# and other .NET languages. MonoDevelop enables developers to quickly write desktop and ASP.NET Web applications on Linux, Windows and Mac OSX. MonoDevelop makes it easy for developers to port .NET applications created with Visual Studio to Linux and to maintain a single code base for all platforms. This release includes plenty of bug fixes and an important change: the license of MonoDevelop has been changed from GPL to LGPL 2.1. Release notes: http://monodevelop.com/Download/Release_Notes/Release_Notes_for_MonoDevelop_2.2_Beta_2 A complete description of what's new in MonoDevelop 2.2 is available here: http://monodevelop.com/Download/What%27s_new_in_MonoDevelop_2.2 Sources and packages are available here: http://www.monodevelop.com/Download Enjoy! ___ Mono-list maillist - mono-l...@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-aspnet-list] Debugging web apps on Mono
Awesome!! Looks like they're making great progress! The immediate window was my other huge want. Now if we can get integrated script debugging I'll be real happy g Mike On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 11:42 PM, Marek Habersack gren...@twistedcode.netwrote: Mike Christensen wrote: Just pinging on this (last time, sorry).. I'm quite curious if any further work is being done on this. Thanks! http://monodevelop.com/Download/What%27s_new_in_MonoDevelop_2.2#Debugger marek On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Mike Christensen m...@kitchenpc.commailto: m...@kitchenpc.com wrote: Hi all - Does anyone know when the Mono debugger will support debugging code running on XSP (And when MonoDevelop will support this as well)? I heard some people were working on this, but I cannot find any updates in over a year. Mike ___ Mono-aspnet-list mailing list Mono-aspnet-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-aspnet-list ___ Mono-aspnet-list mailing list Mono-aspnet-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-aspnet-list
[Mono-list] CLR 4 Garbage Collector video
Here's an interesting video outlining the upcoming GC changes in .NET 4.0.. It's not really Mono related, but perhaps some of the GC geeks out there will find it useful.. http://channel9.msdn.com/shows/Going+Deep/Maoni-Stephens-and-Andrew-Pardoe-CLR-4-Inside-Background-GC/ ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Welcome Summer of Code 2009 Students!
Okay I really hate me too reponses but I would be wayyy into a PL/Mono project.. +Int32.MaxValue for this.. 2009/4/23 Rodrigo Cuevas belli...@gmail.com PL/Mono awesome project Abe Gillespie escribió: Congrats, all! And PL/Mono - hell yeah! -Abe On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Andreia Gaita shana.u...@gmail.com wrote: The results* are in, and this year the Mono project has been awarded 9 slots. We had a lot of strong applications, and it was very hard to choose between them - we had many more proposals worthy of support, and there was a lot of fighting** between the Mono devs to narrow down the list to the final 9. The selected projects are: Improving, testing and integrating ParallelFx into Mono Jeremie Laval CIL optimizer Kornél Pál Class Designer Add-in for MonoDevelop Manuel Alejandro Ceron Estrada Implementing Git as class libraries in managed code Matt Enright Mono.Simd Amd64 Port Jerry Maine Database Designer Add-in for MonoDevelop Luis Ochoa TaskForce - Task focussed workflow for MonoDevelop Anirudh Sanjeev New features for VB.Net 9 Alexandru Mihai Muscar PL/Mono: a procedural language for PostgreSQL Olexandr Melnyk We are now in the community bonding period, which means it's time to get to know your mentors, get comfortable with any tools you're going to need to use on the project, refine your project goals and scope, and do any setup required to get ready for coding. Things to do at this time: - subscribe to the mono-soc mailing list - http://groups.google.com/group/mono-soc-2009 - if you haven't yet, join us on irc.gimpnet.org, the SoC-specific channel is #monosoc - get excited! Thank you to everyone who submitted an application, and congratulations to the accepted students! andreia|gaita * http://socghop.appspot.com/org/home/google/gsoc2009/mono ** no monkeys were hurt in the process ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Checking memory leak
I guess this really depends on what you mean by a memory leak.. If you mean the object is not reachable and on the queue to be garbage collected, one might just trust the GC. However, there's also a lot of value on being able to see what objects are on the heap (and large object heap), what generation they're in, etc. There may be objects that you believe are no longer used, but the runtime still sees them as reachable due to your own coding errors, and not GC bugs. The .NET world has all sorts of great tools like SOS/Windbg as well as all sorts of third party analysis. Is there anything in the Mono world to help out with this? Mike On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Rodrigo Kumpera kump...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 8:52 PM, Ishwor Gurung ish...@loopback.ath.cxwrote: Hi list, Whats an appropriate way to check for memory leak of a mono application? I googled around with some example using valgrind for mono app but couldn't find any concrete examples. What I've essentially done so far using valgrind is: $ valgrind --tool=memcheck --leak-check=full --show-reachable=yes mono ./ConnectUTest.exe This however, always produces memory leak (~14k/test on five runs so far): ==15141== LEAK SUMMARY: ==15141==definitely lost: 14,408 bytes in 760 blocks. ==15141==indirectly lost: 2,496 bytes in 126 blocks. ==15141== possibly lost: 12,460 bytes in 419 blocks. ==15141==still reachable: 2,569,056 bytes in 16,726 blocks. ==15141== suppressed: 0 bytes in 0 blocks. Is this something I should worry about in itself or let the Mono's GC do its job with the memory and not worry about memory leaks? Can someone confirm if these are even a real memory leak (the one above with 14,408 bytes gone!)? Thanks. Valgrind is the best too to dig for memory leaks. But it will only report problems of unmanaged memory leaks. For managed memory, just trust the GC. Mono is supposed to do a clean shutdown, but we still have some small non-important fix leaks on things like support code. All of them leak a fixed set of memory at startup. Anyway, the best way to go is if your attach your valgrind file so I can take a look. Cheers, Rodrigo ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] IHttpHandler works fine under IIS but not Apache
This is already done.
As I've stated in my email, this works for /Test.foo but not
/Blah/Test.foo. Apache requires the physical directory to exist on the
filesystem, otherwise it returns a 404.
Ricardo Lopes wrote:
Hi,
You have to tell apache to send requests to *.foo to mod-mono, check
your configuration.
2009/4/3 Mike Christensen ima...@comcast.net:
Hi guys - I'm thinking this is most likely either an Apache limitation,
a configuration problem, or a bug in mod-mono. I'm hoping it's the
latter so we can fix it :)
Let's say I have an IHttpHandler:
public class Handler : IHttpHandler
{
//Stuff here that will blow your mind
}
Now I register this in my web.config:
httpHandlers
add verb=* path=*.foo validate=false type=Handler /
/httpHandlers
Good so far right?
When I go to:
/Test.foo
My handler will be invoked and it will do all sorts of great things that
you simply can't imagine, probably change the world and all.
However if I do:
/Blah/Test.foo
Then Apache gives me a default 404 File not found error.
If I go and create a blank directory on the file system called Blah,
things will then work again. The point is, I do not want Apache or
anything else validating the filepath or directory structure. Keep in
mind there's web apps such as SharePoint that allow you to provision
webs, subwebs, etc and these paths are completely resolved by HTTP
handlers and are totally independent of the filesystem. Porting this
architecture over to Mono might cause problems.
My question is what is actually to blame? Is Apache verifying the
directory before passing the request off to mod_mono? It obviously
doesn't validate the file itself since Test.foo doesn't exist anywhere
on the filesystem. I kinda think so because it's an Apache 404 error
page I'm getting, which depresses me. Also, this doesn't happen on xsp
so I blame Apache. Anything I can do about this?
On my app, I can hack around it by creating the directories or maybe
doing some hacks with vdirs and stuff, but is there a way we can provide
a better experience? Thanks!!
Mike
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Re: [Mono-list] IHttpHandler works fine under IIS but not Apache
Cool! I'll use this as well..
However, what if you wanted to build an app with a dynamic directory
structure. For example, you can create a user account called Peter on
MySpace and then go to www.myspace.com/Peter. However, I'm pretty sure
they don't have a directory on the filesystem called Peter, nor an alias
for Peter in their Apache config.
It would be nice to just disable this check, which is why I'm wondering
whether this is Apache or mod_mono doing this. IIS does not have this
problem.
Thanks again!
Mike
Peter Hagen wrote:
Hi
I fixed this by using an alias. I added an alias in the site
configuration, and added the alias path to the web.config:
Apache site config
Alias /test /some/real/path/to/my/site/www
Location /test
SetHandler mono
/Location
Web.config
configuration
system.web
httpHandlers
add verb=* path=/test/*
type=Willow.Cms.Common.WebServiceHandler, Willow.Cms.Common /
/httpHandlers
/system.web
/configuration
With this configuration you don't need to create the directory
Cheers
Peter
Mike Christensen wrote:
This is already done.
As I've stated in my email, this works for /Test.foo but not
/Blah/Test.foo. Apache requires the physical directory to exist on
the filesystem, otherwise it returns a 404.
Ricardo Lopes wrote:
Hi,
You have to tell apache to send requests to *.foo to mod-mono, check
your configuration.
2009/4/3 Mike Christensen ima...@comcast.net:
Hi guys - I'm thinking this is most likely either an Apache
limitation,
a configuration problem, or a bug in mod-mono. I'm hoping it's the
latter so we can fix it :)
Let's say I have an IHttpHandler:
public class Handler : IHttpHandler
{
//Stuff here that will blow your mind
}
Now I register this in my web.config:
httpHandlers
add verb=* path=*.foo validate=false type=Handler /
/httpHandlers
Good so far right?
When I go to:
/Test.foo
My handler will be invoked and it will do all sorts of great things
that
you simply can't imagine, probably change the world and all.
However if I do:
/Blah/Test.foo
Then Apache gives me a default 404 File not found error.
If I go and create a blank directory on the file system called Blah,
things will then work again. The point is, I do not want Apache or
anything else validating the filepath or directory structure. Keep in
mind there's web apps such as SharePoint that allow you to provision
webs, subwebs, etc and these paths are completely resolved by HTTP
handlers and are totally independent of the filesystem. Porting this
architecture over to Mono might cause problems.
My question is what is actually to blame? Is Apache verifying the
directory before passing the request off to mod_mono? It obviously
doesn't validate the file itself since Test.foo doesn't exist anywhere
on the filesystem. I kinda think so because it's an Apache 404 error
page I'm getting, which depresses me. Also, this doesn't happen on
xsp
so I blame Apache. Anything I can do about this?
On my app, I can hack around it by creating the directories or maybe
doing some hacks with vdirs and stuff, but is there a way we can
provide
a better experience? Thanks!!
Mike
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Re: [Mono-list] Guide to installing Mono 2.4 on a clean Ubuntu 8.10 Server machine
Thanks! I'm thinking the official way to do it is probably create a file called mod_mono.load in /etc/apache2/mods-available that has: Include /etc/apache2/mod_mono.conf MonoServerPath /usr/local/bin/mod-mono-server2 and then create the link in mods-enabled. Isn't there actually some sort of enable-mod script that does this for you too, rather than using the ln command directly? Would people prefer this? Thanks!! Mike Tinco Andringa wrote: Hi Mike, I like your guide :) I have one comment on step 7. What you do here is not the Apache way, and may scare people since they have to edit the apache2.conf which usually is a very large file. 7) Configure Mod_Mono with Apache Type: cd /etc/apache2 Type: pico apache2.conf Search for this section: # Include module configuration: Include /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/*.load Include /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/*.conf Add the following line under the above lines: Include /etc/apache2/mod_mono.conf At the end of this file, add the following line: MonoServerPath /usr/local/bin/mod-mono-server2 Press CTRL+X to exit Pico, answer Yes to save your changes and press enter to use the same file name. Restart Apache by typing: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart Simpler would be to make a symbolic link in the /etc/apache2/mods_enabled/ directory to the mod_mono.conf file like so: Type: ln -s /etc/apache2/mod_mono.conf /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/mod_mono.conf And with that, it might also be a good idea to put MonoServerPath in the mod_mono.conf file rather than in the apache2.conf. Since when one would disable mod_mono, MonoServerPath would likely throw an error or warning or at least be totally useless. Great work! Greetings, Tinco ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Guide to installing Mono 2.4 on a clean Ubuntu 8.10 Server machine
Ok I've updated my step 7 section, I think this is a lot better. 7) Configure Mod_Mono with Apache Type: cd /etc/apache2/mods-available/ Type: pico mod_mono.load This will create a new file, add the following lines to the file: Include /etc/apache2/mod_mono.conf MonoServerPath /usr/local/bin/mod-mono-server2 Press CTRL+X to exit Pico, answer Yes to save your changes. Now we have to activate our new module. Type: a2enmod mod_mono Restart Apache by typing: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart 8) Make sure it all works! ... Also I've changed all the tar commands to tar -xvpjf so the user can see what's going on g Also, *quick question* why doesn't the mod_mono.conf file just get built into the /mods-available directory in the first place, along with a mod_mono.load file? If this happened, I'd only need to tell users to enable the mod and boom they'd be done. Maybe the build guys can comment? Thanks for the feedback! Mike Mike Christensen wrote: Thanks! I'm thinking the official way to do it is probably create a file called mod_mono.load in /etc/apache2/mods-available that has: Include /etc/apache2/mod_mono.conf MonoServerPath /usr/local/bin/mod-mono-server2 and then create the link in mods-enabled. Isn't there actually some sort of enable-mod script that does this for you too, rather than using the ln command directly? Would people prefer this? Thanks!! Mike Tinco Andringa wrote: Hi Mike, I like your guide :) I have one comment on step 7. What you do here is not the Apache way, and may scare people since they have to edit the apache2.conf which usually is a very large file. 7) Configure Mod_Mono with Apache Type: cd /etc/apache2 Type: pico apache2.conf Search for this section: # Include module configuration: Include /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/*.load Include /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/*.conf Add the following line under the above lines: Include /etc/apache2/mod_mono.conf At the end of this file, add the following line: MonoServerPath /usr/local/bin/mod-mono-server2 Press CTRL+X to exit Pico, answer Yes to save your changes and press enter to use the same file name. Restart Apache by typing: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart Simpler would be to make a symbolic link in the /etc/apache2/mods_enabled/ directory to the mod_mono.conf file like so: Type: ln -s /etc/apache2/mod_mono.conf /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/mod_mono.conf And with that, it might also be a good idea to put MonoServerPath in the mod_mono.conf file rather than in the apache2.conf. Since when one would disable mod_mono, MonoServerPath would likely throw an error or warning or at least be totally useless. Great work! Greetings, Tinco ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
[Mono-list] IHttpHandler works fine under IIS but not Apache
Hi guys - I'm thinking this is most likely either an Apache limitation,
a configuration problem, or a bug in mod-mono. I'm hoping it's the
latter so we can fix it :)
Let's say I have an IHttpHandler:
public class Handler : IHttpHandler
{
//Stuff here that will blow your mind
}
Now I register this in my web.config:
httpHandlers
add verb=* path=*.foo validate=false type=Handler /
/httpHandlers
Good so far right?
When I go to:
/Test.foo
My handler will be invoked and it will do all sorts of great things that
you simply can't imagine, probably change the world and all.
However if I do:
/Blah/Test.foo
Then Apache gives me a default 404 File not found error.
If I go and create a blank directory on the file system called Blah,
things will then work again. The point is, I do not want Apache or
anything else validating the filepath or directory structure. Keep in
mind there's web apps such as SharePoint that allow you to provision
webs, subwebs, etc and these paths are completely resolved by HTTP
handlers and are totally independent of the filesystem. Porting this
architecture over to Mono might cause problems.
My question is what is actually to blame? Is Apache verifying the
directory before passing the request off to mod_mono? It obviously
doesn't validate the file itself since Test.foo doesn't exist anywhere
on the filesystem. I kinda think so because it's an Apache 404 error
page I'm getting, which depresses me. Also, this doesn't happen on xsp
so I blame Apache. Anything I can do about this?
On my app, I can hack around it by creating the directories or maybe
doing some hacks with vdirs and stuff, but is there a way we can provide
a better experience? Thanks!!
Mike
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Re: [Mono-list] Debian support
I will clean it up a bit and post it here for everyone to comment on. Also I have a friend who's a UNIX guru and is curious about Mono and would like to try it out. I'm gonna send the doc to him to get his feedback. After that, I'll see if I can find someone who wants to host an HTML version of the doc. Thanks again for your help! I'm hoping my work will be made obsolete by a Mono 2.4 package that can be easily installed on Ubuntu. Maybe soon? However, I like doing it this way because if I want to fix any minor bugs in the Mono framework and rebuild, that'll now be possible. Mike Daniel Soto wrote: Well done!! Congratulations!! It's not too hard installing Mono from sources after all. Of course, a hand is necessary sometimes. I think that it would be a great contribution to publish your step-by-step guide to anyone that wish install Mono from sources in Ubuntu/Debian. Maybe contacting to the webmasters of Mono-project... why not? Other sites, maybe ubuntuguide.org? El mar, 31-03-2009 a las 17:26 -0700, Mike Christensen escribió: Yup! All good (I read your first email again).. Have a simple Hello World program running, the rest I think I can do since I have some OpenSUSE experience with Mono.. Thanks! The next thing I'm gonna do is wipe the whole machine again and reinstall from scratch, then try the whole thing again based on my notes.. Also, I now have a pretty detailed step-by-step on how to install Mono 2.4 on a fresh Ubuntu Server install, I just have to clean it up a bit. Is there a Wiki or a website I can publish this to so other people can make use of it? Thanks!! Mike Daniel Soto wrote: Nope, still there is some things to do. Edit the file /etc/apache2/apache2.conf Search for this section # Include module configuration: Include /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/*.load Include /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/*.conf Add the following line, below. Include /etc/apache2/mod_mono.conf At the end of configuration file, add the following MonoServerPath /usr/local/bin/mod-mono-server2 Restart apache sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart And you should now have apache with .net support. El mar, 31-03-2009 a las 23:20 +, ima...@comcast.net escribió: Might have been some fluke.. I just nuked the mod_mono-2.4 directory and redownloaded mod_mono, this time I just did: ./configure with no parameters and got no errors. I did a make and a make install with no errors (both took under 10 seconds, is this right?) Anyway, now I have a file called /etc/apache2/mod_mono.conf Does this mean yay? Mike - Original Message - From: ima...@comcast.net To: Daniel Soto daniel.sot...@gmail.com Cc: mono-list@lists.ximian.com, FlappySocks stu...@diyefi.co.uk Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 4:01:00 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [Mono-list] Debian support Yup, here's what I did: apt-get install gettext cd .. wget http://ftp.novell.com/pub/mono/sources/mono/mono-2.4.tar.bz2 tar -xpjf mono-2.4.tar.bz2 cd mono-2.4/ ./configure --prefix=/usr/local make make install cd .. This worked fine, no errors.. Next I built XSP: apt-get install apache2-threaded-dev wget http://ftp.novell.com/pub/mono/sources/xsp/xsp-2.4.tar.bz2 tar -xpjf xsp-2.4.tar.bz2 cd xsp-2.4/ ./configure --prefix=/usr/local make make install This also worked fine, no errors.. Then I build mod_mono: wget http://ftp.novell.com/pub/mono/sources/mod_mono/mod_mono-2.4.tar.bz2 tar -xpjf mod_mono-2.4.tar.bz2 cd mod_mono-2.4/ ./configure --prefix=/usr/local make At which point I get the libtool error. Maybe it's looking in the wrong path for something? Mike - Original Message - From: Daniel Soto daniel.sot...@gmail.com To: ima...@comcast.net Cc: FlappySocks stu...@diyefi.co.uk, mono-list@lists.ximian.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 3:43:35 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [Mono-list] Debian support Did you built mono 2.4 successfully? Mono 2.4 is required before to install mod_mono. 2009/3/31 ima...@comcast.net: I can configure mod_mono now, however when I run make I get: r...@mono24:~/mod_mono-2.4# make Making all in src make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mike/mod_mono-2.4/src' /bin/bash ../libtool --tag=CC --mode=link gcc -Wall -DDFLT_MONO_CONFIG_DIR=\/etc/apache2/mod-mono-applications\ -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -g -O2 -I/usr/include/apache2 -DLINUX=2 -D_GNU_SOURCE -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -D_REENTRANT -I/usr/include/apr-1.0 -I/usr/include/mysql -I/usr/include/openssl -I/usr/include/postgresql -I/usr/include/xmltok -pthread-I/usr/include/apr-1.0 -pthread -I/usr/include/apr-1.0 -I/usr/include/postgresql -I/usr/include/mysql -module -lglib-2.0 -o mod_mono.la -rpath /usr/local/lib mod_mono_la
[Mono-list] Guide to installing Mono 2.4 on a clean Ubuntu 8.10 Server machine
Hi guys - I've written a rough guide to installing Mono 2.4 on a totally clean fresh install of Ubuntu Server 8.10. This guide is geared towards people like me who don't really know a whole lot about Linux or Mono and are most likely coming from a Windows .NET world. For that reason, everything is spelled out pretty verbosely and I try not to take any shortcuts (like stringing a whole bunch of commands together with ampersands and stuff). I'd love to get some of the experts to review this, and perhaps a few people to try it out too if you have VMWare and can create a test machine quickly. I've tried this twice so far and both times I haven't ran into any major problems. Also, I'd like to convert this guide to HTML and post it up on a website somewhere, if anyone has any advice for me on this lemme know. For all you bloggers, this guide is totally public domain and you can post it wherever you'd like. Thanks!! -- *** Complete @!#$'ing Moron's Guide to Installing Mono 2.4 on Ubuntu Server 8.10: *** This is a step by step guide to installing Mono 2.4 and mod_mono on a fresh Ubuntu Server install. Let's begin. 1) Logon to machine so you see a command prompt. Type: sudo bash Enter your password, you should now be root. This will allow you to do whatever you want without typing sudo in front of every command. 2) Install all prequisits for Mono. Note you can put all packages on a single line, but if you're just starting out, you might want to install each one just to make sure it all goes well. If any package is already installed, just continue on. Depending on your system, you might already have some of these. Type: apt-get install build-essential Type: apt-get install pkg-config Type: apt-get install bison Type: apt-get install libglib2.0-0 libglib2.0-dev Type: apt-get install libpng12-dev Type: apt-get install libx11-dev Type: apt-get install libfontconfig1-dev Type: apt-get install libfreetype6-dev Type: apt-get install apache2 Type: apt-get install apache2-threaded-dev Type: apt-get install gettext 3) Download and build libgdiplus which is required for Mono to build. Type: cd ~ Type: wget http://ftp.novell.com/pub/mono/sources/libgdiplus/libgdiplus-2.4.tar.bz2 You should now have the file libgdiplus-2.4.tar.bz2 in your ~/ directory Type: tar -xpjf libgdiplus-2.4.tar.bz2 This will decompress the tar file into its own directory, note you won't see any output) You should now have a directory called libgdiplus-2.4 Type: cd libgdiplus-2.4/ Type: ./configure You should not see any errors, but if you're missing any packages please install them and run ./configure again. Type: make Sometimes here I see some error about link something is not a valid libtool object and Error 1. I have no idea what causes this, but I can usually work around it by running apt-get update and ./configure again. Type: make install 4) Build Mono: Type: cd ~ Type: wget http://ftp.novell.com/pub/mono/sources/mono/mono-2.4.tar.bz2 Type: tar -xpjf mono-2.4.tar.bz2 This will take a minute or so because it's a big file and you won't see anything on the screen because stuff isn't too chatty in the UNIX world. Type: cd mono-2.4/ Type: ./configure Type: make This will take a while - probably about 15 minutes or so. Type: make install When this is done, you should be able to type mono from the prompt and see mono options. This is a good sign. 5) Build xsp (this also includes mono-server which is used for Apache integration) Type: cd ~ Type: wget http://ftp.novell.com/pub/mono/sources/xsp/xsp-2.4.tar.bz2 Type: tar -xpjf xsp-2.4.tar.bz2 Type: cd xsp-2.4/ Type: ./configure Type: make Type: make install 6) Build mod_mono so you can run Mono web sites on Apache Type: cd ~ Type: wget http://ftp.novell.com/pub/mono/sources/mod_mono/mod_mono-2.4.tar.bz2 Type: tar -xpjf mod_mono-2.4.tar.bz2 Type: cd mod_mono-2.4/ Type: ./configure Type: make Type: make install 7) Configure Mod_Mono with Apache Type: cd /etc/apache2 Type: pico apache2.conf Search for this section: # Include module configuration: Include /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/*.load Include /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/*.conf Add the following line under the above lines: Include /etc/apache2/mod_mono.conf At the end of this file, add the following line: MonoServerPath /usr/local/bin/mod-mono-server2 Press CTRL+X to exit Pico, answer Yes to save your changes and press enter to use the same file name. Restart Apache by typing: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart 8) Make sure it all works! Type: cd /var/www This is your default website directory. By default there's just a temporary index.html file that says It works!, you can remove this. Type: rm * Now let's create a test ASPX page. Type: pico default.aspx If you know ASP.NET, you can write some code here. But for something dirt simple, just use: % Response.Write(Hello World!); % Save the file and exit Pico (CTRL+X) In your web browser, you should now be
Re: [Mono-list] Debian support
Is there a step by step on how to do this on a fresh Ubuntu install? It took me forever to figure out all the packages I needed to install first, and now I just get Error 2 when I make. Sigh.. FlappySocks wrote: I have just compiled mono 2.4 on Ubuntu, with no problems. Fantastic. Well done mono. ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Debian support
Just to clarify a few points: 1) Are you downloading Mono tar files or using svn to checkout the source? Does it really matter? 2) libgdiplus was giving me the most problems. Can I install it using apt-get install or do I have to build from sources? You're saying this already comes with the mono sources? What specifically do I have to build? 3) Can you point out exactly what files you're downloading from where? FTP commands would help people not familiar with downloading from the command line. 4) Can you provide a bit more informaiton about what I need to download and build for mod_mono and Apache? I don't care a lot about xsp, but from what I can tell you need to build xsp to have mod_mono and mono_server correct? I assume this is because they share a bunch of code. I'm installing a fresh Ubuntu image right now, I'm planning to create a step-by-step guide when I get this working with every single command line, etc. Mike Daniel Soto wrote: I can describe a summary of how I get Mono 2.4 from sources, it's not difficult. I assume using Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex (my system have it installed) Requirements: build-essential Bison installed (apt-get install bison) libgdiplus-2.4 installed (I got it from mono sources also, then ./configure make make install) Get mono-2.4.tar.bz2, decompress it. Change to directory created after decompress. ./configure --prefix=/usr/local make sudo make install And... I believe that is all. The make command will take a long time to compile. You can install XSP in the same way. To asp.net support for apache web server (asumming apache 2): sudo apt-get install apache-threaded-dev Get mod_modo-2.4 and decompress it. ./configure --prefix=/usr/local make sudo make install When it finishes, make sure that mod_mono.conf is created in /etc/apache2 folder. Edit /etc/apache2/apache2.conf Search for this section: # Include module configuration: Include /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/*.load Include /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/*.conf Add the following line, below. Include /etc/apache2/mod_mono.conf At the end of configuration file, add the following MonoServerPath /usr/local/bin/mod-mono-server2 Restart apache sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart And you should have mono 2.4 with .net support for apache, and xsp2 light webserver for development. Type mono --version to get the version currently installed. Those were the steps that I followed to get mono 2.4 fully functional in a fresh Ubuntu Intrepid install. Let me know if you need more help. I can give a hand. Cheers. 2009/3/31 Mike Christensen ima...@comcast.net: Is there a step by step on how to do this on a fresh Ubuntu install? It took me forever to figure out all the packages I needed to install first, and now I just get Error 2 when I make. Sigh.. FlappySocks wrote: I have just compiled mono 2.4 on Ubuntu, with no problems. Fantastic. Well done mono. ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Debian support
Hi - After decompressing the libgdiplus-2.4.tar file and running ./configure I get the error: configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH Daniel Soto wrote: I can describe a summary of how I get Mono 2.4 from sources, it's not difficult. I assume using Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex (my system have it installed) Requirements: build-essential Bison installed (apt-get install bison) libgdiplus-2.4 installed (I got it from mono sources also, then ./configure make make install) Get mono-2.4.tar.bz2, decompress it. Change to directory created after decompress. ./configure --prefix=/usr/local make sudo make install And... I believe that is all. The make command will take a long time to compile. You can install XSP in the same way. To asp.net support for apache web server (asumming apache 2): sudo apt-get install apache-threaded-dev Get mod_modo-2.4 and decompress it. ./configure --prefix=/usr/local make sudo make install When it finishes, make sure that mod_mono.conf is created in /etc/apache2 folder. Edit /etc/apache2/apache2.conf Search for this section: # Include module configuration: Include /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/*.load Include /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/*.conf Add the following line, below. Include /etc/apache2/mod_mono.conf At the end of configuration file, add the following MonoServerPath /usr/local/bin/mod-mono-server2 Restart apache sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart And you should have mono 2.4 with .net support for apache, and xsp2 light webserver for development. Type mono --version to get the version currently installed. Those were the steps that I followed to get mono 2.4 fully functional in a fresh Ubuntu Intrepid install. Let me know if you need more help. I can give a hand. Cheers. 2009/3/31 Mike Christensen ima...@comcast.net: Is there a step by step on how to do this on a fresh Ubuntu install? It took me forever to figure out all the packages I needed to install first, and now I just get Error 2 when I make. Sigh.. FlappySocks wrote: I have just compiled mono 2.4 on Ubuntu, with no problems. Fantastic. Well done mono. ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Debian support
Ok here's my Total friggen moron's guide to installing Mono 2.4 on Ubuntu Server so far: -) Logon to machine -) At bash prompt, type: sudo bash -) Enter password, you should now be root. -) Type: apt-get install gcc (this will install C compilers) -) Type: apt-get install pkg-config (this is a dependency for libgdiplus) -) Type: apt-get install bison (should only take a few seconds to install) -) Type: wget http://ftp.novell.com/pub/mono/sources/libgdiplus/libgdiplus-2.4.tar.bz2 -) You should now have the file libgdiplus-2.4.tar.bz2 in your ~ directory -) Type: tar -xpjf libgdiplus-2.4.tar.bz2 (this will decompress the tar file into its own directory) -) You should now have a directory called libgdiplus-2.4 -) Type: cd libgdiplus-2.4/ -) Type: ./configure Right now the error is: No package 'glib-2.0' found Should I apt-get install this from somewhere, or is there another tar file I need to decompress and build? Thanks!! Mike Mike Christensen wrote: Hi - After decompressing the libgdiplus-2.4.tar file and running ./configure I get the error: configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH Daniel Soto wrote: I can describe a summary of how I get Mono 2.4 from sources, it's not difficult. I assume using Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex (my system have it installed) Requirements: build-essential Bison installed (apt-get install bison) libgdiplus-2.4 installed (I got it from mono sources also, then ./configure make make install) Get mono-2.4.tar.bz2, decompress it. Change to directory created after decompress. ./configure --prefix=/usr/local make sudo make install And... I believe that is all. The make command will take a long time to compile. You can install XSP in the same way. To asp.net support for apache web server (asumming apache 2): sudo apt-get install apache-threaded-dev Get mod_modo-2.4 and decompress it. ./configure --prefix=/usr/local make sudo make install When it finishes, make sure that mod_mono.conf is created in /etc/apache2 folder. Edit /etc/apache2/apache2.conf Search for this section: # Include module configuration: Include /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/*.load Include /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/*.conf Add the following line, below. Include /etc/apache2/mod_mono.conf At the end of configuration file, add the following MonoServerPath /usr/local/bin/mod-mono-server2 Restart apache sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart And you should have mono 2.4 with .net support for apache, and xsp2 light webserver for development. Type mono --version to get the version currently installed. Those were the steps that I followed to get mono 2.4 fully functional in a fresh Ubuntu Intrepid install. Let me know if you need more help. I can give a hand. Cheers. 2009/3/31 Mike Christensen ima...@comcast.net: Is there a step by step on how to do this on a fresh Ubuntu install? It took me forever to figure out all the packages I needed to install first, and now I just get Error 2 when I make. Sigh.. FlappySocks wrote: I have just compiled mono 2.4 on Ubuntu, with no problems. Fantastic. Well done mono. ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Debian support
I've tried: apt-get install libglib-2.0-dev and get: E: Couldn't find package libglib-2.0-dev Is version 2.0 obsolete now? How do I do a wildcard search for packages to install with the word glib in them? Mike Daniel Soto wrote: A general rule if you get some error related to a missing library when you building, it's to install a package with name [package_name]-dev, pay attention to the -dev suffix. 2009/3/31 Daniel Soto daniel.sot...@gmail.com: I remember that to install glib-2.0, I installed libglib-2.0-dev package. Install it using Synaptic, it's the better way to search it (I not remember the exact name of these package). Let me know if you have luck. 2009/3/31 Mike Christensen ima...@comcast.net: Ok here's my Total friggen moron's guide to installing Mono 2.4 on Ubuntu Server so far: -) Logon to machine -) At bash prompt, type: sudo bash -) Enter password, you should now be root. -) Type: apt-get install gcc (this will install C compilers) -) Type: apt-get install pkg-config (this is a dependency for libgdiplus) -) Type: apt-get install bison (should only take a few seconds to install) -) Type: wget http://ftp.novell.com/pub/mono/sources/libgdiplus/libgdiplus-2.4.tar.bz2 -) You should now have the file libgdiplus-2.4.tar.bz2 in your ~ directory -) Type: tar -xpjf libgdiplus-2.4.tar.bz2 (this will decompress the tar file into its own directory) -) You should now have a directory called libgdiplus-2.4 -) Type: cd libgdiplus-2.4/ -) Type: ./configure Right now the error is: No package 'glib-2.0' found Should I apt-get install this from somewhere, or is there another tar file I need to decompress and build? Thanks!! Mike Mike Christensen wrote: Hi - After decompressing the libgdiplus-2.4.tar file and running ./configure I get the error: configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH Daniel Soto wrote: I can describe a summary of how I get Mono 2.4 from sources, it's not difficult. I assume using Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex (my system have it installed) Requirements: build-essential Bison installed (apt-get install bison) libgdiplus-2.4 installed (I got it from mono sources also, then ./configure make make install) Get mono-2.4.tar.bz2, decompress it. Change to directory created after decompress. ./configure --prefix=/usr/local make sudo make install And... I believe that is all. The make command will take a long time to compile. You can install XSP in the same way. To asp.net support for apache web server (asumming apache 2): sudo apt-get install apache-threaded-dev Get mod_modo-2.4 and decompress it. ./configure --prefix=/usr/local make sudo make install When it finishes, make sure that mod_mono.conf is created in /etc/apache2 folder. Edit /etc/apache2/apache2.conf Search for this section: # Include module configuration: Include /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/*.load Include /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/*.conf Add the following line, below. Include /etc/apache2/mod_mono.conf At the end of configuration file, add the following MonoServerPath /usr/local/bin/mod-mono-server2 Restart apache sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart And you should have mono 2.4 with .net support for apache, and xsp2 light webserver for development. Type mono --version to get the version currently installed. Those were the steps that I followed to get mono 2.4 fully functional in a fresh Ubuntu Intrepid install. Let me know if you need more help. I can give a hand. Cheers. 2009/3/31 Mike Christensen ima...@comcast.net: Is there a step by step on how to do this on a fresh Ubuntu install? It took me forever to figure out all the packages I needed to install first, and now I just get Error 2 when I make. Sigh.. FlappySocks wrote: I have just compiled mono 2.4 on Ubuntu, with no problems. Fantastic. Well done mono. ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Debian support
I get: r...@mono24:~# apt-get install libglib-2.0-dev Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done E: Couldn't find package libglib-2.0-dev If I do: apt-cache pkgnames glib I get: r...@mono24:~# apt-cache pkgnames glib glibc-pic glib-java glibc-2.7-1 glibc-doc-reference glibc-doc glibc-source Are any of these what I need? Daniel Soto wrote: I recommend to you search for glib using Synaptic. I not remember the name of these package and his exact name. The name is not glib-2.0 exactly, I believe (if my memory does not fail :-) ) that it is libglib-2.0-dev. The most problems related to missing libraries when building, are solved searching for foolib-dev as Abe says. 2009/3/31 Daniel Soto daniel.sot...@gmail.com: A general rule if you get some error related to a missing library when you building, it's to install a package with name [package_name]-dev, pay attention to the -dev suffix. 2009/3/31 Daniel Soto daniel.sot...@gmail.com: I remember that to install glib-2.0, I installed libglib-2.0-dev package. Install it using Synaptic, it's the better way to search it (I not remember the exact name of these package). Let me know if you have luck. 2009/3/31 Mike Christensen ima...@comcast.net: Ok here's my Total friggen moron's guide to installing Mono 2.4 on Ubuntu Server so far: -) Logon to machine -) At bash prompt, type: sudo bash -) Enter password, you should now be root. -) Type: apt-get install gcc (this will install C compilers) -) Type: apt-get install pkg-config (this is a dependency for libgdiplus) -) Type: apt-get install bison (should only take a few seconds to install) -) Type: wget http://ftp.novell.com/pub/mono/sources/libgdiplus/libgdiplus-2.4.tar.bz2 -) You should now have the file libgdiplus-2.4.tar.bz2 in your ~ directory -) Type: tar -xpjf libgdiplus-2.4.tar.bz2 (this will decompress the tar file into its own directory) -) You should now have a directory called libgdiplus-2.4 -) Type: cd libgdiplus-2.4/ -) Type: ./configure Right now the error is: No package 'glib-2.0' found Should I apt-get install this from somewhere, or is there another tar file I need to decompress and build? Thanks!! Mike Mike Christensen wrote: Hi - After decompressing the libgdiplus-2.4.tar file and running ./configure I get the error: configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH Daniel Soto wrote: I can describe a summary of how I get Mono 2.4 from sources, it's not difficult. I assume using Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex (my system have it installed) Requirements: build-essential Bison installed (apt-get install bison) libgdiplus-2.4 installed (I got it from mono sources also, then ./configure make make install) Get mono-2.4.tar.bz2, decompress it. Change to directory created after decompress. ./configure --prefix=/usr/local make sudo make install And... I believe that is all. The make command will take a long time to compile. You can install XSP in the same way. To asp.net support for apache web server (asumming apache 2): sudo apt-get install apache-threaded-dev Get mod_modo-2.4 and decompress it. ./configure --prefix=/usr/local make sudo make install When it finishes, make sure that mod_mono.conf is created in /etc/apache2 folder. Edit /etc/apache2/apache2.conf Search for this section: # Include module configuration: Include /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/*.load Include /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/*.conf Add the following line, below. Include /etc/apache2/mod_mono.conf At the end of configuration file, add the following MonoServerPath /usr/local/bin/mod-mono-server2 Restart apache sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart And you should have mono 2.4 with .net support for apache, and xsp2 light webserver for development. Type mono --version to get the version currently installed. Those were the steps that I followed to get mono 2.4 fully functional in a fresh Ubuntu Intrepid install. Let me know if you need more help. I can give a hand. Cheers. 2009/3/31 Mike Christensen ima...@comcast.net: Is there a step by step on how to do this on a fresh Ubuntu install? It took me forever to figure out all the packages I needed to install first, and now I just get Error 2 when I make. Sigh.. FlappySocks wrote: I have just compiled mono 2.4 on Ubuntu, with no problems. Fantastic. Well done mono. ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Debian support
/apache/sbin... no checking for apxs2 in /usr/local/apache/bin... no checking for apxs in /usr/local/apache/bin... no checking for apxs2 in /usr/sbin... no checking for apxs in /usr/sbin... no checking for apxs2 in /usr/bin... no checking for apxs in /usr/bin... no checking for apxs2... no checking for apxs... no configure: error: apxs was not found, DSO compilation will not be available. Is this something I have to worry about? What is DSO compilation? The only thing server related I installed is: apt-get install apache2 Maybe I need some sort of other packages too? - Original Message - From: Daniel Soto daniel.sot...@gmail.com To: Mike Christensen ima...@comcast.net Cc: FlappySocks stu...@diyefi.co.uk, mono-list@lists.ximian.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 11:28:50 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [Mono-list] Debian support I can describe a summary of how I get Mono 2.4 from sources, it's not difficult. I assume using Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex (my system have it installed) Requirements: build-essential Bison installed (apt-get install bison) libgdiplus-2.4 installed (I got it from mono sources also, then ./configure make make install) Get mono-2.4.tar.bz2, decompress it. Change to directory created after decompress. ./configure --prefix=/usr/local make sudo make install And... I believe that is all. The make command will take a long time to compile. You can install XSP in the same way. To asp.net support for apache web server (asumming apache 2): sudo apt-get install apache-threaded-dev Get mod_modo-2.4 and decompress it. ./configure --prefix=/usr/local make sudo make install When it finishes, make sure that mod_mono.conf is created in /etc/apache2 folder. Edit /etc/apache2/apache2.conf Search for this section: # Include module configuration: Include /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/*.load Include /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/*.conf Add the following line, below. Include /etc/apache2/mod_mono.conf At the end of configuration file, add the following MonoServerPath /usr/local/bin/mod-mono-server2 Restart apache sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart And you should have mono 2.4 with .net support for apache, and xsp2 light webserver for development. Type mono --version to get the version currently installed. Those were the steps that I followed to get mono 2.4 fully functional in a fresh Ubuntu Intrepid install. Let me know if you need more help. I can give a hand. Cheers. 2009/3/31 Mike Christensen ima...@comcast.net: Is there a step by step on how to do this on a fresh Ubuntu install? It took me forever to figure out all the packages I needed to install first, and now I just get Error 2 when I make. Sigh.. FlappySocks wrote: I have just compiled mono 2.4 on Ubuntu, with no problems. Fantastic. Well done mono. ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] debugging an asp.net application.
I had checked into this a while ago too and the disappointing answer is This isn't supported yet. It's a limitation in the Mono debugger. When the mono debugger supports debugging web apps, MonoDevelop will support this as well.. Mike Daniel Soto wrote: Hello. I'm trying the new Monodevelop 2.0 and works very well. I only have a doubt: How to debug an asp.net application in monodevelop? When I runs an asp.net app, the execution does not stop at the breakpoint placed in a line of an aspx.cs codebehind. I set the project options to Debug, not Release. In console, typing MONO_OPTIONS=--debug xsp2 enables to debug an aspx page. But in Monodevelop where this is configured? There is a way to configure monodevelop that runs xsp2 in debug mode? Thanks! ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Re compile on Mono?
That kinda brings up the question of whether the Mono compiler and Microsoft compiler will generate the same IL. I would assume the Mono compiler was modeled very closely after the Microsoft stuff (I think MS releases these compiler specs), the only major difference between the Mono and Microsoft platforms should be the runtime itself right? In other words, are there instances where you'd get more efficient IL code by using the Microsoft compiler.. Mike William Huskey wrote: If it works there is no reason to recompile. William Huskey Lead IT Enginering Protec IT Soultuons On Mar 23, 2009, at 3:54, FlappySocks stu...@diyefi.co.uk wrote: I have a console app, I am developing in Visual Studio for windows and Linux. Is there any good reason why I should recompile using the mono compiler before deployment for Linux, or am I ok just using the windows one? -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Recompile-on-Mono--tp22657847p22657847.html Sent from the Mono - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Bundling Mono
I would assume the assembly would be all pre-JIT'ed too? see http://www.mono-project.com/Guide:Running_Mono_Applications For example, if my.exe is compiled with: gmcs -r:my.dll -o my.exe *.cs To create a bundle: mkbundle --deps -o mybundle.exe my.exe my.dll The resulting executable is self contained and does not need the Mono runtime installed to run. Ozzapoo wrote: Hi. I have a .net executable which I wish to bundle with mono, so that people without the .net framework can run it. However, I don't know how I can do this on windows. Can anyone help? ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
[Mono-list] Step by step instructions to configure mod_mono under Apache
After building mono, mod-mono and mod-mono-server (2.2) from scratch, are there any step by step instructions on getting everything configured under Apache? I'm having a hard time, I'm pretty sure everything is setup but for some reason I just see the ASPX source come up in the browser. I must be missing something.. Thanks! Mike ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
