Re: [Mono-list] MS Robotics runtime port

[Miguel de Icaza]

Hello,

> I didn't know about this---thanks! Two points worth noting:
> 
> 1) In the CCRDSS license in section 3 iii that we cannot:
> 
> "distribute Distributable Code to run on a platform other than the
> Windows platform;"

I wonder if this means that you are not able to redistribute the code,
but maybe it allows for you to buy and use the copy yourself.

But if you redistribute your software, your users will have to get the
CCRDSS on their own.

Miguel
> 

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Re: [Mono-list] MS Robotics runtime port

[Doug Blank]

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 8:46 AM, Angel Java Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

>  A comment: Microsoft is taking new directions, separating CCR/DSS from
> Robotics stuff:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/ccrdss/
>
I didn't know about this---thanks! Two points worth noting:

1) In the CCRDSS license in section 3 iii that we cannot:

"distribute Distributable Code to run on a platform other than the Windows
platform;"


>
>
> http://www.cio.com/article/457887/Microsoft_Releases_Developer_Tools_for_Parallel_Computing_Concurrency_and_Coordination
>

2) Trower states that the CCRDSS will become part of .NET. I would guess
that there are patents in this.

I was hoping that MS would make the CCR/DSS available as source. As is, our
project will have to work around this. I have a question in to our MS
contacts, and will report back here when I hear something.

-Doug

>
> Angel "Java" Lopez
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> http://www.ajlopez.com/en
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Re: [Mono-list] MS Robotics runtime port

[Angel "Java" Lopez]

A comment: Microsoft is taking new directions, separating CCR/DSS from
Robotics stuff:

http://www.microsoft.com/ccrdss/

http://www.cio.com/article/457887/Microsoft_Releases_Developer_Tools_for_Par
allel_Computing_Concurrency_and_Coordination

 

Angel "Java" Lopez

http://ajlopez.wordpress.com

http://www.ajlopez.com/en

 

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On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 4:10 AM, Atsushi Eno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I smelled a flavor of misleading so let me prevent spreading such
baseless rumor.

You guys interpret as if the Novell team were going to work on it, but
it is wrong. It is rather that we can host contributions under olive
module (yes we'd be glad to host it) and *we* expect that such eager
people on MS Robotics Runtime must be also interested in hacking it.
You say rather just as a watcher who don't contribute to the
achievement than a programmer.

Atsushi Eno


Relax, Atsushi Eno. All I meant was "cool! let's work together!" 

If anyone can let us know about how to get going that would really help:

- what is missing
- what is broken
- test code

I'm new to C#, Mono, .NET, MRDS, MOMA, ... but am learning. A few moments of
pointing me in the right direction will pay off. Perhaps there are others in
my shoes, as well. And if we can work together, that would be great.

-Doug
 


lonifasiko wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> Miguel de Icaza-2 wrote:
>> We will be implementing a few bits of the CCR ourselves, but only enough
>> to run a specific application for a customer of us.
>> We will do our work on the public SVN repository and hopefully some
>> folks can join in.   We could do this work in the "Olive" module.
>>
>> Miguel.
>>
> These are great news Miguel, thanks very much, I'll keep an eye in the
> "Olive" module. I hope we'll see MS robotics applications running under
Mono
> sooner than expected ;-).
>
> Regards.
>
>
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Re: [Mono-list] MS Robotics runtime port

[Doug Blank]

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 4:10 AM, Atsushi Eno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I smelled a flavor of misleading so let me prevent spreading such
> baseless rumor.
>
> You guys interpret as if the Novell team were going to work on it, but
> it is wrong. It is rather that we can host contributions under olive
> module (yes we'd be glad to host it) and *we* expect that such eager
> people on MS Robotics Runtime must be also interested in hacking it.
> You say rather just as a watcher who don't contribute to the
> achievement than a programmer.
>
> Atsushi Eno
>

Relax, Atsushi Eno. All I meant was "cool! let's work together!"

If anyone can let us know about how to get going that would really help:

- what is missing
- what is broken
- test code

I'm new to C#, Mono, .NET, MRDS, MOMA, ... but am learning. A few moments of
pointing me in the right direction will pay off. Perhaps there are others in
my shoes, as well. And if we can work together, that would be great.

-Doug


>
> lonifasiko wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> > Miguel de Icaza-2 wrote:
> >> We will be implementing a few bits of the CCR ourselves, but only enough
> >> to run a specific application for a customer of us.
> >> We will do our work on the public SVN repository and hopefully some
> >> folks can join in.   We could do this work in the "Olive" module.
> >>
> >> Miguel.
> >>
> > These are great news Miguel, thanks very much, I'll keep an eye in the
> > "Olive" module. I hope we'll see MS robotics applications running under
> Mono
> > sooner than expected ;-).
> >
> > Regards.
> >
> >
> > -
> > Miguel
> > Blog:  http://lonifasiko.blogspot.com/ http://lonifasiko.blogspot.com/
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Re: [Mono-list] MS Robotics runtime port

[lonifasiko]

Hi Atsushi,

Atsushi Eno wrote:
> 
> I smelled a flavor of misleading so let me prevent spreading such
> baseless rumor.

I'm not (at least me) trying to mislead anyone or trying to spread any
rumour on MS Robotics runtime port to MONO.


Atsushi Eno wrote:
> 
> You guys interpret as if the Novell team were going to work on it, but
> it is wrong. It is rather that we can host contributions under olive
> module (yes we'd be glad to host it) and *we* expect that such eager
> people on MS Robotics Runtime must be also interested in hacking it.
> You say rather just as a watcher who don't contribute to the
> achievement than a programmer.
> 
I know this possible port is a hard work that will take very much time and
effort mainly from community contributions (not Novelll). Excuse me if my
overexcited reply after Miguel's post have bothered you, it was not my
intention at all. In fact, I do really appreciate all things you all do at
Mono project, and yes, at the moment, only as a "watcher".

Regards.

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Re: [Mono-list] MS Robotics runtime port

[Atsushi Eno]

I smelled a flavor of misleading so let me prevent spreading such
baseless rumor.

You guys interpret as if the Novell team were going to work on it, but
it is wrong. It is rather that we can host contributions under olive
module (yes we'd be glad to host it) and *we* expect that such eager
people on MS Robotics Runtime must be also interested in hacking it.
You say rather just as a watcher who don't contribute to the
achievement than a programmer.

Atsushi Eno


lonifasiko wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> 
> Miguel de Icaza-2 wrote:
>> We will be implementing a few bits of the CCR ourselves, but only enough
>> to run a specific application for a customer of us.
>> We will do our work on the public SVN repository and hopefully some
>> folks can join in.   We could do this work in the "Olive" module.
>>
>> Miguel.
>>
> These are great news Miguel, thanks very much, I'll keep an eye in the
> "Olive" module. I hope we'll see MS robotics applications running under Mono
> sooner than expected ;-).
> 
> Regards.
> 
> 
> -
> Miguel
> Blog:  http://lonifasiko.blogspot.com/ http://lonifasiko.blogspot.com/ 

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Re: [Mono-list] MS Robotics runtime port

[lonifasiko]

Hi,


Miguel de Icaza-2 wrote:
> 
> We will be implementing a few bits of the CCR ourselves, but only enough
> to run a specific application for a customer of us.
> We will do our work on the public SVN repository and hopefully some
> folks can join in.   We could do this work in the "Olive" module.
> 
> Miguel.
> 
These are great news Miguel, thanks very much, I'll keep an eye in the
"Olive" module. I hope we'll see MS robotics applications running under Mono
sooner than expected ;-).

Regards.


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Re: [Mono-list] MS Robotics runtime port

[Doug Blank]

On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 1:00 PM, Miguel de Icaza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> > After reading Mono's roadmap, does not seem like MS Robotics runtime (CCR
> > and DSS) will be ported to Mono in a very near future.
> >
> > Thus, has anybody successfully achieved on his own compiling CCR and DSS
> > libraries under Mono? I would be very interested in knowing how difficult
> to
> > achieve this porting is, cause would love to run MS robotics services
> under
> > Linux-based robots.
>
> We will be implementing a few bits of the CCR ourselves, but only enough
> to run a specific application for a customer of us.
>
> We will do our work on the public SVN repository and hopefully some
> folks can join in.   We could do this work in the "Olive" module.


Great! If you can leave notes some where about what will be left undone or
broken, that would be helpful to be able to pick up where you leave off.
Thanks,

-Doug


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Re: [Mono-list] MS Robotics runtime port

[Miguel de Icaza]

Hello,

> After reading Mono's roadmap, does not seem like MS Robotics runtime (CCR
> and DSS) will be ported to Mono in a very near future.
> 
> Thus, has anybody successfully achieved on his own compiling CCR and DSS
> libraries under Mono? I would be very interested in knowing how difficult to
> achieve this porting is, cause would love to run MS robotics services under
> Linux-based robots.

We will be implementing a few bits of the CCR ourselves, but only enough
to run a specific application for a customer of us.

We will do our work on the public SVN repository and hopefully some
folks can join in.   We could do this work in the "Olive" module.

Miguel.

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Re: [Mono-list] MS Robotics runtime port

[lonifasiko]

Doug, thanks very much for the initiative of posting this issue publicly on
the Wiki, where sure much more people will have a look at. 

If we make any advance on this "port", we'll post both here in the MONO
lists and also in the Wiki.

Thanks and regards.


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Re: [Mono-list] MS Robotics runtime port

[Doug Blank]

On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 2:15 AM, lonifasiko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Hi Doug,
>
> Thanks for your reply. We've simply run Moma against CCR and DSS related
> libraries, and as expected, some errors were detected, some of them were
> "MethodNotImplemented" errors for example.
>
> Thus, although we have not tried yet, supposed our robotics service was not
> going to run correctly under a Linux+Mono enviroment seeing that there were
> errors under these important libraries needed to run robotics services.
>
> The second step was to extract these assemblies code using Reflector for
> .NET utility, and try to compile them under Visual Studio, a really hard
> task, believe me, cause there are some really strange dependencies we
> haven't still solved. We've first checked compiling these assemblies under
> Visual Studio just to try if compilation was easy enough to then compile it
> under Mono, but as I tell you, at the moment we've abandoned the task.
>
> Nevertheless, be sure we'll try again in a few weeks, I'll keep you
> updated.
> As you say, I think this "port" can be really interesting for many robotics
> and non-robotics developers.
>
> Thanks very much and regards.
>

Miguel,

I and my colleagues would like to see Mono run this. Let's make this be a
project on which we can work together. I've started a wiki page at
http://wiki.roboteducation.org/MRDS_on_Mono --- feel free to put any notes
there.

I also have contacts at Microsoft and they have expressed willingness to
help (in what limited ways they can). For example, if we have questions they
might be able to answer or at least point us in the right direction.

Thanks,

-Doug



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Re: [Mono-list] MS Robotics runtime port

[lonifasiko]

Hi Doug,

Thanks for your reply. We've simply run Moma against CCR and DSS related
libraries, and as expected, some errors were detected, some of them were
"MethodNotImplemented" errors for example.

Thus, although we have not tried yet, supposed our robotics service was not
going to run correctly under a Linux+Mono enviroment seeing that there were
errors under these important libraries needed to run robotics services.

The second step was to extract these assemblies code using Reflector for
.NET utility, and try to compile them under Visual Studio, a really hard
task, believe me, cause there are some really strange dependencies we
haven't still solved. We've first checked compiling these assemblies under
Visual Studio just to try if compilation was easy enough to then compile it
under Mono, but as I tell you, at the moment we've abandoned the task.

Nevertheless, be sure we'll try again in a few weeks, I'll keep you updated.
As you say, I think this "port" can be really interesting for many robotics
and non-robotics developers.

Thanks very much and regards.

-
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Re: [Mono-list] MS Robotics runtime port

[Doug Blank]

Miguel,

Why do you think that Mono doesn't run the CCR and DSS? They shouldn't have
to be ported, right? Should just run?

Have you tried running them directly? Do you have an idea of what isn't
implemented?

Is it a compiler issue? Or a runtime issue?

How are you testing? Can you file a bug report?

I think that there will be many people interested in this once it is
working.

-Doug


On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 4:25 AM, lonifasiko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> After reading Mono's roadmap, does not seem like MS Robotics runtime (CCR
> and DSS) will be ported to Mono in a very near future.
>
> Thus, has anybody successfully achieved on his own compiling CCR and DSS
> libraries under Mono? I would be very interested in knowing how difficult
> to
> achieve this porting is, cause would love to run MS robotics services under
> Linux-based robots.
>
> Thanks very much in advance.
>
> -
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[Mono-list] MS Robotics runtime port

[lonifasiko]

Hi,

After reading Mono's roadmap, does not seem like MS Robotics runtime (CCR
and DSS) will be ported to Mono in a very near future.

Thus, has anybody successfully achieved on his own compiling CCR and DSS
libraries under Mono? I would be very interested in knowing how difficult to
achieve this porting is, cause would love to run MS robotics services under
Linux-based robots.

Thanks very much in advance.

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