[Mono-list] Mono Foundation?
Hello, Over the past few years, people have suggested that we should create a foundation to further develop Mono. The idea in general is good, it has worked fairly well for Gnome, and has worked fairly well for Apache. This comes at a time when some third parties would like to see Mono developed in a particular direction and the process that we have at Novell for getting paid for Mono is not optimal (which is to say, today the best thing you can do to fund Mono is buy SUSE, which is not a very direct way of funding Mono). But am not sure that everyone has the same idea about what a Mono foundation would do, I would like such a foundation to be a mechanism to funnel more money into the development of Mono and its ecosystem. A foundation might have other uses, as it does in Gnome and Apache cases (defining release schedules, promotion, opening up the decision making process), but I think that fundamentally it should aim to have a budget that it can use to hire developers to work on particular areas that need to be developed. I think this is a topic that is worth discussing at the upcoming Mono Meeting: are there enough companies that would be willing to fund a non-profit to develop open source software for this particular purpose? A few months ago, just when someone had brought up the idea about a Mono Foundation, I happened to run into Greg Stein from Apache at a conference. He had a few comments: setting up a foundation is a lot of work (I agree); it might be best to reuse an existing foundation (I agree as well); The Apache Foundation *might* be a host for our activities, but does not have a mechanism for paying/funding any activities (which is what I would personally like to see happen). Miguel. ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
[Mono-list] Mono Foundation
Hi all, Has anyone made any progress on a 'mono foundation'? I have been working on some plans this end (including registering monofoundation.net & monofoundation.org domain names for us to use), but it would be good if we could all put our heads together to help get the foundation off the ground. Regards, James -- Regards, James Darbyshire jamesdarbysh...@gmail.com ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Mono Foundation?
I don't particularly think that my vote carries much weight.. but I would personally like the apache name behind Mono and historically the apache foundation has done a good job of not getting in the way. With regards to paying for development, I don't see the apache foundation as being a hindrance; hard to implement tasks will still require an interested party to finance the development.I don't know of any non-profits out there (maybe the eclipse foundation) that are paying for hard core dev work. my 2 cents, - raf On Wed, 2006-10-04 at 08:25 -0400, Miguel de Icaza wrote: > Hello, > > Over the past few years, people have suggested that we should create > a foundation to further develop Mono. The idea in general is good, it > has worked fairly well for Gnome, and has worked fairly well for > Apache. > > This comes at a time when some third parties would like to see Mono > developed in a particular direction and the process that we have at > Novell for getting paid for Mono is not optimal (which is to say, today > the best thing you can do to fund Mono is buy SUSE, which is not a very > direct way of funding Mono). > > But am not sure that everyone has the same idea about what a Mono > foundation would do, I would like such a foundation to be a mechanism to > funnel more money into the development of Mono and its ecosystem. > > A foundation might have other uses, as it does in Gnome and Apache > cases (defining release schedules, promotion, opening up the decision > making process), but I think that fundamentally it should aim to have a > budget that it can use to hire developers to work on particular areas > that need to be developed. > > I think this is a topic that is worth discussing at the upcoming > Mono Meeting: are there enough companies that would be willing to fund a > non-profit to develop open source software for this particular purpose? > > A few months ago, just when someone had brought up the idea about a > Mono Foundation, I happened to run into Greg Stein from Apache at a > conference. He had a few comments: setting up a foundation is a lot of > work (I agree); it might be best to reuse an existing foundation (I > agree as well); The Apache Foundation *might* be a host for our > activities, but does not have a mechanism for paying/funding any > activities (which is what I would personally like to see happen). > > Miguel. > ___ > Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Mono Foundation?
Hi! I think that this is a big step. Maybe the best way to fund Mono is to involve major corporations in it. It is difficult because a lot of them just think in .Net/Java rather than Mono, so a Mono Foundation might be a big step promoting Mono. With good free software projects into the Mono Foundation many companies might be interested in Mono. To talk with "N*" project maintainers like NLog, NHibernate... to welcome them to the Mono Foundation might be a hit. I think that using the Apache Foundation as the host is not a good idea because people thinks in Java when they read "Apache Foundation" but I don't know how much cost to setup up a new foundation. Im a volunteer to help in the Mono Foundation :-) Regards El mié, 04-10-2006 a las 08:25 -0400, Miguel de Icaza escribió: > Hello, > > Over the past few years, people have suggested that we should create > a foundation to further develop Mono. The idea in general is good, it > has worked fairly well for Gnome, and has worked fairly well for > Apache. > > This comes at a time when some third parties would like to see Mono > developed in a particular direction and the process that we have at > Novell for getting paid for Mono is not optimal (which is to say, today > the best thing you can do to fund Mono is buy SUSE, which is not a very > direct way of funding Mono). > > But am not sure that everyone has the same idea about what a Mono > foundation would do, I would like such a foundation to be a mechanism to > funnel more money into the development of Mono and its ecosystem. > > A foundation might have other uses, as it does in Gnome and Apache > cases (defining release schedules, promotion, opening up the decision > making process), but I think that fundamentally it should aim to have a > budget that it can use to hire developers to work on particular areas > that need to be developed. > > I think this is a topic that is worth discussing at the upcoming > Mono Meeting: are there enough companies that would be willing to fund a > non-profit to develop open source software for this particular purpose? > > A few months ago, just when someone had brought up the idea about a > Mono Foundation, I happened to run into Greg Stein from Apache at a > conference. He had a few comments: setting up a foundation is a lot of > work (I agree); it might be best to reuse an existing foundation (I > agree as well); The Apache Foundation *might* be a host for our > activities, but does not have a mechanism for paying/funding any > activities (which is what I would personally like to see happen). > > Miguel. > ___ > Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list -- Carlos Ble Shidix Technologies www.shidix.com/carlosble ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Mono Foundation?
Miguel de Icaza wrote: > Over the past few years, people have suggested that we should create > a foundation to further develop Mono. The idea in general is good, it > has worked fairly well for Gnome, and has worked fairly well for > Apache. I think it would be a very good idea. Especially as applications that rely on the mono and gtk# framework become more common in the various Linux distributions. The ties to Novell/SuSE imho somewhat limit funding from other companies (such as Canonical) who are coming to include F-Spot, Beagle and other apps which are written on top of the framework. I'm not sure, and seriously hope that it wouldn't drive a wedge between said Mono organization, and Novell corporation. This is just my own input on the issue. -- Michael J. Ryan - tracker1(at)theroughnecks(dot)com - www.theroughnecks.net icq: 4935386 - AIM/AOL: azTracker1 - Y!: azTracker1 - MSN/Win: (email) ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Mono Foundation
Hey James, I'm happy to see interest popping up around this topic. I'm one of the organizer's for Monospace[1] and we will be discussing the future of such a venture at the conference and getting a non-profit organization around Mono setup once the conference is over. We wanted to get something together before the conference, but due to the conference getting moved up we had to push it back a little. The conference allows us to discuss the venture also. We've already been researching what this will take and if you can make it to the conference and be part of the conversation, it would be great. That's go to anybody who is interested in being a part of the conversation. Regards, Dale @dwragan http://moncai.com/ [1]: http://monospace.us/ James Darbyshire May 31, 2011 9:10 PM Hi all, Has anyone made any progress on a 'mono foundation'? I have been working on some plans this end (including registering monofoundation.net & monofoundation.org domain names for us to use), but it would be good if we could all put our heads together to help get the foundation off the ground. Regards, James -- Regards, James Darbyshire jamesdarbysh...@gmail.com ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Mono Foundation
Hi Dale, Unfortunately I am in Sydney, Australia, so not going to be able to make it to the conference - even though I would love to be there. However, I would be more than happy to have an online meeting (Skype or GoTo meeting) with you to discuss the needs/objectives. As said, I have the 2 domain names waiting for the plan to hatch so let's do this! Regards, James On 1 June 2011 11:35, Dale Ragan wrote: > Hey James, > > I'm happy to see interest popping up around this topic. I'm one of the > organizer's for Monospace[1] and we will be discussing the future of such a > venture at the conference and getting a non-profit organization around Mono > setup once the conference is over. We wanted to get something together > before the conference, but due to the conference getting moved up we had to > push it back a little. The conference allows us to discuss the venture > also. We've already been researching what this will take and if you can > make it to the conference and be part of the conversation, it would be > great. That's go to anybody who is interested in being a part of the > conversation. > > Regards, > > Dale > @dwragan > http://moncai.com/ > > [1]: http://monospace.us/ > > -- > >James Darbyshire > May 31, 2011 9:10 PM > > Hi all, > > Has anyone made any progress on a 'mono foundation'? > > I have been working on some plans this end (including registering > monofoundation.net & monofoundation.org domain names for us to use), but > it would be good if we could all put our heads together to help get the > foundation off the ground. > > Regards, > > James > > -- > Regards, > > James Darbyshire > jamesdarbysh...@gmail.com > ___ > Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list > > -- Regards, James Darbyshire jamesdarbysh...@gmail.com ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
