Re: [Mono-list] Re: On Mono and Patents ... again
These issues about patents could be said about every piece of software out there. On Saturday 01 October 2005 3:46 pm, Ralf Reiterer wrote: > > This kind of thread seems to pop up quarterly or > > semiannually. I long for a > > mono-fud or mono-patents or some such mailing list to keep this from > > cluttering the main list. > > You should not underestimate the importance of this issue as it is one > of the *few* arguments that Mono/.NET opponents bring up against that > technology at every occasion, just look in diverse forums and blogs. But > more important, it might keep off companies from using Mono. ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Re: On Mono and Patents ... again
> This kind of thread seems to pop up quarterly or > semiannually. I long for a > mono-fud or mono-patents or some such mailing list to keep this from > cluttering the main list. You should not underestimate the importance of this issue as it is one of the *few* arguments that Mono/.NET opponents bring up against that technology at every occasion, just look in diverse forums and blogs. But more important, it might keep off companies from using Mono. Therefore I suggest that the licensing FAQ should be updated by adding a solid statement about that issue. In my opinion, the two important points are: (1) the .NET API patent contains (some) prior art (at least regarding the Base Library). Just compare the API with the Java Library, for example. Therefore it is likely that it is not (fully) enforcable, even it has been grated to MS by the USPTO. (2) *(almost) every* software is affected by a lots of other patents, e.g. the data structure to XML mapping patent of MS. Therefore it makes virtually no difference if you use C,C++,Java,PHP or C#/Mono. A much better solution would be to publish the results of Novell's patent review that Miguel mentioned one year ago. Having such a statement in the FAQ, I'm sure the patent question is then resolved for most people and companies. Ralf ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Re: On Mono and Patents ... again
This kind of thread seems to pop up quarterly or semiannually. I long for a mono-fud or mono-patents or some such mailing list to keep this from cluttering the main list. On Friday 30 September 2005 8:20 am, Robert Jordan wrote: > It's really useless to talk about patents. It's even unclear > whether MSFT owns (or has licenced from the respective owners) > all patents for the BCL. ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
[Mono-list] Re: On Mono and Patents ... again
Ralf Reiterer wrote: Therefore my conclusion is that any serious .NET application or library will (almost) always need more than the CLI API actually provides. However nobody seems to care about that fine detail and believe that when the CLI can be used for free, (at least) the Mono Stack is safe which is (*in my opinion*) not the case. Of course you can use it for free, since the whole mono class library is MIT-licensed. That's the only licence you're bound to. It's really useless to talk about patents. It's even unclear whether MSFT owns (or has licenced from the respective owners) all patents for the BCL. It's unclear if, for example /me doesn't own a patent on Object.GetHashCode() because I've used it in the very late 60s to compute a way out of my mother's body. A prenatal half-cognitive prior act. On the FAQ: which country shell the FAQ be written for? USA? EU? India? For all countries? That's not what I expect from the Mono team or their layers. I expect (1) a good and free BCL. Everything beyond that is "real world": you can get issued by everybody for everything. Your expectations are too high: you want a "sleep awell" license from the team. Rob ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Re: On Mono and Patents ... again
I don't usually respond to aggresive mails, but I only wanted to say, that the failure of OS/2 was because of thousands of reasons, and I'm sure that having windows compatibility wasn't one of them for the most part. Educate yourself a little further: http://www.linuxandmain.com/features/os2retro.html And for the rest, I dare YOU to come up with a better platform than C# or Java, as you propose, so all of us can switch to it. I for one would be dying to switch. Don't forget to include something resembling ASP.NET, ADO.NET, Gtk#, System.Xml, and so on...Also, be aware of not getting into ANY software patent over there on the process, so I can rest in peace at night. Do yourself a favor and be nicer too, for a change. On 9/28/05, Michael Thomsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Having just skim read his post, I think you have greatly malignedteenagers who dabble in software development...On 9/28/05, Peter Dennis Bartok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >One thing I don't understand is where the heck all this hostility> >comes from. He could have started a simple argument/discussion about the> Based on his language and posts from his address to other forums it seems he > is just a teenager dabbling in php and java. I wouldn't take it too serious.>> p>> ___> Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com> http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list>___Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.comhttp://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list -- > There are a lot of us out there who both do and do not work for SunWow! Quantum programmers! ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Re: On Mono and Patents ... again
Having just skim read his post, I think you have greatly maligned teenagers who dabble in software development... On 9/28/05, Peter Dennis Bartok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >One thing I don't understand is where the heck all this hostility > >comes from. He could have started a simple argument/discussion about the > Based on his language and posts from his address to other forums it seems he > is just a teenager dabbling in php and java. I wouldn't take it too serious. > > p > > ___ > Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list > ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Re: On Mono and Patents ... again
why are you discussing this? i mean, you give the OP some importance by doing so. he definitely doesn't deserve that :-) michael Kornél Pál wrote: I'm pretty sure you're not living in the US, so why are you whining like an idiot? I think this line means that he (Alex Nedelcu) is not living in the US so he don't have to worry about software patents and shouldn't "whine like an idiot" as there are no software patents in Romania. (I'm not sure but probably they have no software patents.) And should not be interpreted as stating that americans are idiots. And I think we should be more intelligent that offending each other.:) People like Alex Nedelcu who is speaking vulgar and states that Mono is a dead idea rate themselves rather than their country or other people so I think we should not come down to his level and arguing about things like whose nation invented more things or what nation is more stupid that the others. Kornél - Original Message - From: "Robert Jordan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 7:44 PM Subject: [Mono-list] Re: On Mono and Patents ... again Hi Alex, Regardless of your convictions, it is hardly do you any honour to refer to Americans as "whining idiots". Especially on this list. Huh? Please read the post: I'm pretty sure you're not living in the US, so why are you whining like an idiot? Rob ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Re: On Mono and Patents ... again
I'm pretty sure you're not living in the US, so why are you whining like an idiot? I think this line means that he (Alex Nedelcu) is not living in the US so he don't have to worry about software patents and shouldn't "whine like an idiot" as there are no software patents in Romania. (I'm not sure but probably they have no software patents.) And should not be interpreted as stating that americans are idiots. And I think we should be more intelligent that offending each other.:) People like Alex Nedelcu who is speaking vulgar and states that Mono is a dead idea rate themselves rather than their country or other people so I think we should not come down to his level and arguing about things like whose nation invented more things or what nation is more stupid that the others. Kornél - Original Message - From: "Robert Jordan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 7:44 PM Subject: [Mono-list] Re: On Mono and Patents ... again Hi Alex, Regardless of your convictions, it is hardly do you any honour to refer to Americans as "whining idiots". Especially on this list. Huh? Please read the post: I'm pretty sure you're not living in the US, so why are you whining like an idiot? Rob ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
RE: [Mono-list] Re: On Mono and Patents ... again
Sorry, I haven’t read the previous post… No contest here, Mr. Nedelcu is an idiot. I am a bit jumpy about the issue, anti-Americanism is rampant in BC, and many of my close friends are Americans. -Alex -Original Message- From: Adrian Dinu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 10:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'Matthias Kestenholz'; mono-list@lists.ximian.com Subject: RE: [Mono-list] Re: On Mono and Patents ... again Obviously, the poster has recognized by the name of the person that he is Romanian, so probably he doesn't live in the US, so all his whining about software patents made him look as a "whining idiot" because software patents are not an issue here (even if Romania is not a part of the EU yet, hopefully it will be in about a year and 3 months). That's why he called HIM a "whining idiot". Geze On Wed, 2005-09-28 at 10:48 -0700, Alex Kriegel wrote: Well, I might be wrong... But what this line refers to? > I'm pretty sure you're not living in the US, so why are you whining > like an idiot? BTW: I am Canadian, but hate to see indiscriminate bashing. -Original Message-From: Matthias Kestenholz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 10:45 AMTo: Alex Kriegel; mono-list@lists.ximian.comSubject: RE: [Mono-list] Re: On Mono and Patents ... again You should probably read all emails twice before replying. Nobody saidthat americans are whining idiots. Thanks for listening. On Wed, 2005-09-28 at 10:38 -0700, Alex Kriegel wrote:> Regardless of your convictions, it is hardly do you any honour to refer to> Americans as "whining idiots". Especially on this list.> > Do you feel morally superior? Technologically superior?> Superior in any respect? Why the smugness?> > After all, most of the technology you use was invented/developed in theUSA,> by the same "whining idiots"... Including the C# specification.> > -Alex> > -Original Message-> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Robert Jordan> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 9:54 AM> To: Mono-list@lists.ximian.com> Subject: [Mono-list] Re: On Mono and Patents ... again> > Hi Alexandu,> > > Before calling me a troll that spreads FUD, first read the wikipedia> definition:> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FUD> > As you saw already, I have good reasons and proofs for my statements> > (it's fucking obvious).> > It's your turn. Please provide evidence that the ECMA/ISO parts are> > "royalty free" (legal this time) and dump the non-ECMA stacks and then> > I will bow to you. Also, if such evidence exist please update that> > stupid FAQ (it is useless in it's current state).> > I'm pretty sure you're not living in the US, so why are you whining> like an idiot? The European Union (where you will someday belong> to ;-) doesn't give a shit on software patents.> Stand up and scream at you corrupt politicians, if you> have a problem with patents.> > > So again, FUCK YOU for trying to poison Linux (or Gnome for that> > matter). Please remember you don't own it. And ... don't worry about> > other flames from me ... I will unsubscribe.> > Get a life!> > ___> Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com> http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list> > ___> Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com> http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list Adrian Dinu Technical Manager Dream Team Software ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
RE: [Mono-list] Re: On Mono and Patents ... again
Obviously, the poster has recognized by the name of the person that he is Romanian, so probably he doesn't live in the US, so all his whining about software patents made him look as a "whining idiot" because software patents are not an issue here (even if Romania is not a part of the EU yet, hopefully it will be in about a year and 3 months). That's why he called HIM a "whining idiot". Geze On Wed, 2005-09-28 at 10:48 -0700, Alex Kriegel wrote: Well, I might be wrong... But what this line refers to? > I'm pretty sure you're not living in the US, so why are you whining > like an idiot? BTW: I am Canadian, but hate to see indiscriminate bashing. -Original Message- From: Matthias Kestenholz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 10:45 AM To: Alex Kriegel; mono-list@lists.ximian.com Subject: RE: [Mono-list] Re: On Mono and Patents ... again You should probably read all emails twice before replying. Nobody said that americans are whining idiots. Thanks for listening. On Wed, 2005-09-28 at 10:38 -0700, Alex Kriegel wrote: > Regardless of your convictions, it is hardly do you any honour to refer to > Americans as "whining idiots". Especially on this list. > > Do you feel morally superior? Technologically superior? > Superior in any respect? Why the smugness? > > After all, most of the technology you use was invented/developed in the USA, > by the same "whining idiots"... Including the C# specification. > > -Alex > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Robert Jordan > Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 9:54 AM > To: Mono-list@lists.ximian.com > Subject: [Mono-list] Re: On Mono and Patents ... again > > Hi Alexandu, > > > Before calling me a troll that spreads FUD, first read the wikipedia > definition: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FUD > > As you saw already, I have good reasons and proofs for my statements > > (it's fucking obvious). > > It's your turn. Please provide evidence that the ECMA/ISO parts are > > "royalty free" (legal this time) and dump the non-ECMA stacks and then > > I will bow to you. Also, if such evidence exist please update that > > stupid FAQ (it is useless in it's current state). > > I'm pretty sure you're not living in the US, so why are you whining > like an idiot? The European Union (where you will someday belong > to ;-) doesn't give a shit on software patents. > Stand up and scream at you corrupt politicians, if you > have a problem with patents. > > > So again, FUCK YOU for trying to poison Linux (or Gnome for that > > matter). Please remember you don't own it. And ... don't worry about > > other flames from me ... I will unsubscribe. > > Get a life! > > ___ > Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list > > ___ > Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list Adrian Dinu Technical Manager Dream Team Software ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
[Mono-list] Re: On Mono and Patents ... again
Hi Alex, Regardless of your convictions, it is hardly do you any honour to refer to Americans as "whining idiots". Especially on this list. Huh? Please read the post: I'm pretty sure you're not living in the US, so why are you whining like an idiot? Rob ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
RE: [Mono-list] Re: On Mono and Patents ... again
Well, I might be wrong... But what this line refers to? > I'm pretty sure you're not living in the US, so why are you whining > like an idiot? BTW: I am Canadian, but hate to see indiscriminate bashing. -Original Message- From: Matthias Kestenholz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 10:45 AM To: Alex Kriegel; mono-list@lists.ximian.com Subject: RE: [Mono-list] Re: On Mono and Patents ... again You should probably read all emails twice before replying. Nobody said that americans are whining idiots. Thanks for listening. On Wed, 2005-09-28 at 10:38 -0700, Alex Kriegel wrote: > Regardless of your convictions, it is hardly do you any honour to refer to > Americans as "whining idiots". Especially on this list. > > Do you feel morally superior? Technologically superior? > Superior in any respect? Why the smugness? > > After all, most of the technology you use was invented/developed in the USA, > by the same "whining idiots"... Including the C# specification. > > -Alex > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Jordan > Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 9:54 AM > To: Mono-list@lists.ximian.com > Subject: [Mono-list] Re: On Mono and Patents ... again > > Hi Alexandu, > > > Before calling me a troll that spreads FUD, first read the wikipedia > definition: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FUD > > As you saw already, I have good reasons and proofs for my statements > > (it's fucking obvious). > > It's your turn. Please provide evidence that the ECMA/ISO parts are > > "royalty free" (legal this time) and dump the non-ECMA stacks and then > > I will bow to you. Also, if such evidence exist please update that > > stupid FAQ (it is useless in it's current state). > > I'm pretty sure you're not living in the US, so why are you whining > like an idiot? The European Union (where you will someday belong > to ;-) doesn't give a shit on software patents. > Stand up and scream at you corrupt politicians, if you > have a problem with patents. > > > So again, FUCK YOU for trying to poison Linux (or Gnome for that > > matter). Please remember you don't own it. And ... don't worry about > > other flames from me ... I will unsubscribe. > > Get a life! > > ___ > Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list > > ___ > Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list -- Matthias Kestenholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://blog.irregular.ch/ ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
RE: [Mono-list] Re: On Mono and Patents ... again
You should probably read all emails twice before replying. Nobody said that americans are whining idiots. Thanks for listening. On Wed, 2005-09-28 at 10:38 -0700, Alex Kriegel wrote: > Regardless of your convictions, it is hardly do you any honour to refer to > Americans as "whining idiots". Especially on this list. > > Do you feel morally superior? Technologically superior? > Superior in any respect? Why the smugness? > > After all, most of the technology you use was invented/developed in the USA, > by the same "whining idiots"... Including the C# specification. > > -Alex > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Jordan > Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 9:54 AM > To: Mono-list@lists.ximian.com > Subject: [Mono-list] Re: On Mono and Patents ... again > > Hi Alexandu, > > > Before calling me a troll that spreads FUD, first read the wikipedia > definition: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FUD > > As you saw already, I have good reasons and proofs for my statements > > (it's fucking obvious). > > It's your turn. Please provide evidence that the ECMA/ISO parts are > > "royalty free" (legal this time) and dump the non-ECMA stacks and then > > I will bow to you. Also, if such evidence exist please update that > > stupid FAQ (it is useless in it's current state). > > I'm pretty sure you're not living in the US, so why are you whining > like an idiot? The European Union (where you will someday belong > to ;-) doesn't give a shit on software patents. > Stand up and scream at you corrupt politicians, if you > have a problem with patents. > > > So again, FUCK YOU for trying to poison Linux (or Gnome for that > > matter). Please remember you don't own it. And ... don't worry about > > other flames from me ... I will unsubscribe. > > Get a life! > > ___ > Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list > > ___ > Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list -- Matthias Kestenholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://blog.irregular.ch/ ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
RE: [Mono-list] Re: On Mono and Patents ... again
Oh, god Shitload of misunderstandings. He wasn't referring to Americans in the "idiot" line. He was actually referring to the original poster and nobody else, and he's not american. Come on, please everybody chill. It's not the time or place (and there will never be a time and place) for such a discussion. It's just plain crap. Everybody, please take a chill pill, ok? On Wed, 2005-09-28 at 10:38 -0700, Alex Kriegel wrote: Regardless of your convictions, it is hardly do you any honour to refer to Americans as "whining idiots". Especially on this list. Do you feel morally superior? Technologically superior? Superior in any respect? Why the smugness? After all, most of the technology you use was invented/developed in the USA, by the same "whining idiots"... Including the C# specification. -Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Robert Jordan Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 9:54 AM To: Mono-list@lists.ximian.com Subject: [Mono-list] Re: On Mono and Patents ... again Hi Alexandu, > Before calling me a troll that spreads FUD, first read the wikipedia definition: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FUD > As you saw already, I have good reasons and proofs for my statements > (it's fucking obvious). > It's your turn. Please provide evidence that the ECMA/ISO parts are > "royalty free" (legal this time) and dump the non-ECMA stacks and then > I will bow to you. Also, if such evidence exist please update that > stupid FAQ (it is useless in it's current state). I'm pretty sure you're not living in the US, so why are you whining like an idiot? The European Union (where you will someday belong to ;-) doesn't give a shit on software patents. Stand up and scream at you corrupt politicians, if you have a problem with patents. > So again, FUCK YOU for trying to poison Linux (or Gnome for that > matter). Please remember you don't own it. And ... don't worry about > other flames from me ... I will unsubscribe. Get a life! ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list Adrian Dinu Technical Manager Dream Team Software ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
RE: [Mono-list] Re: On Mono and Patents ... again
Regardless of your convictions, it is hardly do you any honour to refer to Americans as "whining idiots". Especially on this list. Do you feel morally superior? Technologically superior? Superior in any respect? Why the smugness? After all, most of the technology you use was invented/developed in the USA, by the same "whining idiots"... Including the C# specification. -Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Jordan Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 9:54 AM To: Mono-list@lists.ximian.com Subject: [Mono-list] Re: On Mono and Patents ... again Hi Alexandu, > Before calling me a troll that spreads FUD, first read the wikipedia definition: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FUD > As you saw already, I have good reasons and proofs for my statements > (it's fucking obvious). > It's your turn. Please provide evidence that the ECMA/ISO parts are > "royalty free" (legal this time) and dump the non-ECMA stacks and then > I will bow to you. Also, if such evidence exist please update that > stupid FAQ (it is useless in it's current state). I'm pretty sure you're not living in the US, so why are you whining like an idiot? The European Union (where you will someday belong to ;-) doesn't give a shit on software patents. Stand up and scream at you corrupt politicians, if you have a problem with patents. > So again, FUCK YOU for trying to poison Linux (or Gnome for that > matter). Please remember you don't own it. And ... don't worry about > other flames from me ... I will unsubscribe. Get a life! ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Re: On Mono and Patents ... again
>One thing I don't understand is where the heck all this hostility >comes from. He could have started a simple argument/discussion about the Based on his language and posts from his address to other forums it seems he is just a teenager dabbling in php and java. I wouldn't take it too serious. p ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Re: On Mono and Patents ... again
One thing I don't understand is where the heck all this hostility comes from. He could have started a simple argument/discussion about the legal implications of the M$/Mono relationship. Instead he decided to basically flame the Mono devs and users using some over-the-top language trying to imply the everybody is trying to destroy the "Purity" of Linux. Seems to me like a person the would say that Linux should have remained without a Graphical Interface because it spoils the purity of the OS or smt. It's true patents mean jack-shit nowadays in the EU, but nobody knows what will happen next. We all hope that even after we join the EU (hopefully sooner rather than later) things will stay the same in this respect, but companies are lobbying for the introduction of software patents and maybe at some point they'll control enough "corrupt politicians" to have their way. God help us if and when that happens. Anyway, this discussion seems pointless to me at this point, especially since the introduction was a total fiasco, so I think it shouldn't move beyond this point. I don't exactly know what the policy for this list is regarding profanity, so I refrain from telling him a thing or two in his native language (frankly, a language that is much better for swearing that english ever was) and will leave it at that. Keep up the good work. On Wed, 2005-09-28 at 18:53 +0200, Robert Jordan wrote: Hi Alexandu, > Before calling me a troll that spreads FUD, first read the wikipedia definition: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FUD > As you saw already, I have good reasons and proofs for my statements > (it's fucking obvious). > It's your turn. Please provide evidence that the ECMA/ISO parts are > "royalty free" (legal this time) and dump the non-ECMA stacks and then > I will bow to you. Also, if such evidence exist please update that > stupid FAQ (it is useless in it's current state). I'm pretty sure you're not living in the US, so why are you whining like an idiot? The European Union (where you will someday belong to ;-) doesn't give a shit on software patents. Stand up and scream at you corrupt politicians, if you have a problem with patents. > So again, FUCK YOU for trying to poison Linux (or Gnome for that > matter). Please remember you don't own it. And ... don't worry about > other flames from me ... I will unsubscribe. Get a life! ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list Adrian Dinu Technical Manager Dream Team Software ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
[Mono-list] Re: On Mono and Patents ... again
Hi Alexandu, Before calling me a troll that spreads FUD, first read the wikipedia definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FUD As you saw already, I have good reasons and proofs for my statements (it's fucking obvious). It's your turn. Please provide evidence that the ECMA/ISO parts are "royalty free" (legal this time) and dump the non-ECMA stacks and then I will bow to you. Also, if such evidence exist please update that stupid FAQ (it is useless in it's current state). I'm pretty sure you're not living in the US, so why are you whining like an idiot? The European Union (where you will someday belong to ;-) doesn't give a shit on software patents. Stand up and scream at you corrupt politicians, if you have a problem with patents. So again, FUCK YOU for trying to poison Linux (or Gnome for that matter). Please remember you don't own it. And ... don't worry about other flames from me ... I will unsubscribe. Get a life! ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
