Re: [Mono-list] ubuntu support
I guess this could be addressed with current Debian/Ubuntu mono packagers, who would be more knowledgeable on both technical and process details. On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 12:24 PM, NokNok Developer develo...@noknok.net wrote: Ok, I will bite. Lets say we were willing to sponsor such an effort, are there folks who would be willing to act as the maintainers? Keeping distribution in line with the current stable / beta / dev efforts ? I'd be willing to listen to ideas/proposals, its not just the money aspect, but also servers, download cdn, the organization and expectations. Shawn On 5/21/2011 11:14 AM, Ian Norton wrote: Ive just been trying out the 2.10 debian packages, good so far except its only moonlight 2 so I built my own from trunk again Victor Rocharocha.pu...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder if someone in this list has any experience in fund-raising for open-source projects... well I´m certain there is someone. Being Ubuntu such a popular distro, and being .NET such a popular framework, mono for Ubuntu could perhaps make some company think of sparing some bucks for it, for its own user, or for the publicity value of it. I mean, some hundreds man-hours account to a few thousand dollars, maybe it could be a justifiable effort for Google Summer of Code, Canonical itself, or one of these new crowdsourcing portals. well, just my $0.015 :-D greets On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Thomas Mayertho...@residuum.org wrote: Hi, I just wanted to add, that the guys and girls at Xamarin now have different priorities than to decide whether or not to change their default packaging system. They have to build a running business, have to migrate their infrastructure etc. Just my $0.02, Thomas -- When one's home has a really excellent computer capable of reaching other computers anywhere in the Galaxy, one scarcely needs to budge. (Janov Pelorat in: Isaac Asimov - Foundation's Edge) http://www.residuum.org/ ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] ubuntu support
Ive just been trying out the 2.10 debian packages, good so far except its only moonlight 2 so I built my own from trunk again Victor Rocha rocha.pu...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder if someone in this list has any experience in fund-raising for open-source projects... well I´m certain there is someone. Being Ubuntu such a popular distro, and being .NET such a popular framework, mono for Ubuntu could perhaps make some company think of sparing some bucks for it, for its own user, or for the publicity value of it. I mean, some hundreds man-hours account to a few thousand dollars, maybe it could be a justifiable effort for Google Summer of Code, Canonical itself, or one of these new crowdsourcing portals. well, just my $0.015 :-D greets On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Thomas Mayer tho...@residuum.org wrote: Hi, I just wanted to add, that the guys and girls at Xamarin now have different priorities than to decide whether or not to change their default packaging system. They have to build a running business, have to migrate their infrastructure etc. Just my $0.02, Thomas -- When one's home has a really excellent computer capable of reaching other computers anywhere in the Galaxy, one scarcely needs to budge. (Janov Pelorat in: Isaac Asimov - Foundation's Edge) http://www.residuum.org/ ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] ubuntu support
Ok, I will bite. Lets say we were willing to sponsor such an effort, are there folks who would be willing to act as the maintainers? Keeping distribution in line with the current stable / beta / dev efforts ? I'd be willing to listen to ideas/proposals, its not just the money aspect, but also servers, download cdn, the organization and expectations. Shawn On 5/21/2011 11:14 AM, Ian Norton wrote: Ive just been trying out the 2.10 debian packages, good so far except its only moonlight 2 so I built my own from trunk again Victor Rocharocha.pu...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder if someone in this list has any experience in fund-raising for open-source projects... well I´m certain there is someone. Being Ubuntu such a popular distro, and being .NET such a popular framework, mono for Ubuntu could perhaps make some company think of sparing some bucks for it, for its own user, or for the publicity value of it. I mean, some hundreds man-hours account to a few thousand dollars, maybe it could be a justifiable effort for Google Summer of Code, Canonical itself, or one of these new crowdsourcing portals. well, just my $0.015 :-D greets On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Thomas Mayertho...@residuum.org wrote: Hi, I just wanted to add, that the guys and girls at Xamarin now have different priorities than to decide whether or not to change their default packaging system. They have to build a running business, have to migrate their infrastructure etc. Just my $0.02, Thomas -- When one's home has a really excellent computer capable of reaching other computers anywhere in the Galaxy, one scarcely needs to budge. (Janov Pelorat in: Isaac Asimov - Foundation's Edge) http://www.residuum.org/ ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] ubuntu support
Actually, I agree with Daniel, I think he is being both reasonable and forward thinking. There is an opportunity now to broaden Mono’s usage via Ubuntu. If Java can be deployed seamlessly across platforms why can’t Mono? On Ubuntu 10.10 we can install parallel versions of Mono, but we can’t expect the end users to set up parallel environments just to run our applications. The differences between Mono 2.10 and 2.6.7 are significant enough that as a developer you either drop Ubuntu as a target or you code large portions of your application for the lowest common denominator (2.6.7) – which is frustrating. Ubuntu’s acceptance of key Mono desktop projects has demonstrated that Mono has a lot to offer, and with Ubuntu being the best Linux experience (in my opinion) this is a really good opportunity that’s worth exploring. Everybody is grateful for the efforts of Mirco Bauer and Jo Shields. Daniel is just asking the question, and I think it is a good question worth investigating. From: Bojan Rajkovic Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 12:24 PM To: mono-list Subject: Re: [Mono-list] ubuntu support On May 16, 2011, at 11:43 PM, Daniel Hughes wrote: Currently all my volunteer time is going into Wide Margin. And I foresee it taking up all my time in the near future. However my suggestion is that the mono project drops open suse and instead supports ubuntu. This would require no extra effort. And would get the latest mono to a larger user base. This is where you're wrong—it would require extra effort. Not many of the Mono team members use Ubuntu (or any Debian-derivative, which means learning a whole new set of package management/building tools), and as Jon already pointed out, there are a very talented set of Debian packagers who do a much better job of making available proper packages for Debian and Debian derivatives than the Mono team ever could. There are better things for the newly-minted Xamarin team to focus on than duplicating work that is already done by two able and willing hands. If you want up-to-date Ubuntu packages, donate some cash or better yet, some time to either Mirco Bauer (meebey) or Jo Shields (directhex), who comprise the Mono packaging tag-team for Debian. On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Slide slide.o@gmail.com wrote: I'm sure no one would mind if you volunteered to help out. On May 16, 2011 7:36 PM, Daniel Hughes tramps...@gmail.com wrote: I looking for upto date packages, Im still waiting for 2.8 packages and 2.10 packages. So what I'm looking for is when a new version of mono is released on the same day the new Ubuntu packages are available. Not a year or two or three later. On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Jonathan Pobst mon...@jpobst.com wrote: On 5/16/2011 8:45 PM, Daniel Hughes wrote: Can we expect official ubuntu support going forward? How do you define official ubuntu support? The community has excellent Ubuntu packagers who know the best way to package Mono for Ubuntu, and submit these packages for inclusion in the official Ubuntu releases. So the short of it is: Mono is already packaged and included in Ubuntu. What more than that would you like to see? Jonathan —Bojan ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] ubuntu support
Firstly, packages are already available for debian which means ubuntu ones shouldn't be much longer. http://www.meebey.net/posts/the_big_split_mono_2.10_debian_packaging/ Secondly, there are many reasons why debian packages take longer than opensuse packages. It mostly boils down to debian policy. It would take between 5 and 10 hours to give debian a set of mono package similar to what is provided to opensuse, however this won't be acceptable. Debian has its policies for good reason and if you don't agree with them it should be raised with debian. See http://pkg-mono.alioth.debian.org/ for more details. What it boils down to is that packaging mono for debian/ubuntu takes dozens (hundreds?) of man hours. Packaging for opensuse takes a handful. It is unlikely that xamarin will duplicate the great work done by Jo Shields and Mirco Bauer in the near future (though this is speculation) simply due to the huge effort this would require. It'd take far longer than doing all the opensuse, windows and mac packages which they take care of. Jo and Mirco will get you a modern mono as fast as is humanly possible. If it's not fast enough, I'm sure they'd welcome help :) Alan On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 10:28 AM, David Harper dahar...@hotmail.com wrote: Actually, I agree with Daniel, I think he is being both reasonable and forward thinking. There is an opportunity now to broaden Mono’s usage via Ubuntu. If Java can be deployed seamlessly across platforms why can’t Mono? On Ubuntu 10.10 we can install parallel versions of Mono, but we can’t expect the end users to set up parallel environments just to run our applications. The differences between Mono 2.10 and 2.6.7 are significant enough that as a developer you either drop Ubuntu as a target or you code large portions of your application for the lowest common denominator (2.6.7) – which is frustrating. Ubuntu’s acceptance of key Mono desktop projects has demonstrated that Mono has a lot to offer, and with Ubuntu being the best Linux experience (in my opinion) this is a really good opportunity that’s worth exploring. Everybody is grateful for the efforts of Mirco Bauer and Jo Shields. Daniel is just asking the question, and I think it is a good question worth investigating. From: Bojan Rajkovic Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 12:24 PM To: mono-list Subject: Re: [Mono-list] ubuntu support On May 16, 2011, at 11:43 PM, Daniel Hughes wrote: Currently all my volunteer time is going into Wide Margin. And I foresee it taking up all my time in the near future. However my suggestion is that the mono project drops open suse and instead supports ubuntu. This would require no extra effort. And would get the latest mono to a larger user base. This is where you're wrong—it would require extra effort. Not many of the Mono team members use Ubuntu (or any Debian-derivative, which means learning a whole new set of package management/building tools), and as Jon already pointed out, there are a very talented set of Debian packagers who do a much better job of making available proper packages for Debian and Debian derivatives than the Mono team ever could. There are better things for the newly-minted Xamarin team to focus on than duplicating work that is already done by two able and willing hands. If you want up-to-date Ubuntu packages, donate some cash or better yet, some time to either Mirco Bauer (meebey) or Jo Shields (directhex), who comprise the Mono packaging tag-team for Debian. On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Slide slide.o@gmail.com wrote: I'm sure no one would mind if you volunteered to help out. On May 16, 2011 7:36 PM, Daniel Hughes tramps...@gmail.com wrote: I looking for upto date packages, Im still waiting for 2.8 packages and 2.10 packages. So what I'm looking for is when a new version of mono is released on the same day the new Ubuntu packages are available. Not a year or two or three later. On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Jonathan Pobst mon...@jpobst.com wrote: On 5/16/2011 8:45 PM, Daniel Hughes wrote: Can we expect official ubuntu support going forward? How do you define official ubuntu support? The community has excellent Ubuntu packagers who know the best way to package Mono for Ubuntu, and submit these packages for inclusion in the official Ubuntu releases. So the short of it is: Mono is already packaged and included in Ubuntu. What more than that would you like to see? Jonathan —Bojan ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman
Re: [Mono-list] ubuntu support
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 21:43, Daniel Hughes tramps...@gmail.com wrote: Currently all my volunteer time is going into Wide Margin. And I foresee it taking up all my time in the near future. However my suggestion is that the mono project drops open suse and instead supports ubuntu. This would require no extra effort. And would get the latest mono to a larger user base. I don't think you fully understand what you are asking for. Having done both RPM and DEB packaging I'll take RPM (both openSUSE and fedora) packaging especially in OBS (OpenSUSE Build Service) any day over debian packaging. In fact, if the debian guys don't pick up the packages I put together I'll most likely not support ubuntu. Just isn't worth my extremely limited free time that I have. Ignoring the large amount of complexity that comes with packaging for debian/ubuntu, they package mono differently than on openSUSE and even fedora for that matter. Add in all of the different components, this isn't about just packaging mono. Its about all of the packaging that are required/connected to mono. They are generating and packaging an entire developer platform/ecosystem not just some libraries. Its very impressive what these guys do. It'd be unfair to not mention the amount of time that ajorg puts into all of this. Cheers, Stephen PS. As an openSUSE user (Disclaimer) I'd be sad to see the support drop. What strikes me as odd is your request to drop support for an entire distro and its users. Coming from someone that is writing a bible study application that doesn't seem very christian. ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] ubuntu support
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 22:54, Daniel Hughes tramps...@gmail.com wrote: How many of the mono team will want to continue to use an operation system from the company which has treated them so badly? Just to clarify, it wasn't openSUSE or SUSE that laid off the mono team. And to be technical, it wasn't Novell either. In case you missed it, Attachemate recently bought Novell, split SUSE off and canned the mono team. Since you mention Attachemate one would have to ask if your are just trolling at this point? Cheers, Stephen ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] ubuntu support
Hi Stephen, I apologize, I lacked clarity in my previous post. The Ubuntu issue mentioned by Daniel is a real problem, we're always versions behind and it's frustrating. In light of the recent changes, it is worth considering if an opportunity existed to address some of these issues. It would be great to have the ability to install the latest Mono across multiple platforms, ie. Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, Windows, etc. Bringing Mono up to date in Ubuntu would be awesome, for Mono and for Ubuntu. From the feedback to Daniel's initial post, it has been made manifest to me that there is a lot more work that goes into the packaging of Mono than I realized, and there are other issues such as distribution policies, application installation base compatibilities, etc. I am very grateful to you and everybody else who makes Mono available to us. -Original Message- From: Stephen Shaw Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 12:34 AM To: Daniel Hughes Cc: mono-list Subject: Re: [Mono-list] ubuntu support On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 22:54, Daniel Hughes tramps...@gmail.com wrote: How many of the mono team will want to continue to use an operation system from the company which has treated them so badly? Just to clarify, it wasn't openSUSE or SUSE that laid off the mono team. And to be technical, it wasn't Novell either. In case you missed it, Attachemate recently bought Novell, split SUSE off and canned the mono team. Since you mention Attachemate one would have to ask if your are just trolling at this point? Cheers, Stephen ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] ubuntu support
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 10:58, David Harper dahar...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Stephen, I apologize, I lacked clarity in my previous post. The Ubuntu issue mentioned by Daniel is a real problem, we're always versions behind and it's frustrating. In light of the recent changes, it is worth considering if an opportunity existed to address some of these issues. It would be great to have the ability to install the latest Mono across multiple platforms, ie. Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, Windows, etc. Bringing Mono up to date in Ubuntu would be awesome, for Mono and for Ubuntu. From the feedback to Daniel's initial post, it has been made manifest to me that there is a lot more work that goes into the packaging of Mono than I realized, and there are other issues such as distribution policies, application installation base compatibilities, etc. I am very grateful to you and everybody else who makes Mono available to us. I'm not sure anyone truly understands all the effort especially the initial effort it takes to get stuff packaged and pushed out :) Even though I'm not a debian/ubuntu user I think it would be great to have mono up to date on there as well. You can ask meebey and directhex, I've bugged them enough :) It certainly makes packaging easier with the latest stuff. That has been one of the biggest headaches for me and the packages I was trying to package on ubuntu. Not to mention the policy stuff. It took me longer to get the debian licensing stuff done than it took me to package my stuff on openSUSE and fedora. Cheers, Stephen ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] ubuntu support
I'm not sure anyone truly understands all the effort especially the initial effort it takes to get stuff packaged and pushed out I could only imagine, I prefer to develop software as I have the advantage of being able to copy other peoples code :) Let's hope the guys who lost their jobs are doing okay, it's not a good time to be looking for work... Thanks a million again to you, meebey, directhex and everybody else's efforts to make Mono available. -Original Message- From: Stephen Shaw Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 1:06 AM To: David Harper Cc: Daniel Hughes ; mono-list Subject: Re: [Mono-list] ubuntu support On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 10:58, David Harper dahar...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Stephen, I apologize, I lacked clarity in my previous post. The Ubuntu issue mentioned by Daniel is a real problem, we're always versions behind and it's frustrating. In light of the recent changes, it is worth considering if an opportunity existed to address some of these issues. It would be great to have the ability to install the latest Mono across multiple platforms, ie. Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, Windows, etc. Bringing Mono up to date in Ubuntu would be awesome, for Mono and for Ubuntu. From the feedback to Daniel's initial post, it has been made manifest to me that there is a lot more work that goes into the packaging of Mono than I realized, and there are other issues such as distribution policies, application installation base compatibilities, etc. I am very grateful to you and everybody else who makes Mono available to us. I'm not sure anyone truly understands all the effort especially the initial effort it takes to get stuff packaged and pushed out :) Even though I'm not a debian/ubuntu user I think it would be great to have mono up to date on there as well. You can ask meebey and directhex, I've bugged them enough :) It certainly makes packaging easier with the latest stuff. That has been one of the biggest headaches for me and the packages I was trying to package on ubuntu. Not to mention the policy stuff. It took me longer to get the debian licensing stuff done than it took me to package my stuff on openSUSE and fedora. Cheers, Stephen ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] ubuntu support
Hi, I just wanted to add, that the guys and girls at Xamarin now have different priorities than to decide whether or not to change their default packaging system. They have to build a running business, have to migrate their infrastructure etc. Just my $0.02, Thomas -- When one's home has a really excellent computer capable of reaching other computers anywhere in the Galaxy, one scarcely needs to budge. (Janov Pelorat in: Isaac Asimov - Foundation's Edge) http://www.residuum.org/ ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
[Mono-list] ubuntu support
Now that Novell has been purchased by Attachmate and has laid off its mono developers. And a new mono company xamarin has been started which is not associated with open suse. Can we expect official ubuntu support going forward? Ubuntu represents a larger user base for mono then suse. It has 3 default mono apps but is still stuck on a very old version of mono. Ubuntu has shown a willingness to adopt mono applications and would be an idea primary platform for the mono project going forward. Without the funding from Novell I not sure that open suse has anything left to offer the mono project and I'm sure it does not deserve the exclusive first class support it has historically enjoyed. I have a open source mono application (Wide Margin https://bitbucket.org/trampster/widemargin/wiki/Home) which is getting close to first alpha release and I will firstly be targeting Ubuntu. Because that's where the desktop users are (as was demonstrated by the banshee usage stats). I would love to have the mono project behind my chosen platform and know that I can use the lastest and greatest mono features. ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] ubuntu support
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 10:45 PM, Daniel Hughes tramps...@gmail.com wrote: Now that Novell has been purchased by Attachmate and has laid off its mono developers. And a new mono company xamarin has been started which is not associated with open suse. Can we expect official ubuntu support going forward? This is certainly a possibility, but I can tell you the sad reality of it. The novell team was already overloaded during releases before the Attachmate layoffs and it's not likely this will improve in the immediate future so the only way to make sure it will happen is if the ubuntu community step up and help. ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] ubuntu support
The other reality is the team seems to mostly prefer Mac OS X now. On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 9:58 PM, Rodrigo Kumpera kump...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 10:45 PM, Daniel Hughes tramps...@gmail.com wrote: Now that Novell has been purchased by Attachmate and has laid off its mono developers. And a new mono company xamarin has been started which is not associated with open suse. Can we expect official ubuntu support going forward? This is certainly a possibility, but I can tell you the sad reality of it. The novell team was already overloaded during releases before the Attachmate layoffs and it's not likely this will improve in the immediate future so the only way to make sure it will happen is if the ubuntu community step up and help. ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] ubuntu support
On 5/16/2011 8:45 PM, Daniel Hughes wrote: Can we expect official ubuntu support going forward? How do you define official ubuntu support? The community has excellent Ubuntu packagers who know the best way to package Mono for Ubuntu, and submit these packages for inclusion in the official Ubuntu releases. So the short of it is: Mono is already packaged and included in Ubuntu. What more than that would you like to see? Jonathan ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] ubuntu support
I looking for upto date packages, Im still waiting for 2.8 packages and 2.10 packages. So what I'm looking for is when a new version of mono is released on the same day the new Ubuntu packages are available. Not a year or two or three later. On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Jonathan Pobst mon...@jpobst.com wrote: On 5/16/2011 8:45 PM, Daniel Hughes wrote: Can we expect official ubuntu support going forward? How do you define official ubuntu support? The community has excellent Ubuntu packagers who know the best way to package Mono for Ubuntu, and submit these packages for inclusion in the official Ubuntu releases. So the short of it is: Mono is already packaged and included in Ubuntu. What more than that would you like to see? Jonathan ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] ubuntu support
Currently all my volunteer time is going into Wide Margin. And I foresee it taking up all my time in the near future. However my suggestion is that the mono project drops open suse and instead supports ubuntu. This would require no extra effort. And would get the latest mono to a larger user base. On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Slide slide.o@gmail.com wrote: I'm sure no one would mind if you volunteered to help out. On May 16, 2011 7:36 PM, Daniel Hughes tramps...@gmail.com wrote: I looking for upto date packages, Im still waiting for 2.8 packages and 2.10 packages. So what I'm looking for is when a new version of mono is released on the same day the new Ubuntu packages are available. Not a year or two or three later. On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Jonathan Pobst mon...@jpobst.com wrote: On 5/16/2011 8:45 PM, Daniel Hughes wrote: Can we expect official ubuntu support going forward? How do you define official ubuntu support? The community has excellent Ubuntu packagers who know the best way to package Mono for Ubuntu, and submit these packages for inclusion in the official Ubuntu releases. So the short of it is: Mono is already packaged and included in Ubuntu. What more than that would you like to see? Jonathan ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] ubuntu support
On May 16, 2011, at 11:43 PM, Daniel Hughes wrote: Currently all my volunteer time is going into Wide Margin. And I foresee it taking up all my time in the near future. However my suggestion is that the mono project drops open suse and instead supports ubuntu. This would require no extra effort. And would get the latest mono to a larger user base. This is where you're wrong—it would require extra effort. Not many of the Mono team members use Ubuntu (or any Debian-derivative, which means learning a whole new set of package management/building tools), and as Jon already pointed out, there are a very talented set of Debian packagers who do a much better job of making available proper packages for Debian and Debian derivatives than the Mono team ever could. There are better things for the newly-minted Xamarin team to focus on than duplicating work that is already done by two able and willing hands. If you want up-to-date Ubuntu packages, donate some cash or better yet, some time to either Mirco Bauer (meebey) or Jo Shields (directhex), who comprise the Mono packaging tag-team for Debian. On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Slide slide.o@gmail.com wrote: I'm sure no one would mind if you volunteered to help out. On May 16, 2011 7:36 PM, Daniel Hughes tramps...@gmail.com wrote: I looking for upto date packages, Im still waiting for 2.8 packages and 2.10 packages. So what I'm looking for is when a new version of mono is released on the same day the new Ubuntu packages are available. Not a year or two or three later. On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Jonathan Pobst mon...@jpobst.com wrote: On 5/16/2011 8:45 PM, Daniel Hughes wrote: Can we expect official ubuntu support going forward? How do you define official ubuntu support? The community has excellent Ubuntu packagers who know the best way to package Mono for Ubuntu, and submit these packages for inclusion in the official Ubuntu releases. So the short of it is: Mono is already packaged and included in Ubuntu. What more than that would you like to see? Jonathan —Bojan___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] ubuntu support
How many of the mono team will want to continue to use an operation system from the company which has treated them so badly? I guess only time will tell. By the way I want to say a big thanks for the work that Mirco Bauer (meebey) and Jo Shields (directhex) does, I have thanked directhex many times myself. The sad state of mono on ubuntu is not there fault they do an amazing job considering that there is only two of them and they work unpaid in there spare time. I also want to say a big thank you to the mono team for producing such an great product, and I wish you the best of luck for the future. Yes I might moan and complain about how out of date mono is on ubuntu, but I really to appreciate the work you guys do. It has made developing Wide Margin a breeze. Cheers, Daniel On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Bojan Rajkovic severedcr...@gmail.comwrote: On May 16, 2011, at 11:43 PM, Daniel Hughes wrote: Currently all my volunteer time is going into Wide Margin. And I foresee it taking up all my time in the near future. However my suggestion is that the mono project drops open suse and instead supports ubuntu. This would require no extra effort. And would get the latest mono to a larger user base. This is where you're wrong—it would require extra effort. Not many of the Mono team members use Ubuntu (or any Debian-derivative, which means learning a whole new set of package management/building tools), and as Jon already pointed out, there are a very talented set of Debian packagers who do a much better job of making available proper packages for Debian and Debian derivatives than the Mono team ever could. There are better things for the newly-minted Xamarin team to focus on than duplicating work that is already done by two able and willing hands. If you want up-to-date Ubuntu packages, donate some cash or better yet, some time to either Mirco Bauer (meebey) or Jo Shields (directhex), who comprise the Mono packaging tag-team for Debian. On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Slide slide.o@gmail.com wrote: I'm sure no one would mind if you volunteered to help out. On May 16, 2011 7:36 PM, Daniel Hughes tramps...@gmail.com wrote: I looking for upto date packages, Im still waiting for 2.8 packages and 2.10 packages. So what I'm looking for is when a new version of mono is released on the same day the new Ubuntu packages are available. Not a year or two or three later. On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Jonathan Pobst mon...@jpobst.com wrote: On 5/16/2011 8:45 PM, Daniel Hughes wrote: Can we expect official ubuntu support going forward? How do you define official ubuntu support? The community has excellent Ubuntu packagers who know the best way to package Mono for Ubuntu, and submit these packages for inclusion in the official Ubuntu releases. So the short of it is: Mono is already packaged and included in Ubuntu. What more than that would you like to see? Jonathan —Bojan ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] ubuntu support
Just in case anyone cares about the numbers. The stats from Wikimedia (think Wikipedia users) for market share are as follows: Ubuntu: 0.72% market share Open SUSE: 0.05% of market share So ubuntu has 14 times more users then Open SUSE. That's an order of magnitude more users! http://stats.wikimedia.org/archive/squid_reports/2011-03/SquidReportOperatingSystems.htm The mono project can continue to ignore these numbers and pretend they will go away. Or embrace the opportunity that these numbers represent. On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Daniel Hughes tramps...@gmail.com wrote: How many of the mono team will want to continue to use an operation system from the company which has treated them so badly? I guess only time will tell. By the way I want to say a big thanks for the work that Mirco Bauer (meebey) and Jo Shields (directhex) does, I have thanked directhex many times myself. The sad state of mono on ubuntu is not there fault they do an amazing job considering that there is only two of them and they work unpaid in there spare time. I also want to say a big thank you to the mono team for producing such an great product, and I wish you the best of luck for the future. Yes I might moan and complain about how out of date mono is on ubuntu, but I really to appreciate the work you guys do. It has made developing Wide Margin a breeze. Cheers, Daniel On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Bojan Rajkovic severedcr...@gmail.comwrote: On May 16, 2011, at 11:43 PM, Daniel Hughes wrote: Currently all my volunteer time is going into Wide Margin. And I foresee it taking up all my time in the near future. However my suggestion is that the mono project drops open suse and instead supports ubuntu. This would require no extra effort. And would get the latest mono to a larger user base. This is where you're wrong—it would require extra effort. Not many of the Mono team members use Ubuntu (or any Debian-derivative, which means learning a whole new set of package management/building tools), and as Jon already pointed out, there are a very talented set of Debian packagers who do a much better job of making available proper packages for Debian and Debian derivatives than the Mono team ever could. There are better things for the newly-minted Xamarin team to focus on than duplicating work that is already done by two able and willing hands. If you want up-to-date Ubuntu packages, donate some cash or better yet, some time to either Mirco Bauer (meebey) or Jo Shields (directhex), who comprise the Mono packaging tag-team for Debian. On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Slide slide.o@gmail.com wrote: I'm sure no one would mind if you volunteered to help out. On May 16, 2011 7:36 PM, Daniel Hughes tramps...@gmail.com wrote: I looking for upto date packages, Im still waiting for 2.8 packages and 2.10 packages. So what I'm looking for is when a new version of mono is released on the same day the new Ubuntu packages are available. Not a year or two or three later. On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Jonathan Pobst mon...@jpobst.com wrote: On 5/16/2011 8:45 PM, Daniel Hughes wrote: Can we expect official ubuntu support going forward? How do you define official ubuntu support? The community has excellent Ubuntu packagers who know the best way to package Mono for Ubuntu, and submit these packages for inclusion in the official Ubuntu releases. So the short of it is: Mono is already packaged and included in Ubuntu. What more than that would you like to see? Jonathan —Bojan ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
