Re: [Monotone-devel] No sponsored hardware :(

[CooSoft Support]

Same here also... :-)

Tero Koskinen wrote:

Hello,

On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 14:54:20 +0200 Thomas Keller wrote:
  

Hi!

I was just notified that we didn't made it into the top 5 projects and
unfortunately got no hardware price from Thomas Krenn:

Is anyone here on the list which could offer us a Xen instance on his
physical server?

If not, who is willing to throw in some money to buy a server?



I can donate some modest sum. Although, does the Monotone project
have some money already?

I remember njs speaking about it a few years ago:
http://www.mail-archive.com/monotone-devel@nongnu.org/msg05877.html

  

Opinions and / or alternative offerings?



There is always Linode, but I don't know does it have as good
performance/money ratio as Netcup.

If we end up buying a VPS for the project how we handle all
the maintenance things? Do we need to care about the bus factor
of the maintainer(s)? (What happens if you get hit by a bus,
spend ten years in a coma, and we need to renew the VPS
subscription?)

And how the collection of money happens? Wire transfers
inside Europe are free (thanks to SEPA), but people outside
Europe might prefer other ways.

  

Thanks,
Thomas.



  



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Re: [Monotone-devel] No sponsored hardware :(

[Philipp Gröschler]

On 24.08.2010 13:04, Lapo Luchini wrote:

Due to the IPv4 address shortage the provider is now requesting "good
reasons" in order to receive any IPv4 address after the first (and up to
4 max), so I'm not *sure* I can guarantee that (but I hope so, and there
can be ways to avoid the need for that, with a bit of tinkering).


If there would be help needed for arguing, then I'm offering to jump in. 
Hetzner is located only a few KM from here, and I casually had contact 
to their support.


But I don't think that one more extra IP is posing such a problem, 
moreover there are reasonable arguments for one.


Maybe they only have that shortage because they've been squandering 
dedicated servers with a full /29 subnet the last couple of years ;)


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Re: [Monotone-devel] No sponsored hardware :(

[Philipp Gröschler]

On 23.08.2010 19:35, Tero Koskinen wrote:

If we end up buying a VPS for the project how we handle all
the maintenance things? Do we need to care about the bus factor
of the maintainer(s)? (What happens if you get hit by a bus,
spend ten years in a coma, and we need to renew the VPS
subscription?)


The core developers should share all accounting information, maybe 
through a private section in the Wiki or by other means (snail mail is 
also a lot quicker than it used to be 30 years ago. I'm drifting here).


For the payment there could be some online bank account which has all 
core developers registered as holders. There are lots of offers which 
don't come with an additional fee.


Also the VPS hoster should know that there are several people in charge. 
We once had problems when we shared our dedicated server among a few 
people, the server support refused to speak to anybody except to the one 
who originally sealed the deal, which is not necessarily the person with 
the most available spare time, availability, whatever ;)


(Side note: I wouldn't go as far as establishing some own NPO, that 
usually implies more problems than it solves)



And how the collection of money happens? Wire transfers
inside Europe are free (thanks to SEPA), but people outside
Europe might prefer other ways.


The Flattr-Project seems to work good for a few blogs and websites I 
regularly visit, and Paypal is planning a micropayment system, too. The 
other story is if one likes using those services, but it could be a 
start for people from outside of europe.


Also there could be some nice "Please donate" buttons on the starting 
page. (Of course with their image files mirrored locally, for terms of 
privacy protection. At least Flattr explicitly allows that).


On 23.08.2010 14:54, Thomas Keller wrote:
> If not, who is willing to throw in some money to buy a server?

Count on me there :)

> Opinions and / or alternative offerings?

I was shortly thinking about offering some place on my own VPS, which is 
quite bored most of the day. But it has very limited hardware compared 
to the offer on Netcup, also I don't have unlimited traffic.


Are there some statistics about average memory usage (excluding Apache 
and MySQL, which are running either way) and monthly traffic? What about 
peak usage around the release dates?


So far ...

Philipp

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Re: [Monotone-devel] No sponsored hardware :(

[Thomas Keller]

Am 23.08.10 19:35, schrieb Tero Koskinen:
> Hello,
> 
> On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 14:54:20 +0200 Thomas Keller wrote:
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>> I was just notified that we didn't made it into the top 5 projects and
>> unfortunately got no hardware price from Thomas Krenn:
>>
>> Is anyone here on the list which could offer us a Xen instance on his
>> physical server?
>>
>> If not, who is willing to throw in some money to buy a server?
> 
> I can donate some modest sum. 

Thank you!

> Although, does the Monotone project
> have some money already?
> 
> I remember njs speaking about it a few years ago:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/monotone-devel@nongnu.org/msg05877.html

Unfortunately not, as far as I remember this was used to sponsor people
getting to the last big summit in 2007. We asked for this money already
in the summit the year after, and it was already spent.

>> Opinions and / or alternative offerings?
> 
> There is always Linode, but I don't know does it have as good
> performance/money ratio as Netcup.

Unfortunately not, their cheapest packages is almost 1,5x the price with
only 512MB RAM:

> If we end up buying a VPS for the project how we handle all
> the maintenance things? Do we need to care about the bus factor
> of the maintainer(s)? (What happens if you get hit by a bus,
> spend ten years in a coma, and we need to renew the VPS
> subscription?)

The administrative side of things is one of the reasons why we want to
do that at all, i.e. a small group of people gets root access to the
server. Currently this group consists of Thomas Moschny, Richard Levitte
and me. We could of course not only share root access amongst these
people, but also billing / customer login data.

> And how the collection of money happens? Wire transfers
> inside Europe are free (thanks to SEPA), but people outside
> Europe might prefer other ways.

The easiest, probably not the cheapest, is PayPal, but I think if people
are willing to spend money at all, we should surely be able to find a
proper way to collect it.

Thomas.

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Re: [Monotone-devel] No sponsored hardware :(

[Tero Koskinen]

Hello,

On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 14:54:20 +0200 Thomas Keller wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> I was just notified that we didn't made it into the top 5 projects and
> unfortunately got no hardware price from Thomas Krenn:
> 
> Is anyone here on the list which could offer us a Xen instance on his
> physical server?
> 
> If not, who is willing to throw in some money to buy a server?

I can donate some modest sum. Although, does the Monotone project
have some money already?

I remember njs speaking about it a few years ago:
http://www.mail-archive.com/monotone-devel@nongnu.org/msg05877.html

> Opinions and / or alternative offerings?

There is always Linode, but I don't know does it have as good
performance/money ratio as Netcup.

If we end up buying a VPS for the project how we handle all
the maintenance things? Do we need to care about the bus factor
of the maintainer(s)? (What happens if you get hit by a bus,
spend ten years in a coma, and we need to renew the VPS
subscription?)

And how the collection of money happens? Wire transfers
inside Europe are free (thanks to SEPA), but people outside
Europe might prefer other ways.

> Thanks,
> Thomas.

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[Monotone-devel] No sponsored hardware :(

[Thomas Keller]

Hi!

I was just notified that we didn't made it into the top 5 projects and
unfortunately got no hardware price from Thomas Krenn:



This means that we should approach plan B, namely heading to get some
cheap or sponsored virtual server as permanent and together
administerable machine for monotone.

Is anyone here on the list which could offer us a Xen instance on his
physical server?

If not, who is willing to throw in some money to buy a server? I have
good experiences with netcup (www.netcup.de) and there second smallest
V-Server offering looks like a good deal:



i.e. 3GHz CPU, 1GB RAM (boostable to 2GB), 30GB HDD, 1 IP inclusive. If
we want to change to another domain, we, that means, Graydon, could also
save the annual domain fee. For the above offer, we'd need 9 EUR/month
or 96 EUR/year. We could probably save a little more if we find an offer
with less guaranteed RAM (f.e. 768MB, boost up to 1500GB), but we
shouldn't go under 768 guaranteed, as the things which will be hosted
there are surely RAM-hungry.

Opinions and / or alternative offerings?

Thanks,
Thomas.

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