Re: [Monotone-devel] monotone.ca can now be used as a server
On Wed, Jun 27, 2007 at 09:35:29AM +0200, Richard Levitte wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Wed, 27 Jun 2007 09:22:04 +0200, Thomas > Moschny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > thomas.moschny> > For monotone.ca, that would be me. As it is, it's > currently up to > thomas.moschny> > each server admin. > thomas.moschny> > thomas.moschny> As it is the /public/ key, would there be concerns against > posting it here? > > No, none whatsoever. No confidentiality concerns over publishing it, but there may very clearly be integrity concerns over a relying party using such a key for various purposes, like granting access to the server. Just nitpicking against the overly strong 'none whatsoever' comment, but it's rather important to keep such nits in mind. -- Dan. pgpGklfOaXhVD.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Monotone-devel mailing list Monotone-devel@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/monotone-devel
Re: [Monotone-devel] monotone.ca can now be used as a server
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Wed, 27 Jun 2007 03:58:30 -0400, Stephen Leake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: stephen_leake> Hmm. The first time around, I did stephen_leake> stephen_leake> mtn genkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] stephen_leake> stephen_leake> 'mtn help genkey' says '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' is the "keyid". stephen_leake> So I guess you mean I need to use a different keyid this time around. stephen_leake> stephen_leake> I understand that in general a mtn database must have different keyids stephen_leake> for different keys. But it would seem this is a reasonable case for stephen_leake> replacing a key value, rather than adding a new one. Hmm. I guess stephen_leake> there are certs in the mtn database with my old key, and you want to stephen_leake> maintain the keyid for those. So you'd need some sort of alias stephen_leake> mechanism. Actually, the reason that key IDs must be unique is that the table that stores them is indexed by, you guessed it, unique key IDs. To this day, I still can't understand that decision, it has created more problems than it has solved, as far as I can see. The key table SHOULD (in my opinion) be indexed by key fingerprint or something like that. But then, I come from the PKI world, where this is common sense... 'nuff wining... Cheers, Richard - Please consider sponsoring my work on free software. See http://www.free.lp.se/sponsoring.html for details. -- Richard Levitte [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://richard.levitte.org/ "When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up." -- C.S. Lewis ___ Monotone-devel mailing list Monotone-devel@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/monotone-devel
Re: [Monotone-devel] monotone.ca can now be used as a server
Richard Levitte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Tue, 26 Jun 2007 09:21:46 -0400, Stephen > Leake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > stephen_leake> Apropos of that, I recently upgraded my laptop and lost > stephen_leake> my monotone public key. > stephen_leake> > stephen_leake> So I need my write permissions on monotone.venge.net > stephen_leake> reestablished. > > Make sure your new key has a different identity. Hmm. The first time around, I did mtn genkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] 'mtn help genkey' says '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' is the "keyid". So I guess you mean I need to use a different keyid this time around. I understand that in general a mtn database must have different keyids for different keys. But it would seem this is a reasonable case for replacing a key value, rather than adding a new one. Hmm. I guess there are certs in the mtn database with my old key, and you want to maintain the keyid for those. So you'd need some sort of alias mechanism. Here's my new key: [pubkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIGfMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4GNADCBiQKBgQDFUAqrcfcztcj1KGHBDyq3kLxAQ+xv+ZqA GNjUcZz9YbIil9Eg5CtjImAjb+pliqsFhN7aC5cUNwuW84Xn8kFYydL9+nBItUCml3kOVGNN vOdzEw4DmJPSMesp+vcwtARsTpab+QGkaGL1hhS81q9idGUq8iSWf3j8D2JnTCUT/QIDAQAB [end] I have stuff to push for the n.v.m.basic_io.inventory branch. -- -- Stephe ___ Monotone-devel mailing list Monotone-devel@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/monotone-devel
Re: [Monotone-devel] monotone.ca can now be used as a server
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Wed, 27 Jun 2007 09:22:04 +0200, Thomas Moschny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: thomas.moschny> > For monotone.ca, that would be me. As it is, it's currently up to thomas.moschny> > each server admin. thomas.moschny> thomas.moschny> As it is the /public/ key, would there be concerns against posting it here? No, none whatsoever. Cheers, Richard - Please consider sponsoring my work on free software. See http://www.free.lp.se/sponsoring.html for details. -- Richard Levitte [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://richard.levitte.org/ "When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up." -- C.S. Lewis ___ Monotone-devel mailing list Monotone-devel@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/monotone-devel
Re: [Monotone-devel] monotone.ca can now be used as a server
On Wednesday 27 June 2007, Richard Levitte wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Tue, 26 Jun 2007 09:21:46 > -0400, Stephen Leake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > stephen_leake> Apropos of that, I recently upgraded my laptop and lost > stephen_leake> my monotone public key. > stephen_leake> > stephen_leake> So I need my write permissions on monotone.venge.net > stephen_leake> reestablished. > > Make sure your new key has a different identity. > > stephen_leake> Who do I send the key to? or should I just post it here? > > For monotone.ca, that would be me. As it is, it's currently up to > each server admin. As it is the /public/ key, would there be concerns against posting it here? Regards, Thomas pgpaizEc1USqP.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Monotone-devel mailing list Monotone-devel@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/monotone-devel
Re: [Monotone-devel] monotone.ca can now be used as a server
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Wed, 27 Jun 2007 08:55:07 +0200 (CEST), Richard Levitte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: richard> stephen_leake> Who do I send the key to? or should I just richard> stephen_leake> post it here? richard> richard> For monotone.ca, that would be me. As it is, it's currently richard> up to each server admin. This will, of course, change when Timothy has finished his Awesome Pre-Policy Branches Policy Stuff ;-) Cheers, Richard - Please consider sponsoring my work on free software. See http://www.free.lp.se/sponsoring.html for details. -- Richard Levitte [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://richard.levitte.org/ "When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up." -- C.S. Lewis ___ Monotone-devel mailing list Monotone-devel@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/monotone-devel
Re: [Monotone-devel] monotone.ca can now be used as a server
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Tue, 26 Jun 2007 09:21:46 -0400, Stephen Leake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: stephen_leake> Apropos of that, I recently upgraded my laptop and lost stephen_leake> my monotone public key. stephen_leake> stephen_leake> So I need my write permissions on monotone.venge.net stephen_leake> reestablished. Make sure your new key has a different identity. stephen_leake> Who do I send the key to? or should I just post it here? For monotone.ca, that would be me. As it is, it's currently up to each server admin. Cheers, Richard -- Richard Levitte [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://richard.levitte.org/ "When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up." -- C.S. Lewis ___ Monotone-devel mailing list Monotone-devel@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/monotone-devel
Re: [Monotone-devel] monotone.ca can now be used as a server
Nathaniel Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sun, Jun 24, 2007 at 09:29:12AM +0200, Richard Levitte wrote: >> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Sat, 23 Jun 2007 22:22:46 -0700, Nathaniel >> Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> njs> Discussion question: should I restart it, or shall we just call >> njs> monotone.ca the official server? >> >> Nothing can stop you from restarting if you want ;-). > > Obviously not. For right now, though, and pending any future Awesome > Cluster Stuff, what should we be putting on the webpage to tell people > where to get stuff, and who should be in charge of managing the > permissions list? Apropos of that, I recently upgraded my laptop and lost my monotone public key. So I need my write permissions on monotone.venge.net reestablished. Who do I send the key to? or should I just post it here? Thanks, -- -- Stephe ___ Monotone-devel mailing list Monotone-devel@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/monotone-devel
Re: [Monotone-devel] monotone.ca can now be used as a server
Daniel Carosone wrote: > When Awesome Cluster Stuff happens, we could have mtn.monotone.ca (or > pool.monotone.ca or whatever name) list A records for all of the > cluster members, and in turn point the buildbots, CIA, etc at that. seconded ___ Monotone-devel mailing list Monotone-devel@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/monotone-devel
Re: [Monotone-devel] monotone.ca can now be used as a server
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Sun, 24 Jun 2007 22:26:54 -0700, Nathaniel Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: njs> On Sun, Jun 24, 2007 at 09:29:12AM +0200, Richard Levitte wrote: njs> > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Sat, 23 Jun 2007 22:22:46 -0700, Nathaniel Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: njs> > njs> Discussion question: should I restart it, or shall we just njs> > njs> call monotone.ca the official server? njs> > njs> > Nothing can stop you from restarting if you want ;-). njs> njs> Obviously not. For right now, though, and pending any future njs> Awesome Cluster Stuff, what should we be putting on the webpage njs> to tell people where to get stuff, and who should be in charge of njs> managing the permissions list? Good questions. The Awesome Cluster Stuff, as you call it, will not solve the question of who should be in charge of managing the permissions list. The simple answer is that I currently have no idea. Ideas are as welcome as patches ;-). By the way, I think you should restart your server either way, if not for anything else then because the buildbots depend on it, and releasing (according to the notes about that) depend on the buildbots. We probably need to rethink how the buildbots update their stuff, but I think we need to implement the, what did ya call it?, oh, Awesome Cluster Stuff first. Cheers, Richard - Please consider sponsoring my work on free software. See http://www.free.lp.se/sponsoring.html for details. -- Richard Levitte [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://richard.levitte.org/ "When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up." -- C.S. Lewis ___ Monotone-devel mailing list Monotone-devel@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/monotone-devel
Re: [Monotone-devel] monotone.ca can now be used as a server
On Sun, Jun 24, 2007 at 10:26:54PM -0700, Nathaniel Smith wrote: > For right now, though, and pending any future Awesome > Cluster Stuff, what should we be putting on the webpage to tell people > where to get stuff, and who should be in charge of managing the > permissions list? Given that CIA and buildbots and viewmtn look at venge.net, restarting that now seems helpful... When Awesome Cluster Stuff happens, we could have mtn.monotone.ca (or pool.monotone.ca or whatever name) list A records for all of the cluster members, and in turn point the buildbots, CIA, etc at that. -- Dan. pgpkWbauYu6gV.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Monotone-devel mailing list Monotone-devel@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/monotone-devel
Re: [Monotone-devel] monotone.ca can now be used as a server
On Sun, Jun 24, 2007 at 09:29:12AM +0200, Richard Levitte wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Sat, 23 Jun 2007 22:22:46 -0700, Nathaniel > Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > njs> Discussion question: should I restart it, or shall we just call > njs> monotone.ca the official server? > > Nothing can stop you from restarting if you want ;-). Obviously not. For right now, though, and pending any future Awesome Cluster Stuff, what should we be putting on the webpage to tell people where to get stuff, and who should be in charge of managing the permissions list? -- Nathaniel -- Details are all that matters; God dwells there, and you never get to see Him if you don't struggle to get them right. -- Stephen Jay Gould ___ Monotone-devel mailing list Monotone-devel@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/monotone-devel
Re: [Monotone-devel] monotone.ca can now be used as a server
Richard Levitte schrieb: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Sun, 24 Jun 2007 09:03:31 -0500, Timothy > Brownawell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > tbrownaw> > or shall we just call monotone.ca the official server? > tbrownaw> > tbrownaw> Why have just one? > > Considering the nature of monotone, that's a valid question. From a > development point of view, however, there's the wish to have a certain > level of synchronisation. Of course, when we have a working cluster > in place, that's not such an issue, but until then... I'm seconding the idea of several nodes which are kept in sync, but I'm argueing for now that it would be nice to define _one_ node which is the main one against to sync because of mainly three reasons: a) there is no proper distributed network of monotone servers built until now b) because of this people may have a hard time to figure out where to get the recent changes c) and unless we pick venge.net as the main server node for now, I'd also vote for configuring CIA back to work for any new node (f.e. monotone.ca) Thomas. -- ICQ: 85945241 | SIP: 1-747-027-0392 | http://www.thomaskeller.biz > Guitone, a frontend for monotone: http://guitone.thomaskeller.biz > Music lyrics and more: http://musicmademe.com ___ Monotone-devel mailing list Monotone-devel@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/monotone-devel
Re: [Monotone-devel] monotone.ca can now be used as a server
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Sun, 24 Jun 2007 09:03:31 -0500, Timothy Brownawell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: tbrownaw> > or shall we just call monotone.ca the official server? tbrownaw> tbrownaw> Why have just one? Considering the nature of monotone, that's a valid question. From a development point of view, however, there's the wish to have a certain level of synchronisation. Of course, when we have a working cluster in place, that's not such an issue, but until then... Cheers, Richard - Please consider sponsoring my work on free software. See http://www.free.lp.se/sponsoring.html for details. -- Richard Levitte [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://richard.levitte.org/ "When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up." -- C.S. Lewis ___ Monotone-devel mailing list Monotone-devel@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/monotone-devel
Re: [Monotone-devel] monotone.ca can now be used as a server
On Sat, 2007-06-23 at 22:22 -0700, Nathaniel Smith wrote: > On Sun, Jun 24, 2007 at 03:13:08AM +0200, Richard Levitte wrote: > > because of the current trouble reaching venge.net, I've set up > > monotone.ca to be an alternate server. Everyone who has signed a cert > > in the monotone set of branches has write access, since it's > > reasonably likely that those signators also have write access for > > venge.net. > > Back in town, it looks like the problem at this point is just that > venge.net crashed/got rebooted 4 days ago, and the netsync server > didn't restart automatically. > > Discussion question: should I restart it, Sure, the more the merrier. :) > or shall we just call > monotone.ca the official server? Why have just one? -- Timothy Free (experimental) public monotone hosting: http://mtn-host.prjek.net ___ Monotone-devel mailing list Monotone-devel@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/monotone-devel
Re: [Monotone-devel] monotone.ca can now be used as a server
On Sun, Jun 24, 2007 at 09:29:12AM +0200, Richard Levitte wrote: > njs> Discussion question: should I restart it, or shall we just call > njs> monotone.ca the official server? > > Nothing can stop you from restarting if you want ;-). > > I would like to set up a cluster of servers, and I can definitely see > monotone.ca and venge.net as the first starting points, if you want. If/when the clustering and read/write-permission issues are sorted, I can (depending on how much traffic is generated) offer a server based in London for monotone. Matthew ___ Monotone-devel mailing list Monotone-devel@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/monotone-devel
Re: [Monotone-devel] monotone.ca can now be used as a server
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Sat, 23 Jun 2007 22:22:46 -0700, Nathaniel Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: njs> On Sun, Jun 24, 2007 at 03:13:08AM +0200, Richard Levitte wrote: njs> > because of the current trouble reaching venge.net, I've set up njs> > monotone.ca to be an alternate server. Everyone who has signed njs> > a cert in the monotone set of branches has write access, since njs> > it's reasonably likely that those signators also have write njs> > access for venge.net. njs> njs> Back in town, it looks like the problem at this point is just njs> that venge.net crashed/got rebooted 4 days ago, and the netsync njs> server didn't restart automatically. njs> njs> Discussion question: should I restart it, or shall we just call njs> monotone.ca the official server? Nothing can stop you from restarting if you want ;-). I would like to set up a cluster of servers, and I can definitely see monotone.ca and venge.net as the first starting points, if you want. As it is right now, I can easily set up monotone.ca to mirror venge.net (it kind of does, but the mirror isn't pushed into the published database, yet, it's basically only used to post notifications). I intend to hack the clustering scripts to make use of the new server initiated sync/push/pull hook, which would make this kind of thing even easier in the future. What needs to be figured out is a way to synchronise read-permissions and write-permissions. I'm assuming that a separate database and server that only contains that kind of information could be a way to move the data around. When I come to think of it, maybe this is the boot that will finally kick our asses into finally implementing policy branches? ;-) Cheers, Richard - Please consider sponsoring my work on free software. See http://www.free.lp.se/sponsoring.html for details. -- Richard Levitte [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://richard.levitte.org/ "When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up." -- C.S. Lewis ___ Monotone-devel mailing list Monotone-devel@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/monotone-devel
Re: [Monotone-devel] monotone.ca can now be used as a server
On Sun, Jun 24, 2007 at 03:13:08AM +0200, Richard Levitte wrote: > because of the current trouble reaching venge.net, I've set up > monotone.ca to be an alternate server. Everyone who has signed a cert > in the monotone set of branches has write access, since it's > reasonably likely that those signators also have write access for > venge.net. Back in town, it looks like the problem at this point is just that venge.net crashed/got rebooted 4 days ago, and the netsync server didn't restart automatically. Discussion question: should I restart it, or shall we just call monotone.ca the official server? -- Nathaniel -- "Of course, the entire effort is to put oneself Outside the ordinary range Of what are called statistics." -- Stephan Spender ___ Monotone-devel mailing list Monotone-devel@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/monotone-devel
[Monotone-devel] monotone.ca can now be used as a server
Hello, because of the current trouble reaching venge.net, I've set up monotone.ca to be an alternate server. Everyone who has signed a cert in the monotone set of branches has write access, since it's reasonably likely that those signators also have write access for venge.net. If anyone feels excluded, please tell me. Cheers, Richard - Please consider sponsoring my work on free software. See http://www.free.lp.se/sponsoring.html for details. -- Richard Levitte [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://richard.levitte.org/ "When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up." -- C.S. Lewis ___ Monotone-devel mailing list Monotone-devel@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/monotone-devel
