Re: [MOPO] More Universal Fakes

[jbohmss]

 I would also add that the Universal cards that are in question are not just 
the printed on linen type but also the later cards on card. 

 

 

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From: Sean Linkenback 
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Sent: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 22:03
Subject: [MOPO] More Universal Fakes


Just a quick update after talking with collectors this past week and in 
reviewing the information from Jaime Mendez's testimony in court, there most 
definitely are reproductions made of Creature From the Black Lagoon lobbies (at 
least the title card and best scene card so far) and even more amazingly there 
is at least one confirmed 6-sheet now (from Abbott & Costello Meet 
Frankenstein)!
I thought it remarkable before in learning that there were fake 3-sheets made 
in addition to the one-sheets, but i am truly stunned in learning that there 
was also at least one 6-sheet made.
 
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Re: [MOPO] should ebay tell you what to charge on postage?

[James Richard]

Michael,

Thanks. Yes, the tip may well prove useful when I start listing books 
and old pulp magazines again (don't know when that will be). This limit 
to $4.00 shipping is the dumbest "better idea" from Ebay ever. If they 
were going to set a limit at all, one would have thought they would have 
had enough sense to make it at least the minimum Priority Mail rate (up 
to $5.00 now I think). As a seller, I would never ship any kind of 
remotely valuable book via Media Mail. I've had too many problems with 
it in the past. Besides, most buyers want to use Priority Mail simply 
because it is so much faster than Media Mail and only costs $1 to $2 
bucks more.


I suppose another way around it would be to list the postage at $4.00 
for media mail and then in the description say that if the seller wanted 
to upgrade to Priority Mail that the charge would be whatever. Or you 
could add a $2.00 "handling charge" in the description and tell people 
that includes a free upgrade to Priority Mail. A lot of hassle for no 
good reason, tho. If Ebay thinks the reason their sales are off is 
because sellers are charging too much shipping, they simply aren't 
facing the reality of the current economic situation (which is NOT 
getting any better, despite media propaganda to the contrary).


-- JR

Michael B wrote:
ebay has tried to get sellers to INCLUDE postage.  it didn't really 
catch on.  and of course, ebay commissions exclude postage, so if you 
have a buy-it-now item WITH postage, ebay is earning a few extra cents 
per transaction.  if ebay really wanted to encourage FREE SHIPPING, 
THEY WOULD EXEMPT a portion of the sales price from the commission 
calculation WHEN SHIPPING IS FREE.
 
SO NOW ebay  LIMITS SHIPPING FEES in certain categories such as books, 
and recordings (cd, dvds, etc.).  Books are limited to $4.00 shipping, 
and if you list a book for higher, your listing is rejected.  There is 
no way to pack and ship the best book for collectors REEL ART by 
Rebello for $4.00.  It is just too huge.  Or, a multi book lot cannot 
be shipped for a mere 4.00.  And if you do not use Media Rate (and 
some sellers only ship via Priority Mail), then the cost will always 
exceed 4.00 for long distance mailings.  The delivery confirmation is 
75/85cents.  Tape, bubble wrap, etc.  Boy is ebay generous with the 
money of sellers.
 
BUT---if you have a huge book or multi book lot that you 
want to list in the BOOK category and want a fair postage amount, it 
can be done, as follows:
 
1.  list you item in a non-regulated category.

2.  Once listed, CHANGE CATEGORY.
 
I AM NOT SUGGESTING YOU DO THIS, BUT I LEARNED THIS WHEN I MOVED ONE 
OF MY BOOKS TO THE BOOK CATEGORY, AND THE POSTAGE EXCEEDED 4.00.
 
I do not believe people should make excess profits from shipping fees, 
but ebay is unreaslistic.
 
NOW, AS EBAY SAYS, has this information been helpful?
 
 
michael
 
 
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Re: [MOPO] More Universal Fakes

[James Richard]

Sean,

I agree, a 6-sheet normally wouldn't "make sense" to forge in most 
cases. I suspect that Kerry had a well-heeled client who was looking 
specifically for a 6-sheet for A&C Meet F and was willing to pay a big 
premium to get it, so Kerry had Jamie make one to order. Still, the mind 
boggles. It is six times the work of a 1-sheet and then some (because 
you have to get a good high-resolution scan of the original 6-sheet 
artwork so you could print one up from scratch on a high-end large 
format printer). I would have thought the amount of money one could get 
for a six sheet of A&C meet F versus what a decent forgery cost wouldn't 
have been worth the effort (but apparently it was).


This has to be the most bizarre scam operation ever.

-- JR

Sean Linkenback wrote:
Just a quick update after talking with collectors this past week and 
in reviewing the information from Jaime Mendez's testimony in court, 
there most definitely are reproductions made of /Creature From the 
Black Lagoon/ lobbies (at least the title card and best scene card so 
far) and even more amazingly there is at least one confirmed 6-sheet 
now (from /Abbott & Costello Meet Frankenstein/)!
I thought it remarkable before in learning that there were fake 
3-sheets made in addition to the one-sheets, but i am truly stunned in 
learning that there was also at least one 6-sheet made.
 
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Re: [MOPO] New Poster Forum/Group

[Andy Neal]

I guess an alternative is not a
problem as long as it doesn't end up being full of trash or end up with loads
of porn on it or mindless drivel. As you may or may not know I moderate MPF,
myself and the majority of its members consider it to be a professional forum,
with advertising which is no way to be fround out, I know one person that does
as he brings it up a fair amount of time but that is because they have tried it
and failed and still have the nerve to talk about it like it's a sin which is
in itself hypocritical.



Mopo can't be moderated except for banning people as it is a mailing
list/discussion group and not a forum. But I love it and have been a member for
years as it is civilised 99% of the time. I know very little about Scott as he
rarely posts or gets involved, not too sure what else he is involved with if
anything at all but MoPo works and is a total success in my eyes, god forbid
anything happening to Scott or we're screwed, I hope he has a backup generator
:-)



My only word of advice is outline any rules right from the off and moderate it
when required or you will just end up with a very amateur forum full of
playground antics, Also turn a blind eye to any 2-faced people you may
encounter along the journey...This is from 4+ years of Movie Poster forum
ownership and experience...Best of luck Thiery and Holiday with the new forum
venture. I won't be
joining, that isn't because of any fears of competition, my priority is to
concentrate on MPF and it can be time consuming sometimes.



I am a new generation Movie Poster Collector with an old head on, it doesn't
have to be one or the other and it doesn't have to be judge or be judged, we
live in the year 2009, a civilised era!? Let’s make 2010 civilised too.



Anyway, I'm sure most mopo'ers are bored of all this forum talk now and want to
talk about movie posters so I'll get off my soap box now.



Andy

President of The Movie Poster Forum

www.movieposterforum.com

  
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[MOPO] Fwd: [MOPO] Dissing the last couple of decades?

[Holiday Russell]

Sorry for the delay.  I'm out of town and just got to the email.

You're thoughts are well-taken JR, to an extent.  It's hard to translate the 
theory that all posters are mass produced and given endless distribution, to 
posters throughout the world.  For instance, this is not the case with Japanese 
posters, especially the larger b1 sized posters which I tend to collect.

Also, while movie posters may be be produced for the consumer market, they are 
produced more often as a size smaller than 27x40.  Also, they typically are not 
produced as double sided posters.

The main thing I want to suggest an alternative to, however, is your statement 
of "if there is a need for yet another movie poster discussion group"  We 
are NOT a "movie poster" discussion group.  We are a group that discusses all 
posters, hence the name, allposterforum.com  

Holiday

Begin forwarded message:

> From: James Richard 
> Date: December 20, 2009 4:31:31 AM EST
> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
> Subject: [MOPO] Dissing the last couple of decades?
> Reply-To: James Richard 
> 
> No, we are not discounting material from the last two decades, but the 
> studios and distributors certainly are. Modern movie posters are produced in 
> staggering quantities compared to the number of posters which used to be 
> produced for films 20 or 30 years ago. Besides needing vast quantities to 
> accommodate the new business model of achieving saturation global release 
> within a few weeks, modern theatrical movie posters are now also printed and 
> sold directly into the consumer market as retail items for $9.95 each. And 
> they keep printing up new batches as long as demand remains steady.
> 
> And there are now tens of thousands of movie poster collectors and dealers 
> picking up multiple copies of modern movie posters in rolled mint condition 
> for a few bucks each and socking them away against the time "they come into 
> their own" -- something that didn't happen much before 1975 or so.
> 
> All of this combines to prevent most modern posters from ever becoming 
> "collectibles" in the classic sense of the word, which is to say that damn 
> few of them will ever be hard to come by, and will be readily available in 
> like-new condition 20 or even 40 years from now. Certainly they are 
> collectible as commercial advertising paper for whatever artistic appeal they 
> may have, but I can't see them "coming into their own" as collectibles 
> compared to the limited-quantity posters of earlier decades. There will be 
> (already are) exceptions, of course, such as the occasional very 
> limited-quantity special advance-version, etc. And I've been surprised to see 
> the theatrical posters from the LORD OF THE RINGS films going for as much as 
> they have recently, a mere 10 years after their initial release. I mean, 
> they've printed up zillions of those things. And I think some of them are 
> still being printed to this day.
> 
> But your point is well taken: If there is a need for yet another movie poster 
> discussion group/forum, it would be for one with a dedicated focus on 
> post-1990 posters.
> 
> -- JR
> 
> Holiday Russell wrote:
>> And are we to discount material from the last to decades as uncollectable?  
>> That seems rather closed-minded.  There is a new generation of collectors 
>> like me who concentrate on hypermodern material because the classic material 
>> is mostly unatainable but for the wealthy.  Moreover, the posters that you 
>> so quickly discount and insult now will, over the next decades, come into 
>> their own.  Great collections are not built upon only classics - they are 
>> built upon individual vision and tastes.  Whether or not you like the 
>> subject of the collection, I defy you to find another of its ken.  
>> Btw, you reviewed a collection of 3000 posters in how much time to allow you 
>> to pass judgment on me, sir?
>> 
>> 
> 
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[MOPO] Fwd: [MOPO] New Poster Forum/Group

[Holiday Russell]

"all of the groups"?  For movie posters, what is there other than NS4, Mopo and 
MPF?

And, again, if we were limited to just movie posters, I would be the first to 
agree that there's no need for another forum beyond the three that already 
exist.  But we are not so limited.

There is no other site that discusses posters outside of movie posters.  That's 
the niche we're trying to fill.  Believe it or not, there are other collectable 
types of posters, and thus far, they have been given short shrift in the online 
world.

Holiday

Begin forwarded message:

> From: James Richard 
> Date: December 20, 2009 4:01:24 AM EST
> To: Holiday Russell 
> Cc: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
> Subject: Re: [MOPO] New Poster Forum/Group
> 
> Holiday,
> 
> I, for one, don't question your intentions -- but I do question the need for 
> yet another movie poster collecting group/forum. It's a relatively small 
> field of collecting, total population wise, and already saturated with places 
> to talk. One could spend a lifetime actively participating in all of the 
> groups already in existence.
> 
> -- JR
> 
> Holiday Russell wrote:
>> 
>> Ns4 is cool too.  Mpf also is - I have struggled to make clear that ours is 
>> an addition, not an alternative, to anyone who cares to participate.  
>> 
>> Holiday
>> 
>> 


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Re: [MOPO] More Universal Fakes

[Paul Gerrard]

 
Sean, do you know if these Creature cards are made in the same way as the  
earlier fakes, i.e. backs of real cards from same period with newly  printed 
fronts attached? Or just ones like those that are always on ebay,  for 
example from seller lobbyloftposters*com, perhaps with a bit of  'restoration' 
to make them look old?
 
As an aside, I saw a few curious CFTBL sets on ebay about 5 years  ago, 
perhaps to coincide with the 50th anniversary of the 1st release.  These seemed 
to be made up of repros of some of the original  cards, along with 
inventively created new cards, the difference being that  every card featured 
the 
creature! I think they were always sold  as repros originally, but inevitably 
I noticed somebody selling a  group of these recently as a 'flea-market 
find' (no reply when I  contacted the seller, but they sold low anyway). 
I kept a copy of a photo if people haven't seen them before:-
_http://www.flickr.com/photos/25584...@n08/4202503345/_ 
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/25584...@n08/4202503345/) 
 
Paul
_www.movieposterstudio.com_ (http://www.movieposterstudio.com) 
  
 
In a message dated 20/12/2009 22:04:13 GMT Standard Time,  
slinkenb...@comcast.net writes:

there  most definitely are reproductions made of Creature From the Black  
Lagoon lobbies (at least the title card and best scene card so  far)


 

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[MOPO] Fwd: [MOPO] Fwd: [MOPO] Fwd: [MOPO] New Poster Forum/Group

[Holiday Russell]

Funny, JR.  I don't know if there's a thing with the lawyers, but I'm sure that 
being a lawyer helps fund the insanity that seems to develop as a collector.  
I've not really participated in Mopo much in the past because it seemed to me 
that you folks tend to concentrate on older, classic material that I don't have 
a vested interest in as an owner of that paper.  What I mean is that it would 
be pure bs for me to comment on posters that I don't personally collect.  I 
like to talk safely from my own collecting experience.  But, now that I seem to 
have spearheaded the new-poster revolution, I'll take more of an active role as 
best I can next to some of the Mopo Masters.

Holiday

Begin forwarded message:

> From: John Waldman 
> Date: December 20, 2009 9:02:06 AM EST
> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
> Subject: Re: [MOPO] Fwd: [MOPO] Fwd: [MOPO] New Poster Forum/Group
> Reply-To: John Waldman 
> 
> Someone has to have the big bucks to buy those high priced posters!
> John W
> 
> From: James Richard 
> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
> Sent: Sun, December 20, 2009 3:56:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [MOPO] Fwd: [MOPO] Fwd: [MOPO] New Poster Forum/Group
> 
> Ohhh... good... another member of the bar on board. So now we can have even 
> more epic ONE MILLION BC style battles between Titans of Irrestible Logic 
> clashing with Immoveable Objections, whilst the rest of us cower behind the 
> paper mache boulders in the foreground of the big MOPO screen. OK, I kid... 
> welcome aboard Holiday, if you are in fact on board... but what is this deal 
> with lawyers and collecting movie posters anyway?
> 
> -- JR
> 
> Holiday Russell wrote:
>> 
>> Wow, did you not read my post?  I am the owner.  I gave my full name and a 
>> link to my collection.  I don't give a rats ass if you visit or not.  We are 
>> not a store and I'm not selling you anything.  You ARE a naysayer and you're 
>> one of those haughty-type mopo'ers that thinks your above all others.  I'm 
>> an attorney with 20 years of experience, a collector of many things over my 
>> life, and I am highly intelligent.  So intelligent that I can spot blowhard 
>> like you a mile away.  Please, do not visit us because we need not your 
>> type, Claude.
>> 
>> Just in case you missed it last time:
>> 
>> My name is Holiday Russell.  Yes, that is my real name.  If you care to 
>> check the Florida Bar's website to confim that you can.  I don't care one 
>> way or another.  I have one of the finest collections of advertising and 
>> Japanese posters in the World.  The next time you care to rant, don't assume 
>> that were all dumbasses.
>> 
>> Now, go take a pill, have a glass of wine or smoke a joint - just chill the 
>> frak out dude.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>>> From: Claude Litton 
>>> Date: December 19, 2009 10:07:06 AM EST
>>> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
>>> Subject: Re: [MOPO] Fwd: [MOPO] New Poster Forum/Group
>>> Reply-To: twoni...@aol.com
>>> 
>>> Why give me a load of nonsense?  The first page is written by Jaegermister. 
>>>  what is his real name.  Why can't you answer my question here on MoPo?  I 
>>> asked a simple question which was "Who are the serious collectors running 
>>> it?"  All I get from you is sarcasm, and a direction to go to the site.
>>>  
>>> If a new store opens and they want my business then they should supply me 
>>> with  proper information.  This includes where it is, what it sells, who 
>>> runs it, etc.  All you are doing is telling me to go there blindly and ask 
>>> questions.  Why should I do that?  You want members, don't you?  Then give 
>>> people information.  Is my question so difficult to answer that you have to 
>>> run in circles around it?
>>>  
>>> Why don't you answer my question instead of giving me prose and a 
>>> misdirected reply with the insinuation that I am "another naysayer".  I am 
>>> far from stupid and don't put up with your misguided thinking.  I am a 
>>> straightforward individual who obviously asked you a very difficult 
>>> question to answer. 
>>>  
>>> Claude Litton
>>>  
>>> In a message dated 12/18/2009 11:52:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
>>> hollyr...@mac.com writes:
>>> Love that tone Claude - there's a saying that the greatest hinderence to 
>>> growth is contempt prior to investigation.  Rather than be just another 
>>> naysayer, why not have a look, post a question, and see if you get an 
>>> answer?
>>> 
>>> Holiday Russell
>>> Admin
>>> Allposterforum.com
>>> 
>>> My collection:
>>> Http://www.mypostercollection.com
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
 From: Claude Litton 
 Date: December 18, 2009 10:15:10 PM EST
 To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
 Subject: Re: [MOPO] New Poster Forum/Group
 Reply-To: twoni...@aol.com
 
 Who are the serious collectors running it?
  
 The best part of this forum is that people use real names.   I do not take 
 part in any of the others for this

Re: [MOPO] New Poster Forum/Group

[Holiday Russell]

Thanks for that Scott.  There is, indeed, a learning curve.

Holiday


On Dec 20, 2009, at 5:02 PM, Scott Burns wrote:

> First let me wish good luck to Holiday's new group. The more the merrier I 
> say!
>  
> But now some friendly words of advice from someone doing this since 1995: 
> Thick skin is required to run an *any* Internet discussion group...make that 
> VERY thick skin.
>  
> Resist the temptation to fire back at critics and your group will be more 
> successful (and you'll live longer!) Trust me on this one.
>  
> So much for a friendly "hello" to the poster community! ;)
>  
> Again, best of luck,
> Scott
> MoPo List Owner
>  
> 
> From: MoPo List On Behalf Of Holiday Russell
> Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 10:24 AM
> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
> Subject: [MOPO] Fwd: [MOPO] Fwd: [MOPO] New Poster Forum/Group
> 
> Wow, did you not read my post?  I am the owner.  I gave my full name and a 
> link to my collection.  I don't give a rats ass if you visit or not.  We are 
> not a store and I'm not selling you anything.  You ARE a naysayer and you're 
> one of those haughty-type mopo'ers that thinks your above all others.  I'm an 
> attorney with 20 years of experience, a collector of many things over my 
> life, and I am highly intelligent.  So intelligent that I can spot blowhard 
> like you a mile away.  Please, do not visit us because we need not your type, 
> Claude.
> 
> Just in case you missed it last time:
> 
> My name is Holiday Russell.  Yes, that is my real name.  If you care to check 
> the Florida Bar's website to confim that you can.  I don't care one way or 
> another.  I have one of the finest collections of advertising and Japanese 
> posters in the World.  The next time you care to rant, don't assume that were 
> all dumbasses.
> 
> Now, go take a pill, have a glass of wine or smoke a joint - just chill the 
> frak out dude.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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[MOPO] Fwd: [MOPO] New Poster Forum/Group

[Holiday Russell]

And so it begins --- good cop, bad cop.

He's a bad cop sometimes, too.  Don't let the French suave fool you!

Holiday

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Thierry Brame 
> Date: December 20, 2009 5:40:46 PM EST
> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
> Subject: Re: [MOPO] New Poster Forum/Group
> Reply-To: Thierry Brame 
> 
> Scott and al.
> 
> I am the co-administrator of All Poster Forum 
> (http://www.allposterforum.com).  First time poster on MOPO.  I understand 
> Holiday did not come across as the most understanding and loving individual.  
> I guess he was a little frazzled to find himself under attack a day after 
> opening our forum. I personally didn't see much of an attack in Claude's 
> comments, but he did, answered with his usual verve, and later apologized for 
> overstepping his boundaries.  We all have bad days.  I know you guys don't 
> know me, but I can tell you this is not who the guy is.  I personally talked 
> to Claude via emails and buried the hatchet.  I hope you can too and join us. 
>  Lots of newbies need your input.
> 
> Now, it's true that you guys don't know us.  Holiday and I have been friends 
> for 3 or 4 years now, sharing a common interest in posters and slowly 
> building our respective websites.  You know his, mine can be seen at 
> http://www.eatbrie.com/.  We both know that our collections are not the best 
> in the world (contrary to what Holiday said) but we are quite proud of what 
> he have achieved in a very small amount of time.  Holiday is a lawyer in 
> Miami, I live in L.A., worked in development at Disney, DreamWorks and Amblin 
> and am currently trying to build a career as a writer.  Oh, and I'm French, 
> which doesn't make it easier :)
> 
> Now, regarding our forum...  For the longest time, Holiday and I have had an 
> urge to create a new forum that would not only deal with film posters (which 
> has been covered by you and a few others), but with all kind of posters, 
> music posters, general advertising posters and such.  There was recently a 
> bit of a disagreement between two forums and their respective members and we 
> decided to seize the opportunity to start APF.  It is a new forum, and as 
> such, there is a lot of work to be done to make it beneficial to the hobby, 
> to newbies and long time collectors.  I believe we can all live and prosper 
> under the same roof.  It's our attempt anyway.
> 
> Happy holidays to all.
> 
> Thierry
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 20, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Scott Burns wrote:
> 
>> First let me wish good luck to Holiday's new group. The more the merrier I 
>> say!
>>  
>> But now some friendly words of advice from someone doing this since 1995: 
>> Thick skin is required to run an *any* Internet discussion group...make that 
>> VERY thick skin.
>>  
>> Resist the temptation to fire back at critics and your group will be more 
>> successful (and you'll live longer!) Trust me on this one.
>>  
>> So much for a friendly "hello" to the poster community! ;)
>>  
>> Again, best of luck,
>> Scott
>> MoPo List Owner
>>  
>> 
>> From: MoPo List On Behalf Of Holiday Russell
>> Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 10:24 AM
>> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
>> Subject: [MOPO] Fwd: [MOPO] Fwd: [MOPO] New Poster Forum/Group
>> 
>> Wow, did you not read my post?  I am the owner.  I gave my full name and a 
>> link to my collection.  I don't give a rats ass if you visit or not.  We are 
>> not a store and I'm not selling you anything.  You ARE a naysayer and you're 
>> one of those haughty-type mopo'ers that thinks your above all others.  I'm 
>> an attorney with 20 years of experience, a collector of many things over my 
>> life, and I am highly intelligent.  So intelligent that I can spot blowhard 
>> like you a mile away.  Please, do not visit us because we need not your 
>> type, Claude.
>> 
>> Just in case you missed it last time:
>> 
>> My name is Holiday Russell.  Yes, that is my real name.  If you care to 
>> check the Florida Bar's website to confim that you can.  I don't care one 
>> way or another.  I have one of the finest collections of advertising and 
>> Japanese posters in the World.  The next time you care to rant, don't assume 
>> that were all dumbasses.
>> 
>> Now, go take a pill, have a glass of wine or smoke a joint - just chill the 
>> frak out dude.
>> 
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[MOPO] Fwd: [MOPO] New Poster Forum/Group

[Holiday Russell]

I don't think you were ever on a soapbox, Andy.  I've always respected that MPF 
is you're baby and you have every right to influence it as you see fit.  I have 
always believed there is room for an online site that includes other areas of 
poster collecting.  There are several areas that I never really got into on MPF 
because there were simply no ears interested in hearing.  In any event, the 
more professional forums we have, the better the hobby will be, I believe.  
Thanks for your kind words, all of you.

Holiday

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Andy Neal 
> Date: December 21, 2009 6:59:52 AM EST
> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
> Subject: Re: [MOPO] New Poster Forum/Group
> Reply-To: Andy Neal 
> 
> I guess an alternative is not a problem as long as it doesn't end up being 
> full of trash or end up with loads of porn on it or mindless drivel. As you 
> may or may not know I moderate MPF, myself and the majority of its members 
> consider it to be a professional forum, with advertising which is no way to 
> be fround out, I know one person that does as he brings it up a fair amount 
> of time but that is because they have tried it and failed and still have the 
> nerve to talk about it like it's a sin which is in itself hypocritical.
> 
> Mopo can't be moderated except for banning people as it is a mailing 
> list/discussion group and not a forum. But I love it and have been a member 
> for years as it is civilised 99% of the time. I know very little about Scott 
> as he rarely posts or gets involved, not too sure what else he is involved 
> with if anything at all but MoPo works and is a total success in my eyes, god 
> forbid anything happening to Scott or we're screwed, I hope he has a backup 
> generator :-)
> 
> My only word of advice is outline any rules right from the off and moderate 
> it when required or you will just end up with a very amateur forum full of 
> playground antics, Also turn a blind eye to any 2-faced people you may 
> encounter along the journey...This is from 4+ years of Movie Poster forum 
> ownership and experience...Best of luck Thiery and Holiday with the new forum 
> venture. I won't be joining, that isn't because of any fears of competition, 
> my priority is to concentrate on MPF and it can be time consuming sometimes.
> 
> I am a new generation Movie Poster Collector with an old head on, it doesn't 
> have to be one or the other and it doesn't have to be judge or be judged, we 
> live in the year 2009, a civilised era!? Let’s make 2010 civilised too.
> 
> Anyway, I'm sure most mopo'ers are bored of all this forum talk now and want 
> to talk about movie posters so I'll get off my soap box now.
> 
> Andy
> President of The Movie Poster Forum
> www.movieposterforum.com
> 
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Re: [MOPO] New Poster Forum/Group

[Scott Burns]

Just for the record

MoPo CAN be moderated. I've just chosen not to take that route. I've always
been of the opinion that adults can act like adults and don't need me to
"supervise" or "baby-sit." Most of the time, this works.

In the event someone decides to not act their age and abandons
civility...well that's why there's a disclaimer at the bottom of every MoPo
post:

The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.

The MoPo family generally takes care of any indiscretions or uncomfortable
situations that crop up and I only intervene in the absolute worst cases.
Luckily there have only been a handful of incidents since 1995. I have only
asked one person to leave the group and I placed another on "posting
moderation" so  I would see the posts first before they were sent out to the
group. Not too bad for for nearly 15 years and thousand and thousand of
messages.

As far as my "rare posting" as Andy has pointed out, well, that too is a
choice. Perhaps that's why a few MoPo'ers have called me "the man behind the
curtain" over the years. Most of the time I prefer to stay in the
background. I am simply a collector and frankly a collector of modestly
priced posters. Discussions about the pricey stuff intrigues me, but the
high end items are just out of my reach--no original "Bride of Frankenstein"
one-sheet is in my future.  I've never sold a poster in my life--"till death
do us part" is my collecting philosophy.

And yesthere is a quiet "co-owner" of MoPo...so rest assured it will
continue even if I don't. :)

Happy Holidays to all,
Scott
MoPo List Owner


  -Original Message-
  From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu]on Behalf Of Andy
Neal
  Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 7:00 AM
  To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
  Subject: Re: [MOPO] New Poster Forum/Group


  I guess an alternative is not a problem as long as it doesn't end up being
full of trash or end up with loads of porn on it or mindless drivel. As you
may or may not know I moderate MPF, myself and the majority of its members
consider it to be a professional forum, with advertising which is no way to
be fround out, I know one person that does as he brings it up a fair amount
of time but that is because they have tried it and failed and still have the
nerve to talk about it like it's a sin which is in itself hypocritical.

  Mopo can't be moderated except for banning people as it is a mailing
list/discussion group and not a forum. But I love it and have been a member
for years as it is civilised 99% of the time. I know very little about Scott
as he rarely posts or gets involved, not too sure what else he is involved
with if anything at all but MoPo works and is a total success in my eyes,
god forbid anything happening to Scott or we're screwed, I hope he has a
backup generator :-)

  My only word of advice is outline any rules right from the off and
moderate it when required or you will just end up with a very amateur forum
full of playground antics, Also turn a blind eye to any 2-faced people you
may encounter along the journey...This is from 4+ years of Movie Poster
forum ownership and experience...Best of luck Thiery and Holiday with the
new forum venture. I won't be joining, that isn't because of any fears of
competition, my priority is to concentrate on MPF and it can be time
consuming sometimes.

  I am a new generation Movie Poster Collector with an old head on, it
doesn't have to be one or the other and it doesn't have to be judge or be
judged, we live in the year 2009, a civilised era!? Let’s make 2010
civilised too.

  Anyway, I'm sure most mopo'ers are bored of all this forum talk now and
want to talk about movie posters so I'll get off my soap box now.

  Andy
  President of The Movie Poster Forum
  www.movieposterforum.com


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Re: [MOPO] FORUM CENSORSHOP<><>[MOPO] New Poster Forum/Group

[Michael B]

scott, said:


Just for the record
 
MoPo CAN be moderated. I've just chosen not to take that route. I've always 
been of the opinion that adults can act like adults and don't need me to 
"supervise" or "baby-sit." Most of the time, this works.


--
--

about 3/4 years ago, i left a forum because of their censorship.  unwarranted 
censorship !!!

MOPOer friends warned me that they censored, but i didn't believe it.  then i 
criticized DIPLOMATICALLY, the moderator and positions he made.  he removed my 
posts that intended to embarass him.

i commented about this on MOPO at the time.  i was applauded by MOPO members.  
The moderator challenged me here, and lost.  Why would you participate in a 
site that censors diverse opinions?  that is gestapo-like.  MOPO seems to 
regulate itself, although there have been times people have stepped outside 
what is acceptable.

so, the forum from which i withdrew, had a name like movieposter something as 
its forum name.

has their censorship stopped?

michael   


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Re: [MOPO] New Poster Forum/Group

[Andy Neal]

Absolutely Scott, but I was referring more to moderating a forum as in 
different sections and posts which of course mopo doesn't have, which isn't a 
bad thing, just a different format to a forum. 


From: s...@columbus.rr.com
To: andyan...@hotmail.com; MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: RE: [MOPO] New Poster Forum/Group
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 12:41:34 -0500










Just for the 
record
 
MoPo 
CAN be moderated. I've just chosen not to take that route. I've always 
been of the opinion that adults can act like adults and don't need me to 
"supervise" or "baby-sit." Most of the time, this 
works.
 
In the event someone 
decides to not act their age and abandons civility...well that's why there's a 
disclaimer at the bottom of every MoPo post: 
 

The author of this message is solely 
responsible for its content.
 
The MoPo family 
generally takes care of any indiscretions or uncomfortable situations that crop 
up and I only intervene in the absolute worst cases. Luckily there have only 
been a handful of incidents since 1995. I have only asked one person to leave 
the group and I placed another on "posting moderation" so  I would see the 
posts first before they were sent out to the group. Not too bad 
for for nearly 15 years and thousand and thousand of 
messages.
 
As far as my "rare 
posting" as Andy has pointed out, well, that too is a choice. Perhaps that's 
why 
a few MoPo'ers have called me "the man behind the curtain" over the years. Most 
of the time I prefer to stay in the background. I am simply a 
collector and frankly a collector of modestly priced posters. Discussions about 
the pricey stuff intrigues me, but the high end items are just out of my 
reach--no original "Bride of Frankenstein" one-sheet is in my future.  I've 
never sold a poster in my life--"till death do us part" is my collecting 
philosophy.
 
And yesthere 
is a quiet "co-owner" of MoPo...so rest assured it will continue 
even if I don't. :)
 
Happy Holidays to 
all,
Scott
MoPo List 
Owner 


  -Original Message-
From: MoPo List 
  [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu]on Behalf Of Andy 
  Neal
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 7:00 AM
To: 
  MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: Re: [MOPO] New Poster 
  Forum/Group


  
  
  
  

  I guess an 
  alternative is not a problem as long as it doesn't end up being full of trash 
  or end up with loads of porn on it or mindless drivel. As you may or may not 
  know I moderate MPF, myself and the majority of its members consider it to be 
  a professional forum, with advertising which is no way to be fround out, I 
  know one person that does as he brings it up a fair amount of time but that 
is 
  because they have tried it and failed and still have the nerve to talk about 
  it like it's a sin which is in itself hypocritical.

Mopo can't be 
  moderated except for banning people as it is a mailing list/discussion group 
  and not a forum. But I love it and have been a member for years as it is 
  civilised 99% of the time. I know very little about Scott as he rarely posts 
  or gets involved, not too sure what else he is involved with if anything at 
  all but MoPo works and is a total success in my eyes, god forbid anything 
  happening to Scott or we're screwed, I hope he has a backup generator 
  :-)

My only word of advice is outline any rules right from the off and 
  moderate it when required or you will just end up with a very amateur forum 
  full of playground antics, Also turn a blind eye to any 2-faced people you 
may 
  encounter along the journey...This is from 4+ years of Movie Poster forum 
  ownership and experience...Best of luck Thiery and Holiday with the new forum 
  venture. I won't be joining, that isn't because of any fears of competition, 
  my priority is to concentrate on MPF and it can be time consuming 
  sometimes.

I am a new generation Movie Poster Collector with an old 
  head on, it doesn't have to be one or the other and it doesn't have to be 
  judge or be judged, we live in the year 2009, a civilised era!? Let’s make 
  2010 civilised too.

Anyway, I'm sure most mopo'ers are bored of all 
  this forum talk now and want to talk about movie posters so I'll get off my 
  soap box now.

Andy
President of The Movie Poster Forum
www.movieposterforum.com
  
  
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[MOPO] FA: Heritage has Dragstrip Girl. Bullitt, Charade, The Blob, The Wild Bunch, Cleopatra & Thunderball!

[Smith, Grey - 1367]

Heritage has some of the greatest items in movie posters and week in and week 
out, we offer the best values. Bid with confidence on some of the greatest 
deals in vintage movie posters! 459 Lots will end December 27th at 10PM CT!
http://movieposters.ha.com/common/search_results.php?N=54+793+794+791+792+4294951596

Some of our highlights for this week include:

Dragstrip Girl (American International, 1957). One Sheet (27" X 41")
http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=59124&Lot_No=54122

Bullitt (Warner Brothers, 1968). Half Sheet (22" X 28")
http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=59124&Lot_No=54065

The Blob (Paramount, 1958). Insert (14" X 36")
http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=59124&Lot_No=54052

Charade (Universal, 1963). One Sheet (27" X 41")
http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=59124&Lot_No=54079

Revenge of the Creature (Universal International, 1955). Lobby Card (11" X 14")
http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=59124&Lot_No=54331#photo

The Wild Bunch (Warner Brothers, 1969). Half Sheet (22" X 28")
http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=59124&Lot_No=5

The Great Escape (United Artists, 1963). One Sheet (27" X 41")
http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=59124&Lot_No=54187

The Outlaw Josey Wales (Warner Brothers, 1976). One Sheet (27" X 41")
http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=59124&Lot_No=54311

Cleopatra (20th Century Fox, 1964). One Sheet (27" X 41")
http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=59124&Lot_No=54085

Christmas in Connecticut (Warner Brothers, 1945). Insert (14" X 36") and Stills 
(6) (8" X 10")
http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=59124&Lot_No=54081

Thunderball (United Artists, 1965). Window Card (14" X 22")
http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=59124&Lot_No=54404

I Married a Monster from Outer Space (Paramount, 1958). Window Card (14" X 22")
http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=59124&Lot_No=54220



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[MOPO] MOPO - Stanley Kubrick is Haunting my ebay site

[Tom Martin]

Look at my ebay today  Stanley Kubrick decided to make it his today...:)

2001 feedbacks,  ala  Kubrick

seller Idea Dream Factory

Buy somthing and make my millenium

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Re: [MOPO] New Poster Forum/Group

[Ari Richards]

Andy has consistently ran a forum, that deletes, moves, edits, threads, bans 
members, or puts them on hold, until he decides if they are ok.
All the while claims over a thousand members, and charges not only advertising 
fees, but also charges for people to enter the private place where the cool 
guys go.
NOW Id have no problem with any of that, except, there's members there and 
always have been that spread lies, think back to the Mean Streets fiasco, Greg 
Egbert is allowed, and people who know their stuff and are honest get banned.
I know I don't know everything re posters, I just let people talk about it, but 
banning experts and leaving fools is just stupid.
Reason I asked (took a few times) to be removed from MPF is watching people 
spread lies, and anyone who proves them wrong gets banned, makes my skin crawl.
And in your email Andy you suggested that I have tried to make money from NS4..?

" I know one person that does as he brings it up a fair amount of time but that 
is because they have tried it and failed and still have the nerve to talk about 
it like it's a sin which is in itself hypocritical."


I assume that's me...?

Never have once asked for $ for advertising. Want to pay me to advertise MPF on 
NS4? 

That's the first time I have asked.

Good luck, hope you make a buck, I don't give a ...

Ari

PS, I poked my eyes out the other day



From: Andy Neal 
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Sent: Mon, 21 December, 2009 10:59:52 PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] New Poster Forum/Group


I guess an alternative is not a problem as long as it doesn't end up being full 
of trash or end up with loads of porn on it or mindless drivel. As you may or 
may not know I moderate MPF, myself and the majority of its members consider it 
to be a professional forum, with advertising which is no way to be fround out, 
I know one person that does as he brings it up a fair amount of time but that 
is because they have tried it and failed and still have the nerve to talk about 
it like it's a sin which is in itself hypocritical.

Mopo can't be moderated except for banning people as it is a mailing 
list/discussion group and not a forum. But I love it and have been a member for 
years as it is civilised 99% of the time. I know very little about Scott as he 
rarely posts or gets involved, not too sure what else he is involved with if 
anything at all but MoPo works and is a total success in my eyes, god forbid 
anything happening to Scott or we're screwed, I hope he has a backup generator 
:-)

My only word of advice is outline any rules right from the off and moderate it 
when required or you will just end up with a very amateur forum full of 
playground antics, Also turn a blind eye to any 2-faced people you may 
encounter along the journey...This is from 4+ years of Movie Poster forum 
ownership and experience...Best of luck Thiery and Holiday with the new forum 
venture. I won't be joining, that isn't because of any fears of competition, my 
priority is to concentrate on MPF and it can be time consuming sometimes.

I am a new generation Movie Poster Collector with an old head on, it doesn't 
have to be one or the other and it doesn't have to be judge or be judged, we 
live in the year 2009, a civilised era!? Let’s make 2010 civilised too.

Anyway, I'm sure most mopo'ers are bored of all this forum talk now and want to 
talk about movie posters so I'll get off my soap box now.

Andy
President of The Movie Poster Forum
www.movieposterforum.com
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[MOPO] FA CLOSING! FulciHorrorOS,Fahrenheit451OS,JerryLewisLot,Beatles,IceStationZebra

[rixposterz]

Hi, Everyone,
 
  I have about 20 Auctions CLOSING WITHIN 4 TO 5 HOURS, including a  small 
sample:
_http://shop.ebay.com/rixposterz/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg_ 
(http://shop.ebay.com/rixposterz/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg) 
SCHIZOID Orig LUCINO FULCI HORROR US 1-SHEET INCREDIBLE ART! NM ONLY  
$19.99!!
BURT LANCASTER LOT!  Orig US 1-Sheets + Lobby Cards!! GREAT SEAL!!  ONLY 
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ICE STATION ZEBRA LOT--Orig NM Poster, 3 Orig US Lobby Cards + Orig US  
Pressbook ALL FOR $19.99!
FAHRENHEIT 451 + SOMETHING WICKED THIS WAY COMES 2 Orig RAY BRADBURY  
SCI-FI/HORROR

US 1-SHEETS  BOTH FOR ONLY $19.99!!!
THE DIRORDERLY ORDERLY + MORE! 3 Orig JERRY LEWIS COMEDY US 1-SHEETS! ALL  
FOR $14.99!
MAN IN THE GRAY FLANNEL SUIT (GREGORY PECK, JENNIFER JONES 1956) Orig US  
1/2 SHEET,
  Orig  US INSERT + 
Orig US LOBBY SET---ALL FOR $19.99!!!
BEATLEMANIA Orig 1881 US 1-SHEET MINT!! ONLY $14.99!!
GLENN FORD/FILM NOIR LOT!! 2 Orig US 1/2 SHEETS Plus Orig US LOBBY SET! ALL 
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_http://shop.ebay.com/rixposterz/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg_ 
(http://shop.ebay.com/rixposterz/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg) 
   And these ARE LESS THAN HALF of my Auctions CLOSING VERY  SOON!!
  PLEASE TAKE A LOOK!!!   Thanks for the 
support! Rick
 
 
 

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Re: [MOPO] New Poster Forum/Group

[Richard Halegua Comic Art]

Ari

you know I love ya brother, but some of what you say is entirely hypocritical

For instance, when Douche Hershenson was screwing 
up your forum with straight out attacks on a 
variety of members (most especially myself) you really didn't care..


so while you decry Andy for some of those things, 
you feel it's okay to whitewash some of the bullshit that goes on at NSF


again Ari.. I love ya like a distant brother, but 
you can't gripe about MPF unless you have totally 
clean laundry at NSF - which you don't


to go further.. Censorship really is antithetical 
to much of what is said on MoPo, NSF and MPF. But 
attacks on any member or person for any reason should be censored because:


1) all people expect a certain amount of decorum
2) people expect to be free from having to defend 
themselves for bullshit reasons
3) frequently people who are being savaged are 
not members of a particular forum and may not 
know what is being said until someone points it out to them

and
4) it's just plain wrong

there can be no question that NSF has at times 
been like the wild west and you as moderator do 
not choose to moderate such behavior, which 
results in more and more mud being slung. People 
who are being savaged only have one recourse which is to sling more mud


There is one reality - that some people on NSF 
like to sling mud, but when the mud is slung back 
- they think they're being screwed.
It's the moderator's JOB to quietly stop any such 
behavior immediately BEFORE IT GETS OUT OF HAND 
and people who are being attacked shouldn't have 
to get in touch with you (which sometimes is 
difficult) to have it ended - you should be the 
one to end it without any prodding to do so


If people don't like being censored, they 
shouldn't be spreading bullshit which is likely 
to be censored by any intelligent thinking 
moderator and you have certain members who 
constantly attack people because they disagree 
with whatever philosophy that other person has 
(like for instance Dave L being constantly harangued unfairly)


You can run your forum any way you wish, but I 
think on this particular issue you live in a glass house


there used to be a great forum that was very 
pointedly aimed at furthering the hobby of poster 
collecting _Movie Poster Talk.
At the point where certain people were using the 
forum as their personal attack board, Jon Warren was forced to end the forum.
MoviePosterBid was going to host a forum, but 
after I came to the realization of it's 
detriments (by watching other forums) I 
recognized it would be impossible for me to 
moderate any forum due to time constraints 
because there are too many bigmouths that I would 
have to watch and I had other things to do that 
were in themselves more than a fulltime job (like 
for instance, the auctions which are a job for 5 
people and we do them with 2). So because I 
didn't feel I could trust all members to be 
gentlemanly (or gentlewomanly), I couldn't bother 
with creating a forum for them.


I don't care if Andy has a need to charge or not. 
I don't care if certain members want to say 
garbage, get banned, and then whine about the 
"injustice" they have reaped.. If these people 
felt the need to be involved with Andy's group, 
they should behave themselves accordingly, 
otherwise they have nothing to whine about.


people do not join these groups to be attacked. 
They join because they are in a hobby and want to 
network with like collectors and share 
something.. people who cannot act like adults 
should not be allowed to mingle with other 
adults.. Like the whiners who complain that 
they've been banned.. Act like an adult and you will not be banned.


Keep in mind that such bickering is BAD FOR ANY FORUM, HOBBY ETC.
It keeps people away and anything negative 
potentially turns people away from the hobby. Do 
you really think there's a positive to that??


I fully support Andy's perspective on this issue

Rich


At 02:51 PM 12/21/2009, Ari Richards wrote:
Andy has consistently ran a forum, that deletes, 
moves, edits, threads, bans members, or puts 
them on hold, until he decides if they are ok.
All the while claims over a thousand members, 
and charges not only advertising fees, but also 
charges for people to enter the private place where the cool guys go.
NOW Id have no problem with any of that, except, 
there's members there and always have been that 
spread lies, think back to the Mean Streets 
fiasco, Greg Egbert is allowed, and people who 
know their stuff and are honest get banned.
I know I don't know everything re posters, I 
just let people talk about it, but banning 
experts and leaving fools is just stupid.
Reason I asked (took a few times) to be removed 
from MPF is watching people spread lies, and 
anyone who proves them wrong gets banned, makes my skin crawl.
And in your email Andy you suggested that I have 
tried to make money from NS4..?


" I know one person that does as he brings it up 
a fair amount of time but that is be

Re: [MOPO] Need help: Ghost Ship NSS #

[Bruce Hershenson]

Here's my question. I have sold several one-sheets, lobby cards, an insert,
and a half-sheet. *ALL* the one sheets had the 49 NSS, and *ALL* the other
sizes had the 43 NSS. If there had been a 49 re-release, what are the odds
of that happening, and what are the odds that no one has ever seen even one
item from the supposed 49 re-release *OTHER THAN* the one-sheets with the
typo?

Bruce

On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 8:56 AM, Dave Rosen  wrote:

>  Thanks, Phil. Yeah, I seem to remember something like that as well.
>
> And here is what I just found online:
>
> *The Ghost Ship has acquired the almost legendary status of being a lost
> Lewton film. The initial idea for the film was born out of necessity: Actor
> Richard Dix still owed the studio one more picture, and there was a large
> ship set standing on the lot from an earlier film that still had a bit more
> cinematic mileage left in it. However, after the film opened, two writers
> who had left an unsolicited manuscript with Lewton prior to production filed
> a lawsuit against the producer, accusing him of pirating their idea.*
> **
> *As was standard procedure at RKO, their script had been returned to the
> writers, unread. (In fact, The Ghost Ship was based on a story by Leo
> Mittler, who had worked with Lewton on The Amorous Ghost earlier that
> spring.) The studio wanted to settle the matter out of court, so the film
> could go into general release. Lewton, however, refused, feeling such a move
> could be considered an admission of guilt on his part. To everyone’s
> surprise at RKO, the judge ruled against Lewton, and while the two writers
> were only awarded half the amount they had asked for, the judge ordered the
> film be pulled from release.*
>
> This is from: http://www.horror-wood.com/lewton.htm
>
> No explanation as to how it is the film was eventually released in 1949,
> but it may explain the delay between '43 and '49.
>
> I'll see if I can find out more.
>
> Dave
>
>  - Original Message -
> *From:* Phil Edwards 
> *To:* Dave Rosen 
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 20, 2009 3:13 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [MOPO] Need help: Ghost Ship NSS #
>
> Dave,
> Do not forget that THE GHOST SHIP was delayed release by a few years as
> Warners took out a court order claiming similarities with
> THE SEA WOLF.
>
> I think you will find the date issue is not just a typo. This was all
> covered in the original thread and at length.
>
> Phil
>
>  - Original Message -
> *From:* Dave Rosen 
> *To:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
>   *Sent:* Sunday, December 20, 2009 1:27 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [MOPO] Need help: Ghost Ship NSS #
>
> Thanks, Grey and Peter. A typo, that explains it.
>
> Much appreciated.
>
> Dave
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* P Molitor 
> *To:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 19, 2009 9:15 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [MOPO] Need help: Ghost Ship NSS #
>
>   Hi Dave,  I remember that thread, think it was in the old MPT days.
> General opinion was 'twere a typo on the poster.  That idiot Tibor was
> probably at the printing press that day.
>
> I think all the confusion came about due to restored posters being given
> the original "43" instead of the correct (but wrong) "49" in the NSS #.
>
> --Peter
>
> --- On *Sat, 12/19/09, Dave Rosen * wrote:
>
>
> From: Dave Rosen 
> Subject: [MOPO] Need help: Ghost Ship NSS #
> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
> Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 2:41 PM
>
>  Hi, all:
>
> I have a Ghost Ship 1-sheet and am trying to make sense of the NSS number.
> I'm sure some of you know what I'm talking about: The film is listed as
> having been released in 1943 (there is also a 1943 copyright notation on the
> poster) but the NSS # on my 1-sheet is 49/398.
>
> I seem to recall this being discussed on one of the forums a couple of
> years back but can't remember what the final explanation was. It's not a
> re-release. Was the film held back for six years by RKO?
>
> Thanks for any help,
> Dave
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Re: [MOPO] Need help: Ghost Ship NSS #

[Roger Kim]

Zero percent chance.

My brother has a masters degree in math, so I feel I'm qualified to  
answer this question.


-rk


On Dec 21, 2009, at 4:52 PM, Bruce Hershenson wrote:

Here's my question. I have sold several one-sheets, lobby cards, an  
insert, and a half-sheet. ALL the one sheets had the 49 NSS, and  
ALL the other sizes had the 43 NSS. If there had been a 49 re- 
release, what are the odds of that happening, and what are the odds  
that no one has ever seen even one item from the supposed 49 re- 
release OTHER THAN the one-sheets with the typo?


Bruce

On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 8:56 AM, Dave Rosen   
wrote:

Thanks, Phil. Yeah, I seem to remember something like that as well.

And here is what I just found online:

The Ghost Ship has acquired the almost legendary status of being a  
lost Lewton film. The initial idea for the film was born out of  
necessity: Actor Richard Dix still owed the studio one more  
picture, and there was a large ship set standing on the lot from an  
earlier film that still had a bit more cinematic mileage left in  
it. However, after the film opened, two writers who had left an  
unsolicited manuscript with Lewton prior to production filed a  
lawsuit against the producer, accusing him of pirating their idea.


As was standard procedure at RKO, their script had been returned to  
the writers, unread. (In fact, The Ghost Ship was based on a story  
by Leo Mittler, who had worked with Lewton on The Amorous Ghost  
earlier that spring.) The studio wanted to settle the matter out of  
court, so the film could go into general release. Lewton, however,  
refused, feeling such a move could be considered an admission of  
guilt on his part. To everyone’s surprise at RKO, the judge ruled  
against Lewton, and while the two writers were only awarded half  
the amount they had asked for, the judge ordered the film be pulled  
from release.


This is from: http://www.horror-wood.com/lewton.htm

No explanation as to how it is the film was eventually released in  
1949, but it may explain the delay between '43 and '49.


I'll see if I can find out more.

Dave
- Original Message -
From: Phil Edwards
To: Dave Rosen
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 3:13 AM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Need help: Ghost Ship NSS #

Dave,
Do not forget that THE GHOST SHIP was delayed release by a few  
years as Warners took out a court order claiming similarities with

THE SEA WOLF.

I think you will find the date issue is not just a typo. This was  
all covered in the original thread and at length.


Phil
- Original Message -
From: Dave Rosen
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Need help: Ghost Ship NSS #

Thanks, Grey and Peter. A typo, that explains it.

Much appreciated.

Dave
- Original Message -
From: P Molitor
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Need help: Ghost Ship NSS #

Hi Dave,  I remember that thread, think it was in the old MPT  
days.  General opinion was 'twere a typo on the poster.  That idiot  
Tibor was probably at the printing press that day.


I think all the confusion came about due to restored posters being  
given the original "43" instead of the correct (but wrong) "49" in  
the NSS #.


--Peter

--- On Sat, 12/19/09, Dave Rosen  wrote:

From: Dave Rosen 
Subject: [MOPO] Need help: Ghost Ship NSS #
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 2:41 PM

Hi, all:

I have a Ghost Ship 1-sheet and am trying to make sense of the NSS  
number. I'm sure some of you know what I'm talking about: The film  
is listed as having been released in 1943 (there is also a 1943  
copyright notation on the poster) but the NSS # on my 1-sheet is  
49/398.


I seem to recall this being discussed on one of the forums a couple  
of years back but can't remember what the final explanation was.  
It's not a re-release. Was the film held back for six years by RKO?


Thanks for any help,
Dave
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Re: [MOPO] Need help: Ghost Ship NSS #

[Dave Rosen]

Hi, Bruce:

This is the first poster for this film to come through my hands so I hadn't 
realized there were no other pieces of movie paper other than the 1-sheet with 
the 49 NSS number.

Given that, yes, the typo scenario does make more sense. (Though I am intrigued 
by the lawsuit story, even if it had nothing to do with the date in the NSS 
number.)

Thanks for your help,
Dave
  - Original Message - 
  From: Bruce Hershenson 
  To: Dave Rosen 
  Cc: MoPo-L@listserv.american.edu 
  Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 7:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [MOPO] Need help: Ghost Ship NSS #


  Here's my question. I have sold several one-sheets, lobby cards, an insert, 
and a half-sheet. ALL the one sheets had the 49 NSS, and ALL the other sizes 
had the 43 NSS. If there had been a 49 re-release, what are the odds of that 
happening, and what are the odds that no one has ever seen even one item from 
the supposed 49 re-release OTHER THAN the one-sheets with the typo?

  Bruce


  On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 8:56 AM, Dave Rosen  wrote:

Thanks, Phil. Yeah, I seem to remember something like that as well.

And here is what I just found online:

The Ghost Ship has acquired the almost legendary status of being a lost 
Lewton film. The initial idea for the film was born out of necessity: Actor 
Richard Dix still owed the studio one more picture, and there was a large ship 
set standing on the lot from an earlier film that still had a bit more 
cinematic mileage left in it. However, after the film opened, two writers who 
had left an unsolicited manuscript with Lewton prior to production filed a 
lawsuit against the producer, accusing him of pirating their idea.

As was standard procedure at RKO, their script had been returned to the 
writers, unread. (In fact, The Ghost Ship was based on a story by Leo Mittler, 
who had worked with Lewton on The Amorous Ghost earlier that spring.) The 
studio wanted to settle the matter out of court, so the film could go into 
general release. Lewton, however, refused, feeling such a move could be 
considered an admission of guilt on his part. To everyone’s surprise at RKO, 
the judge ruled against Lewton, and while the two writers were only awarded 
half the amount they had asked for, the judge ordered the film be pulled from 
release.

This is from: http://www.horror-wood.com/lewton.htm

No explanation as to how it is the film was eventually released in 1949, 
but it may explain the delay between '43 and '49.

I'll see if I can find out more.

Dave
  - Original Message - 
  From: Phil Edwards 
  To: Dave Rosen 
  Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 3:13 AM
  Subject: Re: [MOPO] Need help: Ghost Ship NSS #


  Dave,
  Do not forget that THE GHOST SHIP was delayed release by a few years as 
Warners took out a court order claiming similarities with
  THE SEA WOLF.

  I think you will find the date issue is not just a typo. This was all 
covered in the original thread and at length.

  Phil
- Original Message - 
From: Dave Rosen 
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Need help: Ghost Ship NSS #


Thanks, Grey and Peter. A typo, that explains it.

Much appreciated.

Dave
  - Original Message - 
  From: P Molitor 
  To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
  Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 9:15 PM
  Subject: Re: [MOPO] Need help: Ghost Ship NSS #


Hi Dave,  I remember that thread, think it was in the old MPT 
days.  General opinion was 'twere a typo on the poster.  That idiot Tibor was 
probably at the printing press that day.

I think all the confusion came about due to restored posters 
being given the original "43" instead of the correct (but wrong) "49" in the 
NSS #.

--Peter

--- On Sat, 12/19/09, Dave Rosen  wrote:


  From: Dave Rosen 
  Subject: [MOPO] Need help: Ghost Ship NSS #
  To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
  Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 2:41 PM


  Hi, all:

  I have a Ghost Ship 1-sheet and am trying to make sense of 
the NSS number. I'm sure some of you know what I'm talking about: The film is 
listed as having been released in 1943 (there is also a 1943 copyright notation 
on the poster) but the NSS # on my 1-sheet is 49/398.

  I seem to recall this being discussed on one of the forums a 
couple of years back but can't remember what the final explanation was. It's 
not a re-release. Was the film held back for six years by RKO?

  Thanks for any help,
  Dave
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Re: [MOPO] Need help: Ghost Ship NSS #

[P Molitor]

That's exactly what I was wondering about too Bruce.  The dates are slipping my 
mind at the moment, but aren't the other Lewton (R)s in the '50s some time?
 
I did look a little deeper into the '43 matter though, and it was released for 
Xmas '43, at least in New York (and reviewed by none other than Bosley Crowther 
- he thought it rather bloody).  Apparently it wasn't pulled until February of 
'44 as a result of the lawsuit, and it did build up a worthy box-office take in 
that time, so it would seem to be a national release.
 
Hard to believe an error on a restoration could cause such a kerfuffle.  
Anyway, happy holidays to all on the 66th anniversary of "Ghost Ship," oh, and 
all that other stuff too.
 
--Peter

--- On Mon, 12/21/09, Bruce Hershenson  wrote:


From: Bruce Hershenson 
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Need help: Ghost Ship NSS #
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 4:52 PM



Here's my question. I have sold several one-sheets, lobby cards, an insert, and 
a half-sheet. ALL the one sheets had the 49 NSS, and ALL the other sizes had 
the 43 NSS. If there had been a 49 re-release, what are the odds of that 
happening, and what are the odds that no one has ever seen even one item from 
the supposed 49 re-release OTHER THAN the one-sheets with the typo?
 
Bruce


On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 8:56 AM, Dave Rosen  wrote:



Thanks, Phil. Yeah, I seem to remember something like that as well.
 
And here is what I just found online:
 
The Ghost Ship has acquired the almost legendary status of being a lost Lewton 
film. The initial idea for the film was born out of necessity: Actor Richard 
Dix still owed the studio one more picture, and there was a large ship set 
standing on the lot from an earlier film that still had a bit more cinematic 
mileage left in it. However, after the film opened, two writers who had left an 
unsolicited manuscript with Lewton prior to production filed a lawsuit against 
the producer, accusing him of pirating their idea.
 
As was standard procedure at RKO, their script had been returned to the 
writers, unread. (In fact, The Ghost Ship was based on a story by Leo Mittler, 
who had worked with Lewton on The Amorous Ghost earlier that spring.) The 
studio wanted to settle the matter out of court, so the film could go into 
general release. Lewton, however, refused, feeling such a move could be 
considered an admission of guilt on his part. To everyone’s surprise at RKO, 
the judge ruled against Lewton, and while the two writers were only awarded 
half the amount they had asked for, the judge ordered the film be pulled from 
release.
 
This is from: http://www.horror-wood.com/lewton.htm
 
No explanation as to how it is the film was eventually released in 1949, but it 
may explain the delay between '43 and '49.
 
I'll see if I can find out more.
 
Dave


- Original Message - 
From: Phil Edwards 
To: Dave Rosen 
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 3:13 AM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Need help: Ghost Ship NSS #


Dave,
Do not forget that THE GHOST SHIP was delayed release by a few years as Warners 
took out a court order claiming similarities with
THE SEA WOLF.
 
I think you will find the date issue is not just a typo. This was all covered 
in the original thread and at length.
 
Phil


- Original Message - 
From: Dave Rosen 
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 



Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Need help: Ghost Ship NSS #


Thanks, Grey and Peter. A typo, that explains it.
 
Much appreciated.
 
Dave

- Original Message - 
From: P Molitor 
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Need help: Ghost Ship NSS #






Hi Dave,  I remember that thread, think it was in the old MPT days.  General 
opinion was 'twere a typo on the poster.  That idiot Tibor was probably at the 
printing press that day.
 
I think all the confusion came about due to restored posters being given the 
original "43" instead of the correct (but wrong) "49" in the NSS #.
 
--Peter

--- On Sat, 12/19/09, Dave Rosen  wrote:


From: Dave Rosen 
Subject: [MOPO] Need help: Ghost Ship NSS #
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 2:41 PM



Hi, all:
 
I have a Ghost Ship 1-sheet and am trying to make sense of the NSS number. I'm 
sure some of you know what I'm talking about: The film is listed as having been 
released in 1943 (there is also a 1943 copyright notation on the poster) but 
the NSS # on my 1-sheet is 49/398.
 
I seem to recall this being discussed on one of the forums a couple of years 
back but can't remember what the final explanation was. It's not a re-release. 
Was the film held back for six years by RKO?
 
Thanks for any help,
Dave
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Re: [MOPO] Need help: Ghost Ship NSS #

[Dave Rosen]

Thanks, Peter, for your input. It's not a restoration error, btw, the 1-sheet 
is unrestored. It was an error by the printer who originally put the NSS # on 
the 1-sheet in 1943.

Best of the holidays to you, too,
Dave
  - Original Message - 
  From: P Molitor 
  To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
  Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 8:04 PM
  Subject: Re: [MOPO] Need help: Ghost Ship NSS #


That's exactly what I was wondering about too Bruce.  The dates are 
slipping my mind at the moment, but aren't the other Lewton (R)s in the '50s 
some time?

I did look a little deeper into the '43 matter though, and it was 
released for Xmas '43, at least in New York (and reviewed by none other than 
Bosley Crowther - he thought it rather bloody).  Apparently it wasn't pulled 
until February of '44 as a result of the lawsuit, and it did build up a worthy 
box-office take in that time, so it would seem to be a national release.

Hard to believe an error on a restoration could cause such a kerfuffle. 
 Anyway, happy holidays to all on the 66th anniversary of "Ghost Ship," oh, and 
all that other stuff too.

--Peter

--- On Mon, 12/21/09, Bruce Hershenson  
wrote:


  From: Bruce Hershenson 
  Subject: Re: [MOPO] Need help: Ghost Ship NSS #
  To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
  Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 4:52 PM


  Here's my question. I have sold several one-sheets, lobby cards, an 
insert, and a half-sheet. ALL the one sheets had the 49 NSS, and ALL the other 
sizes had the 43 NSS. If there had been a 49 re-release, what are the odds of 
that happening, and what are the odds that no one has ever seen even one item 
from the supposed 49 re-release OTHER THAN the one-sheets with the typo?

  Bruce


  On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 8:56 AM, Dave Rosen  
wrote:

Thanks, Phil. Yeah, I seem to remember something like that as well.

And here is what I just found online:

The Ghost Ship has acquired the almost legendary status of being a 
lost Lewton film. The initial idea for the film was born out of necessity: 
Actor Richard Dix still owed the studio one more picture, and there was a large 
ship set standing on the lot from an earlier film that still had a bit more 
cinematic mileage left in it. However, after the film opened, two writers who 
had left an unsolicited manuscript with Lewton prior to production filed a 
lawsuit against the producer, accusing him of pirating their idea.

As was standard procedure at RKO, their script had been returned to 
the writers, unread. (In fact, The Ghost Ship was based on a story by Leo 
Mittler, who had worked with Lewton on The Amorous Ghost earlier that spring.) 
The studio wanted to settle the matter out of court, so the film could go into 
general release. Lewton, however, refused, feeling such a move could be 
considered an admission of guilt on his part. To everyone’s surprise at RKO, 
the judge ruled against Lewton, and while the two writers were only awarded 
half the amount they had asked for, the judge ordered the film be pulled from 
release.

This is from: http://www.horror-wood.com/lewton.htm

No explanation as to how it is the film was eventually released in 
1949, but it may explain the delay between '43 and '49.

I'll see if I can find out more.

Dave
  - Original Message - 
  From: Phil Edwards 
  To: Dave Rosen 
  Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 3:13 AM
  Subject: Re: [MOPO] Need help: Ghost Ship NSS #


  Dave,
  Do not forget that THE GHOST SHIP was delayed release by a few 
years as Warners took out a court order claiming similarities with
  THE SEA WOLF.

  I think you will find the date issue is not just a typo. This was 
all covered in the original thread and at length.

  Phil
- Original Message - 
From: Dave Rosen 
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Need help: Ghost Ship NSS #


Thanks, Grey and Peter. A typo, that explains it.

Much appreciated.

Dave
  - Original Message - 
  From: P Molitor 
  To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
  Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 9:15 PM
  Subject: Re: [MOPO] Need help: Ghost Ship NSS #


Hi Dave,  I remember that thread, think it was in the 
old MPT days.  General opinion was 'twere a typo on the poster.  That idiot 
Tibor was probably at the printing press that day.

I think all the confusion came about due to restored 
posters being given the original "43" instead of the correct

Re: [MOPO] Need help: Ghost Ship NSS #

[Bruce Hershenson]

You are both kind of right. This all started when a collector (who shall
remain nameless!) bought what he *THOUGHT* was a 1949 re-release one-sheet,
and he hired a restorer (who also shall remain nameless!) to paint over the
"9" with a "3" thinking he had masterfully pulled off the deception of the
decade!

He then consigned the poster to me, and since I knew the poster had been
printed with a 49 NSS, I looked at that area, saw the deceptive restoration,
and auctioned it as an altered original (and I suggested the new buyer have
an honest restorer reverse the deceptive restoration).

Back when that happened, it seemed incredibly far-fetched that you could
hire a restorer to forge a poster. However, I had seen similar alteration
forgeries over the years, and I would bet that many of the top collectors
own posters that they don't know are only half original, or originally had a
Spanish title, or are altered re-releases, and someday when they go to sell
their collections, they will learn some sad truths. And of course there is
no saying how many complete forgeries remain undiscovered.

Bruce

On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 7:09 PM, Dave Rosen  wrote:

>  Thanks, Peter, for your input. It's not a restoration error, btw, the
> 1-sheet is unrestored. It was an error by the printer who originally put the
> NSS # on the 1-sheet in 1943.
>
> Best of the holidays to you, too,
> Dave
>
>  - Original Message -
> *From:* P Molitor 
> *To:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
>   *Sent:* Monday, December 21, 2009 8:04 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [MOPO] Need help: Ghost Ship NSS #
>
>   That's exactly what I was wondering about too Bruce.  The dates
> are slipping my mind at the moment, but aren't the other Lewton (R)s in the
> '50s some time?
>
> I did look a little deeper into the '43 matter though, and it was released
> for Xmas '43, at least in New York (and reviewed by none other than Bosley
> Crowther - he thought it rather bloody).  Apparently it wasn't pulled until
> February of '44 as a result of the lawsuit, and it did build up a worthy
> box-office take in that time, so it would seem to be a national release.
>
> Hard to believe an error on a restoration could cause such a kerfuffle.
> Anyway, happy holidays to all on the 66th anniversary of "Ghost Ship," oh,
> and all that other stuff too.
>
> --Peter
>
> --- On *Mon, 12/21/09, Bruce Hershenson *wrote:
>
>
> From: Bruce Hershenson 
> Subject: Re: [MOPO] Need help: Ghost Ship NSS #
> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
> Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 4:52 PM
>
>  Here's my question. I have sold several one-sheets, lobby cards, an
> insert, and a half-sheet. *ALL* the one sheets had the 49 NSS, and *ALL*the 
> other sizes had the 43 NSS. If there had been a 49 re-release, what are
> the odds of that happening, and what are the odds that no one has ever seen
> even one item from the supposed 49 re-release *OTHER THAN* the one-sheets
> with the typo?
>
> Bruce
>
> On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 8:56 AM, Dave Rosen 
> http://us.mc315.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=hah...@sympatico.ca>
> > wrote:
>
>>  Thanks, Phil. Yeah, I seem to remember something like that as well.
>>
>> And here is what I just found online:
>>
>> *The Ghost Ship has acquired the almost legendary status of being a lost
>> Lewton film. The initial idea for the film was born out of necessity: Actor
>> Richard Dix still owed the studio one more picture, and there was a large
>> ship set standing on the lot from an earlier film that still had a bit more
>> cinematic mileage left in it. However, after the film opened, two writers
>> who had left an unsolicited manuscript with Lewton prior to production filed
>> a lawsuit against the producer, accusing him of pirating their idea.*
>> **
>> *As was standard procedure at RKO, their script had been returned to the
>> writers, unread. (In fact, The Ghost Ship was based on a story by Leo
>> Mittler, who had worked with Lewton on The Amorous Ghost earlier that
>> spring.) The studio wanted to settle the matter out of court, so the film
>> could go into general release. Lewton, however, refused, feeling such a move
>> could be considered an admission of guilt on his part. To everyone’s
>> surprise at RKO, the judge ruled against Lewton, and while the two writers
>> were only awarded half the amount they had asked for, the judge ordered the
>> film be pulled from release.*
>>
>> This is from: http://www.horror-wood.com/lewton.htm
>>
>> No explanation as to how it is the film was eventually released in 1949,
>> but it may explain the delay between '43 and '49.
>>
>> I'll see if I can find out more.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>  - Original Message -
>> *From:* Phil 
>> Edwards
>> *To:* Dave 
>> Rosen
>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 20, 2009 3:13 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [MOPO] Need help: Ghost Ship NSS #
>>
>> Dave,
>> Do not forget that THE GHOST SHIP was delayed r

Re: [MOPO] Need help: Ghost Ship NSS #

[Michael B]

wc fields:   YOU CAN'T CHEAT AN HONEST MAN


You are both kind of right. This all started when a collector (who shall remain 
nameless!) bought what he THOUGHT was a 1949 re-release one-sheet, and he hired 
a restorer (who also shall remain nameless!) to paint over the "9" with a "3" 
thinking he had masterfully pulled off the deception of the decade!
 





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Re: [MOPO] Need help: Ghost Ship NSS #

[Richard Halegua Comic Art & Movie Posters]

he also said

"My ex-wife drove me to drink and I never had the courtesy to thank her for it"


At 06:07 PM 12/21/2009, Michael B wrote:

wc fields:   YOU CAN'T CHEAT AN HONEST MAN
You are both kind of right. This all started when a collector (who 
shall remain nameless!) bought what he THOUGHT was a 1949 re-release 
one-sheet, and he hired a restorer (who also shall remain nameless!) 
to paint over the "9" with a "3" thinking he had masterfully pulled 
off the deception of the decade!



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[MOPO] Merry Christmas----- FAVORITE HOLIDAY MOVIE

[Michael B]

I break from the traditonal consensus.

My favorite holiday film is THE BISHOP'S WIFE  (the sermon in the last scene is 
very moving)

okay, okay, okay.. i know that most MOPOers vote for IT'S A 
WONDERFUL LIFE.

start the poll



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[MOPO] Favorite Holiday Movie

[Steve]

A Dog of Flanders (1960) starring David Ladd and Donald Crisp.



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Re: [MOPO] Favorite Holiday Movie

[Richard Auras]

As cookie cutter as it is, I can't feel like Christmas is almost here without 
watching A Christmas Carol with Alistair Sims and It's a Wonderful Life with 
that Jimmy Stewart guy.  Heck I am having 50 degree weather here in Texas so I 
have to watch movies to see what snow looks like

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A Dog of Flanders (1960) starring David Ladd and Donald Crisp. 

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Re: [MOPO] Favorite Holiday Movie

[Tom A. Pennock]

"The Cheaters"( Republic 1945) Also Known As "The Castaway" in a  later 
re-issue.
 
--Tom Pennock 
 
 
In a message dated 12/21/2009 9:56:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
ilovefi...@flash.net writes:

 
As cookie cutter as it is, I can't feel like Christmas is almost here  
without watching A Christmas Carol with Alistair Sims and It's a Wonderful  
Life 
with that Jimmy Stewart guy.  Heck I am having 50 degree weather  here in 
Texas so I have to watch movies to see what snow looks like
 
 Happy holidays All (and to all a good  night), Rick   
_www.ilovefilms.com_ (http://www.ilovefilms.com/) 


 

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Re: [MOPO] Favorite Holiday Movie

[Dave Rosen]

I don't usually go for the sentimental, but my favorite is Michael Curtiz' 
We're No Angels, with Bogie, Ustinov, Aldo Ray and Basil Rathbone.

On the less sentimental side, there's Silent Partner, a great little thriller 
with Christopher Plummer doing a star turn as a psycho in a role that's as far 
from Sound of Music as you can get.

Dave
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Re: [MOPO] Favorite Holiday Movie

[Greg]

Toss-up between "A Christmas Story" and "Bad Santa", both of which I 
watch annually. Keeps me fair & balanced.

Greg Douglass
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[MOPO] Favorite Holiday Movie

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my favorite is

it's a wonderful life

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Re: [MOPO] Favorite Holiday Movie

[Toochis Morin]

It's a wonderful life for me too and The Ref.

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Re: [MOPO] Favorite Holiday Movie

[Richard Halegua Comic Art & Movie Posters]

My favorite holiday movie is Dracula

it represents how the commercial interests have sucked the blood out 
of the true meaning of the holidays which is to have fun with your 
friends and to express charity to those that need it.


beyond that.. my vote goes for It's a Wonderful Life, which is the 
direct opposite of the above description


my alternate is the Alistair Sim version of Scrooge aka A Christmas 
Carol which again is the antithesis of the commercial hijacking of the holidays


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Re: [MOPO] Favorite Holiday Movie

[S.F. Poole]

Several of these mentioned are favorites.   Another favorite that seems to be a 
fogotten gem in the shadow of its predecessor is the unconvential Val Lewton 
produced CURSE OF THE CAT PEOPLEset during Christmastime.

Steve



 
> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 19:51:22 -0800
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> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
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> Toss-up between "A Christmas Story" and "Bad Santa", both of which I 
> watch annually. Keeps me fair & balanced.
> Greg Douglass
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Re: [MOPO] Favorite Holiday Movie

[Kirby McDaniel]

The unabashed favorite Holiday Movie around MovieArt would have to be THE LION 
IN WINTER, which we watch
every year!  We love to see Peter and Kate have a go at each other -- and that 
lovely John Barry score.

Kirby McDaniel
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On Dec 21, 2009, at 10:35 PM, S.F. Poole wrote:

> Several of these mentioned are favorites.   Another favorite that seems to be 
> a fogotten gem in the shadow of its predecessor is the unconvential Val 
> Lewton produced CURSE OF THE CAT PEOPLEset during Christmastime.
> 
> Steve
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[MOPO] Avatar - wowie zowie

[James Richard]

I saw AVATAR tonight was was duly amazed, astounded, stupefied and 
totally blown away.


Yes, the script and characters could have been more original -- and if 
fact I had hoped Cameron would do that, much as he did with TITANIC. In 
fact the script and characters are totally predictable once the story 
gets rolling and there are no surprises. Not one. But even if these 
aspects are totally familiar, they are still done extremely well. For 
most people, given what is unfolded before their eyes in 3D is so 
incredible it is probably best they have *something* familiar to hang on 
to. The scripts lack of originality is not really the point here. The 
immersive cinematic experience is the point -- and James Cameron takes 
us to another friggin' planet teaming with alien life and almost painful 
beauty in a way that has never... repeat never... been done before. We 
all do computer graphics here and, well, you ain't never seen no 
computer graphics like this before, folks.


I saw it in IMAX 3D and it was quite literally like being there. Really. 
And Cameron gives you one grand tour -- for a full hour and a half -- 
before the standard cowboys and indian plot really takes over for the 
last half. Yep, that's right, 3 hours long and worth every minute in the 
cramped hard-on-my-back theater seat (and the flipping 3D glasses not 
fitting properly over my aviator-style prescription glasses so that I 
had to fuss with them a bit and readjust them fairly often). None of 
that mattered -- the immersive visual experience is so completely stunning.


I second the emotion of everyone who as seen it: Go see it. See it as 
soon as you can. Do not settle for less than the 3D version -- and go 
for the IMAX 3D experience if you can.


This film *is* a game-changer. Within one year... two at the most... all 
major films will now be released in 3D. That's what will happen, no 
question.


But let me emphasize that AVATAR can stand on its own as a film without 
the 3D effect. That probably won't be something you can say about a lot 
of the "3D" films they will now rush to market, but AVATAR is a stunner 
on the flat screen as well. I tried this tonight by simply closing one 
eye occasionally and watching a few minutes in "flat screen" here and 
there. It was still visually astounding. But the 3D immersion is so 
practically perfect that it makes no sense not to see it in 3D and get 
the full effect. You should not sit too close... or too far back. About 
1/3 to 1/2 of the way from the screen and definitely sit as close to the 
center of screen as you can.


I cannot call this "the best film ever", at least not considering is as 
just another film. As "just another film", there have been many, many 
others -- even recently -- with more original and fully developed 
characters and plots. James Cameron's own TITANIC and THE ABYSS are 
better in those respects. But this is not just another film. It is the 
best 3D film and space flight/alien planet depiction ever done. It's one 
huge Sense of Wonder rush. It's like they finally invented light-speed 
space tourism for real and we all get to go.


Apparently I will have to get a set of contact lenses for use just when 
going to the movies from now on, so the 3D glasses will fit properly on 
my face.


-- JR

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Re: [MOPO] Need help: Ghost Ship NSS #

[Steven Hill]

Here's an excerpt from the chapter on THE GHOST SHIP from my own upcoming book 
"Silver Scream Vol 2: 40 Classic Horror Movies 1941-1951" (due out in April or 
sooner, for more info see http://silverscream.info )

"
Just a few weeks after its release, Val Lewton was sued for plagiarism by 
writers Samuel R Golding and Norbert Faulkner. Their claim was that after 
producing their play A Man and His Shadow (1942), they delivered an unsolicited 
copy of the script to Lewton’s office at RKO, and that Lewton used its ideas to 
create The Ghost Ship. In reality, the script was returned unread by Verna De 
Mots at RKO in accordance with studio rules. The claimants were suing for 
$50,000 but offered to settle out of court for $700. Lewton refused. In 
personal correspondence dated 26 August 1945, he wrote ‘I have a deep-seated 
moral feeling that such persons should not be allowed to get away with their 
little practices, even if it is much more convenient to let them get away with 
it.’ Confident that the stories had nothing in common other than basic dramatic 
building blocks, Lewton brought the case to trial. A California Superior Court 
awarded $25,000 damages to Golding and
 Faulkner on 31 August 1946. The case was appealed to the California Supreme 
Court, and the judgment was upheld on 28 April 1948. One more appeal brought it 
to the District Court of Appeal, where it was upheld again on 2 July 1949. As 
part of the judgment, the film was withdrawn from circulation. In the early 
1990s it resurfaced on the BBC and at film festivals, including a Val Lewton 
retrospective in New York City in 1993, where it was screened 42 times. The 
film was released to home video on laserdisc on 19 July 1995, at last assuming 
its rightful place among the rest of the Lewton horror cycle.
"

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-Steve





From: P Molitor 
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Sent: Mon, December 21, 2009 7:04:02 PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Need help: Ghost Ship NSS #


That's exactly what I was wondering about too Bruce.  The dates are slipping my 
mind at the moment, but aren't the other Lewton (R)s in the '50s some time?

I did look a little deeper into the '43 matter though, and it was released for 
Xmas '43, at least in New York (and reviewed by none other than Bosley Crowther 
- he thought it rather bloody).  Apparently it wasn't pulled until February of 
'44 as a result of the lawsuit, and it did build up a worthy box-office take in 
that time, so it would seem to be a national release.

Hard to believe an error on a restoration could cause such a kerfuffle.  
Anyway, happy holidays to all on the 66th anniversary of "Ghost Ship," oh, and 
all that other stuff too.

--Peter

--- On Mon, 12/21/09, Bruce Hershenson  wrote:


>From: Bruce Hershenson 
>Subject: Re: [MOPO] Need help: Ghost Ship NSS #
>To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
>Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 4:52 PM
>
>
>Here's my question. I have sold several one-sheets, lobby cards, an insert, 
>and a half-sheet. ALL the one sheets had the 49 NSS, and ALL the other sizes 
>had the 43 NSS. If there had been a 49 re-release, what are the odds of that 
>happening, and what are the odds that no one has ever seen even one item from 
>the supposed 49 re-release OTHER THAN the one-sheets with the typo?
>
>Bruce
>
>
>On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 8:56 AM, Dave Rosen  wrote:
>
>Thanks, Phil. Yeah, I seem to remember something like that as well.
>> 
>>And here is what I just found online:
>> 
>>The Ghost Ship has acquired the almost legendary status of being a lost 
>>Lewton film. The initial idea for the film was born out of necessity: Actor 
>>Richard Dix still owed the studio one more picture, and there was a large 
>>ship set standing on the lot from an earlier film that still had a bit more 
>>cinematic mileage left in it. However, after the film opened, two writers who 
>>had left an unsolicited manuscript with Lewton prior to production filed a 
>>lawsuit against the producer, accusing him of pirating their idea.
>> 
>>As was standard procedure at RKO, their script had been returned to the 
>>writers, unread. (In fact, The Ghost Ship was based on a story by Leo 
>>Mittler, who had worked with Lewton on The Amorous Ghost earlier that 
>>spring.) The studio wanted to settle the matter out of court, so the film 
>>could go into general release. Lewton, however, refused, feeling such a move 
>>could be considered an admission of guilt on his part. To everyone’s surprise 
>>at RKO, the judge ruled against Lewton, and while the two writers were only 
>>awarded half the amount they had asked for, the judge ordered the film be 
>>pulled from release.
>> 
>>This is from: http://www.horror-wood.com/lewton.htm
>> 
>>No explanation as to how it is the film was eventually released in 1949, but 
>>it may explain the delay between '43 and '49.
>> 
>>I'll see if I can find out more.
>> 
>>Da