Re: [MOPO] [FA] ULTRA Rare English One Sheet - The Third Man (1949)

[David]

Really? Is this about what EMP does when they discover they've made 
another mistake with the dating a poster they've sold or is it about 
dating a poster being offered for sale?


What does HA do? What if the buyer on EMP has moved? What if the buyer 
on eBay is not a collector, they're just a buyer of something they like 
and never again hangs round the darkened hallways of movie poster 
collector clubs? What if this poster never made the public forum and 
therefore the miss-dated posters sold by EMP & HA and others are never 
discovered? Does that make those purchases less fortunate?


It really doesn't matter, the point is, despite your remarks the seller 
is a genuine collector who _did_ make every reasonable attempt to 
correctly identify the poster and based on that he has listed the poster 
on BIDLL here.   I have been 
keeping him abreast of the some expert thoughts from here about the 
poster. However based on all the comments thus far, it does appear to be 
an original print that was bound for the overseas markets; I have also 
had this comment from a old time, some would say, expert UK collector 
(who cannot post to MoPo) but has been following the conversations and 
has this to say [some edit].


/Helmut had it about right, but the problem is not all copies were 
printed at the same printers, quite often posters were subbed out. So 
it's likely the overseas ones were printed at a different depot... I 
think Stafford's had 3. and If they were very busy, a complete other 
outfit would do the work./

/
/
/The poster on {BIDLL} is a first release 1sht for overseas. These were 
sometimes printed in the UK, and sometimes abroad. 1shts were used in 
the UK, but 95% of the time were for the colonies. there was also 
different artworks for the same artwork, so you can see sometimes slight 
differences. This was due to the unions to keep British artists working. 
They even copied US artwork for use in the UK. it gets a bit 
complicated, but this is why there is sometimes slight differences./



David




Jeff Potokar wrote on 22/06/2015 2:49 AM:

The other idea, too, is this.

What if this poster is sold as a first release and is later found to 
be a later RR? This seller is asking for a good amount of coinage for 
it, as a BIN. Would this seller refund the winning bidder or buyer, if 
it was worth much less than he sold it for, because it was found (some 
time down the road) to be a later RR?


EMP would offer that option, by contacting the new owner and offering 
his/her $$ back;  ebay has buyer protection, where a buyer/winning 
bidder could get a full refund if an item isn't as described.


At the end of the day, it's more about protecting both seller and buyer,


Jeff




On Jun 20, 2015, at 7:46 PM, David wrote:

So if that is NOT a 1949 original UK1SH for foreign distribution but 
perhaps a 1955 first release foreign 1SH (and I am not saying one way 
or another), it does lead down the dark path to the next most obvious 
question: what are and what date are these sold by EMP 
 
and the same question for these ones sold by HA 
 
(who have sold the /same/ poster both as an original 1949 and as an 
R-50s) all of which look like poor quality productions of this BIDLL 
one  and this EMP one 
 and 
none include the printer's details nor the litho details etc etc.


I guess when Jeff you said "/More research should be done on this 
before calling it a "for certain" '49 original release OS, one would 
think/" it seems obvious the seller did /exactly/ that by and 
referred to the two biggest databases around, taken the information 
as presented and understandably has now put his piece up for auction 
based on all that information.


Obviously there are a few stones to look under before we get there.

David



Jeff Potokar wrote on 21/06/2015 8:17 AM:

It does.

And Bruce may be mistaken, as well.

Jeff



On Jun 20, 2015, at 3:01 PM, David wrote:


Question to all...

Doesn't the BIDLL one look a whole lot like this 1949 version?

http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/archiveitem/12681291.html

David



Wim Jansen wrote on 21/06/2015 5:07 AM:
Okay this is bugging me, I have done a quick reference search 
based on pics of Heritage (nice details!) and Emovie (aaargh not 
enough detail) of London Films productions from Imdb.



Here we go:
FALLEN IDOL 1948onesheetLondon Film logo, nothing on Lion 
International Nottingham only
MAN BETWEEN 1953one sheetLondon Film logo, nothing on Lion 
International printer not visible
CAPTAIN�S PARADISE 53  halfsheetLondon Film credits no logo, 
British Lion logo (actual lion)

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Re: [MOPO] [FA] ULTRA Rare English One Sheet - The Third Man (1949)

[Jeff Potokar]

The other idea, too, is this.

What if this poster is sold as a first release and is later found to  
be a later RR? This seller is asking for a good amount of coinage for  
it, as a BIN. Would this seller refund the winning bidder or buyer,  
if it was worth much less than he sold it for, because it was found  
(some time down the road) to be a later RR?


EMP would offer that option, by contacting the new owner and offering  
his/her $$ back;  ebay has buyer protection, where a buyer/winning  
bidder could get a full refund if an item isn't as described.


At the end of the day, it's more about protecting both seller and buyer,


Jeff




On Jun 20, 2015, at 7:46 PM, David wrote:

So if that is NOT a 1949 original UK1SH for foreign distribution  
but perhaps a 1955 first release foreign 1SH (and I am not saying  
one way or another), it does lead down the dark path to the next  
most obvious question: what are and what date are these sold by EMP  
and the same question for these ones sold by HA (who have sold the  
same poster both as an original 1949 and as an R-50s) all of which  
look like poor quality productions of this BIDLL one and this EMP  
one and none include the printer's details nor the litho details  
etc etc.


I guess when Jeff you said "More research should be done on this  
before calling it a "for certain" '49 original release OS, one  
would think" it seems obvious the seller did exactly that by and  
referred to the two biggest databases around, taken the information  
as presented and understandably has now put his piece up for  
auction based on all that information.


Obviously there are a few stones to look under before we get there.

David



Jeff Potokar wrote on 21/06/2015 8:17 AM:

It does.

And Bruce may be mistaken, as well.

Jeff



On Jun 20, 2015, at 3:01 PM, David wrote:


Question to all...

Doesn't the BIDLL one look a whole lot like this 1949 version?

http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/archiveitem/12681291.html

David



Wim Jansen wrote on 21/06/2015 5:07 AM:
Okay this is bugging me, I have done a quick reference search  
based on pics of Heritage (nice details!) and Emovie (aaargh not  
enough detail) of London Films productions from Imdb.



Here we go:
FALLEN IDOL 1948 onesheet London Film logo, nothing on Lion  
International  Nottingham only
MAN BETWEEN 1953 one sheet London Film logo, nothing on Lion  
International  printer not visible
CAPTAIN�S PARADISE 53  halfsheet London Film credits no logo,  
British Lion logo (actual lion)  Nott.ham only
HOBSON�s CHOIce 1954  one sheet London Film logo, nothing on  
Lion International probably just Nottingham - unclear
BELLES OF ST.TRINIANS 1954 3sheet  London Films International  
and logo printer not visible
RICHARD III 1955 onesheet   �distribution controlled by London  
Films International", no logo Nottingham and London
Kid FOR TWO FARTHINGS 1955 one sheet  London Film  
logoNott.ham and London
IRON PETTICOAT 1956  six sheet Lion International, no London  
Film printer not visible


I think I have solid ground for my position that it�s a  
rerelease, I�d say after 1955. There�s a book on the history  
of the Stafford Company by a local heritage writer, but there�s  
not a copy available on the net. Grrr, I want that. However I  
would not be at all surprised the Biddll one is printed in  
London in late 1955 the earliest.


Wim

Op 20 jun. 2015, om 20:22 heeft Jeff Potokar  
 het volgende geschreven:


From the British Lion website. A brief history of the company,  
also mentioning that BL became a distribution company in 1955,  
after it fell into receivership.


http://www.britishlion.com/british-lion-history.shtml



Jeff









On Jun 20, 2015, at 11:04 AM, Wim Jansen wrote:

I disagree, I think the absence off the London Film logo is  
pretty crucial. Anyway I�m gonna find my Carol Reed book,  
maybe that has some more details on the release schedule,  
probably not though.


Looking at the re-release posters on Heritage and emovie I�m  
wondering how sure are we that those are not international  
releases and the Biddl one is the real English rerelease. That  
would also explain  the  
differences in the printer information.


W
Op 20 jun. 2015, om 19:49 heeft Simon Oram  
 het volgende geschreven:


I'm more in the thinking that it's a International UK 1 sheet  
for the first release in one of the colonies. Due to its  
obvious closeness and decent printing standard it's very  
close to the original release date. David said that The Third  
Man was released in Australia March 1950. OK the poster is in  
New Zealand but I think with that sort of info that sways me  
into thinking that way.


Simon

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