Re: [MOPO] Everett personal Movie Poster sale Part 1

2015-06-24 Thread allen day
Hi Morrie et al,

After reviewing the pdf file for the auction with all of the RARE paper in
this event (and several more in the future!!!) ... all I can say ...

Hot Smacky Damn

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[MOPO] FA: Heritage has African Queen, Tarzan and the Huntress, 12 Angry Men, WWI Propaganda, King Kong, and Much, Much More!

2015-06-24 Thread Carteron, Bruce - 1551
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This week Heritage features a GREAT selection of 484 VINTAGE lots of RARE MOVIE 
POSTERS, LOBBY CARDS, PHOTOS, and related Memorabilia ending this Sunday, June 
28th, with a LIVE AUCTION beginning at 6PM CT!

www.ha.com/161526http://www.ha.com/161526
We are always seeking quality consignments of vintage movie posters and 
advertising ephemera as well as vintage travel, advertising and propaganda 
posters.
Contact us to learn how we can help you. 
https://movieposters.ha.com/c/acquisitions.zx or tel:1-800-872-6467 X 1367.
Here are just a few of the lots available for bidding this week!!

The African Queen (United Artists, 1952). Lobby Card Set (11 X 14).
http://movieposters.ha.com/itm/adventure/the-african-queen-united-artists-1952-title-lobby-card-andamp-lobby-card-11-x-14-adventure-total-2-items-/a/161526-54016.s
http://movieposters.ha.com/itm/adventure/the-african-queen-united-artists-1952-lobby-cards-2-11-x-14-adventure-total-2-items-/a/161526-54015.s
http://movieposters.ha.com/itm/adventure/the-african-queen-united-artists-1952-lobby-cards-2-11-x-14-adventure-total-2-items-/a/161526-54014.s
http://movieposters.ha.com/itm/adventure/the-african-queen-united-artists-1952-lobby-cards-2-11-x-14-adventure-total-2-items-/a/161526-54017.s

[http://dyn3.heritagestatic.com/lf?set=path%5b1/2/8/6/1/12861071%5d,sizedata%5b450x2000%5dcall=url%5bfile:product.chain%5d]
[http://dyn1.heritagestatic.com/lf?set=path%5b1/2/8/6/1/12861069%5d,sizedata%5b450x2000%5dcall=url%5bfile:product.chain%5d]
[http://dyn3.heritagestatic.com/lf?set=path%5b1/2/8/6/1/12861068%5d,sizedata%5b450x2000%5dcall=url%5bfile:product.chain%5d]
[http://dyn2.heritagestatic.com/lf?set=path%5b1/2/8/6/1/12861070%5d,sizedata%5b450x2000%5dcall=url%5bfile:product.chain%5d]

Tarzan and the Huntress (RKO, 1948). Italian 2 - Foglio (39 X 55).
http://movieposters.ha.com/itm/adventure/tarzan-and-the-huntress-rko-1948-italian-2-foglio-39-x-55-adventure/a/161526-54429.s

[http://dyn1.heritagestatic.com/lf?set=path%5b1/0/6/2/6/10626672%5d,sizedata%5b450x2000%5dcall=url%5bfile:product.chain%5d]

12 Angry Men (United Artists, 1957). One Sheet (27 X 41).
http://movieposters.ha.com/itm/drama/12-angry-men-united-artists-1957-one-sheet-27-x-41-drama/a/161526-54002.s

[http://dyn3.heritagestatic.com/lf?set=path%5b1/2/8/4/9/12849056%5d,sizedata%5b450x2000%5dcall=url%5bfile:product.chain%5d]

World War I Propaganda Poster (U.S. Government Printing Office, 1918). Victory 
Liberty Loans Poster (20 X 30) For Home and Country.
http://movieposters.ha.com/itm/war/world-war-i-propaganda-poster-us-government-printing-office-1918-victory-liberty-loans-poster-20-x-30-for-home-an/a/161526-54481.s

[http://dyn3.heritagestatic.com/lf?set=path%5b1/2/8/5/6/12856492%5d,sizedata%5b450x2000%5dcall=url%5bfile:product.chain%5d]

King Kong (RKO, R-1960s). Poster (18.5 X 24.5).
http://movieposters.ha.com/itm/horror/king-kong-rko-r-1960s-poster-185-x-245-horror/a/161526-54280.s

[http://dyn3.heritagestatic.com/lf?set=path%5b1/2/8/5/7/12857034%5d,sizedata%5b450x2000%5dcall=url%5bfile:product.chain%5d]

Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (Columbia, 
1964). Half Sheet (22 X 28).
http://movieposters.ha.com/itm/comedy/dr-strangelove-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-bomb-columbia-1964-half-sheet-22-x-28-comedy/a/161526-54141.s

[http://dyn2.heritagestatic.com/lf?set=path%5b1/2/8/5/6/12856431%5d,sizedata%5b450x2000%5dcall=url%5bfile:product.chain%5d]

American Graffiti (Universal, 1973). One Sheet (27 X 41).
http://movieposters.ha.com/itm/comedy/american-graffiti-universal-1973-one-sheet-27-x-41-comedy/a/161526-54025.s

[http://dyn1.heritagestatic.com/lf?set=path%5b1/2/8/5/1/12851518%5d,sizedata%5b450x2000%5dcall=url%5bfile:product.chain%5d]

The Empire Strikes Back (20th Century Fox, 1980). International One Sheet (27 
X 41) Style A.
http://movieposters.ha.com/itm/science-fiction/the-empire-strikes-back-20th-century-fox-1980-international-one-sheet-27-x-41-style-a-science-fiction/a/161526-54149.s

[http://dyn3.heritagestatic.com/lf?set=path%5b1/2/8/4/9/12849557%5d,sizedata%5b450x2000%5dcall=url%5bfile:product.chain%5d]

Marnie (Universal, 1964). Lobby Cards (7) (11 X 14).
http://movieposters.ha.com/itm/hitchcock/marnie-universal-1964-lobby-cards-7-11-x-14-hitchcock-total-7-items-/a/161526-54321.s

[http://dyn2.heritagestatic.com/lf?set=path%5b1/2/3/5/7/12357949%5d,sizedata%5b450x2000%5dcall=url%5bfile:product.chain%5d]

Rebel without a Cause (Warner Brothers, 1964). Spanish One Sheet (27.25 X 
39.25).
http://movieposters.ha.com/itm/drama/rebel-without-a-cause-warner-brothers-1964-spanish-one-sheet-2725-x-3925-drama/a/161526-54382.s

[http://dyn1.heritagestatic.com/lf?set=path%5b1/2/8/5/1/12851347%5d,sizedata%5b450x2000%5dcall=url%5bfile:product.chain%5d]

Jungle Man-Eaters (Columbia, 1954). One Sheet (27 X 41).

Re: [MOPO] My history of bad luck chasing an original Third Man (1949).

2015-06-24 Thread Jeff Potokar

Was that offered refund a result of this 2015 conversation, Phillipp?

Good for you, if so. That's what discussion and collecting is all about.






On Jun 24, 2015, at 8:41 PM, Philipp Kainbacher wrote:

I would like to inform that Grey has immediately offered to refund  
the money for the Third Man poster. I have been dealing with Grey  
since day one of his auctions buying and selling posters.

Philipp

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 22, 2015, at 4:07 PM, David Kusumoto  
davidmkusum...@hotmail.com wrote:


* After reading mostly dealer posts for five straight days, here  
are my observations for consumers.  Unless indicated, the  
following are OPINIONS, not facts.  They shed no additional  
information other than to provide my own history - then vs. now -  
about this title.  (Again, it's too bad Bruce Hershenson quit MOPO  
- as his views would have been invaluable as NO ONE has handled  
more movie paper - nor owns a titanic collection of press books  
from around the world than he.)


1.  My opinion is Bidll's The Third Man is an international  
one-sheet of some kind - that was never intended for display in  
the U.K.  Anything else is possible, but that's where I fall if I  
were interested in buying it.  Parenthetically, among the many  
points and markers debated as to first issue or re-issue and  
international vs domestic, I find it intriguing that the seller -  
who strikes me as being very conscientious - resides in New  
Zealand yet has little provenance information about how and where  
this apparently rolled poster was acquired as well as other  
details such as texture, etc.  This may not be empirically  
relevant to this poster compared to printed markers, but in my  
view, its geographic location and how it feels is  
circumstantially relevant to the debate of national vs.  
international, original or re-issue.


2.  As some know, I used to collect only COUNTRY-OF-ORIGIN  
DOMESTIC ISSUE posters, a common practice among collectors of  
country-of-origin first edition books.  A country of origin The  
Third Man poster was once at the top of my list of wants.


3.  Today, if I stuck to my old narrow (minded) preferences, I'd  
only buy a first issue BQ of Third Man. While I love VINTAGE  
international one-sheets or daybills - for The Third Man, I  
won't.  To put it bluntly, I was burned by a major auction house  
(Heritage) - by its mis-representation of this title way back in  
2003.  Heritage's actions were NOT intentional - and to be fair -  
I was frankly ignorant about what Helmut rightly says about the  
general rule - but NOT the law - that British one-sheets were  
predominantly targeted for international markets.  And for some  
hare-brained reason (at the time) - I thought the U.K. one-sheet  
format was common enough to be displayed sporadically  
domestically, though not favored compared to the more popular quad.


* On 20 November 2003, I bought a British RE-ISSUE one-sheet from  
Heritage to The Third Man for $1725 - that Heritage mis- 
represented as a 1949 first U.K. issue.  The original 2003  
description has not changed hence you can still see its mistake at  
the link below.  Note how there is no information about it being a  
reissue of any kind; Heritage simply declares it as original  
and labels its date to 1949:


http://comics.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=808lotNo=1119

Image 1 of 5 (Heritage, November 2003, $1725):



* I did NOT learn until one year later that Heritage  
misrepresented the poster I bought for $1725 as a 1949 original  
when it was in fact a 1950s re-issue.  Sure, I could have raised  
hell but did not, out of deference to my friendship with Grey -  
but just as important - I did not because of the intimidating  
legal wording in Heritage's terms and conditions about its  
responsibility for errors - which implied no returns accepted - or  
- at the very least, an unwritten statute of limitations to  
resolve disputes.


* One year later, in November 2004 - Heritage sold ANOTHER 1950s  
re-issue - but this time, it correctly identified it as a re- 
issue, and it fetched for $1150.  This was the date of my  
discovery - that what I bought the year before - had been  
misrepresented by Heritage.  Frankly, Buyer Beware didn't enter  
my mind in 2003 with Heritage, even though it was new to the movie  
poster auction scene.


http://movieposters.ha.com/itm/film-noir/the-third-man-british- 
lion-film-1949-/a/607-19401.s


Image 2 of 5 (Heritage, November 2004, $1150):


* I grumbled but didn't want to cause a scene because I like  
Grey.  I kept the re-issue poster I bought in November 2003 for  
four years.


* By March 2006, Heritage apparently got it right.  I say  
apparently because in recent days, there have been legitimate  
questions in the debate about originals vs. re-issues in recent  
days on MoPo.  The example below was represented as a genuine U.K.  
1949 original and it sold for $5750:



Re: [MOPO] My history of bad luck chasing an original Third Man (1949).

2015-06-24 Thread Philipp Kainbacher
Yes Jeff from today's conversation. 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 24, 2015, at 9:56 PM, Jeff Potokar jpotok...@ca.rr.com wrote:
 
 Was that offered refund a result of this 2015 conversation, Phillipp?
 
 Good for you, if so. That's what discussion and collecting is all about.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On Jun 24, 2015, at 8:41 PM, Philipp Kainbacher wrote:
 
 I would like to inform that Grey has immediately offered to refund the money 
 for the Third Man poster. I have been dealing with Grey since day one of his 
 auctions buying and selling posters.
 Philipp
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jun 22, 2015, at 4:07 PM, David Kusumoto davidmkusum...@hotmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 * After reading mostly dealer posts for five straight days, here are my 
 observations for consumers.  Unless indicated, the following are OPINIONS, 
 not facts.  They shed no additional information other than to provide my 
 own history - then vs. now - about this title.  (Again, it's too bad Bruce 
 Hershenson quit MOPO - as his views would have been invaluable as NO ONE 
 has handled more movie paper - nor owns a titanic collection of press books 
 from around the world than he.) 
 
 1.  My opinion is Bidll's The Third Man is an international one-sheet 
 of some kind - that was never intended for display in the U.K.  Anything 
 else is possible, but that's where I fall if I were interested in buying 
 it.  Parenthetically, among the many points and markers debated as to first 
 issue or re-issue and international vs domestic, I find it intriguing that 
 the seller - who strikes me as being very conscientious - resides in New 
 Zealand yet has little provenance information about how and where this 
 apparently rolled poster was acquired as well as other details such as 
 texture, etc.  This may not be empirically relevant to this poster 
 compared to printed markers, but in my view, its geographic location and 
 how it feels is circumstantially relevant to the debate of national vs. 
 international, original or re-issue.
 
 2.  As some know, I used to collect only COUNTRY-OF-ORIGIN DOMESTIC ISSUE 
 posters, a common practice among collectors of country-of-origin first 
 edition books.  A country of origin The Third Man poster was once at the 
 top of my list of wants.
 
 3.  Today, if I stuck to my old narrow (minded) preferences, I'd only buy a 
 first issue BQ of Third Man. While I love VINTAGE international 
 one-sheets or daybills - for The Third Man, I won't.  To put it bluntly, 
 I was burned by a major auction house (Heritage) - by its 
 mis-representation of this title way back in 2003.  Heritage's actions were 
 NOT intentional - and to be fair - I was frankly ignorant about what Helmut 
 rightly says about the general rule - but NOT the law - that British 
 one-sheets were predominantly targeted for international markets.  And for 
 some hare-brained reason (at the time) - I thought the U.K. one-sheet 
 format was common enough to be displayed sporadically domestically, 
 though not favored compared to the more popular quad.
 
 * On 20 November 2003, I bought a British RE-ISSUE one-sheet from Heritage 
 to The Third Man for $1725 - that Heritage mis-represented as a 1949 
 first U.K. issue.  The original 2003 description has not changed hence you 
 can still see its mistake at the link below.  Note how there is no 
 information about it being a reissue of any kind; Heritage simply 
 declares it as original and labels its date to 1949:
 
 http://comics.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=808lotNo=1119
 
 Image 1 of 5 (Heritage, November 2003, $1725):
 
 
 
 * I did NOT learn until one year later that Heritage misrepresented the 
 poster I bought for $1725 as a 1949 original when it was in fact a 1950s 
 re-issue.  Sure, I could have raised hell but did not, out of deference to 
 my friendship with Grey - but just as important - I did not because of the 
 intimidating legal wording in Heritage's terms and conditions about its 
 responsibility for errors - which implied no returns accepted - or - at the 
 very least, an unwritten statute of limitations to resolve disputes.
 
 * One year later, in November 2004 - Heritage sold ANOTHER 1950s re-issue - 
 but this time, it correctly identified it as a re-issue, and it fetched for 
 $1150.  This was the date of my discovery - that what I bought the year 
 before - had been misrepresented by Heritage.  Frankly, Buyer Beware 
 didn't enter my mind in 2003 with Heritage, even though it was new to the 
 movie poster auction scene.
 
 http://movieposters.ha.com/itm/film-noir/the-third-man-british-lion-film-1949-/a/607-19401.s
 
 Image 2 of 5 (Heritage, November 2004, $1150):
 
 
 * I grumbled but didn't want to cause a scene because I like Grey.  I kept 
 the re-issue poster I bought in November 2003 for four years.  
 
 * By March 2006, Heritage apparently got it right.  I say apparently 
 because in recent days, there have been legitimate questions in the debate 
 about originals vs. re-issues in recent days on 

Re: [MOPO] My history of bad luck chasing an original Third Man (1949).

2015-06-24 Thread Philipp Kainbacher
I would like to inform that Grey has immediately offered to refund the money 
for the Third Man poster. I have been dealing with Grey since day one of his 
auctions buying and selling posters.
Philipp

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 22, 2015, at 4:07 PM, David Kusumoto davidmkusum...@hotmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 * After reading mostly dealer posts for five straight days, here are my 
 observations for consumers.  Unless indicated, the following are OPINIONS, 
 not facts.  They shed no additional information other than to provide my own 
 history - then vs. now - about this title.  (Again, it's too bad Bruce 
 Hershenson quit MOPO - as his views would have been invaluable as NO ONE has 
 handled more movie paper - nor owns a titanic collection of press books from 
 around the world than he.) 
 
 1.  My opinion is Bidll's The Third Man is an international one-sheet of 
 some kind - that was never intended for display in the U.K.  Anything else 
 is possible, but that's where I fall if I were interested in buying it.  
 Parenthetically, among the many points and markers debated as to first issue 
 or re-issue and international vs domestic, I find it intriguing that the 
 seller - who strikes me as being very conscientious - resides in New Zealand 
 yet has little provenance information about how and where this apparently 
 rolled poster was acquired as well as other details such as texture, etc.  
 This may not be empirically relevant to this poster compared to printed 
 markers, but in my view, its geographic location and how it feels is 
 circumstantially relevant to the debate of national vs. international, 
 original or re-issue.
 
 2.  As some know, I used to collect only COUNTRY-OF-ORIGIN DOMESTIC ISSUE 
 posters, a common practice among collectors of country-of-origin first 
 edition books.  A country of origin The Third Man poster was once at the 
 top of my list of wants.
 
 3.  Today, if I stuck to my old narrow (minded) preferences, I'd only buy a 
 first issue BQ of Third Man. While I love VINTAGE international one-sheets 
 or daybills - for The Third Man, I won't.  To put it bluntly, I was burned 
 by a major auction house (Heritage) - by its mis-representation of this title 
 way back in 2003.  Heritage's actions were NOT intentional - and to be fair - 
 I was frankly ignorant about what Helmut rightly says about the general 
 rule - but NOT the law - that British one-sheets were predominantly 
 targeted for international markets.  And for some hare-brained reason (at the 
 time) - I thought the U.K. one-sheet format was common enough to be 
 displayed sporadically domestically, though not favored compared to the more 
 popular quad.
 
 * On 20 November 2003, I bought a British RE-ISSUE one-sheet from Heritage to 
 The Third Man for $1725 - that Heritage mis-represented as a 1949 first 
 U.K. issue.  The original 2003 description has not changed hence you can 
 still see its mistake at the link below.  Note how there is no information 
 about it being a reissue of any kind; Heritage simply declares it as 
 original and labels its date to 1949:
 
 http://comics.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=808lotNo=1119
 
 Image 1 of 5 (Heritage, November 2003, $1725):
 
 
 
 * I did NOT learn until one year later that Heritage misrepresented the 
 poster I bought for $1725 as a 1949 original when it was in fact a 1950s 
 re-issue.  Sure, I could have raised hell but did not, out of deference to my 
 friendship with Grey - but just as important - I did not because of the 
 intimidating legal wording in Heritage's terms and conditions about its 
 responsibility for errors - which implied no returns accepted - or - at the 
 very least, an unwritten statute of limitations to resolve disputes.
 
 * One year later, in November 2004 - Heritage sold ANOTHER 1950s re-issue - 
 but this time, it correctly identified it as a re-issue, and it fetched for 
 $1150.  This was the date of my discovery - that what I bought the year 
 before - had been misrepresented by Heritage.  Frankly, Buyer Beware didn't 
 enter my mind in 2003 with Heritage, even though it was new to the movie 
 poster auction scene.
 
 http://movieposters.ha.com/itm/film-noir/the-third-man-british-lion-film-1949-/a/607-19401.s
 
 Image 2 of 5 (Heritage, November 2004, $1150):
 
 
 * I grumbled but didn't want to cause a scene because I like Grey.  I kept 
 the re-issue poster I bought in November 2003 for four years.  
 
 * By March 2006, Heritage apparently got it right.  I say apparently 
 because in recent days, there have been legitimate questions in the debate 
 about originals vs. re-issues in recent days on MoPo.  The example below was 
 represented as a genuine U.K. 1949 original and it sold for $5750:
 
 http://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=633lotNo=28253
 
 Image 3 of 5 (Heritage, March 2006, $5750):
 
 
 
 * In 2007, after I decided to leave hard core poster collecting, I consigned 
 my bogus $1725 original The Third Man poster that I bought from 

Re: [MOPO] My history of bad luck chasing an original Third Man (1949).

2015-06-24 Thread Richard Halegua Comic Art

outstanding service!


At 08:41 PM 6/24/2015, Philipp Kainbacher wrote:
I would like to inform that Grey has immediately offered to refund 
the money for the Third Man poster. I have been dealing with Grey 
since day one of his auctions buying and selling posters.

Philipp

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 22, 2015, at 4:07 PM, David Kusumoto 
mailto:davidmkusum...@hotmail.comdavidmkusum...@hotmail.com wrote:


* After reading mostly dealer posts for five straight days, here 
are my observations for consumers.  Unless indicated, the following 
are OPINIONS, not facts.  They shed no additional information other 
than to provide my own history - then vs. now - about this 
title.  (Again, it's too bad Bruce Hershenson quit MOPO - as his 
views would have been invaluable as NO ONE has handled more movie 
paper - nor owns a titanic collection of press books from around 
the world than he.)


1.  My opinion is Bidll's The Third Man is an international 
one-sheet of some kind - that was never intended for display in 
the U.K.  Anything else is possible, but that's where I fall if I 
were interested in buying it.  Parenthetically, among the many 
points and markers debated as to first issue or re-issue and 
international vs domestic, I find it intriguing that the seller - 
who strikes me as being very conscientious - resides in New Zealand 
yet has little provenance information about how and where this 
apparently rolled poster was acquired as well as other details such 
as texture, etc.  This may not be empirically relevant to this 
poster compared to printed markers, but in my view, its geographic 
location and how it feels is circumstantially relevant to the 
debate of national vs. international, original or re-issue.


2.  As some know, I used to collect only COUNTRY-OF-ORIGIN DOMESTIC 
ISSUE posters, a common practice among collectors of 
country-of-origin first edition books.  A country of origin The 
Third Man poster was once at the top of my list of wants.


3.  Today, if I stuck to my old narrow (minded) preferences, I'd 
only buy a first issue BQ of Third Man. While I love VINTAGE 
international one-sheets or daybills - for The Third Man, I 
won't.  To put it bluntly, I was burned by a major auction house 
(Heritage) - by its mis-representation of this title way back in 
2003.  Heritage's actions were NOT intentional - and to be fair - I 
was frankly ignorant about what Helmut rightly says about the 
general rule - but NOT the law - that British one-sheets were 
predominantly targeted for international markets.  And for some 
hare-brained reason (at the time) - I thought the U.K. one-sheet 
format was common enough to be displayed sporadically 
domestically, though not favored compared to the more popular quad.


* On 20 November 2003, I bought a British RE-ISSUE one-sheet from 
Heritage to The Third Man for $1725 - that Heritage 
mis-represented as a 1949 first U.K. issue.  The original 2003 
description has not changed hence you can still see its mistake at 
the link below.  Note how there is no information about it being a 
reissue of any kind; Heritage simply declares it as original 
and labels its date to 1949:


http://comics.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=808lotNo=1119http://comics.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=808lotNo=1119

Image 1 of 5 (Heritage, November 2003, $1725):

http://imageshack.us/a/img69/2497/s3mu.jpg


* I did NOT learn until one year later that Heritage misrepresented 
the poster I bought for $1725 as a 1949 original when it was in 
fact a 1950s re-issue.  Sure, I could have raised hell but did not, 
out of deference to my friendship with Grey - but just as important 
- I did not because of the intimidating legal wording in Heritage's 
terms and conditions about its responsibility for errors - which 
implied no returns accepted - or - at the very least, an unwritten 
statute of limitations to resolve disputes.


* One year later, in November 2004 - Heritage sold ANOTHER 1950s 
re-issue - but this time, it correctly identified it as a re-issue, 
and it fetched for $1150.  This was the date of my discovery - that 
what I bought the year before - had been misrepresented by 
Heritage.  Frankly, Buyer Beware didn't enter my mind in 2003 
with Heritage, even though it was new to the movie poster auction scene.


http://movieposters.ha.com/itm/film-noir/the-third-man-british-lion-film-1949-/a/607-19401.shttp://movieposters.ha.com/itm/film-noir/the-third-man-british-lion-film-1949-/a/607-19401.s

Image 2 of 5 (Heritage, November 2004, $1150):
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img538/7156/1PIk60.jpg


* I grumbled but didn't want to cause a scene because I like 
Grey.  I kept the re-issue poster I bought in November 2003 for four years.


* By March 2006, Heritage apparently got it right.  I say 
apparently because in recent days, there have been legitimate 
questions in the debate about originals vs. re-issues in recent 
days on MoPo.  The example below was represented as a genuine U.K. 
1949 original and 

[MOPO] FA/FS: Some Great Items ENDING TONIGHT!!

2015-06-24 Thread Todd


From: toddfeier...@msn.com
To: mopo-l@listserv.american.edu
Subject: FA/FS: Some Great Items ENDING TONIGHT  TOMORROW EVENING!!
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 19:10:48 -0400









Hello MoPo,

I currently have 148 items on ebay with some ENDING TONIGHT including:

THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK 1980 * STAR WARS * ADVANCE  ONE SHEET * C10 MINT 
UNUSED!ALIEN 1979 * RIDLEY SCOTT * SCI-FI HORROR * 27 x 41 ONE SHEET * C10 MINT 
UNUSED!SCARFACE 1983 * AL PACINO * MICHELLE PFEIFFER * ONE SHEET * C10 MINT 
UNUSED!!THE BREAKFAST CLUB 1984 * MOLLY RINGWALD * RARE ADVANCE SUBWAY POSTER * 
C10 MINTCONAN THE BARBARIAN 1982 * ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER * SANDAHL BERGMAN * 
ONE SHEET!!CEILING ZERO 1936 * JAMES CAGNEY * PAT O'BRIEN * HOWARD HAWKS * 14 x 
36 INSERT!!RETURN OF THE JEDI 1983 * GEORGE LUCAS * STYLE-B ONE SHEET * C10 
MINT UNUSED!!THE DARK CRYSTAL 1982 * JIM HANSEN * FRANK OZ * ONE SHEET * NEAR 
MINT UNUSED!!
If you have a minute, please feel free to check them all out at the following 
link:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/toddfeiertag/m.html?_ipg=200_sop=10_rdc=1

If the above link doesn't work, you can search by my Ebay User id: toddfeiertag

**Many
 of the MINT UNUSED posters I obtained personally almost 40 years ago 
when I had a good connection with National Screen Service.
You
 would be hard pressed to find these same titles that are now almost 40 
years old in this MINT UNUSED condition anywhere else and if you do, 
they probably came from me and will be a lot more expensive!!

Here's a small sampling of some of the items listed.
HALLOWEEN ll 1981 * JAMIE LEE CURTIS * DONALD PLEASENCE * HORROR 1 SHEET * 
MINT!MONTY PYTHON'S THE MEANING OF LIFE 1983 * JOHN CLEESE * 27 x 41 ONE SHEET 
* MINTRETURN OF THE JEDI 1983 * GEORGE LUCAS * STYLE-B ONE SHEET * C10 MINT 
UNUSED!!THE WRONG MAN 1956 * ALFRED HITCHCOCK * EXTREMELY RARE HALF SHEET * 
MINT!!RINGS ON HER FINGERS 1942 * HENRY FONDA * GENE TIERNEY * STONE LITHO 
THREE SHEETCHAMPAGNE SAFARI 1954 * RITA HAYWORTH * PRINCE ALY KHAN * TITLE CARD 
* RARE!!!2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY 1968 * STANLEY KUBRICK * COMPLETE LOBBY CARD SET 
* RARE!!MOONRAKER 1979 * JAMES BOND 007 * 27 x 41 REVIEW ONE SHEET * C10 MINT 
UNUSED!!GAME OF DEATH 1978 * BRUCE LEE * KUNG FU * 27 x 41 ONE SHEET * C10 MINT 
UNUSED!!GOLDFINGER 1964 * JAMES BOND 007 * SEAN CONNERY * RARE MINT PRESSBOOK * 
L@@K!!THE ENFORCER 1977 * CLINT EASTWOOD * DIRTY HARRY * ONE SHEET * C10 MINT 
UNUSED!WESTERN GOLD R-1940'S * SMITH BALLEW * 27x41 B-WESTERN MORGAN LITHO * 
NEAR MINT!
Plus Lots More!!

Again, please feel free to check them ALL out!


Thanks.
Todd Feiertag






























  
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Re: [MOPO] My history of bad luck chasing an original Third Man (1949).

2015-06-24 Thread Philipp K
DavidI was the person winning the Third Man from Heritage in November 
2004...my good the times does go fastI paid the price thinking that I get a 
low price based on the original Third Man poster David was winning a year 
earlierNobody told me that Davids copy was a re-release postercertainly 
a bad day with Heritagereally bad considering everything...I would have 
never bid so high knowing that the poster is a re-release posterI believe 
that David and myself are on the same boatwe both love the film but got 
really mis-informed of the posterthis was a domino effectreally 
bad...bad badPhilipp


-Original Message-
From: David Kusumoto davidmkusum...@hotmail.com
To: MoPo-L MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Sent: Mon, Jun 22, 2015 4:07 pm
Subject: [MOPO] My history of bad luck chasing an original Third Man (1949).


 
   

 
  
   

* After reading mostly dealer posts for five straight days, here are my 
observations for consumers.  Unless indicated, the following are OPINIONS, not 
facts.  They shed no additional information other than to provide my own 
history - then vs. now - about this title.  (Again, it's too bad Bruce 
Hershenson quit MOPO - as his views would have been invaluable as NO ONE has 
handled more movie paper - nor owns a titanic collection of press books from 
around the world than he.) 

1.  My opinion is Bidll's The Third Man is an international one-sheet of 
some kind - that was never intended for display in the U.K.  Anything else is 
possible, but that's where I fall if I were interested in buying it.  
Parenthetically, among the many points and markers debated as to first issue or 
re-issue and international vs domestic, I find it intriguing that the seller - 
who strikes me as being very conscientious - resides in New Zealand yet has 
little provenance information about how and where this apparently rolled poster 
was acquired as well as other details such as texture, etc.  This may not be 
empirically relevant to this poster compared to printed markers, but in my 
view, its geographic location and how it feels is circumstantially relevant 
to the debate of national vs. international, original or re-issue.

2.  As some know, I used to collect only COUNTRY-OF-ORIGIN DOMESTIC ISSUE 
posters, a common practice among collectors of country-of-origin first edition 
books.  A country of origin The Third Man poster was once at the top of my 
list of wants.

3.  Today, if I stuck to my old narrow (minded) preferences, I'd only buy a 
first issue BQ of Third Man. While I love VINTAGE international one-sheets or 
daybills - for The Third Man, I won't.  To put it bluntly, I was burned by a 
major auction house (Heritage) - by its mis-representation of this title way 
back in 2003.  Heritage's actions were NOT intentional - and to be fair - I was 
frankly ignorant about what Helmut rightly says about the general rule - but 
NOT the law - that British one-sheets were predominantly targeted for 
international markets.  And for some hare-brained reason (at the time) - I 
thought the U.K. one-sheet format was common enough to be displayed 
sporadically domestically, though not favored compared to the more popular quad.

* On 20 November 2003, I bought a British RE-ISSUE one-sheet from 
Heritage to The Third Man for $1725 - that Heritage mis-represented as a 1949 
first U.K. issue.  The original 2003 description has not changed hence 
you can still see its mistake at the link below.  Note how there is no 
information about it being a reissue of any kind; Heritage simply declares it 
as original and labels its date to 1949:

http://comics.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=808lotNo=1119

Image 1 of 5 (Heritage, November 2003, $1725):



* I did NOT learn until one year later that Heritage misrepresented the 
poster I bought for $1725 as a 1949 original when it was in fact a 1950s 
re-issue.  Sure, I could have raised hell but did not, out of 
deference to my friendship with Grey - but just as important - I did not 
because of the intimidating legal wording in Heritage's terms and conditions 
about its responsibility for errors - which implied no returns accepted - or - 
at the very least, an unwritten statute of limitations to resolve disputes.

* One year later, in November 2004 - Heritage sold ANOTHER 
1950s re-issue - but this time, it correctly identified it as a re-issue, and 
it fetched for $1150.  This was the date of my discovery - that what I bought 
the year before - had been misrepresented by Heritage.  Frankly, Buyer Beware 
didn't enter my mind in 2003 with Heritage, even though it was new to the movie 
poster auction scene.


http://movieposters.ha.com/itm/film-noir/the-third-man-british-lion-film-1949-/a/607-19401.s


Image 

Re: [MOPO] My history of bad luck chasing an original Third Man (1949).

2015-06-24 Thread Philipp K
by the way I was one highest bidder below of the Third Man original release 
poster from Heritage in 2006


-Original Message-
From: David Kusumoto davidmkusum...@hotmail.com
To: MoPo-L MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Sent: Mon, Jun 22, 2015 4:07 pm
Subject: [MOPO] My history of bad luck chasing an original Third Man (1949).


 
   

 
  
   

* After reading mostly dealer posts for five straight days, here are my 
observations for consumers.  Unless indicated, the following are OPINIONS, not 
facts.  They shed no additional information other than to provide my own 
history - then vs. now - about this title.  (Again, it's too bad Bruce 
Hershenson quit MOPO - as his views would have been invaluable as NO ONE has 
handled more movie paper - nor owns a titanic collection of press books from 
around the world than he.) 

1.  My opinion is Bidll's The Third Man is an international one-sheet of 
some kind - that was never intended for display in the U.K.  Anything else is 
possible, but that's where I fall if I were interested in buying it.  
Parenthetically, among the many points and markers debated as to first issue or 
re-issue and international vs domestic, I find it intriguing that the seller - 
who strikes me as being very conscientious - resides in New Zealand yet has 
little provenance information about how and where this apparently rolled poster 
was acquired as well as other details such as texture, etc.  This may not be 
empirically relevant to this poster compared to printed markers, but in my 
view, its geographic location and how it feels is circumstantially relevant 
to the debate of national vs. international, original or re-issue.

2.  As some know, I used to collect only COUNTRY-OF-ORIGIN DOMESTIC ISSUE 
posters, a common practice among collectors of country-of-origin first edition 
books.  A country of origin The Third Man poster was once at the top of my 
list of wants.

3.  Today, if I stuck to my old narrow (minded) preferences, I'd only buy a 
first issue BQ of Third Man. While I love VINTAGE international one-sheets or 
daybills - for The Third Man, I won't.  To put it bluntly, I was burned by a 
major auction house (Heritage) - by its mis-representation of this title way 
back in 2003.  Heritage's actions were NOT intentional - and to be fair - I was 
frankly ignorant about what Helmut rightly says about the general rule - but 
NOT the law - that British one-sheets were predominantly targeted for 
international markets.  And for some hare-brained reason (at the time) - I 
thought the U.K. one-sheet format was common enough to be displayed 
sporadically domestically, though not favored compared to the more popular quad.

* On 20 November 2003, I bought a British RE-ISSUE one-sheet from 
Heritage to The Third Man for $1725 - that Heritage mis-represented as a 1949 
first U.K. issue.  The original 2003 description has not changed hence 
you can still see its mistake at the link below.  Note how there is no 
information about it being a reissue of any kind; Heritage simply declares it 
as original and labels its date to 1949:

http://comics.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=808lotNo=1119

Image 1 of 5 (Heritage, November 2003, $1725):



* I did NOT learn until one year later that Heritage misrepresented the 
poster I bought for $1725 as a 1949 original when it was in fact a 1950s 
re-issue.  Sure, I could have raised hell but did not, out of 
deference to my friendship with Grey - but just as important - I did not 
because of the intimidating legal wording in Heritage's terms and conditions 
about its responsibility for errors - which implied no returns accepted - or - 
at the very least, an unwritten statute of limitations to resolve disputes.

* One year later, in November 2004 - Heritage sold ANOTHER 
1950s re-issue - but this time, it correctly identified it as a re-issue, and 
it fetched for $1150.  This was the date of my discovery - that what I bought 
the year before - had been misrepresented by Heritage.  Frankly, Buyer Beware 
didn't enter my mind in 2003 with Heritage, even though it was new to the movie 
poster auction scene.


http://movieposters.ha.com/itm/film-noir/the-third-man-british-lion-film-1949-/a/607-19401.s


Image 2 of 5 (Heritage, November 2004, $1150):


* I grumbled but didn't want to cause a scene because I like Grey.  
I kept the re-issue poster I bought in November 2003 for four years.    
  

* By March 2006, Heritage apparently got it right.  I say 
apparently because in recent days, there have been legitimate questions in 
the debate about originals vs. re-issues in recent days on MoPo.  The 
example below was represented as a genuine U.K. 1949 original 

Re: [MOPO] [FA] ULTRA Rare English One Sheet - The Third Man (1949)

2015-06-24 Thread Jeff Potokar
I wrote to Bruce to ask his thoughts on this poster and discussion.  
He wrote me back and also said I could post his reply to MOPO:


Jeff



I personally think it is very likely that it is from 1955 or so.

Here is why:

IMDb only lists a handful of films from Lion International. But  
because we have auctioned a zillion English one-sheets, WE know that  
there are at least 92 from 1955 on. There is not ONE that is from  
before 1955 other than the disputed Third Man poster. 36 of the 92  
are from exactly 1955 to 1959. When you combine this with the stuff  
MoPo members found online, I think that is pretty definitive.


In addition, there is the issue of the poster being unfolded. Again,  
I have sold a zillion English one-sheets, and the ONLY other one that  
was unfolded was the African Queen re-release, which is surprisingly  
similar to the Third Man re-release, because it has a very similar  
image to the English original, except it is not as finely detailed,  
and it has been found unfolded, but it has no printer information on  
it (unlike the Third Man poster in question).


I think I would have an even more definite opinion if I saw this  
poster in person. I know that studios used the same type paper for a  
number of years, and when they changed, they changed for all their  
printing. That is how you can pinpoint a poster to a specific handful  
of years, or a decade. The English one-sheets I have handled have  
remarkably similar paper. If this poster had paper that was at all  
different, that would be even more reason to be sure it was not from  
the same year.


Put it all together, and I think you certainly have far more than a  
reasonable doubt, and I would certainly auction this poster as  
undated, likely a mid-1950s re-release, likely for the international  
distribution. There is also re-release one-sheet which is very  
similar to the African Queen one (no printing on the bottom), and I  
would think both that and the African Queen are from the late 1950s  
or early 1960s.


The reason the poster was entered incorrectly in our database was  
that we never auctioned it. It is one of the tens of thousands of  
posters that Richard Allen owned and photographed when amassing his  
archive. When those were put online, some mistakes crept in, and this  
is one of them. I have corrected it to match what I wrote above.


Finally, as David Kusumoto noted, we DID incorrectly auction a late  
1950s re-release as original in one of our Christie's auctions. It  
does NOT appear in our database at all. WHY? Because the buyer  
contacted us ten years later and complained that we made a mistake,  
and we fully refunded him, so it can't be in our database, because it  
was not original, and we do not want to mislead people into thinking  
a reissue sold for that price. We took a huge loss on that, but that  
is just part of our lifetime guarantee.


Feel free to post this on MoPo.

Thanks,
Bruce



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Re: [MOPO] My history of bad luck chasing an original Third Man (1949).

2015-06-24 Thread Jeff Potokar
So when there has been this kind of listing error, and something has  
sold because it was said to be an original release and later turns  
out to be a RR, has HA never done anything/reached out to winning  
bidders who were misinformed? (More so on big ticket items,  
especially, but also important when anything is not what it was  
presented to be).












On Jun 24, 2015, at 11:33 AM, Philipp K wrote:

DavidI was the person winning the Third Man from Heritage in  
November 2004...my good the times does go fastI paid the price  
thinking that I get a low price based on the original Third Man  
poster David was winning a year earlierNobody told me that  
Davids copy was a re-release postercertainly a bad day with  
Heritagereally bad considering everything...I would have never  
bid so high knowing that the poster is a re-release posterI  
believe that David and myself are on the same boatwe both love  
the film but got really mis-informed of the posterthis was a  
domino effectreally bad...bad badPhilipp



-Original Message-
From: David Kusumoto davidmkusum...@hotmail.com
To: MoPo-L MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Sent: Mon, Jun 22, 2015 4:07 pm
Subject: [MOPO] My history of bad luck chasing an original Third  
Man (1949).










* After reading mostly dealer posts for five straight days,  
here are my observations for consumers.  Unless indicated, the  
following are OPINIONS, not facts.  They shed no additional  
information other than to provide my own history - then vs. now -  
about this title.  (Again, it's too bad Bruce Hershenson quit MOPO  
- as his views would have been invaluable as NO ONE has handled  
more movie paper - nor owns a titanic collection of press books  
from around the world than he.)


1.  My opinion is Bidll's The Third Man is an international one- 
sheet of some kind - that was never intended for display in the  
U.K.  Anything else is possible, but that's where I fall if I were  
interested in buying it.  Parenthetically, among the many points  
and markers debated as to first issue or re-issue and international  
vs domestic, I find it intriguing that the seller - who strikes me  
as being very conscientious - resides in New Zealand yet has little  
provenance information about how and where this apparently rolled  
poster was acquired as well as other details such as texture, etc.   
This may not be empirically relevant to this poster compared to  
printed markers, but in my view, its geographic location and how  
it feels is circumstantially relevant to the debate of national  
vs. international, original or re-issue.


2.  As some know, I used to collect only COUNTRY-OF-ORIGIN DOMESTIC  
ISSUE posters, a common practice among collectors of country-of- 
origin first edition books.  A country of origin The Third Man  
poster was once at the top of my list of wants.


3.  Today, if I stuck to my old narrow (minded) preferences, I'd  
only buy a first issue BQ of Third Man. While I love VINTAGE  
international one-sheets or daybills - for The Third Man, I  
won't.  To put it bluntly, I was burned by a major auction house  
(Heritage) - by its mis-representation of this title way back in  
2003.  Heritage's actions were NOT intentional - and to be fair - I  
was frankly ignorant about what Helmut rightly says about the  
general rule - but NOT the law - that British one-sheets were  
predominantly targeted for international markets.  And for some  
hare-brained reason (at the time) - I thought the U.K. one-sheet  
format was common enough to be displayed sporadically  
domestically, though not favored compared to the more popular quad.


* On 20 November 2003, I bought a British RE-ISSUE one- 
sheet from Heritage to The Third Man for $1725 - that Heritage  
mis-represented as a 1949 first U.K. issue.  The original  
2003 description has not changed hence you can still see its  
mistake at the link below.  Note how there is no information about  
it being a reissue of any kind; Heritage simply declares it as  
original and labels its date to 1949:


http://comics.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=808lotNo=1119

Image 1 of 5 (Heritage, November 2003, $1725):



* I did NOT learn until one year later that Heritage  
misrepresented the poster I bought for $1725 as a 1949 original  
when it was in fact a 1950s re-issue.  Sure, I could have  
raised hell but did not, out of deference to my friendship  
with Grey - but just as important - I did not because of the  
intimidating legal wording in Heritage's terms and conditions about  
its responsibility for errors - which implied no returns accepted -  
or - at the very least, an unwritten statute of limitations to  
resolve disputes.


* One year later, in November 2004 - Heritage sold  
ANOTHER 1950s re-issue - but this time, it correctly identified it  
as a re-issue, and it fetched for $1150.  This was the