Re: [MOPO] Linen vs. regular lobby cards
Sorry I'm so late replying on this one, but I've been out of town on biz. As for the Adventures of Robin Hood lobbies, all originals were on linen finish paper in 1938. The flat cards were from the 1945 reissue. There were also completely different cards issued for the 1948 re-release as well. The 1945 reissues were identical to the 1938 except for two things 1) very obviously the difference in paper stocks and 2) the clause on the bottom right of the cards states,"Property of Warner Bros. Picutres Distrbuting Corporation." The originals from 1938, like all Warner cards from 1937 to 1944 states, "Property of Vitagraph Inc.," The only year Warners used the "Property of Warner Bros. Pictures Distributing Corporation was 1945. I've been able to identify some re-issue Casablanca cards like this as well as the film was issued in foreign countries after the war. I've seen many examples of the Casablanca lobbies discovered overseas having this clause in the lower right border. Hope that helps. Ron MooreCinema Icons --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Phil Edwards wrote: From: Phil Edwards Subject: Re: [MOPO] Linen vs. regular lobby cards To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 11:21 PM >>>>All markings on the card are identical to the Linen stock cards, with no dating in the copyright info That was my experience when I had the ERLICH cards side by side. >>>>I've seen re-release cards for ROBIN HOOD (Flynn) that were on flat stock that looked exactly like their earlier linen-counterparts but were definitely re-release from the early 40's. Steve, what was this information based on as being 100% accurate? Phil - Original Message - From: Garth Grieder To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] FW: [MOPO] New to MOPO & FS: Some Rare Items on eBay Steve, All markings on the card are identical to the Linen stock cards, with no dating in the copyright info Garth On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:10 PM, S.F. Poole wrote: Hi Franc- It is kind of confusing. I've seen re-release cards for ROBIN HOOD (Flynn) that were on flat stock that looked exactly like their earlier linen-counterparts but were definitely re-release from the early 40's. FOR GARTH: I'm curious if those ANGELS WITH DIRTY FACES have any dating of year in the copyright info. in the bottom border? Steve Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Linen vs. regular lobby cards
Hi Steve, These were definitely 11x14...I had the entire set from THE WEDDING MARCH (1928) and they were linen cards. Todd Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:24:23 -0600 From: stand...@ll.net Subject: Re: [MOPO] Linen vs. regular lobby cards To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Yes, Todd, I was about to jump in and offer Paramount as an example. However, weren't the lobby texture cards for Paramount's late 20's offerings only for the jumbo lobby cards and not the regular 11 x 14's. I have the best jumbo for UNDERWORLD (also '28) and it is linen-stock. Steve Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:53:13 -0500 From: toddfeier...@msn.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] Linen vs. regular lobby cards To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Hi Rick, Just for your info, there were other studios that used linen paper. One that comes to mind was Paramount. Lobby Cards from THE WEDDING MARCH (1928) used linen paper and they're really quite beautiful!! Best, Todd Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 06:10:05 -0500 From: rixpost...@aol.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] Linen vs. regular lobby cards To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Warner Brothers linen lobby paper stock (I believe used by Warners between 1937 and 1942--the last title I'm aware of being Yankee Doodle Dandy)--is very tricky because as soon as you think you have it all figured out--you're thrown a curve ball. Usually, as in the case of Angels With Dirty Faces, the original lobby cards, inserts and 1/2 sheets are on linen paper--(I have an original insert on that title, on linen paper)--the lobby cards released presumably the next year are on flat paper. That's the case with probably 95% of the Warner Brothers titles from that era. I've had beautiful lobby cards of Angels With Dirty Faces--a set of Robin Hood lobby cards--all on flat paper--and at the time they never commanded the attention dollar-wise that lobby cards on linen paper would. Probably half as much...or even less. The odd thing is that I believe there are a few Warner Brothers titles (not many) that break all of the linen paper rules completely---their original lobby cards were printed on FLAT paper and the lobby cards released a few months or a year later were subsequently printed on LINEN paper. A collector-friend of mine out of Northern California (who has one of the most incredible collections ever assembled, but prefers his anonymity and privacy) is as far as I'm concerned the foremost expert on Warner Brothers paper from that era. He's the one who provided me with whatever knowledge I might have (which has unfortunately never reached his level of expertise). But even as an "expert" in the area of Warner Brothers paper from that era, he'd be the first one to say that as soon as you think you have everything figured out, a certain Warner Brothers title will surface that breaks all of the rules completely. He knew (knows) more about vintage movie posters than anyone I've ever met (or will probably ever meet) but he never became arrogant or cockybecause he realized there are curve balls everywhere when it comes to movie posters of the 20's, 30's and 40's---especially when you're dealing with lobby cards + posters from Warner Brothers--- (the only studio that used "linen" paper in the first place). Rick Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com _
Re: [MOPO] Linen vs. regular lobby cards
Yes, Todd, I was about to jump in and offer Paramount as an example. However, weren't the lobby texture cards for Paramount's late 20's offerings only for the jumbo lobby cards and not the regular 11 x 14's. I have the best jumbo for UNDERWORLD (also '28) and it is linen-stock. Steve Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:53:13 -0500 From: toddfeier...@msn.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] Linen vs. regular lobby cards To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Hi Rick, Just for your info, there were other studios that used linen paper. One that comes to mind was Paramount. Lobby Cards from THE WEDDING MARCH (1928) used linen paper and they're really quite beautiful!! Best, Todd Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 06:10:05 -0500 From: rixpost...@aol.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] Linen vs. regular lobby cards To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Warner Brothers linen lobby paper stock (I believe used by Warners between 1937 and 1942--the last title I'm aware of being Yankee Doodle Dandy)--is very tricky because as soon as you think you have it all figured out--you're thrown a curve ball. Usually, as in the case of Angels With Dirty Faces, the original lobby cards, inserts and 1/2 sheets are on linen paper--(I have an original insert on that title, on linen paper)--the lobby cards released presumably the next year are on flat paper. That's the case with probably 95% of the Warner Brothers titles from that era. I've had beautiful lobby cards of Angels With Dirty Faces--a set of Robin Hood lobby cards--all on flat paper--and at the time they never commanded the attention dollar-wise that lobby cards on linen paper would. Probably half as much...or even less. The odd thing is that I believe there are a few Warner Brothers titles (not many) that break all of the linen paper rules completely---their original lobby cards were printed on FLAT paper and the lobby cards released a few months or a year later were subsequently printed on LINEN paper. A collector-friend of mine out of Northern California (who has one of the most incredible collections ever assembled, but prefers his anonymity and privacy) is as far as I'm concerned the foremost expert on Warner Brothers paper from that era. He's the one who provided me with whatever knowledge I might have (which has unfortunately never reached his level of expertise). But even as an "expert" in the area of Warner Brothers paper from that era, he'd be the first one to say that as soon as you think you have everything figured out, a certain Warner Brothers title will surface that breaks all of the rules completely. He knew (knows) more about vintage movie posters than anyone I've ever met (or will probably ever meet) but he never became arrogant or cockybecause he realized there are curve balls everywhere when it comes to movie posters of the 20's, 30's and 40's---especially when you're dealing with lobby cards + posters from Warner Brothers--- (the only studio that used "linen" paper in the first place). Rick Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
[MOPO] FW: [MOPO] Linen vs. regular lobby cards
From: rgv1...@live.com To: brucehershen...@gmail.com; mopo-l@listserv.american.edu Subject: RE: [MOPO] Linen vs. regular lobby cards Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:01:01 -0600 Thanks for all the input on the "linen/flat Warner paper controversy".It seems like what Bruce and Grey proport is the correct guide in collecting these titles from that period. We need more discussions like this on MoPo for all of us self-professed vintage poster geeks! Steve Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:14:02 -0600 From: brucehershen...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] Linen vs. regular lobby cards To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Grey has added helpful specific details to what I wrote above. The only "grey" area here (couldn't resist) is those titles that were release at the very start of the period, and at the very end of the period, that are on flat stock. There is the possibility they are re-releases, or just that they were printed just before Warners went to the linen, or right after they stopped (and as Grey correctly points out, it started out solely on the best pictures, and appears to have ended solely on the best pictures). But for titles from specifically 1938, 1939, and 1940, I don't think there is the slightest doubt that the flat cards are re-releases (until one of those legendary pressbooks with the side-by-side flat and linen cards surfaces). And when and if such a pressbook surfaces, don't forget to collect your $25 bonus from me! Bruce On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Smith, Grey - 1367 wrote: Warners did begin the use of the linen stock in 1936, as some of the “A” pictures were done on that stock as were many of the jumbo lobbies in that year. http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=59083&Lot_No=53015 http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=7008&Lot_No=85066 http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=7014&Lot_No=89376 http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=58115&Lot_No=55172 By 1937 they were using the linen stock more but for mostly what they considered “A” titles and it seemed to follow that when the cards were on the linen stock, the insert, midget card and half, were as well. Also the jumbo lobbies if produced. http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item..php?Sale_No=633&Lot_No=28067 http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=7014&Lot_No=90111 http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=7014&Lot_No=90080 In 1938, it seems almost all of the “A” pictures and a number of the “B”s were on linen stock and so on thru around 41-42 when they began to discontinued the use. http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item..php?Sale_No=633&Lot_No=28073 http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item..php?Sale_No=624&Lot_No=28894 http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item..php?Sale_No=667&Lot_No=28735 http://comics.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=808&Lot_No=1438 Though they did continue into 1943, briefly in the early part of the year. http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=58052&Lot_No=52125 I have never much heard the speculation that the linen stock cards were for bigger theaters and the flat for smaller. I have always been told that the flat stock cards are early reissues of the film, using the same printing plates. I do not believe the pressbooks bear the theory of theater size out either. My understanding has always been that the flat stock cards were released during the war when Warner Brothers output of films diminished significantly due to the war effort. As I understand there were great restraints put on the studios as to how much new material could be used, i.e.; lumber for sets, film stock, etc. The reason so very few inserts, half sheets and Jumbo lobbies from these films exist today, from some the great Warner Brothers titles is two-fold. The paper from that period is exceedingly rare due to the later war paper drives, but also most significantly, due to the fragile nature of the paper stock. The linen paper is infamous for tanning and becoming brittle if not stored in a stable environment. When folded, the inserts and halves almost always began to separate. From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of rixpost...@aol.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 5:10 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Linen vs. regular lobby cards Warner Brothers linen lobby paper stock (I believe used by Warners between 1937 and 1942--the last title I'm aware of being Yankee Doodle Dandy)--is very tricky because as soon as you think you have it all figured out--you're thrown a curve ball. Usually, as in the case of Angels With Dirty Faces, the original lobby cards, inserts and 1/2 sheets are on linen paper--(I have an original insert on that title, on linen paper)--the lobby cards released presumably
Re: [MOPO] Linen vs. regular lobby cards
Hi Rick, Just for your info, there were other studios that used linen paper. One that comes to mind was Paramount. Lobby Cards from THE WEDDING MARCH (1928) used linen paper and they're really quite beautiful!! Best, Todd Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 06:10:05 -0500 From: rixpost...@aol.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] Linen vs. regular lobby cards To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Warner Brothers linen lobby paper stock (I believe used by Warners between 1937 and 1942--the last title I'm aware of being Yankee Doodle Dandy)--is very tricky because as soon as you think you have it all figured out--you're thrown a curve ball. Usually, as in the case of Angels With Dirty Faces, the original lobby cards, inserts and 1/2 sheets are on linen paper--(I have an original insert on that title, on linen paper)--the lobby cards released presumably the next year are on flat paper. That's the case with probably 95% of the Warner Brothers titles from that era. I've had beautiful lobby cards of Angels With Dirty Faces--a set of Robin Hood lobby cards--all on flat paper--and at the time they never commanded the attention dollar-wise that lobby cards on linen paper would. Probably half as much...or even less. The odd thing is that I believe there are a few Warner Brothers titles (not many) that break all of the linen paper rules completely---their original lobby cards were printed on FLAT paper and the lobby cards released a few months or a year later were subsequently printed on LINEN paper. A collector-friend of mine out of Northern California (who has one of the most incredible collections ever assembled, but prefers his anonymity and privacy) is as far as I'm concerned the foremost expert on Warner Brothers paper from that era. He's the one who provided me with whatever knowledge I might have (which has unfortunately never reached his level of expertise). But even as an "expert" in the area of Warner Brothers paper from that era, he'd be the first one to say that as soon as you think you have everything figured out, a certain Warner Brothers title will surface that breaks all of the rules completely. He knew (knows) more about vintage movie posters than anyone I've ever met (or will probably ever meet) but he never became arrogant or cockybecause he realized there are curve balls everywhere when it comes to movie posters of the 20's, 30's and 40's---especially when you're dealing with lobby cards + posters from Warner Brothers--- (the only studio that used "linen" paper in the first place). Rick Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Linen vs. regular lobby cards
Does anyone know of a studio log/record of dates that titles were released, and subsequently re-released in American theaters? For example: Angels with dirty faces was released in 1938, and is known to be re-released nation-wide in 1948 and 1956. It seems that our answers would lie in a database like this. Kind of sounds like something one would find at LAMP Ps. If you do not have LAMP's 'Legality of Movie Posters' book, I suggest each of you buy this! I have read it front to back three times. My favorite book on early movie paper! Garth Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Linen vs. regular lobby cards
Grey has added helpful specific details to what I wrote above. The only "grey" area here (couldn't resist) is those titles that were release at the very start of the period, and at the very end of the period, that are on flat stock. There is the possibility they are re-releases, or just that they were printed just before Warners went to the linen, or right after they stopped (and as Grey correctly points out, it started out solely on the best pictures, and appears to have ended solely on the best pictures). But for titles from specifically 1938, 1939, and 1940, I don't think there is the slightest doubt that the flat cards are re-releases (until one of those legendary pressbooks with the side-by-side flat and linen cards surfaces). And when and if such a pressbook surfaces, don't forget to collect your $25 bonus from me! Bruce On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Smith, Grey - 1367 wrote: > Warners did begin the use of the linen stock in 1936, as some of the “A” > pictures were done on that stock as were many of the jumbo lobbies in that > year. > > http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=59083&Lot_No=53015 > > http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=7008&Lot_No=85066 > > http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=7014&Lot_No=89376 > > http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=58115&Lot_No=55172 > > > > > > By 1937 they were using the linen stock more but for mostly what they > considered “A” titles and it seemed to follow that when the cards were on > the linen stock, the insert, midget card and half, were as well. Also the > jumbo lobbies if produced. > > http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=633&Lot_No=28067 > > http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=7014&Lot_No=90111 > > http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=7014&Lot_No=90080 > > > > In 1938, it seems almost all of the “A” pictures and a number of the “B”s > were on linen stock and so on thru around 41-42 when they began to > discontinued the use. > > http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=633&Lot_No=28073 > > http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=624&Lot_No=28894 > > http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=667&Lot_No=28735 > > http://comics.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=808&Lot_No=1438 > > > > Though they did continue into 1943, briefly in the early part of the year. > > http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=58052&Lot_No=52125 > > > > I have never much heard the speculation that the linen stock cards were > for bigger theaters and the flat for smaller. I have always been told that > the flat stock cards are early reissues of the film, using the same printing > plates. I do not believe the pressbooks bear the theory of theater size out > either. > > My understanding has always been that the flat stock cards were released > during the war when Warner Brothers output of films diminished significantly > due to the war effort. As I understand there were great restraints put on > the studios as to how much new material could be used, i.e.; lumber for > sets, film stock, etc. > > > > The reason so very few inserts, half sheets and Jumbo lobbies from these > films exist today, from some the great Warner Brothers titles is two-fold. > The paper from that period is exceedingly rare due to the later war paper > drives, but also most significantly, due to the fragile nature of the paper > stock. The linen paper is infamous for tanning and becoming brittle if not > stored in a stable environment. When folded, the inserts and halves almost > always began to separate. > > > > > > *From:* MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] *On Behalf Of * > rixpost...@aol.com > *Sent:* Friday, December 11, 2009 5:10 AM > > *To:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU > *Subject:* Re: [MOPO] Linen vs. regular lobby cards > > > > > > > > Warner Brothers linen lobby paper stock (I believe used by Warners between > 1937 and 1942--the last title I'm aware of being Yankee Doodle Dandy)--is > very tricky because as soon as you think you have it all figured out--you're > thrown a curve ball. Usually, as in the case of Angels With Dirty Faces, > the original lobby cards, inserts and 1/2 sheets are on linen paper--(I have > an original insert on that title, on linen paper)--the lobby cards released > presumably the next year are on flat paper. That's the case with probably > 95% of the Warner Brothers titles from that era. I've had beautiful lobby > cards of Angels With Dirty Faces--a set of Robin Hood lobby cards--
Re: [MOPO] Linen vs. regular lobby cards
Warners did begin the use of the linen stock in 1936, as some of the "A" pictures were done on that stock as were many of the jumbo lobbies in that year. http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=59083&Lot_No=53015 http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=7008&Lot_No=85066 http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=7014&Lot_No=89376 http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=58115&Lot_No=55172 By 1937 they were using the linen stock more but for mostly what they considered "A" titles and it seemed to follow that when the cards were on the linen stock, the insert, midget card and half, were as well. Also the jumbo lobbies if produced. http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=633&Lot_No=28067 http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=7014&Lot_No=90111 http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=7014&Lot_No=90080 In 1938, it seems almost all of the "A" pictures and a number of the "B"s were on linen stock and so on thru around 41-42 when they began to discontinued the use. http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=633&Lot_No=28073 http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=624&Lot_No=28894 http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=667&Lot_No=28735 http://comics.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=808&Lot_No=1438 Though they did continue into 1943, briefly in the early part of the year. http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=58052&Lot_No=52125 I have never much heard the speculation that the linen stock cards were for bigger theaters and the flat for smaller. I have always been told that the flat stock cards are early reissues of the film, using the same printing plates. I do not believe the pressbooks bear the theory of theater size out either. My understanding has always been that the flat stock cards were released during the war when Warner Brothers output of films diminished significantly due to the war effort. As I understand there were great restraints put on the studios as to how much new material could be used, i.e.; lumber for sets, film stock, etc. The reason so very few inserts, half sheets and Jumbo lobbies from these films exist today, from some the great Warner Brothers titles is two-fold. The paper from that period is exceedingly rare due to the later war paper drives, but also most significantly, due to the fragile nature of the paper stock. The linen paper is infamous for tanning and becoming brittle if not stored in a stable environment. When folded, the inserts and halves almost always began to separate. From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of rixpost...@aol.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 5:10 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Linen vs. regular lobby cards Warner Brothers linen lobby paper stock (I believe used by Warners between 1937 and 1942--the last title I'm aware of being Yankee Doodle Dandy)--is very tricky because as soon as you think you have it all figured out--you're thrown a curve ball. Usually, as in the case of Angels With Dirty Faces, the original lobby cards, inserts and 1/2 sheets are on linen paper--(I have an original insert on that title, on linen paper)--the lobby cards released presumably the next year are on flat paper. That's the case with probably 95% of the Warner Brothers titles from that era. I've had beautiful lobby cards of Angels With Dirty Faces--a set of Robin Hood lobby cards--all on flat paper--and at the time they never commanded the attention dollar-wise that lobby cards on linen paper would. Probably half as much...or even less. The odd thing is that I believe there are a few Warner Brothers titles (not many) that break all of the linen paper rules completely---their original lobby cards were printed on FLAT paper and the lobby cards released a few months or a year later were subsequently printed on LINEN paper. A collector-friend of mine out of Northern California (who has one of the most incredible collections ever assembled, but prefers his anonymity and privacy) is as far as I'm concerned the foremost expert on Warner Brothers paper from that era. He's the one who provided me with whatever knowledge I might have (which has unfortunately never reached his level of expertise). But even as an "expert" in the area of Warner Brothers paper from that era, he'd be the first one to say that as soon as you think you have everything figured out, a certain Warner Brothers title will surface that breaks all of the rules completely. He knew (knows) more about vintage movie posters than anyone I've ever met (or will probably ever meet) but he never became arrogant or cockybecause he realized there are curve balls everywhere when it comes to movie post
Re: [MOPO] Linen vs. regular lobby cards
This is almost 100% correct, but not quite. The correction is that the seeming "exceptions" are not exceptions at all (where the originals are non-linen, and the re-releases are linen). These solely occur in the rare cases where a pre-1937 title was re-released during the 1937 to early 1942 period. The one case I can think of right off is Bordertown, but there are likely some others. The reason there are few of these is because 1937 to early 1942 was the glory days of Warners, and they had little need of re-releasing anything during this time. In early 1942, most of their top stars started enlisting, and that caused their huge wave of re-releases in 1942 and 1943, and that is also likely why they abandoned the expensive linen paper in favor of the flat stock. Bruce On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 5:10 AM, wrote: > > > Warner Brothers linen lobby paper stock (I believe used by Warners between > 1937 and 1942--the last title I'm aware of being Yankee Doodle Dandy)--is > very tricky because as soon as you think you have it all figured out--you're > thrown a curve ball. Usually, as in the case of Angels With Dirty Faces, > the original lobby cards, inserts and 1/2 sheets are on linen paper--(I have > an original insert on that title, on linen paper)--the lobby cards released > presumably the next year are on flat paper. That's the case with probably > 95% of the Warner Brothers titles from that era. I've had beautiful lobby > cards of Angels With Dirty Faces--a set of Robin Hood lobby cards--all on > flat paper--and at the time they never commanded the attention dollar-wise > that lobby cards on linen paper would. Probably half as much...or even > less. > The odd thing is that I believe there are a few Warner Brothers titles > (not many) that break all of the linen paper rules completely---their > original lobby cards were printed on FLAT paper and the lobby cards released > a few months or a year later were subsequently printed on LINEN paper. A > collector-friend of mine out of Northern California (who has one of the most > incredible collections ever assembled, but prefers his anonymity and > privacy) is as far as I'm concerned the foremost expert on Warner Brothers > paper from that era. He's the one who provided me with whatever knowledge I > might have (which has unfortunately never reached his level of expertise). > But even as an "expert" in the area of Warner Brothers paper from that era, > he'd be the first one to say that as soon as you think you have everything > figured out, a certain Warner Brothers title will surface that breaks all of > the rules completely. He knew (knows) more about vintage movie posters than > anyone I've ever met (or will probably ever meet) but he never became > arrogant or cockybecause he realized there are curve balls everywhere > when it comes to movie posters of the 20's, 30's and 40's---especially when > you're dealing with lobby cards + posters from Warner Brothers--- (the only > studio that used "linen" paper in the first place). >Rick > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > ___ How to > UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: > lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF > MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Linen vs. regular lobby cards
Warner Brothers linen lobby paper stock (I believe used by Warners between 1937 and 1942--the last title I'm aware of being Yankee Doodle Dandy)--is very tricky because as soon as you think you have it all figured out--you're thrown a curve ball. Usually, as in the case of Angels With Dirty Faces, the original lobby cards, inserts and 1/2 sheets are on linen paper--(I have an original insert on that title, on linen paper)--the lobby cards released presumably the next year are on flat paper. That's the case with probably 95% of the Warner Brothers titles from that era. I've had beautiful lobby cards of Angels With Dirty Faces--a set of Robin Hood lobby cards--all on flat paper--and at the time they never commanded the attention dollar-wise that lobby cards on linen paper would. Probably half as much...or even less. The odd thing is that I believe there are a few Warner Brothers titles (not many) that break all of the linen paper rules completely---their original lobby cards were printed on FLAT paper and the lobby cards released a few months or a year later were subsequently printed on LINEN paper. A collector-friend of mine out of Northern California (who has one of the most incredible collections ever assembled, but prefers his anonymity and privacy) is as far as I'm concerned the foremost expert on Warner Brothers paper from that era. He's the one who provided me with whatever knowledge I might have (which has unfortunately never reached his level of expertise). But even as an "expert" in the area of Warner Brothers paper from that era, he'd be the first one to say that as soon as you think you have everything figured out, a certain Warner Brothers title will surface that breaks all of the rules completely. He knew (knows) more about vintage movie posters than anyone I've ever met (or will probably ever meet) but he never became arrogant or cockybecause he realized there are curve balls everywhere when it comes to movie posters of the 20's, 30's and 40's---especially when you're dealing with lobby cards + posters from Warner Brothers--- (the only studio that used "linen" paper in the first place). Rick Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Linen vs. regular lobby cards
All markings on the card are identical to the Linen stock cards, with no dating in the copyright info That was my experience when I had the ERLICH cards side by side. I've seen re-release cards for ROBIN HOOD (Flynn) that were on flat stock that looked exactly like their earlier linen-counterparts but were definitely re-release from the early 40's. Steve, what was this information based on as being 100% accurate? Phil - Original Message - From: Garth Grieder To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] FW: [MOPO] New to MOPO & FS: Some Rare Items on eBay Steve, All markings on the card are identical to the Linen stock cards, with no dating in the copyright info Garth On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:10 PM, S.F. Poole wrote: Hi Franc- It is kind of confusing.I've seen re-release cards for ROBIN HOOD (Flynn) that were on flat stock that looked exactly like their earlier linen-counterparts but were definitely re-release from the early 40's. FOR GARTH: I'm curious if those ANGELS WITH DIRTY FACES have any dating of year in the copyright info. in the bottom border? Steve Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
