[MOPO] The Posterfix/Andrea saga
Kirby - I can't see where you did anything wrong or any need make any kind of an apology. Unless the full texts of these emails - from both sides - is posted (here and not extracts on NSF as I have seen), and transcripts of the phone calls, then there is now so much hearsay, that whatever or not this guy did or said, and whatever Andrea did or said has gone way beyond the pale of this dicussion group and ethics of any kind, I'm appalled and it takes something serious for that. Scott, this whole thing needs deleting in my opinion, and needs to be sorted out bewteen the parties involved. If the abusive emails are what has been stated and without provocation, then surely it's time to call law enforcement in. Gee, and I thought NSF could get spikey and vicious. Phil - Original Message - From: McDaniel Kirby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Freedom Lover [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Halegua Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Patrick Tupy Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Phil Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 4:00 PM Subject: CLOUTIER debacle Andrea, I called him ONCE this morning and told him there was a discusssion about him on MOPO and that it wasn't very favorable to him, and that it was in his interest to know this. This was the first time I have spoken to him in more than a few years. He said he did not know what MOPO was and so I told him that MOPO was a discussion group and that he was being discussed and not in a good light and that he might want to address this. I probably should have minded my own business. I certainly did not understand all this. Sending abusive and threatening e-mail and name calling is utterly reprehensible and I strongly condemn this behavior toward you or anyone. All good wishes, Kirby On Oct 28, 2008, at 8:45 PM, Freedom Lover wrote: Thank-you. Well, I shared those emails with Claude, too. That's it. There's more that arrived later. Wow! He called 3 more times tonight. And replied to different emails from days before, that had been previously answered. I'm thinking of buying a pit bull! So let me see if I'm getting this right: This morning he emailed saying he was sending my poster back, undone (again). This is good. Later he starts harassing the he** out of me with his vulgarity and incessant phone calls and leaves a message that he's keeping my poster (suddenly backed) and I assumed that included my money. This is an about face. Kirby, is it from you calling him? I lost more than Richie, folks. Hey, if I'm going to lose my poster, I may as well have some good come out of it. I'm glad to be of service to you and I thank those of you who've stood up for me and those who spoke about their own experiences with Chris. Andrea On Oct 28, 2008, at 9:12 PM, Richard Halegua Comic Art wrote: well that's equally onerous to the language that he used in the letter to Andrea that she shared with me as well as sue the one where he calls her a C I think he should start there. I mean, I don't think I've used that word in front of a woman since I was a sophomore in hi-school and I most certainly have never used it AT a woman in my entire life. Behavior of that nature is much more telling than anything Chris could say here.. but like I said.. I had my single experience with Posterfix in 2004, and based on that single experience I determined they were not worthy of any further business . It was a $50 lesson for me and $50 worth of bad advertising for Posterfix Rich== At 05:42 PM 10/28/2008, Freedom Lover wrote: Well then, I'd like Chris to explain to MoPo how he decided he gets to keep my poster AND my money because I told MoPo about all this. He left me a voice message. Actually, he called my house 30 times today. Start there, Counselor. Andrea On Oct 28, 2008, at 12:21 PM, McDaniel Kirby wrote: Wait a minute. Kangaroo Court in now in session. All rise! I have telephoned Chris Cloutier and alerted him to the brou-ha-ha on MOPO. I suggested he get in touch with mopo to address the concerns. He said he would. We don't have a dog in this hunt. We use different restorers. Understand that this is not a comment on Chris or his work, it's just a fact. Kirby McDaniel Kirby McDaniel MovieArt Original Film Posters P.O. Box 4419 Austin TX 78765-4419 512 479 6680 www.movieart.net mobile 512 589 5112 Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Let us resolve and work toward achieving some very simple propositions: There are no
Re: [MOPO] The Posterfix/Andrea saga
Dear Phil: I completely agree with you. I should probably keep my mouth shut here, but it seems nobody else is, so here goes. I find it pretty amazing that all this discussion (if that's the word) has been been going on under the premise -- I believe somebody actually assured the rest of us it was the case -- that Chris was always free to speak up and defend himself, and here the guy doesn't even know what MOPO is. I believe it's called the Obama strategy--where you buy up all the airtime so that only one view can be represented (don't get me wrong, I'm an Obama supporter). Frankly, I find that self-righteousness is the ugliest form of human behavior. No prettier is trying to drive someone's business into the ground by taking advantage of the closed nature of the community and the communications channels by which it sustains itself. It feels like I have been witnessing a lynching; or maybe it's just a bad Fifties sci-fi movie. I have a lot of respect for MOPO and all the people on it, but I don't think it's only Chris that this entire exchange casts a pretty dismal light on. I guess I'll just keep my mouth shut from here on in. Wouldn't want to get in trouble with law enforcement! Greg Pflugfelder Quoting Phil Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Kirby - I can't see where you did anything wrong or any need make any kind of an apology. Unless the full texts of these emails - from both sides - is posted (here and not extracts on NSF as I have seen), and transcripts of the phone calls, then there is now so much hearsay, that whatever or not this guy did or said, and whatever Andrea did or said has gone way beyond the pale of this dicussion group and ethics of any kind, I'm appalled and it takes something serious for that. Scott, this whole thing needs deleting in my opinion, and needs to be sorted out bewteen the parties involved. If the abusive emails are what has been stated and without provocation, then surely it's time to call law enforcement in. Gee, and I thought NSF could get spikey and vicious. Phil - Original Message - From: McDaniel Kirby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Freedom Lover [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Halegua Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Patrick Tupy Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Phil Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 4:00 PM Subject: CLOUTIER debacle Andrea, I called him ONCE this morning and told him there was a discusssion about him on MOPO and that it wasn't very favorable to him, and that it was in his interest to know this. This was the first time I have spoken to him in more than a few years. He said he did not know what MOPO was and so I told him that MOPO was a discussion group and that he was being discussed and not in a good light and that he might want to address this. I probably should have minded my own business. I certainly did not understand all this. Sending abusive and threatening e-mail and name calling is utterly reprehensible and I strongly condemn this behavior toward you or anyone. All good wishes, Kirby On Oct 28, 2008, at 8:45 PM, Freedom Lover wrote: Thank-you. Well, I shared those emails with Claude, too. That's it. There's more that arrived later. Wow! He called 3 more times tonight. And replied to different emails from days before, that had been previously answered. I'm thinking of buying a pit bull! So let me see if I'm getting this right: This morning he emailed saying he was sending my poster back, undone (again). This is good. Later he starts harassing the he** out of me with his vulgarity and incessant phone calls and leaves a message that he's keeping my poster (suddenly backed) and I assumed that included my money. This is an about face. Kirby, is it from you calling him? I lost more than Richie, folks. Hey, if I'm going to lose my poster, I may as well have some good come out of it. I'm glad to be of service to you and I thank those of you who've stood up for me and those who spoke about their own experiences with Chris. Andrea On Oct 28, 2008, at 9:12 PM, Richard Halegua Comic Art wrote: well that's equally onerous to the language that he used in the letter to Andrea that she shared with me as well as sue the one where he calls her a C I think he should start there. I mean, I don't think I've used that word in front of a woman since I was a sophomore in hi-school and I most certainly have never used it AT a woman in my entire life. Behavior of that nature is much more telling than anything Chris could say here.. but like I said.. I had my single experience with Posterfix in 2004, and based on that single experience I determined they were not worthy of any further business . It was a $50 lesson for me and $50 worth of bad advertising for Posterfix Rich== At 05:42 PM 10/28/2008, Freedom Lover wrote: Well then, I'd like Chris to explain to MoPo how he decided he gets to keep my poster AND my money because I told MoPo about all this. He left
