Re: [MOPO] WSJ: AOL, Verizon blocking legitimate mail
Title: AOL Email David, You wrote: "I have been using AOL since 1991 and I don't have a problem. If you disable ALL their email spam filters then everything DOES get through." ...Logical, but unfortunately not correct. AOL is actually bouncing incoming messages from entire servers at the gateway level *without* sending those messages on to members accounts, which is where your Spam Filters kick in. I know this for a fact. Their incoming servers have been bouncing messages I send AOL members using my standard [EMAIL PROTECTED] address for about 4 months now. They never even attempt to deliver these messages... they just bounce them back, saying that they are "not accepting mail" from my server -- but don't say why (even though there is nothing wrong with my server and every other service on the planet accepts mail from it). There are several AOL members (like Michael) who have me cleared with their Spam filters and used to get my messages with no problems, but no longer do -- they can't even tell I've tried to send them something. I've been a professional computer network consultant for 20 years and know what I'm talking about here. The reason why I now specifically label AOL as "do not use for business purposes" is because as far as I can tell no other ISP blocks messages wholesale based on the originating server at the incoming gateway level like this. In the case of AOL, there is nothing an individual member can do to prevent the incoming AOL servers from bouncing mail like this. It just happens and the individual members don't even know it's been done. But, having said all this several times before, I personally am weary of trying to convince AOL users that there is a serious problem and simply won't bother to waste my time or theirs anymore. I just wanted give one last warning to those who care to listen that it is NOT a wise thing to do to trust your business correspondence to an AOL address. -- JR Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] WSJ: AOL, Verizon blocking legitimate mail
Just my 2 cents... Never had any issues with AOL myself, but my understanding is that AOL emails get blocked and bounced. As a Yahoo user I can tell you ALL MSN emails get deleted, Channing's emails get deleted (neither AOL or MSN), and even a Yahoo Group I belong to get deleted (it originates from an AOL account)! But that's it, I still get them, I just have to read them before I trash them. >From what I know about the endless dscussions on MOPO about it, this is NOT the case with AOL filters, where people simply do not get the emails. There endeth the comparison. If AOL users are too stupid to figure out how to get ALL their emails, well, that's another discussion. Natalie --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > This type of response is just comical to me, > considering the article clearly > states that the blocked e-mail problem applies not > only to AOL but also to > many other ISP's, including Yahoo and Verizon. Why > are you recommending > switching to Yahoo when the very same article you > are using to condemn AOL mentions > Yahoo's identical shortcomings? > > Laura > > > In a message dated 5/3/2006 3:49:59 P.M. Central > Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Bottom Line: > > NO ONE should use an AOL email address for business > purposes. Not > ever. If they want to keep AOL, they should get a > free email address > from Yahoo or HotMail and use that for their > business correspondence > (and critical things like their MOPO mail). > > -- JR Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] WSJ: AOL, Verizon blocking legitimate mail
This type of response is just comical to me, considering the article clearly states that the blocked e-mail problem applies not only to AOL but also to many other ISP's, including Yahoo and Verizon. Why are you recommending switching to Yahoo when the very same article you are using to condemn AOL mentions Yahoo's identical shortcomings? Laura In a message dated 5/3/2006 3:49:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bottom Line:NO ONE should use an AOL email address for business purposes. Notever. If they want to keep AOL, they should get a free email addressfrom Yahoo or HotMail and use that for their business correspondence(and critical things like their MOPO mail).-- JR- Original Message -From: "David Kusumoto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 10:49Subject: [MOPO] WSJ: AOL, Verizon blocking legitimate mail> It doesn't get anymore official than this to demonstrate how e-mailsto> users of AOL, Verizon or Yahoo are occasionally going into a blackhole . .> . In this morning's WSJ:>> -koose.>> = = = = = = = = = =>> WALL STREET JOURNAL> May 3, 2006; Page D1> SPAM FILTERS GONE WILD> Spate of Incidents at Verizon, AOL Point to Growing Problem> Of Blocking Legitimate Email> By JESSICA E. VASCELLARO>> Internet companies are taking more aggressive steps to stop the flowof> unwanted email. In a significant number of cases, though, consumerscomplain> that the efforts increasingly are blocking the good along with thebad.>> ** Possibly millions of AOL members were temporarily unable toreceive some> mail from Google Inc.'s Gmail users last week after AOL held upmessages> from some new Gmail servers over concerns it might be spam.>> ** An AOL software update recently resulted in a stoppage of mailthat> mentioned at least 60 Internet addresses. An update of VerizonCommunication> Inc.'s spam filters recently sparked widespread complaints fromconsumers> who were unable to receive and send messages.>> The companies blamed the problems on software glitches orcommunication> failures and often fixed them within hours. Tight precautions arenecessary,> the companies say, since spam can threaten online security andsafety -- a> more serious problem than the nuisance of a few missed messages.>> ** But others say the incidents are a troubling sign that newantispam> measures may be going too far, contributing to everything from lost> real-estate deals and blocked banking transactions to bruisedrelationships> caused by unreturned emails that never got through to friends in thefirst> place.>> Recently, Mark Fleischer, a 24-year-old commercial real-estatebroker in> Tampa, Fla., was waiting for his client's final approval to go aheadand bid> on a $175,000 condo after emailing him a list of the prices forcomparable> properties.>> But Yahoo Inc. blocked his client's response telling him to go aheadwith> the deal, and Mr. Fleischer lost the sale. Yahoo says in such casesit aims> to help the sender fix the problem by sending him a rejectionmessage with> informational links.>> As much as 20% of legitimate bulk commercial email -- which includesmail> users sign up to receive as well as online statements andreceipts -- gets> caught in spam filters, according to Ferris Research, a SanFrancisco-based> market researcher.>> The best filters, however, make such mistakes for email between> acquaintances only about once a month, according to Ferris.>> Most state-of-the art filters now employ filtering techniques thattypically> involve examining the language in the email (does it includecombinations of> words often found in spam but not legitimate email?), the mailserver> sending the email (it is a computer that appears to be affected by avirus?)> and past messages from the sender (has it sent spam before?).>> They also are asking their customers to help.>> ** AOL, a unit of Time Warner Inc., stores messages its users reportas spam> in a database it analyzes for patterns.>> Yahoo continually adjusts its technology based on its members' useof a> "This is spam/Not spam" buttons.>> The steps are generating victories in the war on spam. The numberof spam> messages the average consumer receives annually fell 17% to 3,253 in2005> from 2003, according to Jupiter Research, and is expected to plummetto> 1,640 by 2010.>> ** AOL says its members report that the amount of spam in theirin-boxes has> fallen by more than 75% since the fall of 2003.>> But some consumers are complaining about the unint
Re: [MOPO] WSJ: AOL, Verizon blocking legitimate mail
Hi Dave, I'll second that. Lenny Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] WSJ: AOL, Verizon blocking legitimate mail
Title: AOL Email I have been using AOL since 1991 and I don't have a problem. If you disable ALL their email spam filters then everything DOES get through. David LiebermanCineMasterpieces.com602 309 0500 Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] WSJ: AOL, Verizon blocking legitimate mail
Bottom Line: NO ONE should use an AOL email address for business purposes. Not ever. If they want to keep AOL, they should get a free email address from Yahoo or HotMail and use that for their business correspondence (and critical things like their MOPO mail). -- JR - Original Message - From: "David Kusumoto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 10:49 Subject: [MOPO] WSJ: AOL, Verizon blocking legitimate mail > It doesn't get anymore official than this to demonstrate how e-mails to > users of AOL, Verizon or Yahoo are occasionally going into a black hole . . > . In this morning's WSJ: > > -koose. > > = = = = = = = = = = > > WALL STREET JOURNAL > May 3, 2006; Page D1 > SPAM FILTERS GONE WILD > Spate of Incidents at Verizon, AOL Point to Growing Problem > Of Blocking Legitimate Email > By JESSICA E. VASCELLARO > > Internet companies are taking more aggressive steps to stop the flow of > unwanted email. In a significant number of cases, though, consumers complain > that the efforts increasingly are blocking the good along with the bad. > > ** Possibly millions of AOL members were temporarily unable to receive some > mail from Google Inc.'s Gmail users last week after AOL held up messages > from some new Gmail servers over concerns it might be spam. > > ** An AOL software update recently resulted in a stoppage of mail that > mentioned at least 60 Internet addresses. An update of Verizon Communication > Inc.'s spam filters recently sparked widespread complaints from consumers > who were unable to receive and send messages. > > The companies blamed the problems on software glitches or communication > failures and often fixed them within hours. Tight precautions are necessary, > the companies say, since spam can threaten online security and safety -- a > more serious problem than the nuisance of a few missed messages. > > ** But others say the incidents are a troubling sign that new antispam > measures may be going too far, contributing to everything from lost > real-estate deals and blocked banking transactions to bruised relationships > caused by unreturned emails that never got through to friends in the first > place. > > Recently, Mark Fleischer, a 24-year-old commercial real-estate broker in > Tampa, Fla., was waiting for his client's final approval to go ahead and bid > on a $175,000 condo after emailing him a list of the prices for comparable > properties. > > But Yahoo Inc. blocked his client's response telling him to go ahead with > the deal, and Mr. Fleischer lost the sale. Yahoo says in such cases it aims > to help the sender fix the problem by sending him a rejection message with > informational links. > > As much as 20% of legitimate bulk commercial email -- which includes mail > users sign up to receive as well as online statements and receipts -- gets > caught in spam filters, according to Ferris Research, a San Francisco-based > market researcher. > > The best filters, however, make such mistakes for email between > acquaintances only about once a month, according to Ferris. > > Most state-of-the art filters now employ filtering techniques that typically > involve examining the language in the email (does it include combinations of > words often found in spam but not legitimate email?), the mail server > sending the email (it is a computer that appears to be affected by a virus?) > and past messages from the sender (has it sent spam before?). > > They also are asking their customers to help. > > ** AOL, a unit of Time Warner Inc., stores messages its users report as spam > in a database it analyzes for patterns. > > Yahoo continually adjusts its technology based on its members' use of a > "This is spam/Not spam" buttons. > > The steps are generating victories in the war on spam. The number of spam > messages the average consumer receives annually fell 17% to 3,253 in 2005 > from 2003, according to Jupiter Research, and is expected to plummet to > 1,640 by 2010. > > ** AOL says its members report that the amount of spam in their in-boxes has > fallen by more than 75% since the fall of 2003. > > But some consumers are complaining about the unintended consequences. > > The latest Verizon hitch left Lauren Weinstein, a computer consultant from > Woodland Hills, Calif., unable to help a friend fix his computer over email > when the message, along with messages to roughly four more friends and > colleagues whose Verizon accounts he subsequently tested, got blocked. > > "I started seeing rejection messages coming back immediately from Verizon," > he says. Mr. Weinstein requested an investigation online. Verizon says it > acted to fi
[MOPO] WSJ: AOL, Verizon blocking legitimate mail
It doesn't get anymore official than this to demonstrate how e-mails to users of AOL, Verizon or Yahoo are occasionally going into a black hole . . . In this morning's WSJ: -koose. = = = = = = = = = = WALL STREET JOURNAL May 3, 2006; Page D1 SPAM FILTERS GONE WILD Spate of Incidents at Verizon, AOL Point to Growing Problem Of Blocking Legitimate Email By JESSICA E. VASCELLARO Internet companies are taking more aggressive steps to stop the flow of unwanted email. In a significant number of cases, though, consumers complain that the efforts increasingly are blocking the good along with the bad. ** Possibly millions of AOL members were temporarily unable to receive some mail from Google Inc.'s Gmail users last week after AOL held up messages from some new Gmail servers over concerns it might be spam. ** An AOL software update recently resulted in a stoppage of mail that mentioned at least 60 Internet addresses. An update of Verizon Communication Inc.'s spam filters recently sparked widespread complaints from consumers who were unable to receive and send messages. The companies blamed the problems on software glitches or communication failures and often fixed them within hours. Tight precautions are necessary, the companies say, since spam can threaten online security and safety -- a more serious problem than the nuisance of a few missed messages. ** But others say the incidents are a troubling sign that new antispam measures may be going too far, contributing to everything from lost real-estate deals and blocked banking transactions to bruised relationships caused by unreturned emails that never got through to friends in the first place. Recently, Mark Fleischer, a 24-year-old commercial real-estate broker in Tampa, Fla., was waiting for his client's final approval to go ahead and bid on a $175,000 condo after emailing him a list of the prices for comparable properties. But Yahoo Inc. blocked his client's response telling him to go ahead with the deal, and Mr. Fleischer lost the sale. Yahoo says in such cases it aims to help the sender fix the problem by sending him a rejection message with informational links. As much as 20% of legitimate bulk commercial email -- which includes mail users sign up to receive as well as online statements and receipts -- gets caught in spam filters, according to Ferris Research, a San Francisco-based market researcher. The best filters, however, make such mistakes for email between acquaintances only about once a month, according to Ferris. Most state-of-the art filters now employ filtering techniques that typically involve examining the language in the email (does it include combinations of words often found in spam but not legitimate email?), the mail server sending the email (it is a computer that appears to be affected by a virus?) and past messages from the sender (has it sent spam before?). They also are asking their customers to help. ** AOL, a unit of Time Warner Inc., stores messages its users report as spam in a database it analyzes for patterns. Yahoo continually adjusts its technology based on its members' use of a "This is spam/Not spam" buttons. The steps are generating victories in the war on spam. The number of spam messages the average consumer receives annually fell 17% to 3,253 in 2005 from 2003, according to Jupiter Research, and is expected to plummet to 1,640 by 2010. ** AOL says its members report that the amount of spam in their in-boxes has fallen by more than 75% since the fall of 2003. But some consumers are complaining about the unintended consequences. The latest Verizon hitch left Lauren Weinstein, a computer consultant from Woodland Hills, Calif., unable to help a friend fix his computer over email when the message, along with messages to roughly four more friends and colleagues whose Verizon accounts he subsequently tested, got blocked. "I started seeing rejection messages coming back immediately from Verizon," he says. Mr. Weinstein requested an investigation online. Verizon says it acted to fix the glitch and had email flowing normally within 48 hours. Samantha McManus, business-strategy manager for the technology-care-and-safety group at Microsoft Corp., says the risk of regular email getting rejected has risen as spam filtering has improved beyond catching only obvious junk mail. "We constantly have to make a decision about how aggressive we want to be," she says. The dilemma has prompted some companies to push spam-fighting techniques designed to more accurately distinguished between wanted and unwanted email. Over the past couple of years, Microsoft has been trying to prevent spam to its Hotmail users through a program called Sender ID that allows Microsoft to verify that an email is coming from the domain it claims it is from. Companies become known as "Sender ID compliant" by publishing a list of IP addresses authorized to send mail under th
