Re: [MOPO] Ebay verses other auctions like Herritage, etc...
As far as Heritage is concerned, we have never shown an item to have sold on our site, which did not sell in the auction to a real bidder. The items that do not sell go into our "Post-Auction Buys" in which any buyer can purchase the item for the reserve plus the buyer's premium. That is no secret. Whenever an item has been returned from an auction it is always shown as "not sold" in the Heritage archives. These are easily seen. If you go into the archive and type in a title in the search field and a page with those items under that title which have sold, comes up, there is a listing at the top of that page which says "Results Include." Below that will be these links; * Appraise Collectibles and All Art * Archive Status * Search Text If you will click on the "remove" link next to the spot that says " Archive Status : Sold (remove), this will pull up all of the items that did not sell under that title. So if one is curious whether any items have sold or not, that is the way to determine whether it did or did not. We do not report items sold that did not sell. Why would we when we would like to offer them again to another buyer? If an item is purchased in auction and is returned it goes into the "unsold" category in the archive as soon as returned and if done within the time of two weeks after the Signature auction, will go back into the "Post-Auction Buys" as previously mentioned and made available to another buyer. Yes, the figure of 50,000 bidders in posters is a matter of faith as are any dealers figures as to how many bidders participate in their auctions, naturally! From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce Hershenson Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 10:31 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Ebay verses other auctions like Herritage, etc... Here's the problem I have with that logic. Where did the "of which some 50,000 have bid on posters over the last 10 years" statistic come from? Where do any of the high reported prices come from? On both of these, we have to take these stats as a matter of faith, for we never see who these "50,000 bidders" are, and in fact we never see who ANY of these bidders are, since they all have hidden IDs. On the other hand, we DO see as a proven fact that many, many of the items that are REPORTED to have "sold" for high amounts quickly return to the auction block and often "sell" for LESS the next time, and sometimes they quickly come back for a third round. So each person needs to weigh all the above together and draw their own conclusions. Bruce On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Richard Halegua Comic Art mailto:sa...@comic-art.com>> wrote: I have almost 1500 members at MoviePosterBid Bruce has about 5000 members Heritage has over 2 million people throughout the entire list of bidders, of which some 50,000 have bid on posters over the last 10 years I think that speaks for itself then add in that their bidders are some of the wealthiest people in the world and who do not buy anywhere else... well, that's your answer At 01:07 PM 3/8/2009, Mike Laskowsky wrote: Just curious of your views on Ebay auctions verses big auction houses like Herritage and many others. It just surprises me that I see such great vintage movie posters and lobbies on Ebay by well known sellers with highly collected titles in great condition and priced fairly, yet no buyers. Yet Herritage always seems to pull in winning bidders who bid more than you can buy it Ebay and plus a 20% buyers premium. I have also won items from Herritage, but most times find their grading to be a bit off. I have bought posters that were graded Fine+ and when received, I would not even had given it a grade of Fine. Most Ebay sellers will accept returns where Herritage will not. What are your views on these auctions? Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com<http://www.filmfan.com/> ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu<mailto:lists...@listserv.american.edu> In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com<http://www.filmfan.com/> ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu<mailto:lists...@listserv.american.edu> In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How
Re: [MOPO] Ebay verses other auctions like Herritage, etc...
Here's the problem I have with that logic. Where did the "of which some 50,000 have bid on posters over the last 10 years" statistic come from? Where do any of the high reported prices come from? On both of these, we have to take these stats as a matter of faith, for we never see who these "50,000 bidders" are, and in fact we never see who ANY of these bidders are, since they all have hidden IDs. On the other hand, we DO see as a proven fact that many, many of the items that are REPORTED to have "sold" for high amounts quickly return to the auction block and often "sell" for LESS the next time, and sometimes they quickly come back for a third round. So each person needs to weigh all the above together and draw their own conclusions. Bruce On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Richard Halegua Comic Art < sa...@comic-art.com> wrote: > I have almost 1500 members at MoviePosterBid > Bruce has about 5000 members > > Heritage has over 2 million people throughout the entire list of bidders, > of which some 50,000 have bid on posters over the last 10 years > > I think that speaks for itself > > then add in that their bidders are some of the wealthiest people in the > world and who do not buy anywhere else... > > well, that's your answer > > > > > At 01:07 PM 3/8/2009, Mike Laskowsky wrote: > > Just curious of your views on Ebay auctions verses big auction houses like > Herritage and many others. > > It just surprises me that I see such great vintage movie posters and > lobbies on Ebay by well known sellers with highly collected titles in great > condition and priced fairly, yet no buyers. Yet Herritage always seems to > pull in winning bidders who bid more than you can buy it Ebay and plus a 20% > buyers premium. I have also won items from Herritage, but most times find > their grading to be a bit off. I have bought posters that were graded Fine+ > and when received, I would not even had given it a grade of Fine. Most Ebay > sellers will accept returns where Herritage will not. > > What are your views on these auctions? > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > ___ > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu > In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > ___ How to > UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: > lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF > MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Ebay verses other auctions like Herritage, etc...
It makes for tough competition when you're aiming for the good stuff. Richard Del Belso Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:13:25 -0700 From: sa...@comic-art.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] Ebay verses other auctions like Herritage, etc... To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU I have almost 1500 members at MoviePosterBid Bruce has about 5000 members Heritage has over 2 million people throughout the entire list of bidders, of which some 50,000 have bid on posters over the last 10 years I think that speaks for itself then add in that their bidders are some of the wealthiest people in the world and who do not buy anywhere else... well, that's your answer At 01:07 PM 3/8/2009, Mike Laskowsky wrote: Just curious of your views on Ebay auctions verses big auction houses like Herritage and many others. It just surprises me that I see such great vintage movie posters and lobbies on Ebay by well known sellers with highly collected titles in great condition and priced fairly, yet no buyers. Yet Herritage always seems to pull in winning bidders who bid more than you can buy it Ebay and plus a 20% buyers premium. I have also won items from Herritage, but most times find their grading to be a bit off. I have bought posters that were graded Fine+ and when received, I would not even had given it a grade of Fine. Most Ebay sellers will accept returns where Herritage will not. What are your views on these auctions? Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Ebay verses other auctions like Herritage, etc...
I have almost 1500 members at MoviePosterBid Bruce has about 5000 members Heritage has over 2 million people throughout the entire list of bidders, of which some 50,000 have bid on posters over the last 10 years I think that speaks for itself then add in that their bidders are some of the wealthiest people in the world and who do not buy anywhere else... well, that's your answer At 01:07 PM 3/8/2009, Mike Laskowsky wrote: Just curious of your views on Ebay auctions verses big auction houses like Herritage and many others. It just surprises me that I see such great vintage movie posters and lobbies on Ebay by well known sellers with highly collected titles in great condition and priced fairly, yet no buyers. Yet Herritage always seems to pull in winning bidders who bid more than you can buy it Ebay and plus a 20% buyers premium. I have also won items from Herritage, but most times find their grading to be a bit off. I have bought posters that were graded Fine+ and when received, I would not even had given it a grade of Fine. Most Ebay sellers will accept returns where Herritage will not. What are your views on these auctions? Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Ebay verses other auctions like Herritage, etc...
I think that it depends entirely upon what are you collect as certain genres go up and down and that seems even more glaring when the titles are 'classics'. My own interest is in exploitation titles and such and there is certainly no seller out there with reasonably priced items getting cold. I'd be quickly grabbing them. That area is still very much alive and well regardless of what venue. I find that some sellers can be equally vague and in attentive to the poster's grading but then I admit to being very picky about condition. If you click on the Heritage image, it goes to a very high resolution copy and you should be easily able to find any strong defects through that. I always check that and I rarely have any big complaints. It's certainly better than trusting an unknown ebay seller with a tiny photo. Still, I am basically fence-sitting here because I do understand and agree with your general assessment of things, I'm just offering additional observations and advice. Michael On 8-Mar-09, at 4:07 PM, Mike Laskowsky wrote: Just curious of your views on Ebay auctions verses big auction houses like Herritage and many others. It just surprises me that I see such great vintage movie posters and lobbies on Ebay by well known sellers with highly collected titles in great condition and priced fairly, yet no buyers. Yet Herritage always seems to pull in winning bidders who bid more than you can buy it Ebay and plus a 20% buyers premium. I have also won items from Herritage, but most times find their grading to be a bit off. I have bought posters that were graded Fine+ and when received, I would not even had given it a grade of Fine. Most Ebay sellers will accept returns where Herritage will not. What are your views on these auctions? Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Ebay verses other auctions like Herritage, etc...
mike, i think in these times, too.. people are not bidding and buying as much on ebay. i look there quite a bit too and things that one would think a steal, are now just sitting there. heritage has many unique and wonderful posters, too..but i would bet, for many... having to cough up an additional 19.5% in so NOT appealing. i personally think that percentage to be a bit high (just my opinion). and with other sellers like rich or bruce, who carry a vast array of items that he tries to detail with awesome photos AND no BP, many seek out these venues, as well. best. jeff On Mar 8, 2009, at 1:07 PM, Mike Laskowsky wrote: Just curious of your views on Ebay auctions verses big auction houses like Herritage and many others. It just surprises me that I see such great vintage movie posters and lobbies on Ebay by well known sellers with highly collected titles in great condition and priced fairly, yet no buyers. Yet Herritage always seems to pull in winning bidders who bid more than you can buy it Ebay and plus a 20% buyers premium. I have also won items from Herritage, but most times find their grading to be a bit off. I have bought posters that were graded Fine+ and when received, I would not even had given it a grade of Fine. Most Ebay sellers will accept returns where Herritage will not. What are your views on these auctions? Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Ebay verses other auctions like Herritage, etc...
There are great deals to be found on both Heritage and Ebay and also some lemons. Individual dealers also have some great deals. You can't generalize and as always, you have to read the descriptions and conditions carefully and review the photos particularly for CENSOR STAMPS if they bother you. Some dealers make a point of not mentioning these because they feel that these don't detract from the condition. I wildly don't agree with that conjecture and I'm frequently annoyed when I buy something with censor stamps from a dealer or auction house that failed to mention these. Sometimes they are not visible in the photos. If the condition stated is not correct, I do insist on a return. Most vendors on and off Ebay comply in this instance. It's smart business. FRANC -Original Message- From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Mike Laskowsky Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 4:08 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: [MOPO] Ebay verses other auctions like Herritage, etc... Just curious of your views on Ebay auctions verses big auction houses like Herritage and many others. It just surprises me that I see such great vintage movie posters and lobbies on Ebay by well known sellers with highly collected titles in great condition and priced fairly, yet no buyers. Yet Herritage always seems to pull in winning bidders who bid more than you can buy it Ebay and plus a 20% buyers premium. I have also won items from Herritage, but most times find their grading to be a bit off. I have bought posters that were graded Fine+ and when received, I would not even had given it a grade of Fine. Most Ebay sellers will accept returns where Herritage will not. What are your views on these auctions? Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
