Re: [MOSAIC] RTI

2007-10-06 Thread Beverlee Paul
Please suggest this book to your school psychologist:  
http://www.amazon.com/Truth-About-DIBELS-What-Does/dp/0325010501/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-9699880-5916468?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1191735823&sr=8-1Our
 school psychologist is pushing for DIBELS, but after using it > briefly and 
reading the book by Elaine Garan where she addresses valid reasons for > not 
using it, I'm hoping we won't. 
> Michelle, NY 2-5 Reading> 
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Re: [MOSAIC] mastery of stragies

2007-10-06 Thread Waingort Jimenez, Elisa
I would think the common assessments would be about comprehending and not about 
the strategies.  In other words, students should show they are comprehending 
what they read not that they use a particular strategy to do so.  Does this 
make sense?
Elisa

Elisa Waingort
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Dalhousie Elementary
Calgary, Canada


See we need to do common assessments to show mastery of our strategy unit.  
What would you say to them?  Thanks, Gina 6th grade.
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Re: [MOSAIC] RTI

2007-10-06 Thread DeMilleReed
In NYS, I believe, eventual RTI (response to intervention) involvement is  
not optional.  It is part of the state push to lower special education  
classification numbers.  The idea is that we make sure we have given a  child 
the best 
possible intervention before we make assumptions about learning  
disabilities.  It also includes the idea that even if a child does have a  
learning 
disability, we need to have a real and concrete plan for addressing the  
child's 
learning needs. 
 
 In the past we worked with the discrepancy model which looked for a  certain 
gap between a child's actual achievement and their expected  potential.  That 
model assumed that the child was receiving the best  possible intervention, 
which isn't always the case.  The tiers indicate the  child's level of 
instruction, tier three being the most needy and perhaps will  end up being 
classified 
with a learning disability.  Tier one, grade level  and doing fine.
 
In our school, use of this model has been ok.  I have found that  special 
education teachers and reading teachers are working much more closely  
together. 
This is a good thing.  It's all a continuum of learning  needs, in my opinion. 
  We have had experiences with children that we  were pretty sure would end 
up under the Committee for Special Education who did  not after the "tier 3" 
intervention we were able to provide.  This  intervention for the most needy 
learners has worked out to be that sometimes a  child will have 3 reading 
lessons 
a day, planned pretty congruently: one from  the Title I Reading teacher, one 
from the special education teacher and one from  their classroom teacher.  
 
I've been a teacher for a long time and I do have mixed feelings about this  
stuff.  Overall, I am ok with it and have been able to shape my piece in it  
to contain what I believe to be best for my students in Title I.  I work in  a 
small district in which we are able to contribute specifically with the  
direction our programs go.  I am curious to hear other people's  experiences. 
 
Cathy 
Title I Reading
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Re: [MOSAIC] RTI

2007-10-06 Thread jkyingling
I'm curious to know what will you use as your universal screening tool if
you don't use DIBELS?  Will it be AIMSWeb?  We're using DIBELS and it's just
not enough.  Our kids need screened for reading comprehension and math and
the DIBELS just doesn't do that.



Our school psychologist is pushing for DIBELS, but after using it
> briefly and reading the book by Elaine Garan where she addresses valid
reasons  for
> not using it, I'm hoping we won't.

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Re: [MOSAIC] RTI

2007-10-06 Thread Hayden_Jeanette
What is RTI and could you please explain the tiering system further.
Thanks.
J.Hayden


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> system this year. I'm an AIS reading teacher.


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Re: [MOSAIC] RTI

2007-10-06 Thread Plongshell
My district started investigating RTI last year and we are using  the tiering 
system this year. I'm an AIS reading teacher. Because of the tiering  we have 
some groups limited to 3 kids (tier 3) and 6 kids (tier 2). We have not  been 
told to use any specific program yet, but I could see it coming because of  
the need for frequent progress monitoring. That is different from our previous  
AIS where the kids were formally assessed 3 times a year with DRA or QRI  
testing. Our school psychologist is pushing for DIBELS, but after using it  
briefly and reading the book by Elaine Garan where she addresses valid reasons  
for 
not using it, I'm hoping we won't. Is your district advocating the Options  
program because they wanted a common intervention for all tier 3 kids? I'd also 
 like to hear from other interventionists and if RTI has hit their  districts.
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Re: [MOSAIC] San Diego quick test

2007-10-06 Thread read3

 If so, perhaps you could share the source.? We purchased the DRA2 - big 's 
- is it something that you got when your district bought from Pearson?
Thanks.
-Martha


 


 

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I am pretty sure this is copyright infringement...???
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Re: [MOSAIC] mastery of stragies

2007-10-06 Thread read3

 
---Am I right that the STW 2 doesn't focus on connecting?  I am about to 
rethink it 
myself.  I just spent 2 weeks on it.  Forcing a connection, and then forcing a 
So What? meaningful use of the connection isn't flowing well.---



I know what you mean about the 'connections' feeling forced.? Two points
1) I heard some time ago, before STW#2 came out, that Ellin Keene had said at a 
conference that had she to do it all over again, she wouldn't have broken it 
down into T-S, etc.? 
2) yes, the 'so what' asked 3 times does help bring the students closer to the 
importance of making connections, but even better, when we model, we start 
with, "did you ever feel like so-and-so?" which leads us to a list of feeling 
words, which leads to some GREAT vocab development.? Which is followed up with, 
"and when did you feel that way?"? Then the? connection is to the character's 
feelings which? helps kids dig deeper into understanding WHY a character did 
what he/she did, etc.? It's also great to connect to a character trait.

We have found that starting out this way, way down into kindergarten, 
eliminates that "oh yeah, I have a red wagon, too" syndrome and moves the 
learners much more quickly to those meaty connections.? Even in a great story 
like Smoky Night, students have felt loss, fear, closeness of family etc. and 
can make connections to the child in the story without having had to experience 
the awful riots and fires.

-Martha


 


 

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[MOSAIC] strategies

2007-10-06 Thread Laura Cannon
The school I work at read Debbie Miller's book, and now we are required to
teach a different comprehension strategy every month. However, we don't
really have a system for assessing students on mastery of the strategies.  I
like this posted idea of students coming up with their own methods of
identifying where they are using strategies.  However, I work with second
graders, so I'm wondering if there are specific ways that people have found
to work well in assessing any or all of the strategies at this level.

 

 

I may be off base here but isn't the goal of the strategies comprehension?
I don't think we need to assess the strategies, we need to assess the
comprehension.  In sports players work and practice many strategies that
their coaches have taught them but the test comes in the game-if they apply
the strategies they play well.  We don't want to test the strategies we test
the comprehension.  Several have mentioned how kids can get hung up in
coding connections-the point isn't to code correctly, the point is to make
and use the connection to comprehend what they are reading. Teacher
observations, reading conferences etc. will give us the information on
whether the students are using the strategies.

Laura C

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Re: [MOSAIC] mastery of strategies

2007-10-06 Thread ckmet
Rose,

I, too, am a second grade teacher and to be honest; the best way I have
found to assess my children in the use of their strategies is through
simple conversation through readers conferences and taking anecdotal
notes. There is a strategy rubric available that you can use to assess
formally from your anecdotal records:

http://www.readinglady.com/mosaic/tools/Strategy%20Rubrics.pdf


Christina


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Re: [MOSAIC] mastery of strategies

2007-10-06 Thread Rose Scannell
The school I work at read Debbie Miller's book, and now we are required to 
teach a different comprehension strategy every month. However, we don't really 
have a system for assessing students on mastery of the strategies.  I like this 
posted idea of students coming up with their own methods of identifying where 
they are using strategies.  However, I work with second graders, so I'm 
wondering if there are specific ways that people have found to work well in 
assessing any or all of the strategies at this level.
   
  Thanks for any thoughts on the subject!
   
  Rose

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  Gina,

I found the same true in my classroom. After insisting they code T-S, T-T,
T-W, it dawned on me that my kids were focusing more on whether they were
"coding" correctly than on their actual connections. Instead, I introduced
it to them and allowed them to come up with their own unique ways to code
whether it be a picture or writing. Some of my kids starting drawing a
lightbulb when they were reminded of something. Some would draw a book
when it reminded them of another story we have read in class. I found that
in my own reading, I often just mark text in the margins. Who cares
whether they code correctly, as long as they're finding meaning in what
they read. If they didn't have a connection, that was fine. After
conversing with their peers, they often find shared experiences.

Christina




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[MOSAIC] DRA word list

2007-10-06 Thread Ninfa Seloff
Can you tell us the name of the book the word list came from?  Is it part of 
the DRA2 assessments ofr previous DRA kit?
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Re: [MOSAIC] San Diego quick test

2007-10-06 Thread CNJPALMER
 
I am pretty sure this is copyright infringement...???
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Re: [MOSAIC] mastery of strategies

2007-10-06 Thread Beverlee Paul
Assessing Comprehension Thinking Strategies by Ellin Keene, published by Shell 
Education is very helpful.

> Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 13:56:21 -0700> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 
> mosaic@literacyworkshop.org> Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] mastery of strategies> > 
> The school I work at read Debbie Miller's book, and now we are required to 
> teach a different comprehension strategy every month. However, we don't 
> really have a system for assessing students on mastery of the strategies. I 
> like this posted idea of students coming up with their own methods of 
> identifying where they are using strategies. However, I work with second 
> graders, so I'm wondering if there are specific ways that people have found 
> to work well in assessing any or all of the strategies at this level.> > 
> Thanks for any thoughts on the subject!> > Rose> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> 
> Gina,> > I found the same true in my classroom. After insisting they code 
> T-S, T-T,> T-W, it dawned on me that my kids were focusing more on whether 
> they were> "coding" correctly than on their actual connections. Instead, I 
> introduced> it to them and allowed them to come up with their own unique ways 
> to code> whether it be a picture or writing. Some of my kids starting drawing 
> a> lightbulb when they were reminded of something. Some would draw a book> 
> when it reminded them of another story we have read in class. I found that> 
> in my own reading, I often just mark text in the margins. Who cares> whether 
> they code correctly, as long as they're finding meaning in what> they read. 
> If they didn't have a connection, that was fine. After> conversing with their 
> peers, they often find shared experiences.> > Christina> > > > > 
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Re: [MOSAIC] mastery of stragies

2007-10-06 Thread ckmet
Gina,

I found the same true in my classroom. After insisting they code T-S, T-T,
T-W, it dawned on me that my kids were focusing more on whether they were
"coding" correctly than on their actual connections. Instead, I introduced
it to them and allowed them to come up with their own unique ways to code
whether it be a picture or writing. Some of my kids starting drawing a
lightbulb when they were reminded of something. Some would draw a book
when it reminded them of another story we have read in class. I found that
in my own reading, I often just mark text in the margins. Who cares
whether they code correctly, as long as they're finding meaning in what
they read. If they didn't have a connection, that was fine. After
conversing with their peers, they often find shared experiences.

Christina




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Re: [MOSAIC] San Diego quick test

2007-10-06 Thread Goobk12
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Re: [MOSAIC] Margaret Mooney

2007-10-06 Thread Creecher12
 
I recognized a lot of friends at the recent Ralph Fletcher  conversation on 
the TLN ( Richard Owen ) listserv. 
There is going to be an online talk with Margaret Mooney this  week. I have 
taken a class with her and heard her speak twice, and came away  with many new 
great ideas. For those of you who are interested, here is a link  with more 
info. 
 
_The Learning  Network Solutions_ 
(http://www.rcowen.com/TLNOnlineDiscussions.htm)  
 
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[MOSAIC] mastery of stragies

2007-10-06 Thread gina nunley


Am I right that the STW 2 doesn't focus on connecting?  I am about to rethink 
it myself.  I just spent 2 weeks on it.  Forcing a connection, and then forcing 
a So What? meaningful use of the connection isn't flowing well.
 
I also decided after several years that insisting they code T-S, T-T, and T-W 
isn't really necessary either.  I am being much simpler.  I am saying
 
Hey did this remind you of anything...oh yeah?  What?  Oh do you think that you 
can use that information to understand and event or character...no OK let's go 
on.  Yes OK let's talk about that.  
 
No connection?  OK let's keep reading.  Or maybe I add my own.
 
 
I see teachers, myself included, forcing the strategy work and it just doesn't 
work that way most days, which leaves me wondering how to talk to my district 
about MASTERY.
 
  See we need to do common assessments to show mastery of our strategy unit.  
What would you say to them?  Thanks, Gina 6th grade.
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Re: [MOSAIC] San Diego quick test

2007-10-06 Thread ljackson
I also would appreciate it.

Lori


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> 
>  We are about to launch our very first round of DRA testing.? Would you be
> able to share that list, perhaps as an attachment?? I'm guessing I'm one of
> many who will thank you!
> -Martha
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> Jennifer I have a word list that has correlated dra levels on it. When  first
> graders come to their very first DRA test ever we usually pick about five
> benchmark books. Then we work up or down from the initial reading if that text
> is not the just right text. But this is time consuming so if I administer
> the word test (which is just lists correlated to Dra levels it almost always
> chooses a text better than the five finger rule and student and teacher
> discussion i just started using the word list and am actually
> Narrowing  the benchmarks used for initial DRA assessment and am able to
> place students in  appropriate levels earlier .
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Re: [MOSAIC] San Diego quick test

2007-10-06 Thread read3

 We are about to launch our very first round of DRA testing.? Would you be able 
to share that list, perhaps as an attachment?? I'm guessing I'm one of many who 
will thank you!
-Martha


 


 

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Jennifer I have a word list that has correlated dra levels on it. When  first 
graders come to their very first DRA test ever we usually pick about five  
benchmark books. Then we work up or down from the initial reading if that text  
is not the just right text. But this is time consuming so if I administer  
the word test (which is just lists correlated to Dra levels it almost always  
chooses a text better than the five finger rule and student and teacher  
discussion i just started using the word list and am actually  
Narrowing  the benchmarks used for initial DRA assessment and am able to 
place students in  appropriate levels earlier .  



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Re: [MOSAIC] Help. .(again)

2007-10-06 Thread Paula Rushia
At my school, our Reading With Meaning book club was open to all grade levels, 
and as a fifth grade teacher, I'm so glad I joined it.  RWM clearly explains 
how to teach the strategies described in Mosaic.  I found it easy to envision 
how Miller's lessons would look in a fifth grade classroom.
Paula

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I had a similar experience...intermediate teachers were turned off by the  
primary focus.
One group picked Mosaic rather than Strategies That Work (it looked  shorter) 
but found it too abstract. They wanted practical.
Those that did Strategies That Work were intimidated at first by the size  of 
the book but found it the most practical and applicable of all...
Jennifer
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Also, as far as starting the group. . . What do you think  would be the
best possible way of advertising? We all know that not every  teacher is
open to new ideas and I really want to present it in the best  light
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Re: [MOSAIC] San Diego quick test

2007-10-06 Thread Kukonis
Jennifer I have a word list that has correlated dra levels on it. When  first 
graders come to their very first DRA test ever we usually pick about five  
benchmark books. Then we work up or down from the initial reading if that text  
is not the just right text. But this is time consuming so if I administer  
the word test (which is just lists correlated to Dra levels it almost always  
chooses a text better than the five finger rule and student and teacher  
discussion i just started using the word list and am actually  
Narrowing  the benchmarks used for initial DRA assessment and am able to 
place students in  appropriate levels earlier .  



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Re: [MOSAIC] RTI

2007-10-06 Thread PAltm81324

In a message dated 10/5/07 11:38:01 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> Anyone from this group involved with Response to Intervention (RTI).  Our 
> district just began this process this year.  I was assigned to be an 
> interventionist at Tier 3.  I was told that I needed to use Options 
> Intervention 
> materials.  Is anyone in the same position and/or has experience using 
> Options?
> 

I am also an AIS or RTI teacher. I have one section of grade 6 ELA and   
three of grade 8. I am not being directed to use any specific program though.

Pat - NY


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