Re: [MOSAIC] conflicting assessments
While I don't know the answer to that, I am fairly new to this blog and enjoy learning from others. We use to AIMS and F and P for our assessments. Wish I could help. On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Beth OConnor ocon...@norfolk.k12.ma.uswrote: Hello! I am seeking some guidance regarding a student's reading performance vs. her performance on Fundations dictations. She is a first grader reading beautifully at an F independently, but she is TANKING on her Fundations assessments. The teacher is very concerned because after weeks of instruction, this child is obviously missing SOMETHING in the encoding department, but the reading specialist working with her is not concerned at all because her reading is progressing so well. Can someone tell me what it means that she can't apply the Fundations rules to her encoding? Is she not hearing the sounds? Is she not remembering the rules? Is this a case of one phonics program not being right for all? What instructional steps would you take from here? Thank you! Beth __**_ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/**mailman/options/mosaic_** literacyworkshop.orghttp://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/**MosaicArchivehttp://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive -- * Miss Zilch's Websitehttp://www.d70schools.org/%7Ekzilch/MissZilch/Home.html District 70... Where Character Counts!* -- District 70's Mission: To ensure that District 70 students experience learning that prepares them to live and work in the 21st Century. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive
[MOSAIC] conflicting assessments
Hello! I am seeking some guidance regarding a student's reading performance vs. her performance on Fundations dictations. She is a first grader reading beautifully at an F independently, but she is TANKING on her Fundations assessments. The teacher is very concerned because after weeks of instruction, this child is obviously missing SOMETHING in the encoding department, but the reading specialist working with her is not concerned at all because her reading is progressing so well. Can someone tell me what it means that she can't apply the Fundations rules to her encoding? Is she not hearing the sounds? Is she not remembering the rules? Is this a case of one phonics program not being right for all? What instructional steps would you take from here? Thank you! Beth ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive
Re: [MOSAIC] conflicting assessments
Here are a couple of thoughts. She may be reading an F independently...but is she sight word reading? Watch what she does when she makes an error...or when she comes to a word she doesn't know. What strategies is she using? Does she tap out unknown words successfully or is she using something else.? I think her process for decoding is more important here than the level. Good readers are using meaning, syntax and visual cues. Fundations works mainly on one aspect of this...visual cues (phonics). Look at the errors. What kinds of errors is she making? Do her errors make sense, but don't look right? Do her errors fit syntactically with the sentence...they sound right... but don't look right or make sense? What are you seeing in her inventive spelling? What is she using/misusing? Not when she is having fundations words dictated to her... but what is she doing on her own? Does she put a letter for every sound yet? Is she using short vowels correctly yet or only long vowels? She needs a phonemic awareness assessment. Can she segment and blend auditorially? If not, she won't do it when you add letters to the mix. If she DOES have good phonemic awareness, then some kids can look at a letter and remember the sound, but have a harder time when you give a sound, remembering what the letter looks like to write it. Maybe that's the issue. If you make the /f/ sound, and the child says thats an f but then asks how do you make an f?, then they are having trouble remembering the letter when attempting to spell. As for the rules, they are not very helpful except as a mneumonic once a child already understands how words are working. I wouldnt spend more time drilling rules... that usually isn't helpful and not at the root of the problem. Jennifer L. Palmer Instructional Facilitator National Board Certified Teacher Magnolia Elementary (home school) 901 Trimble Road Joppa, MD 21085 410-612-1553 Fax 410-612-1576 In every child a touch of greatness!!' Proud of our Title One School Norrisville Elementary 5302 Norrisville Road White Hall, MD 21161 410-692-7810 Fax 410-692-7812 Where Bright Futures Begin!! From: mosaic-bounces+jennifer.palmer=hcps@literacyworkshop.org [mosaic-bounces+jennifer.palmer=hcps@literacyworkshop.org] on behalf of Beth OConnor [ocon...@norfolk.k12.ma.us] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 8:53 AM To: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group Subject: [MOSAIC] conflicting assessments Hello! I am seeking some guidance regarding a student's reading performance vs. her performance on Fundations dictations. She is a first grader reading beautifully at an F independently, but she is TANKING on her Fundations assessments. The teacher is very concerned because after weeks of instruction, this child is obviously missing SOMETHING in the encoding department, but the reading specialist working with her is not concerned at all because her reading is progressing so well. Can someone tell me what it means that she can't apply the Fundations rules to her encoding? Is she not hearing the sounds? Is she not remembering the rules? Is this a case of one phonics program not being right for all? What instructional steps would you take from here? Thank you! Beth ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive
Re: [MOSAIC] conflicting assessments
Beth, how does the child perform when asked to make words with the tiles during that part of the Fundations lesson? Could it be that she is having trouble relating the visual of the letter to the sound? When she is reading a text, does she rely more on picture clues and making the text makes sense OR does she sound out most of her words? I have seen students that cannot decode/encode in isolation but can read text. It is due to the fact that they are using many strategies when reading a text. Kendra Elementary Teacher Coach Email Disclaimer: Please be advised that the contents of this message and any reply may be subject to disclosure under North Carolina law. This communication is for use by the intended recipient and contains information that may be privileged, confidential, or copyrighted under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby formally notified that any use, copying, or distribution of this communication, in whole or in part, is strictly prohibited. Please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message and any attachments without retaining a copy. This communication does not constitute consent to the use of sender's contact information for direct marketing purposes or for transfers of data to third parties. Hello! I am seeking some guidance regarding a student's reading performance vs. her performance on Fundations dictations. She is a first grader reading beautifully at an F independently, but she is TANKING on her Fundations assessments. The teacher is very concerned because after weeks of instruction, this child is obviously missing SOMETHING in the encoding department, but the reading specialist working with her is not concerned at all because her reading is progressing so well. Can someone tell me what it means that she can't apply the Fundations rules to her encoding? Is she not hearing the sounds? Is she not remembering the rules? Is this a case of one phonics program not being right for all? What instructional steps would you take from here? Thank you! Beth __**_ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/**mailman/options/mosaic_** literacyworkshop.orghttp://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_ literacyworkshop.org Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/**MosaicArchivehttp://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive -- * Miss Zilch's Websitehttp://www.d70schools.org/%7Ekzilch/MissZilch/Home.html District 70... Where Character Counts!* -- District 70's Mission: To ensure that District 70 students experience learning that prepares them to live and work in the 21st Century. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive
