Re: [Moses-support] Looking for non-CLI tool for aligning parallel text
"phrases" are not usually directly aligned. instead, words are (this is what Giza++ does for example). phrases are usually extracted using heuristics. the accuracy of word alignment is a function of the number of sentence pairs and also the actual language pair. for example, you need a lot more data to do well at Chinese-English than with Spanish-English. Miles 2009/10/27 Catalin Braescu : > Then I wonder how can aligning be done automatically for phrases? And > what's the accuracy of such process? > > > Catalin Braescu > > > > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 12:36 AM, Miles Osborne wrote: >> well, alignment is a task that is really done en mass and not >> sentence-by-sentence. apart from say teaching, there isn't really a >> need for a GUI to do it. >> >> (convince me that you are ready to use this to align 8 million >> sentence pairs and i'd be impressed) >> >> Miles >> >> 2009/10/27 Catalin Braescu : >>> Big thanks for the links! >>> >>> But I have to say I cannot believe my eyes... most of these programs >>> are jar files launcged with parameters from the command line... and >>> the way they work could be a textbook for user unfriendliness :-( >>> >>> How can people stand such primitive and bizarre apps? I am not bashing >>> their authors, I am only surprised there weren't any authors of better >>> programs... >>> >>> >>> Catalin Braescu >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Adam Lopez wrote: There are several of these around. Note that I have not used any of them. http://www.cs.utah.edu/~hal/HandAlign/ http://www.umiacs.umd.edu/~nmadnani/alignment/forclip.htm http://www.d.umn.edu/~tpederse/parallel.html http://www.let.rug.nl/~tiedeman/Uplug/ Ulrich Germann also demonstrated such an editor at last year's ACL, although it does not seem to be online; perhaps email him. Adam On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Catalin Braescu wrote: > Ok, so what I'm looking for is a non-CLI alignment editor. Any ideas? > > > Catalin Braescu > Omlulu.com > > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Catalin Braescu > wrote: >> I am asking in advance for your forgiveness if my question is trivial >> (or, rather, the answer). >> >> I am looking for a non-CLI tool that a not-very-technical person can >> use to align 2 documents in different languages. >> >> When I'm saying "non--CLI" I mean anything that has a window and a >> "visual" way of handling things: anything between a dual pane Notepad, >> a php-backed web form, a Java Applet, whatever. as in, not a command >> line "thing" - our newly hired PC operators won't be able to handle >> it. >> >> Any suggestions? >> >> >> >> Catalin Braescu >> Omlulu.com >> > ___ > Moses-support mailing list > Moses-support@mit.edu > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/moses-support > >>> >>> ___ >>> Moses-support mailing list >>> Moses-support@mit.edu >>> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/moses-support >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in >> Scotland, with registration number SC005336. >> > > ___ > Moses-support mailing list > Moses-support@mit.edu > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/moses-support > -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. ___ Moses-support mailing list Moses-support@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/moses-support
Re: [Moses-support] Looking for non-CLI tool for aligning parallel text
Then I wonder how can aligning be done automatically for phrases? And what's the accuracy of such process? Catalin Braescu On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 12:36 AM, Miles Osborne wrote: > well, alignment is a task that is really done en mass and not > sentence-by-sentence. apart from say teaching, there isn't really a > need for a GUI to do it. > > (convince me that you are ready to use this to align 8 million > sentence pairs and i'd be impressed) > > Miles > > 2009/10/27 Catalin Braescu : >> Big thanks for the links! >> >> But I have to say I cannot believe my eyes... most of these programs >> are jar files launcged with parameters from the command line... and >> the way they work could be a textbook for user unfriendliness :-( >> >> How can people stand such primitive and bizarre apps? I am not bashing >> their authors, I am only surprised there weren't any authors of better >> programs... >> >> >> Catalin Braescu >> >> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Adam Lopez wrote: >>> There are several of these around. Note that I have not used any of them. >>> >>> http://www.cs.utah.edu/~hal/HandAlign/ >>> http://www.umiacs.umd.edu/~nmadnani/alignment/forclip.htm >>> http://www.d.umn.edu/~tpederse/parallel.html >>> http://www.let.rug.nl/~tiedeman/Uplug/ >>> >>> Ulrich Germann also demonstrated such an editor at last year's ACL, >>> although it does not seem to be online; perhaps email him. >>> >>> Adam >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Catalin Braescu >>> wrote: Ok, so what I'm looking for is a non-CLI alignment editor. Any ideas? Catalin Braescu Omlulu.com On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Catalin Braescu wrote: > I am asking in advance for your forgiveness if my question is trivial > (or, rather, the answer). > > I am looking for a non-CLI tool that a not-very-technical person can > use to align 2 documents in different languages. > > When I'm saying "non--CLI" I mean anything that has a window and a > "visual" way of handling things: anything between a dual pane Notepad, > a php-backed web form, a Java Applet, whatever. as in, not a command > line "thing" - our newly hired PC operators won't be able to handle > it. > > Any suggestions? > > > > Catalin Braescu > Omlulu.com > ___ Moses-support mailing list Moses-support@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/moses-support >>> >> >> ___ >> Moses-support mailing list >> Moses-support@mit.edu >> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/moses-support >> > > > > -- > The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in > Scotland, with registration number SC005336. > ___ Moses-support mailing list Moses-support@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/moses-support
Re: [Moses-support] Looking for non-CLI tool for aligning parallel text
well, alignment is a task that is really done en mass and not sentence-by-sentence. apart from say teaching, there isn't really a need for a GUI to do it. (convince me that you are ready to use this to align 8 million sentence pairs and i'd be impressed) Miles 2009/10/27 Catalin Braescu : > Big thanks for the links! > > But I have to say I cannot believe my eyes... most of these programs > are jar files launcged with parameters from the command line... and > the way they work could be a textbook for user unfriendliness :-( > > How can people stand such primitive and bizarre apps? I am not bashing > their authors, I am only surprised there weren't any authors of better > programs... > > > Catalin Braescu > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Adam Lopez wrote: >> There are several of these around. Note that I have not used any of them. >> >> http://www.cs.utah.edu/~hal/HandAlign/ >> http://www.umiacs.umd.edu/~nmadnani/alignment/forclip.htm >> http://www.d.umn.edu/~tpederse/parallel.html >> http://www.let.rug.nl/~tiedeman/Uplug/ >> >> Ulrich Germann also demonstrated such an editor at last year's ACL, >> although it does not seem to be online; perhaps email him. >> >> Adam >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Catalin Braescu wrote: >>> Ok, so what I'm looking for is a non-CLI alignment editor. Any ideas? >>> >>> >>> Catalin Braescu >>> Omlulu.com >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Catalin Braescu >>> wrote: I am asking in advance for your forgiveness if my question is trivial (or, rather, the answer). I am looking for a non-CLI tool that a not-very-technical person can use to align 2 documents in different languages. When I'm saying "non--CLI" I mean anything that has a window and a "visual" way of handling things: anything between a dual pane Notepad, a php-backed web form, a Java Applet, whatever. as in, not a command line "thing" - our newly hired PC operators won't be able to handle it. Any suggestions? Catalin Braescu Omlulu.com >>> ___ >>> Moses-support mailing list >>> Moses-support@mit.edu >>> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/moses-support >>> >> > > ___ > Moses-support mailing list > Moses-support@mit.edu > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/moses-support > -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. ___ Moses-support mailing list Moses-support@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/moses-support
Re: [Moses-support] Looking for non-CLI tool for aligning parallel text
Big thanks for the links! But I have to say I cannot believe my eyes... most of these programs are jar files launcged with parameters from the command line... and the way they work could be a textbook for user unfriendliness :-( How can people stand such primitive and bizarre apps? I am not bashing their authors, I am only surprised there weren't any authors of better programs... Catalin Braescu On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Adam Lopez wrote: > There are several of these around. Note that I have not used any of them. > > http://www.cs.utah.edu/~hal/HandAlign/ > http://www.umiacs.umd.edu/~nmadnani/alignment/forclip.htm > http://www.d.umn.edu/~tpederse/parallel.html > http://www.let.rug.nl/~tiedeman/Uplug/ > > Ulrich Germann also demonstrated such an editor at last year's ACL, > although it does not seem to be online; perhaps email him. > > Adam > > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Catalin Braescu wrote: >> Ok, so what I'm looking for is a non-CLI alignment editor. Any ideas? >> >> >> Catalin Braescu >> Omlulu.com >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Catalin Braescu wrote: >>> I am asking in advance for your forgiveness if my question is trivial >>> (or, rather, the answer). >>> >>> I am looking for a non-CLI tool that a not-very-technical person can >>> use to align 2 documents in different languages. >>> >>> When I'm saying "non--CLI" I mean anything that has a window and a >>> "visual" way of handling things: anything between a dual pane Notepad, >>> a php-backed web form, a Java Applet, whatever. as in, not a command >>> line "thing" - our newly hired PC operators won't be able to handle >>> it. >>> >>> Any suggestions? >>> >>> >>> >>> Catalin Braescu >>> Omlulu.com >>> >> ___ >> Moses-support mailing list >> Moses-support@mit.edu >> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/moses-support >> > ___ Moses-support mailing list Moses-support@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/moses-support
Re: [Moses-support] Looking for non-CLI tool for aligning parallel text
There are several of these around. Note that I have not used any of them. http://www.cs.utah.edu/~hal/HandAlign/ http://www.umiacs.umd.edu/~nmadnani/alignment/forclip.htm http://www.d.umn.edu/~tpederse/parallel.html http://www.let.rug.nl/~tiedeman/Uplug/ Ulrich Germann also demonstrated such an editor at last year's ACL, although it does not seem to be online; perhaps email him. Adam On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Catalin Braescu wrote: > Ok, so what I'm looking for is a non-CLI alignment editor. Any ideas? > > > Catalin Braescu > Omlulu.com > > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Catalin Braescu wrote: >> I am asking in advance for your forgiveness if my question is trivial >> (or, rather, the answer). >> >> I am looking for a non-CLI tool that a not-very-technical person can >> use to align 2 documents in different languages. >> >> When I'm saying "non--CLI" I mean anything that has a window and a >> "visual" way of handling things: anything between a dual pane Notepad, >> a php-backed web form, a Java Applet, whatever. as in, not a command >> line "thing" - our newly hired PC operators won't be able to handle >> it. >> >> Any suggestions? >> >> >> >> Catalin Braescu >> Omlulu.com >> > ___ > Moses-support mailing list > Moses-support@mit.edu > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/moses-support > ___ Moses-support mailing list Moses-support@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/moses-support
Re: [Moses-support] Looking for non-CLI tool for aligning parallel text
Ok, so what I'm looking for is a non-CLI alignment editor. Any ideas? Catalin Braescu Omlulu.com On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Catalin Braescu wrote: > I am asking in advance for your forgiveness if my question is trivial > (or, rather, the answer). > > I am looking for a non-CLI tool that a not-very-technical person can > use to align 2 documents in different languages. > > When I'm saying "non--CLI" I mean anything that has a window and a > "visual" way of handling things: anything between a dual pane Notepad, > a php-backed web form, a Java Applet, whatever. as in, not a command > line "thing" - our newly hired PC operators won't be able to handle > it. > > Any suggestions? > > > > Catalin Braescu > Omlulu.com > ___ Moses-support mailing list Moses-support@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/moses-support
[Moses-support] Looking for non-CLI tool for aligning parallel text
I am asking in advance for your forgiveness if my question is trivial (or, rather, the answer). I am looking for a non-CLI tool that a not-very-technical person can use to align 2 documents in different languages. When I'm saying "non--CLI" I mean anything that has a window and a "visual" way of handling things: anything between a dual pane Notepad, a php-backed web form, a Java Applet, whatever. as in, not a command line "thing" - our newly hired PC operators won't be able to handle it. Any suggestions? Catalin Braescu Omlulu.com ___ Moses-support mailing list Moses-support@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/moses-support
[Moses-support] Six integer in reordering model files - correction
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Oh, that's not integer! My brain seems as though gone bad
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[Moses-support] Six integer in reordering model files
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Few minutes ago, I've sent a mail that askedwhat the six integers in the third
column of the reordering model files mean.I am not sure if I understand it
correctly, but it looks likethey are likelihood for "monotone, swapped, or
discontinuous", first three of which being for e2f and the other third for
f2e under msd configuration. Sorry for my foolish question, if my guess is
right.
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[Moses-support] Six integer in reordering model files
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Hi, everyone,I wonder what the value on the third column of the
reordering-table.msd-bidirectional-fe.0.5.0-0 files actually means. ||| 0.6 0.2
0.2 0.6 0.2 0.2
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