Re: [mou-net] Recording calls
Thanks! I’ll admit that I’m a little taken aback at all the knowledge of the MOU members - thanks again to all. Tom > On Jun 9, 2021, at 2:10 PM, MJH wrote: > > I'll add a recommendation for a very flexible and quality unit: the Zoom > H5. It comes default with stereo microphones which are not bad at all - but > what I like is that they are part of a capsule that can be swapped out for > other Zoom capsules - including a shotgun mic (which I have not yet sprung > for, but may soon). This is nice if you want to keep everything in a single > hand-held unit. However, it also has XLR inputs on the bottom, so that if > you want to go with a top-end external mic, like the classic Seinhessier > ME66 already mentioned, then you will have that option too, without having > to buy another recorder. > > Give some thought to how you like your power delivered... The H5 runs on 2 > AAs, which is not what I prefer. Some units have internal batteries that > you charge via USB. > > All in all, the options (and their combinatorics) are staggering in number, > just as it is with cameras and lenses. And just like with photographic > equipment, despite the insane amount of variety out there, I still cannot > find the hardware that meets all my preferences... H5 is the closest I have > gotten yet. > >> On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 1:28 PM J. Eddy wrote: >> >> You might also look at the Zoom F1 field recorder, one version of which >> comes with a shotgun microphone capsule. It will not perform as well as the >> combination Justin suggested, but is a one-piece unit small enough to be >> carried in the big cargo pocket of my birding vest. It will do a fairly >> good job of directional isolation, though it tends to sound a little flat >> compared to a full-size shotgun. >> >> If you are eventually tempted by parabolic recording (as I was), keep in >> mind that while shotgun microphones isolate, parabolic dishes magnify. This >> sounds ideal until you point it at a bird and record a nice clear call, as >> well as the airplane you could barely hear, every aspen leaf within the >> radius of the dish, and the buzz of every single deer fly circling you. In >> a quiet environment, parabolics are great; but I have found them less ideal >> in the noisy environs of the Cities. >> >> On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 1:03 PM James Strong >> wrote: >> >>> I recently bought a Zoom H1N on sale for $100 at B Photo and so far am >>> happy with it. Free software Audacity helps even more with features that >>> can amplify sound and reduce background noise. >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 11:31 AM Justin Watts >>> wrote: >>> Hi Tom, Lots of relevant info on this published by macaulay library, xeno >> canto, wildlife recording society, audubon, and others. Although it sounds like your looking for a quick and easy microphone to >>> use with your phone (and that is certainly an option), those products >>> generally have quite a lot of noise unless you're very close. Cell phone setups >> can work if identifiable and louder recordings are your goal, but if you >> also wonder about what it takes to get the cleanest audio then it's worth a >>> look at the dedicated devices too. Try here (especially see the gear guides): https://www.macaulaylibrary.org/resources/ Personally I prefer to travel with a Marantz pmd 661 recorder and the pretty standard seinhessier me66 shotgun mic. There's plenty of similar products to choose from both above and below that price point. >> Obviously more cumbersome than a phone but the quality is only beaten by the even more awkward parabolic setups. Best, Justin Watts Hennepin On Wed, Jun 9, 2021, 10:54 AM Tom Gilde < 2247eb7407f6-dmarc-requ...@lists.umn.edu> wrote: > If anyone has any suggestions about how to record bird calls, I’d be > interested. I’ve tried a few times with my old iPhone 6 and the >>> results > were ok, but certainly could be better. Specific mikes, whether they would > have jacks to plug into a phone or camera, any hints would be appreciated. > Aside from being enjoyable in their own right, recordings would help >> me > distinguish flycatchers and learn some calls. > > Tom Gilde > > Join or Leave mou-net: >> http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > > During the pandemic, the MOU encourages you to stay safe, practice >>> social > distancing, and continue to bird responsibly. > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html During the pandemic, the MOU encourages you to stay safe, practice >> social distancing, and continue to bird responsibly. >>> >>> >>> Join or Leave mou-net:
Re: [mou-net] Recording calls
I'll add a recommendation for a very flexible and quality unit: the Zoom H5. It comes default with stereo microphones which are not bad at all - but what I like is that they are part of a capsule that can be swapped out for other Zoom capsules - including a shotgun mic (which I have not yet sprung for, but may soon). This is nice if you want to keep everything in a single hand-held unit. However, it also has XLR inputs on the bottom, so that if you want to go with a top-end external mic, like the classic Seinhessier ME66 already mentioned, then you will have that option too, without having to buy another recorder. Give some thought to how you like your power delivered... The H5 runs on 2 AAs, which is not what I prefer. Some units have internal batteries that you charge via USB. All in all, the options (and their combinatorics) are staggering in number, just as it is with cameras and lenses. And just like with photographic equipment, despite the insane amount of variety out there, I still cannot find the hardware that meets all my preferences... H5 is the closest I have gotten yet. On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 1:28 PM J. Eddy wrote: > You might also look at the Zoom F1 field recorder, one version of which > comes with a shotgun microphone capsule. It will not perform as well as the > combination Justin suggested, but is a one-piece unit small enough to be > carried in the big cargo pocket of my birding vest. It will do a fairly > good job of directional isolation, though it tends to sound a little flat > compared to a full-size shotgun. > > If you are eventually tempted by parabolic recording (as I was), keep in > mind that while shotgun microphones isolate, parabolic dishes magnify. This > sounds ideal until you point it at a bird and record a nice clear call, as > well as the airplane you could barely hear, every aspen leaf within the > radius of the dish, and the buzz of every single deer fly circling you. In > a quiet environment, parabolics are great; but I have found them less ideal > in the noisy environs of the Cities. > > On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 1:03 PM James Strong > wrote: > > > I recently bought a Zoom H1N on sale for $100 at B Photo and so far am > > happy with it. Free software Audacity helps even more with features that > > can amplify sound and reduce background noise. > > > > On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 11:31 AM Justin Watts > > wrote: > > > > > Hi Tom, > > > > > > Lots of relevant info on this published by macaulay library, xeno > canto, > > > wildlife recording society, audubon, and others. > > > > > > Although it sounds like your looking for a quick and easy microphone to > > use > > > with your phone (and that is certainly an option), those products > > generally > > > have quite a lot of noise unless you're very close. Cell phone setups > can > > > work if identifiable and louder recordings are your goal, but if you > also > > > wonder about what it takes to get the cleanest audio then it's worth a > > look > > > at the dedicated devices too. > > > > > > Try here (especially see the gear guides): > > > https://www.macaulaylibrary.org/resources/ > > > > > > Personally I prefer to travel with a Marantz pmd 661 recorder and the > > > pretty standard seinhessier me66 shotgun mic. There's plenty of similar > > > products to choose from both above and below that price point. > Obviously > > > more cumbersome than a phone but the quality is only beaten by the even > > > more awkward parabolic setups. > > > > > > Best, > > > Justin Watts > > > Hennepin > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 9, 2021, 10:54 AM Tom Gilde < > > > 2247eb7407f6-dmarc-requ...@lists.umn.edu> wrote: > > > > > > > If anyone has any suggestions about how to record bird calls, I’d be > > > > interested. I’ve tried a few times with my old iPhone 6 and the > > results > > > > were ok, but certainly could be better. Specific mikes, whether they > > > would > > > > have jacks to plug into a phone or camera, any hints would be > > > appreciated. > > > > Aside from being enjoyable in their own right, recordings would help > me > > > > distinguish flycatchers and learn some calls. > > > > > > > > Tom Gilde > > > > > > > > Join or Leave mou-net: > http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > > > > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > > > > > > > > During the pandemic, the MOU encourages you to stay safe, practice > > social > > > > distancing, and continue to bird responsibly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > > > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > > > > > > During the pandemic, the MOU encourages you to stay safe, practice > social > > > distancing, and continue to bird responsibly. > > > > > > > > > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > > > > During the pandemic, the MOU encourages you to stay safe, practice social > >
Re: [mou-net] Recording calls
Thank you - different gear for different situations. I’ve had quite the tutorial today! Tom > On Jun 9, 2021, at 1:28 PM, J. Eddy wrote: > > You might also look at the Zoom F1 field recorder, one version of which > comes with a shotgun microphone capsule. It will not perform as well as the > combination Justin suggested, but is a one-piece unit small enough to be > carried in the big cargo pocket of my birding vest. It will do a fairly > good job of directional isolation, though it tends to sound a little flat > compared to a full-size shotgun. > > If you are eventually tempted by parabolic recording (as I was), keep in > mind that while shotgun microphones isolate, parabolic dishes magnify. This > sounds ideal until you point it at a bird and record a nice clear call, as > well as the airplane you could barely hear, every aspen leaf within the > radius of the dish, and the buzz of every single deer fly circling you. In > a quiet environment, parabolics are great; but I have found them less ideal > in the noisy environs of the Cities. > >> On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 1:03 PM James Strong wrote: >> >> I recently bought a Zoom H1N on sale for $100 at B Photo and so far am >> happy with it. Free software Audacity helps even more with features that >> can amplify sound and reduce background noise. >> >> On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 11:31 AM Justin Watts >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Tom, >>> >>> Lots of relevant info on this published by macaulay library, xeno canto, >>> wildlife recording society, audubon, and others. >>> >>> Although it sounds like your looking for a quick and easy microphone to >> use >>> with your phone (and that is certainly an option), those products >> generally >>> have quite a lot of noise unless you're very close. Cell phone setups can >>> work if identifiable and louder recordings are your goal, but if you also >>> wonder about what it takes to get the cleanest audio then it's worth a >> look >>> at the dedicated devices too. >>> >>> Try here (especially see the gear guides): >>> https://www.macaulaylibrary.org/resources/ >>> >>> Personally I prefer to travel with a Marantz pmd 661 recorder and the >>> pretty standard seinhessier me66 shotgun mic. There's plenty of similar >>> products to choose from both above and below that price point. Obviously >>> more cumbersome than a phone but the quality is only beaten by the even >>> more awkward parabolic setups. >>> >>> Best, >>> Justin Watts >>> Hennepin >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 9, 2021, 10:54 AM Tom Gilde < >>> 2247eb7407f6-dmarc-requ...@lists.umn.edu> wrote: >>> If anyone has any suggestions about how to record bird calls, I’d be interested. I’ve tried a few times with my old iPhone 6 and the >> results were ok, but certainly could be better. Specific mikes, whether they >>> would have jacks to plug into a phone or camera, any hints would be >>> appreciated. Aside from being enjoyable in their own right, recordings would help me distinguish flycatchers and learn some calls. Tom Gilde Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html During the pandemic, the MOU encourages you to stay safe, practice >> social distancing, and continue to bird responsibly. >>> >>> >>> Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net >>> Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html >>> >>> During the pandemic, the MOU encourages you to stay safe, practice social >>> distancing, and continue to bird responsibly. >>> >> >> >> Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net >> Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html >> >> During the pandemic, the MOU encourages you to stay safe, practice social >> distancing, and continue to bird responsibly. >> > > > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > > During the pandemic, the MOU encourages you to stay safe, practice social > distancing, and continue to bird responsibly. Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html During the pandemic, the MOU encourages you to stay safe, practice social distancing, and continue to bird responsibly.
Re: [mou-net] Recording calls
You might also look at the Zoom F1 field recorder, one version of which comes with a shotgun microphone capsule. It will not perform as well as the combination Justin suggested, but is a one-piece unit small enough to be carried in the big cargo pocket of my birding vest. It will do a fairly good job of directional isolation, though it tends to sound a little flat compared to a full-size shotgun. If you are eventually tempted by parabolic recording (as I was), keep in mind that while shotgun microphones isolate, parabolic dishes magnify. This sounds ideal until you point it at a bird and record a nice clear call, as well as the airplane you could barely hear, every aspen leaf within the radius of the dish, and the buzz of every single deer fly circling you. In a quiet environment, parabolics are great; but I have found them less ideal in the noisy environs of the Cities. On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 1:03 PM James Strong wrote: > I recently bought a Zoom H1N on sale for $100 at B Photo and so far am > happy with it. Free software Audacity helps even more with features that > can amplify sound and reduce background noise. > > On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 11:31 AM Justin Watts > wrote: > > > Hi Tom, > > > > Lots of relevant info on this published by macaulay library, xeno canto, > > wildlife recording society, audubon, and others. > > > > Although it sounds like your looking for a quick and easy microphone to > use > > with your phone (and that is certainly an option), those products > generally > > have quite a lot of noise unless you're very close. Cell phone setups can > > work if identifiable and louder recordings are your goal, but if you also > > wonder about what it takes to get the cleanest audio then it's worth a > look > > at the dedicated devices too. > > > > Try here (especially see the gear guides): > > https://www.macaulaylibrary.org/resources/ > > > > Personally I prefer to travel with a Marantz pmd 661 recorder and the > > pretty standard seinhessier me66 shotgun mic. There's plenty of similar > > products to choose from both above and below that price point. Obviously > > more cumbersome than a phone but the quality is only beaten by the even > > more awkward parabolic setups. > > > > Best, > > Justin Watts > > Hennepin > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 9, 2021, 10:54 AM Tom Gilde < > > 2247eb7407f6-dmarc-requ...@lists.umn.edu> wrote: > > > > > If anyone has any suggestions about how to record bird calls, I’d be > > > interested. I’ve tried a few times with my old iPhone 6 and the > results > > > were ok, but certainly could be better. Specific mikes, whether they > > would > > > have jacks to plug into a phone or camera, any hints would be > > appreciated. > > > Aside from being enjoyable in their own right, recordings would help me > > > distinguish flycatchers and learn some calls. > > > > > > Tom Gilde > > > > > > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > > > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > > > > > > During the pandemic, the MOU encourages you to stay safe, practice > social > > > distancing, and continue to bird responsibly. > > > > > > > > > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > > > > During the pandemic, the MOU encourages you to stay safe, practice social > > distancing, and continue to bird responsibly. > > > > > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > > During the pandemic, the MOU encourages you to stay safe, practice social > distancing, and continue to bird responsibly. > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html During the pandemic, the MOU encourages you to stay safe, practice social distancing, and continue to bird responsibly.
Re: [mou-net] Recording calls
I recently bought a Zoom H1N on sale for $100 at B Photo and so far am happy with it. Free software Audacity helps even more with features that can amplify sound and reduce background noise. On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 11:31 AM Justin Watts wrote: > Hi Tom, > > Lots of relevant info on this published by macaulay library, xeno canto, > wildlife recording society, audubon, and others. > > Although it sounds like your looking for a quick and easy microphone to use > with your phone (and that is certainly an option), those products generally > have quite a lot of noise unless you're very close. Cell phone setups can > work if identifiable and louder recordings are your goal, but if you also > wonder about what it takes to get the cleanest audio then it's worth a look > at the dedicated devices too. > > Try here (especially see the gear guides): > https://www.macaulaylibrary.org/resources/ > > Personally I prefer to travel with a Marantz pmd 661 recorder and the > pretty standard seinhessier me66 shotgun mic. There's plenty of similar > products to choose from both above and below that price point. Obviously > more cumbersome than a phone but the quality is only beaten by the even > more awkward parabolic setups. > > Best, > Justin Watts > Hennepin > > > On Wed, Jun 9, 2021, 10:54 AM Tom Gilde < > 2247eb7407f6-dmarc-requ...@lists.umn.edu> wrote: > > > If anyone has any suggestions about how to record bird calls, I’d be > > interested. I’ve tried a few times with my old iPhone 6 and the results > > were ok, but certainly could be better. Specific mikes, whether they > would > > have jacks to plug into a phone or camera, any hints would be > appreciated. > > Aside from being enjoyable in their own right, recordings would help me > > distinguish flycatchers and learn some calls. > > > > Tom Gilde > > > > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > > > > During the pandemic, the MOU encourages you to stay safe, practice social > > distancing, and continue to bird responsibly. > > > > > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > > During the pandemic, the MOU encourages you to stay safe, practice social > distancing, and continue to bird responsibly. > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html During the pandemic, the MOU encourages you to stay safe, practice social distancing, and continue to bird responsibly.
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Re: [mou-net] Recording calls
Terrific - thanks very much, Justin! Tom > On Jun 9, 2021, at 11:49 AM, Justin Watts wrote: > > Hi Tom, > > Lots of relevant info on this published by macaulay library, xeno canto, > wildlife recording society, audubon, and others. > > Although it sounds like your looking for a quick and easy microphone to use > with your phone (and that is certainly an option), those products generally > have quite a lot of noise unless you're very close. Cell phone setups can > work if identifiable and louder recordings are your goal, but if you also > wonder about what it takes to get the cleanest audio then it's worth a look > at the dedicated devices too. > > Try here (especially see the gear guides): > https://www.macaulaylibrary.org/resources/ > > Personally I prefer to travel with a Marantz pmd 661 recorder and the > pretty standard seinhessier me66 shotgun mic. There's plenty of similar > products to choose from both above and below that price point. Obviously > more cumbersome than a phone but the quality is only beaten by the even > more awkward parabolic setups. > > Best, > Justin Watts > Hennepin > > >> On Wed, Jun 9, 2021, 10:54 AM Tom Gilde < >> 2247eb7407f6-dmarc-requ...@lists.umn.edu> wrote: >> >> If anyone has any suggestions about how to record bird calls, I’d be >> interested. I’ve tried a few times with my old iPhone 6 and the results >> were ok, but certainly could be better. Specific mikes, whether they would >> have jacks to plug into a phone or camera, any hints would be appreciated. >> Aside from being enjoyable in their own right, recordings would help me >> distinguish flycatchers and learn some calls. >> >> Tom Gilde >> >> Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net >> Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html >> >> During the pandemic, the MOU encourages you to stay safe, practice social >> distancing, and continue to bird responsibly. >> > > > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > > During the pandemic, the MOU encourages you to stay safe, practice social > distancing, and continue to bird responsibly. Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html During the pandemic, the MOU encourages you to stay safe, practice social distancing, and continue to bird responsibly.
Re: [mou-net] Recording calls
Hi Tom, Lots of relevant info on this published by macaulay library, xeno canto, wildlife recording society, audubon, and others. Although it sounds like your looking for a quick and easy microphone to use with your phone (and that is certainly an option), those products generally have quite a lot of noise unless you're very close. Cell phone setups can work if identifiable and louder recordings are your goal, but if you also wonder about what it takes to get the cleanest audio then it's worth a look at the dedicated devices too. Try here (especially see the gear guides): https://www.macaulaylibrary.org/resources/ Personally I prefer to travel with a Marantz pmd 661 recorder and the pretty standard seinhessier me66 shotgun mic. There's plenty of similar products to choose from both above and below that price point. Obviously more cumbersome than a phone but the quality is only beaten by the even more awkward parabolic setups. Best, Justin Watts Hennepin On Wed, Jun 9, 2021, 10:54 AM Tom Gilde < 2247eb7407f6-dmarc-requ...@lists.umn.edu> wrote: > If anyone has any suggestions about how to record bird calls, I’d be > interested. I’ve tried a few times with my old iPhone 6 and the results > were ok, but certainly could be better. Specific mikes, whether they would > have jacks to plug into a phone or camera, any hints would be appreciated. > Aside from being enjoyable in their own right, recordings would help me > distinguish flycatchers and learn some calls. > > Tom Gilde > > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > > During the pandemic, the MOU encourages you to stay safe, practice social > distancing, and continue to bird responsibly. > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html During the pandemic, the MOU encourages you to stay safe, practice social distancing, and continue to bird responsibly.
[mou-net] Recording calls
If anyone has any suggestions about how to record bird calls, I’d be interested. I’ve tried a few times with my old iPhone 6 and the results were ok, but certainly could be better. Specific mikes, whether they would have jacks to plug into a phone or camera, any hints would be appreciated. Aside from being enjoyable in their own right, recordings would help me distinguish flycatchers and learn some calls. Tom Gilde Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html During the pandemic, the MOU encourages you to stay safe, practice social distancing, and continue to bird responsibly.
