Re: [mou-net] I'm not disputing the ID, but...

2010-11-20 Thread Steve Weston

A little more for consideration:

Habitat:  This bird is hanging around in a conifer, typical of a Chipper. 
While I have found Tree Sparrows in conifers, they are more typically brush 
birds, often in high grass.


Behavior:  This bird is hanging around in one area and since it is near a 
house with a birder, it is near a feeder.   I find tree sparrows to be 
highly nomadic and not feeder bums.  And, this time of year, I believe that 
it would be as unusual to find a single Tree Sparrow, as a single Chipper, 
perhaps, even more unusual.


Steve Weston on Quiggley Lake in Eagan, MN

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Subject: [mou-net] I'm not disputing the ID, but...


I don't think the ID of the Bloomington Chipping Sparrow is as 
straightforward as some of the comments have implied.  Specifically:
 a.. Every photo that shows the breast shows a central spot.  It's not 
well-defined, but it's not just an artifact of how the feathers are spread.
 b.. In the photo at 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/54582...@n02/5172266613/in/photostream/, I see 
a bi-colored bill, not an all yellowish bill.  The lower mandible is 
definitely light in color, but the upper looks dark.  In the the photo at 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/54582...@n02/5192733225/sizes/l/in/photostream/, 
the bill looks dark.
 c.. At 
http://ohiogeologyandbiodiversity.blogspot.com/2009/01/chipping-sparrow-endures-ohio-winter.html 
there are photos of a Chipping Sparrow in Ohio in January.  That bird has a 
two-toned bill.  The photographer notes that as an important field mark of 
Chipping Sparrow.
 d.. In the Bloomington photos, I don't see a well-defined brown cheek 
patch as on the Ohio bird.  Could that be due to a difference in age or 
gender?  Or has the Bloomington bird not yet molted into full winter 
plumage?
 e.. To me, the most Chippie-like field mark on the Bloomington bird is the 
apparently black eye line (not rusty as in American Tree Sparrow), including 
the dark lore, in the photo at 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/54582...@n02/5192733225/sizes/l/in/photostream/.
Again, I'm not challenging the ID, but for this birder there's plenty of 
room for confusion here.


Julian
St. Paul


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[mou-net] I'm not disputing the ID, but...

2010-11-20 Thread Julian Sellers
I don't think the ID of the Bloomington Chipping Sparrow is as straightforward 
as some of the comments have implied.  Specifically:
  a.. Every photo that shows the breast shows a central spot.  It's not 
well-defined, but it's not just an artifact of how the feathers are spread. 
  b.. In the photo at 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/54582...@n02/5172266613/in/photostream/, I see a 
bi-colored bill, not an all yellowish bill.  The lower mandible is definitely 
light in color, but the upper looks dark.  In the the photo at 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/54582...@n02/5192733225/sizes/l/in/photostream/, 
the bill looks dark. 
  c.. At 
http://ohiogeologyandbiodiversity.blogspot.com/2009/01/chipping-sparrow-endures-ohio-winter.html
 there are photos of a Chipping Sparrow in Ohio in January.  That bird has a 
two-toned bill.  The photographer notes that as an important field mark of 
Chipping Sparrow. 
  d.. In the Bloomington photos, I don't see a well-defined brown cheek patch 
as on the Ohio bird.  Could that be due to a difference in age or gender?  Or 
has the Bloomington bird not yet molted into full winter plumage? 
  e.. To me, the most Chippie-like field mark on the Bloomington bird is the 
apparently black eye line (not rusty as in American Tree Sparrow), including 
the dark lore, in the photo at 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/54582...@n02/5192733225/sizes/l/in/photostream/.
Again, I'm not challenging the ID, but for this birder there's plenty of room 
for confusion here.

Julian
St. Paul


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