Re: Contribute to Mozilla Doc Proj

2004-01-06 Thread Gervase Markham
Clover wrote:

k, xmas is over. Do you have anything yet to show us?
Richard: I'm sure this wasn't meant to be as rude as it sounds :-)

Daniel: You need to be careful; the above sentence sounds excessively 
demanding in English.

Gerv

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Re: Contribute to Mozilla Doc Proj

2004-01-05 Thread Clover
Richard Fleming wrote:
Richard Fleming wrote:

Greetings to all.  I'd like to contribute to the documentation
project of Mozilla.
I haven't heard anything from anyone in regards to me contributing to 
Mozilla Docs project.  Does this mean that noone is interested, or is it 
because I had the .dot. in my email address to prevent the contamination 
of my email?
k, xmas is over. Do you have anything yet to show us?

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Re: Contribute to Mozilla Doc Proj

2003-12-29 Thread Christian Biesinger
Richard Fleming wrote:
I don't know if mozilla has a marketing dept., but if so, the two would 
have to work together on issues of trademarks, and other corporate 
branding issues.
Yes, since recently... see http://www.mozilla.org/projects/marketing/
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Re: Contribute to Mozilla Doc Proj

2003-12-29 Thread Simon Paquet
Richard Fleming wrote:

>> Most contributions would probably be welcomed, but if you 
>> want to help, you're going to have to be very much 
>> "self-starting" (also self-managing, and you'll have to 
>> prompt people to review/use your documentation). What kind 
>> of documentation do you want to write?  Were you thinking 
>> of code documentation? Writing for the Mozilla user help 
>> system? Check bugzilla for bugs in the documentation area 
>> and see if you could help with any of them.
>
> Well, I've also received an email from the owner of the Help 
> Systems module. It appears that there are no documentation 
> writers for Mozilla. All of them once working for Netscape, 
> but no longer. Sad really.
>
> What I was hoping to contribute to was the core user 
> documentation for Mozilla. Since light has been shed that 
> there are no tech writers of any kind (at least on Mozilla), 
> depending on the situation it might appear that a 
> documentation module would have to be started up to address 
> all of the documentation issues for all of the mozilla.org 
> products.

There is a documentation module (at least in bugzilla). You may 
want to take a look at
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=Documentation&bug_status=unconfirmed,new,assigned,reopened

Grab yourself a few and work on them :-)

> A core documentation team is created.  Their responsibility 
> is for creating style sheets, keeping glossaries of terms, 
> and in general things that are common across all platforms 
> and all product streams.
>
> Using these guidelines created by the core group, individual 
> product streams emerge for released versions of Camino, 
> Mozilla, Firebird, Thunderbird, etc.  This way, all 
> documentation has the same look, the same feel as the rest, 
> making it easier for sys admins, and end users alike to read 
> the different product docs.

In my experience with a volunteer projects it is probably best 
to work on a prototype first and then ask others for help and 
contributions. Without that people will focus too much on 
administrative stuff instead of real documentation.

> I don't know if mozilla has a marketing dept., but if so, the 
> two would have to work together on issues of trademarks, and 
> other corporate branding issues.

Yes, we have a marketing module, but as I said before: Work on a  
prototype first and then talk with some marketing people. It will 
help you focus on the real important tasks first.


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Re: Contribute to Mozilla Doc Proj

2003-12-27 Thread Richard Fleming
Michael Lefevre wrote:

Most contributions would probably be welcomed, but if you want to help,
you're going to have to be very much "self-starting" (also self-managing,
and you'll have to prompt people to review/use your documentation).  What
kind of documentation do you want to write?  Were you thinking of code
documentation? Writing for the Mozilla user help system?  Check bugzilla
for bugs in the documentation area and see if you could help with any of
them.
Well, I've also received an email from the owner of the Help Systems 
module.  It appears that there are no documentation writers for Mozilla. 
 All of them once working for Netscape, but no longer.  Sad really.

What I was hoping to contribute to was the core user documentation for 
Mozilla.  Yes, it's a web browswer, and how hard can it be to use one. 
Being a Sr. Systems Admin for the past few years, I've come to learn 
that some people find browsers incredibly hard to use.

Since light has been shed that there are no tech writers of any kind (at 
least on Mozilla), depending on the situation it might appear that a 
documentation module would have to be started up to address all of the 
documentation issues for all of the mozilla.org products.  Hear me out, 
some of you that are more senior, please feel free to correct any lapses 
in judgement, etc.

A core documentation team is created.  Their responsibility is for 
creating style sheets, keeping glossaries of terms, and in general 
things that are common across all platforms and all product streams.

Using these guidelines created by the core group, individual product 
streams emerge for released versions of Camino, Mozilla, Firebird, 
Thunderbird, etc.  This way, all documentation has the same look, the 
same feel as the rest, making it easier for sys admins, and end users 
alike to read the different product docs.

I don't know if mozilla has a marketing dept., but if so, the two would 
have to work together on issues of trademarks, and other corporate 
branding issues.

I'm willing to take on this beast o' burden if anyone else is willing to 
help. :)

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Re: Contribute to Mozilla Doc Proj

2003-12-27 Thread Michael Lefevre
On 2003-12-27, Robert M. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Richard Fleming
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>>I haven't heard anything from anyone in regards to me contributing to 
>>Mozilla Docs project.  Does this mean that noone is interested, or is it 
>>because I had the .dot. in my email address to prevent the contamination 
>>of my email?
>
> I've tried to ask how to contribute, too. Apparently, nobody knows. :-)

Most contributions would probably be welcomed, but if you want to help,
you're going to have to be very much "self-starting" (also self-managing,
and you'll have to prompt people to review/use your documentation).  What
kind of documentation do you want to write?  Were you thinking of code
documentation? Writing for the Mozilla user help system?  Check bugzilla
for bugs in the documentation area and see if you could help with any of
them.

Also, it's only been a couple of days that Richard's post has been waiting
for a response, and in a holiday period.  You might get a response after a
while, but don't hold your breath - Mozilla doesn't have the resources to
actively manage stuff like this. Any "management" is done by volunteers
like yourselves...

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Re: Contribute to Mozilla Doc Proj

2003-12-27 Thread Robert M.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Richard Fleming
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>I haven't heard anything from anyone in regards to me contributing to 
>Mozilla Docs project.  Does this mean that noone is interested, or is it 
>because I had the .dot. in my email address to prevent the contamination 
>of my email?

I've tried to ask how to contribute, too. Apparently, nobody knows. :-)

(Although in the past it was largely Netscape documents that were
Mozilla-ified...)

-- Robert M.
E-mail from most addresses is blocked (but that is my real address )
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Re: Contribute to Mozilla Doc Proj

2003-12-27 Thread Richard Fleming
Richard Fleming wrote:
Greetings to all.  I'd like to contribute to the documentation
project of Mozilla.
I haven't heard anything from anyone in regards to me contributing to 
Mozilla Docs project.  Does this mean that noone is interested, or is it 
because I had the .dot. in my email address to prevent the contamination 
of my email?

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Re: Contribute to Mozilla Doc Proj

2003-12-27 Thread Richard Fleming
Richard Fleming wrote:
Greetings to all.  I'd like to contribute to the documentation
project of Mozilla.
I haven't heard anything from anyone in regards to me contributing to 
Mozilla Docs project.  Does this mean that noone is interested, or is it 
because I had the .dot. in my email address to prevent the contamination 
of my email?

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Richard Fleming
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