RE: [Mpls] Strib Sport Section
There may be days when there is no female face in the photos, but those days are rare! And even rarer is the absence of any reporting about women's sports. Don’t know about the NY TIMES. But the STRIB list scores/results everyday for every sport that reports. Tennis counts. And given recent editions of the STRIB, so does lacrosse, cycling, track, golf, softball, basketball, ice skating, swimming, hockey, and soccer. Jim Bernstein Fulton -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Deborah Morse-Kahn Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 5:21 PM To: Jim Bernstein; mpls@mnforum.org Subject: Re: [Mpls] Strib Sport Section Jim Bernstein wrote: >Not fair and not true! You would have to go back some years now to find a STRIB sports section that literally fits your description. The STRIB has done a remarkable job of substantially increasing its coverage of women's sports. > Ah, myth and reality! My favorite! ;^) There is no question that the Strib, PP and others are doing a better job of it. But, I promise you, if the Gopher women's basketball team is no longer playing, women ain't showing. I can, several days a week, page front to back in the sports section---jeepers, what a glutton for punishment I am!--and find nary a female face in the photographs, and hardly any mention of women in the score listings. Unless its tennis. And the New York Times? I don't punish myself anymore. I skip it. Oh by the way, what's this news I hear that Title IX is now restrained by the Bush Administration? Was that a social echo I hear? Cheers all! - Deborah in Linden Hills REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.2 - Release Date: 5/2/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.2 - Release Date: 5/2/2005 REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] reaction to Jason Stone
Jason, I was taken back by your sarcasm. I have been in the role of a challenger. I too had to wade into papers and research to answer questions. I did not expect the incumbent to provide my materials. I researched the issues using available public record and information I found in Board (City Council) reports etc. I even asked other incumbents to explain materials. Before I ran, I had ten years of neighborhood and appointed Board experience. I was able to use my experiences to actually develop the positions on issues. I know having actual experience is old fashioned to many in our community. However, this provided a depth of knowledge I needed to research the issues. I would urge you to build on your experiences. Contact other Board members and experts in the community. Tony Scallon Longfellow REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Library Book Waste Redux
- Original Message - From: "Dorie Rae Gallagher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [Mpls] Library Book Waste Redux Chris writes with such logic.. If a book doesn't sell at a book sale, then it should be given away. Like I mentioned in the article, if they have a shelf in the entryway with a FREE BOOKS sign, they could probably have given away the books quickly with very little hassle. Anytime there are too many books... please go to...www.betterworldbooks.com They will sell the books online and donate the money to Books for Africa. Or give the book directly to Books for Africa. Does a child or an adult in South Africa really care if the book did not sell at a discounted price at the Friends. GIVE THE BOOK AWAY! I take books and give them to the food shelves, churches, community centers for children and will take any extra child's book available. There is another great organization in town that drops free books off here and there with the idea that someone will pick it up and read it...www.BookCrossing .com It would take about the same amount of work to put up a table with a FREE sign..as it would be to haul them out to the dumpster. Junior League just had a big book drive...call them to find out when their next one will be and give them the books. Books as landfill...that doesn't sound like Minneapolis nice... Dorie Rae Gallagher Nokomis REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract _d___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] neiman complex and the twins
Great idea if the city or the MPRB actually owned the land. Most of it is leased at quite a price from the DNR. And keep in mind the bleachers for 40,000 need to be easily removable as that is a restriction due to the "historic property" lawsuit. Gonna have to sell alot of hot dogs to pay off the $14,000,000.00 owed on the bonds. Liz Wielinski Columbia Park REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] neiman complex and the twins
I would take an evening there over an evening at the Hump any chance I could get. Now bleachers for 40,000 might prove a stretch, but what the hell? Jon GorderCathedral Hill - > Perhaps we should donate some of the Neiman land > that the city already owns to the Twins...save $84 > million in land acquistion, we would not have to do > financing so save another 34 million, all the roads > are new out in the area, light rail stops close by, > lights and > the 3 bases and home are already there so save > another 235 million...Mr. Pohlad could take his 125 > million and purchase some bleachers if he wants > people to come, some fencing with a few cute > director chairs for the box seats and some tarps for > rain. Let the players have their open air ball > playing that they want so badly..rain or shine...the > city would get naming rights, make 56 million and > with a few hot dog kiosks...make more than enough > money to pay off the liens and save about 400 > millionoh well, it was just a thought as I > crossed the empty fields:=} > > Dorie Rae Gallagher > Nokomis > REMINDERS: > 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at > http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a > member is in violation, contact the list manager at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. > > 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. > > For state and national discussions see: > http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html > For external forums, see: > http://e-democracy.org/mninteract > > > Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused > Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy > Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org > Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: > http://e-democracy.org/mpls > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] neiman complex and the twins
This evening driving by Bossen, all the fields were full with players so it piqued my interest in Neiman Sports Complex...no one except one guy kicking a soccer ball. Perhaps we should donate some of the Neiman land that the city already owns to the Twins...save $84 million in land acquistion, we would not have to do financing so save another 34 million, all the roads are new out in the area, light rail stops close by, lights and the 3 bases and home are already there so save another 235 million...Mr. Pohlad could take his 125 million and purchase some bleachers if he wants people to come, some fencing with a few cute director chairs for the box seats and some tarps for rain. Let the players have their open air ball playing that they want so badly..rain or shine...the city would get naming rights, make 56 million and with a few hot dog kiosks...make more than enough money to pay off the liens and save about 400 millionoh well, it was just a thought as I crossed the empty fields:=} Dorie Rae Gallagher Nokomis REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Whopper posts and AOL problems
Couple of housekeeping notes... We are getting some very large posts lately - more than 10kb Unix, which is a lot. PLEASE try to keep your thoughts under 10kb - believe me, you'll have more than enough room. You can break your post into two if you want (though both count against the two-per-day limit). One way to make sure you're using your bytes efficiently is to make sure you're sending in PLAIN TEXT. This is free of all fancy formatting (like HTML) that makes for larger e-mails. Also, PLEASE delete the earlier posts in a thread unless you're quoting from them in the body of YOUR e-mail - it's also considerate of digest readers who don't need to see stuff repeated. If you want a personal guide to how big messages should be, make sure the "size" column is visible on your e-mail reader. Almost all posts are ok, so you should be able to glean the upper end. (Different e-mail programs read message size differently.) Big messages are bounced back to the senders with instructions for re-sending. On the AOL front, there's a virus that is causing AOL's servers to bounce back list messages. On the off chance AOL account holders can read this, I'm trying to restore things on our side, but it may take a few days. David Brauer List manager REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Library Book Waste Redux
Thanks to all of you who emailed me your thoughts on the library books in the dumpster story. My point in the story is not to say that libraries necessarily need to keep books forever, but that they ought to make sure people can use them later. If a book doesn't sell at a book sale, then it should be given away. Like I mentioned in the article, if they have a shelf in the entryway with a FREE BOOKS sign, they could probably have given away the books quickly with very little hassle. Also, I'd think that a book that was tossed out because it failed to sell at the Friend's Bookstore would end up at a dumpster at Washburn Library or Central Library Marquette, where the stores are located, not at Northeast Library. And to the person who wanted to know if our site is staffed by "journalists", the answer is no. We do news and opinion, much like a blog, but without the ugly page design. And in America, you can post whatever views you want. Anyhow, I wanted to get this story out right away in the hopes of making sure it doesn't happen again--so if you work for the library and want to justify your actions, you can email me and I'll add it to the story. Chris David Columbia Park http://www.southhighsucks.com/ REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Neiman Complex decisions before my time
That probably came across as overly sarcastic, and I apologize in advance. I was taken aback by being given a stack of meeting agendas, which is tantamount to being sent on a wild goose chase. Regards, Jason Stone Diamond Lake --- Jason C Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The 6-inch thick stack of meeting agendas that Commissioner Kummer dropped > off at my home makes > an > excellent doorstop. > > Regards, > Jason Stone > Diamond Lake > Candidate for Park District 5 > > --- CAROL KUMMER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I was not on the Park Board during the initiation of the Ft. > > Snelling/Neiman Complex and so, although I have tried to supply Mr. > > Stone with the information he seeks, I am unable to answer all questions > > to his satisfaction. So, I dropped a packet of documents at his home > > this evening. It contains a copy of the Tin Fish contract and copies of > > MPRB meeting agendas for the time period that covers development of the > > Fort Snelling/Neiman Complex (beginning in 1998 through April 2003.) If > > he will make a list of the committee actions that he is interested in > > and then e-mail it to Superintendent Gurban, the Superintendent will > > have the items copied and sent. This seems to be the best way for Mr. > > Stone to get what he wants regarding the Complex. > > REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] McManus & Stifling the discourse in Mpls
With the advances in digitial video cameras, my requested interview with Chief McManus about homelessness in Mpls would take 15 minutesnot much out his day. So, the time factor for refusing an interview seems a weak argument. The refusal for my request for an interview was given so quickly I did not have the opportunity to let the Chief's office know the following: 1. I will give the Chief a list of questions he can pre-approve--- I am not into suprising people I interview. 2. I promise I will not debate the chief-- again, I don't like doing that when I interview...I want to let the person speak for themselves, not have to defend themselves. 3. I really want to hear what the chief of police feels, thinks, plans to do to improve police interactions with persons experiencing homelessness. To refuse to have such a discourse seems insensitive to the issue. Here are the questions I would ask the Chief: 1. What is his understanding of the issues faced by persons experiencing homelessness in Mpls? What are the issues they face in dealing with Mpls Police? 2. What does he believe the police are doing well in interactions with persons experiencing homelessness/what does the chief see as room for improvement? See, two very straightforward and honest questions...no tricks...no suprises. What I have found in interviewing people is that they often have much more to say then I have asked them... Perhaps this will be the case with the chief. I prefer to not have to go to public forums where the Chief might be to try to get the answer to the above questions. What so many public figures don't seem to understand is that the dynamic they create by trying to avoid dialogue are unnecessary. I think 15 minutes is a reasonable request and I think this is an important issue. I was pleased when McManus was hired...I had heard that he was committed to respect for all of our residentseven those living homeless. Margaret Hastings Kingfield REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Strib Sport Section
Jim Bernstein wrote: Not fair and not true! You would have to go back some years now to find a STRIB sports section that literally fits your description. The STRIB has done a remarkable job of substantially increasing its coverage of women's sports. Ah, myth and reality! My favorite! ;^) There is no question that the Strib, PP and others are doing a better job of it. But, I promise you, if the Gopher women's basketball team is no longer playing, women ain't showing. I can, several days a week, page front to back in the sports section---jeepers, what a glutton for punishment I am!--and find nary a female face in the photographs, and hardly any mention of women in the score listings. Unless its tennis. And the New York Times? I don't punish myself anymore. I skip it. Oh by the way, what's this news I hear that Title IX is now restrained by the Bush Administration? Was that a social echo I hear? Cheers all! - Deborah in Linden Hills REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Re: stadium
This seems relevant to the discussion. http://www.reason.com/0505/fe.mw.subsidies.shtml REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] outdoor baseball is medicinal
In our fast paced world we need a place and a time to kick back and relax, baseball provides that. Its nice to forget about your car payment, your leaky roof, or office politics. Baseball is a pause in the middle of a marathon. You can sit with family and friends and talk (or not talk) and look out on a sea of green, without a clock. It is non-violent and exciting, it is clean family fun. There are no nasty politics in baseball, except for rowdy mascots maybe, all of that negativity gets checked at the door. Its like religion, without the guilt. Its a civilizing influence. They even feed you hot dogs and beer! Its a picnic without the ants. Baseball is a release from this crazy, hectic world we live in. We can switch off and recharge. Baseball is a little bit zen, a little bit cracker jacks, and all American. Outdoor baseball provides intangible benefits. I don't justify wanting baseball because it provides us with revenue, I justify it because it is good for us, good for the soul, its medicinal. I think we need baseball for our civic health. Is that worth $360 million or is it worth $.0015 for every dollar? I don't know, it seems like a lot of money on the one hand, but it seems incredibly cheap on the other. But then again, how much is a moment of peaceful contemplation worth? Its true we are carrying the burden for this stadium proposal disproportionately on Hennepin County. But doing this would be a magnanimous gesture, a gesture of civility and goodwill toward the entire state, and also give us special status. As far as the owner making money off of this, if we do this, it will be his civic duty to make baseball work for the long term, that is a big responsibility, and it will cost a lot of money. If he takes the money and runs, which is his choice, he will be in the company of people like Norm Green. That would be a sin. God will punish him. Peter Vevang Audubon REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] Strib Sport Section
Not fair and not true! You would have to go back some years now to find a STRIB sports section that literally fits your description. The STRIB has done a remarkable job of substantially increasing its coverage of women's sports. It is true that in the foreseeable future coverage of women's sport will not equal that of men's sports. That is largely due to the enormous coverage of the Twins, Vikings, Timberwolves, and Wild which simply reflects what the public wants and expects. Coverage of the Gophers women's program - especially the successful basketball, volleyball, and hockey programs has grown sevenfold in the last 1o years. Coverage of women's athletics at the high school level has also increased substantially in that same period. Professional women's sports like tennis and golf are well covered. Coverage of the Lynx is sometimes uneven although the WNBA itself must share some of that blame. I suspect that had the WNBA used territorial drafts to boost local interest in their teams so that players like Lindsey Whalen and Janel McCarville were wearing Lynx uniforms rather that Connecticut and Charlotte, coverage of the Lynx would expand greatly to match the heightened interest and attendance. I have booed the STRIB when they deserve it, but in this case they deserve a round of cheers! Jim Bernstein Fulton -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Deborah Morse-Kahn Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 12:22 PM To: mpls@mnforum.org Subject: [Mpls] Strib Sport Section WizardMarks wrote: That's a shame. I think of the jokes as my reward for having waded through the news. Deb sez: Imagine, then, how women feel if they *do* read the Strib Sports Section to go front to back through some ten pages and not see a single woman pictured or mentioned at all. ;^) Deborah in Linden Hills REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.2 - Release Date: 5/2/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.2 - Release Date: 5/2/2005 REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Libraries and Collections
Sounds Great!! Now tell us how you are going to manage a library system that was built on a funding system that no longer exists and is unlikely coming back. Dean E. Carlson Ward 10, East Harriet - Original Message - From: Samantha Smart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tuesday, May 3, 2005 3:12 pm Subject: [Mpls] Libraries and Collections > Hello to the list and allow me to introduce myself as a new > contributor - I am Samantha Smart and an independent candidate for > the Minneapolis Library Board, vigorously challenging the recent > practices of the Board. > > I would like to respond to the book-dumping issue: A community- > minded and savvy lover of books would know that there are several > places for "unwanted" books: > > The Women's Prison Book Project collects paper back books and > sends them to women in prison. > Books for Africa sends book to the mother land. > The BAT Annex Free Skool has a resource libraryin short, there > are many options to avoid a terrible waste such as this! > > In addition, I would like to agree with Wizard and say that the > acquisitions policy bears looking into - I have tried to get the > Mpls Library to acquire new work by local women writers of color > and have been rebuffed with the response that it would be "too > academic" for Minneapolis. As part of my role on the Board, I > will look into the procedure for Collections and Acquisitions and > make sure that the work of oppressed communities takes a priority > role. > Samantha Smart > Nokomis > > Samantha Smart > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Samantha Smart for Minneapolis Library Board > Smart Libraries are OPEN Libraries! > REMINDERS: > 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e- > democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, > contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it > on the list. > > 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. > > For state and national discussions see: http://e- > democracy.org/discuss.htmlFor external forums, see: http://e- > democracy.org/mninteract > > Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - > Mn E-Democracy > Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org > Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls > REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] McManus says no to filmed interview
yes, it has been reaffirmed to me that I am indeed one of the little people... Chief McManus's office called to let me know he will not do a filmed interview with me for my next film on the treatment of persons experiencng homelessness in Mpls. I was told he is not doing any interviews on the panhandling issue or homelessnessI was told the Chief said "he said what he had to say to the newspaper and that is all he is going to say." stay tuned, margaret hastings Kingfield REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Libraries and Collections
Hello to the list and allow me to introduce myself as a new contributor - I am Samantha Smart and an independent candidate for the Minneapolis Library Board, vigorously challenging the recent practices of the Board. I would like to respond to the book-dumping issue: A community-minded and savvy lover of books would know that there are several places for "unwanted" books: The Women's Prison Book Project collects paper back books and sends them to women in prison. Books for Africa sends book to the mother land. The BAT Annex Free Skool has a resource libraryin short, there are many options to avoid a terrible waste such as this! In addition, I would like to agree with Wizard and say that the acquisitions policy bears looking into - I have tried to get the Mpls Library to acquire new work by local women writers of color and have been rebuffed with the response that it would be "too academic" for Minneapolis. As part of my role on the Board, I will look into the procedure for Collections and Acquisitions and make sure that the work of oppressed communities takes a priority role. Samantha Smart Nokomis Samantha Smart [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Samantha Smart for Minneapolis Library Board Smart Libraries are OPEN Libraries! REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Neiman Complex decisions before my time
The 6-inch thick stack of meeting agendas that Commissioner Kummer dropped off at my home makes an excellent doorstop. Regards, Jason Stone Diamond Lake Candidate for Park District 5 --- CAROL KUMMER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was not on the Park Board during the initiation of the Ft. > Snelling/Neiman Complex and so, although I have tried to supply Mr. > Stone with the information he seeks, I am unable to answer all questions > to his satisfaction. So, I dropped a packet of documents at his home > this evening. It contains a copy of the Tin Fish contract and copies of > MPRB meeting agendas for the time period that covers development of the > Fort Snelling/Neiman Complex (beginning in 1998 through April 2003.) If > he will make a list of the committee actions that he is interested in > and then e-mail it to Superintendent Gurban, the Superintendent will > have the items copied and sent. This seems to be the best way for Mr. > Stone to get what he wants regarding the Complex. REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] DFL Candidates for endorsement
Emma Riese asked about a tidy list of DFL candidates seeking endorsement. Nothing particularly tidy..a variety of line ups: >From the Observer _http://www.mplsobserver.com/news.php?action=fullnews&id=80_ (http://www.mplsobserver.com/news.php?action=fullnews&id=80) For all candidates, an attempt of a general listing _http://dowire.org/wiki/Mpls2005_ (http://dowire.org/wiki/Mpls2005) The only candidates left for City Convention endorsement are Mayor, Library Board, Park Board and Board of Estimate. Candidates can enter these races any time between now and then. So there might not be a complete listing until candidates are nominated on May 14. All candidates that have raised or spent over $100 should be listed at _http://www16.co.hennepin.mn.us/cfrs/search_ (http://www16.co.hennepin.mn.us/cfrs/search) (I have listened to all the speeches of the announced hopefuls at ward conventions.) Hope this helps, Scott Vreeland Seward REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Mayor and City Council Candidates Website and E-mail - Draft 1.0
Members of the Minneapolis Issues Forum and anyone else stumbling upon this web page http://www.dowire.org/wiki/Mpls2005 helped compile this draft list of candidate contact information. The collaborative effort was amazing. The website has many more fields, but here is a simple alphabetical listing of the Mayoral and City Council candidates on whom information has been submitted. If you or a candidate you support is NOT listed, then add yourself right now: http://www.dowire.org/wiki/Mpls2005 This "master" list will move to the http://E-Democracy.Org/mpls site when it is finished AND be shared with any publication, web site, etc. that want to use it so the voters of Minneapolis can gain access to detailed election and campaign information early in the process. Campaigns (or supporters) must enter their own data or it won't exist. The Park, Library, and Estimation board listings will be shared later this week on the Mpls list. Steven Clift E-Democracy.Org P.S. Candidates and anyone working on an election information site are highly encouraged to use blogs and RSS - then we can create an automatic one-stop site with daily headlines from all the campaigns. So get wired! ?'s see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weblog From: http://www.dowire.org/wiki/Mpls2005 As of 3 May 2005 Mayor Farheen Hakeem Party: Green E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.hakeemformayor.org Peter McLaughlin Party: DFL E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.petermclaughlin.org R.T. Rybak Party: DFL E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.rtrybak.com Blog: http://rtrybak.typepad.com/my_weblog RSS: http://rtrybak.typepad.com/my_weblog/index.rdf City Council City Council Ward 1 Paul Ostrow Party: DFL E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.paulostrow.com More? Add them: http://www.dowire.org/wiki/Mpls2005 ** City Council Ward 2 Cam Gordon Party: Green Party E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://camgordon.org Candidate Name: Cara Letofsky Party: DFL E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.votecara.com ** City Council Ward 3 Candidate Name: Aaron Neumann Party: Green Party of Minnesota E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.VoteNeumann.org Blogs: http://www.MySpace.com/AaronNeumann http://www.OurWarAtHome.blogspot.com http://aaronneumann.blogs.friendster.com/my_blog More? Add them: http://www.dowire.org/wiki/Mpls2005 ** City Council Ward 4 None submitted. More? Add them: http://www.dowire.org/wiki/Mpls2005 ** City Council Ward 5 Candidate Name: Natalie Johnson Lee Party: Green Party E-mail: Web: http://www.nataliejohnsonlee.com Candidate Name: Don Samuels Party: DFL E-mail: Web: http://www.donsamuels.org ** City Council Ward 6 Candidate Name: Robert Lilligren Party: DFL E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.voterobert.com Candidate Name: Dean Zimmermann Party: Green E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.VoteDeanZimmermann.org ** City Council Ward 7 Candidate Name: Lisa Goodman Party: DFL E-mail: n/a Web: http:// n/a Candidate Name: Robert W. Halfhill Party: Green Party of Minnesota E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.halfhillviews.greatnow.com ** City Council Ward 8 Candidate Name: Elizabeth Glidden Party: DFL E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.elizabethglidden.com Candidate Name: Marie Hauser Party: DFL E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.mariehauser.org Candidate Name: Jeff Hayden Party: DFL E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.voteforjeff.org Candidate Name: Dennis Tifft Party: DFL E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.liftwithtifft.com Candidate Name: Terry Yzaguirre Party: No party, running as independent E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.terrysnewward.com Blog: http://www.terrysnewward.com/blog ** City Council Ward 9 None submitted. More? Add them: http://www.dowire.org/wiki/Mpls2005 ** City Council Ward 10 Candidate Name: Allan Bernard Party: DFL E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.allanbernard.com Candidate Name: Gay Noble Party: DFL E-mail: Web: http://www.votegaynoble.com Candidate Name: Scott Persons Party:DFL E-mail: Web: http://www.scottpersons.com Candidate Name: Ralph Remington Party: DFL E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.ralphremington.com ** City Council Ward 11 Candidate Name: Scott Benson Party: DFL E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://scottbenson.org More? Add them: http://www.dowire.org/wiki/Mpls2005 ** City Council Ward 12 Candidate Name: Kevin McDonald Party: E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://kevinmcdonald.org Candidate Name: Sandy Colvin Roy Party: DFL Endorsed E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.sandycolvinroy.com ** City Council Ward 13 Candidate Name: Betsy Hodges Party: DFL Endorsed E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.betsyhodges.org Candidate Name: Michael Hohmann Party: No party or organizational affil
Re: [Mpls] Minneapolis Public Library Caught Throwing Books in Dumpster
Without any work confirming this on my end, but based on my past experiences working at a different library (in Madison ,WI) and based on what I've seen in the Hennepin Cty system, they likely had those books for sale for quite a while. When they do that, they are offered at a very significant discount, in most cases, pennies on the dollar. Once they were not sold, their option was to recycle. Could schools have taken those? Perhaps, but even then I suspect there may be some sort of communication between those entities and therefore that was considered. Even if not, people had their chance to buy these. Libraries should not be required to hold books indefinitely. Finally, and frankly out of personal lack of knowledge about the site, are "South High Sucks.com" contributors "journalists"? This is meant to be a serious question not a smart alec sounding comment. Tom Madden Lowry Hill On 5/3/05 1:38 PM, "Leurquin, Ronald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was somewhat disturbed by the amount of books in the photo of the dumpster, > but want to think that the library was doing what was best with those books. > > What also disturbed me is the journalist of this story never made comment of > asking the library why they did it. Tell me the whole story, not just the > part you want to tell me. > > Ron Leurquin > Nokomis East > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Dr. Vinny > Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 9:41 PM > To: mpls@mnforum.org > Subject: [Mpls] Minneapolis Public Library Caught Throwing Books in > Dumpster > > > This weekend I got an email from a website visitor telling me about books in a > dumpster at the NE library. I thought that's interesting, so I checked it out > and ta-da! There were some perfectly good books in the dumpster at the > Minneapolis Public Library Branch on Central Ave. I don't know about you, but > that's pretty wasteful. Anyway, I have a longer story about it and several > photos at > > http://www.southhighsucks.com/minneapolislibrarythrowsoutbooks.html > > Anyway, I just thought people might like to know. It's kind of sick them doing > this, especially since there have been so many budget cuts and things of that > nature. > > Chris David > Columbia Park > http://www.southhighsucks.com/ > REMINDERS: > 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If > you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. > > 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. > > For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html > For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract > > > Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn > E-Democracy > Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org > Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls > REMINDERS: > 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If > you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. > > 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. > > For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html > For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract > > > Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn > E-Democracy > Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org > Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] HERC mercury & dioxin emissions
The MPCA link I posted does not include measurements of the garbage burner's mercury and dioxin pollution, two other critical pollutants fans (and citizens) would want to know about. Publicly available sources exist, though. Google came up with this 2000 MPCA data on the first page: http://www.pca.state.mn.us/publications/reports/mercury- emissionsreport-0304.pdf Interesting tidbits: Hennepin garbage burner mercury emissions 1990: 496 pounds 1995: 45 pounds 2000: 20 pounds (It's mostly the result of advanced technology developed/purchased after the burner violated mercury limits in the late '80s.) For comparison purposes, Xcel Energy's Riverside plant (which hadn't been converted from coal to gas yet), emitted 98 pounds of mercury in 2000, and Xcel's High Bridge Plant - near potential St. Paul stadium sites - emitted 66 pounds. If St. Paul was to be the ballpark site, I doubt the High Bridge Plant's existence would be an issue. Also for comparison: unrecycled fluorescent lamps put about 100 pounds of mercury into Minnesota's environment. However (as is my pattern in this discussion) I concede Justin's point on dioxin, because I haven't been able to easily find data on the burner's dioxin emissions. Still, a 2003 state solid waste report from the Minnesota Office of Environmental Assistance noted that the same technology employed to cut mercury emissions also cuts dioxin releases: "Nationally, mercury emissions have been reduced by 93 percent and dioxin emissions by 99 percent following facility retrofits." I will also resort to that oracle of all information - the Mpls-Issues list - and reprise a 2002 post from Mpls's own Trash Lady, Solid Waste & Recycling Director Susan Young, who wrote: "The typical home fire burns below 900 - 1,000 degrees, and 850 degrees gives us optimal Dioxin formation in the home burner exhaust. The Downtown HERC plant, on the other hand, burns at or in excess of 2200 degrees, and provides complete combustion of organics (with no Dioxin emissions), and with backup air emissions control and testing for the other stuff." Good discussion now, and then. If anyone finds the dioxin info, let the list know. David Brauer Kingfield REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Minneapolis Mayor candidates.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RT Ryback got his present job because its previous holder, Sharon Sayles Belton was pro-stadium and was percieved to be in the pocket of developers who benefited from the city's financing of downtown development projects, gentrification, etc. Perceptions are what they are, but the one who came out of the SSB era with the most "favors" was Rebecca Yanish. She's the one who jumped from the MCDA to Ryan Co. to a US Senate bid. SSB did clearly support building lots of razzmatazz in the loop. Turning the warehouses into lofts and building condos seems clearly designed to bring residents into downtown who will support the built industries from what I've seen and news reports. I'd say the condos and lofts are designed some for the wealthy, some for yuppies, buppies and guppies, and some for empty nesters. These people are probably the same ones who will support a Twins Stadium and they won't have to park. I say this to support the notion that there has been a shift in the demographics, probably begun when Ray Harris did those townhouses just off Loring Park (Green something), if not sooner. It always existed in potential because housing around the loop tends toward lots of very small units, as do those in Loring Heights, Stevens Square, and Elliot Park. That goes back to Fraser as mayor? Maybe further. The bread and butter audience for a stadium is now on-site. Last week's paper did announce someone applying to build a mondo condo land as tall as the IDS or higher. This is not a new phenomenon. The Colliseum in Rome, the balls fields at Palenque, Chitzen Itza, and tons of other sites, Ascot, the original Olympics were all in cities or city states and were built by the slaves/serfs/peons. Did the wealthy then do their fair share? Highly doubtful. They would not have lifted a stone into place, nor hauled from quarries, nor anything else implying sweat. No matter what we assert as the names of the gods, money is always the first among them. WizardMarks, Central Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Mpls] Minneapolis Public Library Caught Throwing Books in Dumspter
Ron Leurquin has it right on this one: always research your story before going public. Recycling books can take several forms: sale, donation, trash. MPL does a very decent job of weeding books out of their system, like most major library systems they have multiple copies of best-sellers--and very old books no one has checked out for 25 years--that they put out for sale in the Friends of the Minneapolis Public Library shops. If those don't sell, MPL will seek a reasonable donation site--children's books to Boys & Girls Clubs, craft books to Senior homes, etc. If the books are declined--particularly when the titles are old or out-of-date for young readers, then the books are destroyed. Since books are not legal documents or private papers, there is no need for a "controlled disposal" so they go out in a dumpster. If you consider exactly how many books you see at yard and garage sales that no one wants, even for a dollar, consider the poor libraries who are often dealing with entire estates dropped on them with a thousand books neither wanted or solicited that may have no relevance to the library's collections policy or may simply be 50 years out of date. When was the last time we weeded our own shelves? ;^) Don't be so hard on the MPL, or the Hennepin County folks, or the UM libraries...they are our front lines of book purchase and preservation (as much as current budgets will allow). Back to my first point: ask questions first, without rancor or agenda, and you will likely get a generous and educating answer to your interest. Deborah Morse-Kahn, Linden Hills Regional Research Associates REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Re: stadium
Clarifying only where necessary. I'll agree this is an ancillary issue, but I also think that the more citizens know about these large point sources the more informed decisions they can make. HERC is unique because it is operated by the county, so it means theoretically people in Minneapolis (who have all of their garbage sent there for incineration) can have some say on what types of activities occur. More can be discussed offline for interested parties, but I did make the distinction of TRI emissions and not "criteria emissions". Toxic Release Inventory figures are different than the figures reported to the MPCA and relate to substances known to cause negative human health effects. For the incinerator the types of substances reported would be compounds like mercury and dioxin. Here is where you can search point facilities' toxic emissions. http://www.epcra.state.mn.us/ I oppose the use of tax revenue for the stadium. If people are willing to pay pennies on the dollar then I think that there are a myriad of other issues that could be addressed first, such as: "Clean energy tax" --$353 million could build enough renewable energy for the City (wind/solar) to offset a coal-fired power plant like Riverside (peaking plant) for good. "Health-care tax" -- could prevent Minneapolis/Hennepin County residents from getting kicked of MN Care or other programs. "Libraries tax" -- could actually keep the libraries in the City open more than 3 days a week. I'm sure others could add to the list (NRP funding for example). After hearing my friend in Charlotte, NC explain to me how their city was left holding the bag once the Hornets left and now (apparently not learning their lesson) they are building a new stadium for the expansion team--Bobcats--with city revenue. The new stadium will open Dec 12th with a U2 concert, the old stadium (< 20 years old) will be sold to a group of investors for demolition. Justin Eibenholzl Armatage From: David Brauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: mpls@mnforum.org Subject: Re: [Mpls] Re: stadium Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 06:56:31 -0500 Giving credit where credit is due... On May 2, 2005, at 2:17 PM, Justin Eibensteiner wrote: Regarding the burner's plume... The basic point of contention is that the studies are theoretical and not empirical. Since none of this work has been done, the public has no way of gauging their exposure based on on any real data. Absolutely right. The only study was modeling done before HERC opened. While I'm not aware of a detailed critique of that modeling, there is no study of actual emission dispersal, so I concede Justin's point and will be more circumspect about future claims of where stuff ends up. If you check with Minneapolis Environmental Management you'll find that the incerator pollution controls fail from time to time (to the point of getting fined significantly), meaning anyone in the vicinity may be getting more bad air then they bargained for on the wrong day. I checked. The last HERC failure was in 1999 - a scrubber failure that lasted less than a day, causing a hydrogen chloride violation. The plant was fined $22,000. Since then - more than six years - no violations or failures. I think the odds are with the fans here. Another bonus for the incinerator is due to the fact they are considered a waste treatment facility they do not have to disclose their emissions to the Toxic Release Inventory--creating even less public transparency. The plant does report emissions, which are publicly available, as noted earlier. I don't think there's anything furtive here. Fundamentally, I think the burner argument is a red herring in this debate. It's easy to fixate on a high-profile point source that probably pumps out less harmful junk than the tailpipes of the cars fans drive to the game - and certainly than a coal-fired plant, of which there are several in the Twin Cities. David Brauer Kingfield REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract __
[Mpls] Balance Sheet: Superintendent Peebles' first year
NEWS ANALYSIS Subheadings: Superintendent doesn't measure up * The grinch who stole recess * The district's credibility gap * Spokesman-Recorder fiddles while schools burn SUPERINTENDENT DOESN'T MEASURE UP Steve Brandt wrote an excellent report about results of the basic skills tests for the Minneapolis Public Schools, Lowest scoring students face test gap in Minneapolis, which appeared in the Star Tribune of Monday April 25, 2005. Brandt writes Full Text at Doug Mann's weblog, Tuesday, 3 May 2005 http://educationright.com/blog -Doug Mann, King Field (8th ward) www.educationright.com REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] Minneapolis Public Library Caught Throwing Books in Dumpster
I was somewhat disturbed by the amount of books in the photo of the dumpster, but want to think that the library was doing what was best with those books. What also disturbed me is the journalist of this story never made comment of asking the library why they did it. Tell me the whole story, not just the part you want to tell me. Ron Leurquin Nokomis East -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dr. Vinny Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 9:41 PM To: mpls@mnforum.org Subject: [Mpls] Minneapolis Public Library Caught Throwing Books in Dumpster This weekend I got an email from a website visitor telling me about books in a dumpster at the NE library. I thought that's interesting, so I checked it out and ta-da! There were some perfectly good books in the dumpster at the Minneapolis Public Library Branch on Central Ave. I don't know about you, but that's pretty wasteful. Anyway, I have a longer story about it and several photos at http://www.southhighsucks.com/minneapolislibrarythrowsoutbooks.html Anyway, I just thought people might like to know. It's kind of sick them doing this, especially since there have been so many budget cuts and things of that nature. Chris David Columbia Park http://www.southhighsucks.com/ REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Minneapolis Public Library Caught Throwing Books in Dumpster
Dr. Vinny wrote:
This weekend I got an email from a website visitor telling me about books in a dumpster at the NE library. I thought that's interesting, so I checked it out and ta-da! There were some perfectly good books in the dumpster at the Minneapolis Public Library Branch on Central Ave. I don't know about you, but that's pretty wasteful. Anyway, I just thought people might like to know. It's kind of sick them doing this, especially since there have been so many budget cuts and things of that nature.
This is why they are called librarians and we are not. If we were to
count every book bought by MPL over time, it becomes immediately obvious
why books get thrown out. The public library and it's branches would
take up all of downtown several stories deep if they did not. Remember
that the library most often buys multiple copies of books. Books for the
popular library are frequently bought at least 14 copies at once. They
do try to sell them, with mixed results. They toss out of date
dictionaries, atlases, auto parts guides, business materials, romances,
who done it's, sci-fi and westerns ("the genres"). They toss out bad
science or old science which has been superseded. Few books in the
popular library holdings are kept if not borrowed for a year. At some
point, a few will become classics (Sherlock Holmes, Agatha Christy,
Freud, Plato, et.al.) and pretty much stay put or be re-issued and
re-acquired.
A rule of thumb I use is that if you can borrow it, it most likely won't
be there forever. Hence Inter Library Loan.
When I've worked in libraries I've tried to beg off work on weed days.
I've been known to dumpster dive for books after some libraries close.
WizardMarks, Central
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Re: [Mpls] Hey Peter! Hey RT! Hey Aaron & Hey Ed!
On Tuesday, May 3, 2005, at 09:37 AM, Elizabeth Wielinski wrote: The map of Hennepin County shows me that there are quite a few "wealthier" suburban communities that fall in its boundaries and I can assure you that the piddling amount of sales tax my family generates will be quite a bit less than families in Maple Grove or Edina. So if we can't fix the entire system maybe we should go with the best deal available we can generate. This may or may not be it. Ah-ha! Protest the stadium proposal by not buying anything taxable. I propose a week-long trial run - to see if anyone would notice. Becca Vargo Daggett Seward REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] dfl candidates?
Hello! I'm looking for a list of all the candidates who will be seeking DFL endorsement at the Mpls City Convention. Ideally it would be tidy, include contact info, and be attractively arranged on silver platter, but whatever you have will be gratefully accepted. Thanks! Emma Riese Seward REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Hey Peter! Hey RT! Hey Aaron & Hey Ed!
Until you have 50 states agree that they will no longer try to outbid each other for pro sports teams by offering to subsidize sports facilities to make their city/state offer a" better quality of life" the entire point is moot. Where there is competition there will be sweeteners in every deal. That is why charter schools and privates schools exist... they offer something "better" though depending on the family and most importantly the student "better" is a relative term. The map of Hennepin County shows me that there are quite a few "wealthier" suburban communities that fall in its boundaries and I can assure you that the piddling amount of sales tax my family generates will be quite a bit less than families in Maple Grove or Edina. So if we can't fix the entire system maybe we should go with the best deal available we can generate. This may or may not be it. Liz Wielinski Columbia Park REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Re: Minneapolis Mayor candidates (& the stadium plan).
According to today's Strib, page 1 of the metro section, RT Rybak now supports the County Board's plan for a Twins stadium. (Rybak is no longer a waffler on the stadium issue). Corrections: I misspelled the mayor's name in my last post, [mpls] Minneapolis Mayor candidates. And the final paragraph of that post should read Fair play in the employment and housing market is in the best interests of a majority of Minneapolis residents who have to work for a living. Unfortunately, the people who write the big checks write them for mayoral candidates who support the status quo. The corrected version of my post, [mpls] Minneapolis Mayor candidates,is at http://educationright.com/blog -Doug Mann, King Field REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Twins Stadium, Urban Infrastructure, and Petroleum Depletion
C-Span will carry an educational speech tonight relevant to the topic of planning urban infrastructure in preparation for lower-petroleum lifestyles. I encourage citizens to tune in, and to encourage our elected representatives and candidates to do likewise. Perhaps the Twins management could tune in as well. Bartlett's third Special Order Speech on Peak Oil: > Congressman Bartlett will discuss how the U.S. can overcome the threat to America's economic prosperity and national security posed by growing world demand for oil and consensus projections of future declines in world oil production. < Info can be found here: http://www.energybulletin.net/5710.html (Bartlett's speech will be on late, by the way -- sometimes can be accessed online as transcript or audio/video feed after the fact.) Will Bartlett be likely to recommend that we spend nearly half-billion per professional "sports" entertainment team, per city for new stadiums? Perhaps the professional "sports" entertainers will contemplate whether or not their own children will really benefit from flying teams all around the country to events which encourage folks to sit in traffic congestion and then eat junk food (which could very well be a third more expensive within 5 years or so) while sitting and watching the game. Urban park infrastructure is easily worth 100 professional "sports" entertainment complexes -- but urban park infrastructure is much less expensive, healthier, more sustainable, and far less energy-intensive than the former. And actual (participatory!) sports events occur in local city parks. Real baseball games happen when local, grassroots teams play or kids and adults in families and neighborhoods play together. It looks like Bartlett will focus more on steps to take tonight, though he will review current petroleum production/usage projections. Perhaps our local news media would do well to re-tether our city and state to the planet rather than reporting on huge urban infrastructure projects as though we are not at all a part of an ongoing ecosystem crash, or as though we are not at all a part of a very violent (largely petroleum-oriented) geopolitical clash and perhaps the most significant economic dislocation since the Great Depression? Visit EnergyBulletin's homepage and click around to various articles about petroleum, agriculture, and future implications of resource depletion. Think about why we would even think that professional "sports" entertainment will continue in any way like it is now -- for even ten more years? Maybe our "sports" reporters -- who report more about a narrow entertainment industry than about sports -- could breathlessly discuss how to run this industry on one-fourth the energy it uses now? Perhaps the Twins could lay out a plan for "sustainable sports" in Minneapolis? Would that plan include any stadium at all? The Mayor and Commissioner McLaughlin are now doing a dance to court the local talk-show media, the Pohlads, and the Twins organization. The issues we need to face are being displaced by a nonsense discussion. Interestingly, Bartlett notes that industry has lied to us about these things because the only concern is "next quarter's profits and stock prices" while politicians lie because they are completely dependant upon huge corporations, and are only concerned about saying the right things to get contributions for the next election. My thought is that any issues beyond the next election are "re-framed" by politicians so that huge corporations have short-term happiness while voters are drugged by the media. We see that happen now with the stadium issue. My question is this: will citizens, local politicians, media, and business people take a careful long-term approach? Will we see how far we can carry the lies before reality crashes the party? The sooner we act like citizens again regarding this matter, the better the outcome will be for all. -- pedaling for peace and ecojustice (a sporting event every day!) from Lynnhurst, for now -- Gary Hoover REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] U of M Survey finds that students are in support of thesmoking ban
David Strand wrote: > A recent survey of the smoking ban at the University > of Minnesota found that the vast majority support the > smoking ban. The student researchers who designed the > survey where largely opposed to the ban and surprised > by the results. According to the survey, 17% of students > smoke, and of the those, half smoke only occasionally. That's the thing about minority rights, the size of the majority is immaterial. If you don't understand this concept, then you don't understand the concept. The size of the majority doesn't lend greater importance to their moral imperative. Michael Atherton Prospect Park REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Re: stadium
Giving credit where credit is due... On May 2, 2005, at 2:17 PM, Justin Eibensteiner wrote: Regarding the burner's plume... The basic point of contention is that the studies are theoretical and not empirical. Since none of this work has been done, the public has no way of gauging their exposure based on on any real data. Absolutely right. The only study was modeling done before HERC opened. While I'm not aware of a detailed critique of that modeling, there is no study of actual emission dispersal, so I concede Justin's point and will be more circumspect about future claims of where stuff ends up. If you check with Minneapolis Environmental Management you'll find that the incerator pollution controls fail from time to time (to the point of getting fined significantly), meaning anyone in the vicinity may be getting more bad air then they bargained for on the wrong day. I checked. The last HERC failure was in 1999 - a scrubber failure that lasted less than a day, causing a hydrogen chloride violation. The plant was fined $22,000. Since then - more than six years - no violations or failures. I think the odds are with the fans here. Another bonus for the incinerator is due to the fact they are considered a waste treatment facility they do not have to disclose their emissions to the Toxic Release Inventory--creating even less public transparency. The plant does report emissions, which are publicly available, as noted earlier. I don't think there's anything furtive here. Fundamentally, I think the burner argument is a red herring in this debate. It's easy to fixate on a high-profile point source that probably pumps out less harmful junk than the tailpipes of the cars fans drive to the game - and certainly than a coal-fired plant, of which there are several in the Twin Cities. David Brauer Kingfield REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Re: Locked restrooms and porta-potties
This may be a bit late, I was snowed under by Passover and had about 400 emails to wade through..but Thought so, it is all about money. The parks cited in Annie's note are do NOT have accessible playground equipment. SO, those of us whose kids have special needs are just supposed to keep them at home on a glorious Sunday afternoon, or let them poop in the grass (which IS what people did before there were portapotties, park rest rooms, etc)? Got it! Thanks, it is as I suspected. Jane Strauss Longfellow REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Remaking Lake Street
The $25 million, three-year Hennepin County-federal-city-private business project is the first reconstruction of the street since 1954, when the streetcars were mothballed. http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/5381859.html The three-year, $25 million reconstruction project will begin May 16. The Midtown Exchange at Lake Street and Chicago Avenue S., which will include Allina's new headquarters, condos, a global market and a hotel, will open later this year. The road project that provides direct access from I nterstate Hwy. 35W is in the design stage. Eventually, the reconstruction of Lake Street will stretch from the Mississippi River to Uptown. I hope this same amount of money is invested in West Broadway in North Minneapolis as well. Shawn Lewis, former 8th Ward resident -- ___ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
