Re: [Mpls] BOOM-cars upset you?; Try this...?
On Sunday, May 22, 2005, at 11:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While driving east on Lowry between Penn and Lyndale, I encountered the terrible sounds of a large SUV BOOM-car next to me, on my right in traffic. Here is what I did at that red light. I leaned on my car horn in a continuous fashion; one loud, long and unabated hok. Far from perfect, It may possibly be the most effective, and only tool in our neighborhood tool box to deal with this type of goof; and grand nuisance. --- The Star Tribune reported in 1997 that a Minneapolis City Council noise ordinance targets noise from almost any source, with some exemptions such as for aircraft in flight. Fines for violating the ordinance are $200 for the first offense, $500 for the second offense, and $700 for the third. The ordinance stipulates that a noise violation occurs if someone makes a noise 10 decibels above the accepted noise level between 6 a.m. and 10 p.m., or 5 decibels above the accepted noise level between 10 p.m. and 6 a.m. This could indicate both the horn honking and the loud car stereo are in violation. Best wishes, Laura Laura Waterman Wittstock Candidate for Minneapolis Library Board of Trustees DFL and Labor endorsed Minneapolis, MN 612-387-4915 www.laurawatermanwittstock.com http://laurawatermanwittstock.blogspot.com/ Wittstock for Library Committee 913 19th Avenue SE, Mpls, 55414 REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] BOOM-cars upset you?; Try this...?
Good posting Keith I've heard more Minneapolis residents in the past year complaining about BOOM-cars and loud motorcycles then ever before. Now I'm hearing from people who are losing sleep each night by many bar patrons who can't come outside and smoke one cigarette without shouting at the top of their lungs to their friends (who happen to be standing six inches from them). Minneapolis has more then it's share of self-centered people either living here or visiting from the suburbs. My response to your question Keith is that people shouldn't honk their horns in an attempt to send a signal to the mutants driving the BOOM-cars and loud motorcycles. I'd refer to the drivers as wild animals but that would be a slap in the face to wild animals everywhere. Honking your horn will not deter these drivers from playing their music loudly throughout the city. It will, however, possibly wake-up city residents who may be sleeping. Many work nights and sleep during the day. I know you were frustrated at the time. I suggest residents call the mayor's office and their city council person to see what's being done to combat the increasing noise levels in the city (i.e., enforcing the noise laws on the books and writing tickets - combined with a media blitz informing the culprits their assault on citizens won't be tolerated). Presently few tickets are being written to drivers breaking noise ordinances. I know police are overworked as it is but believe others within the police department would have authority to also write these tickets. By not addressing the "increasing" noise levels, our city leaders would be sending the message that if you want a decent nights sleep, you'll have to move to the suburbs. Note: for those of you that live in the quiet neighborhoods of this city, consider yourself lucky! Many of the die-hard city residents who have thrived on the hustle and bustle of our urban city in that past are wondering if things may now be better in the burbs. It's amazing how productive one can be when getting a decent nights sleep. Don Davis Whittier REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] BOOM-cars upset you?; Try this...?
Personally I think the horn treatment is wrong. In addition to the "Goof "with the loud stereo blasting body punching bass in my neighborhood, you now have someone blowing a car horn continuously. I personally prefer the short snap of a nine as you blow out his tires. Less obtrusive in the hood; as it is a common sound. No, I guess that is a bad idea also, the police would rather catch shooters than boomers, and I do have a thing about other people firing guns in my neighborhood. I can tell you that the people down the street stopping and blowing the car horn constantly for five minutes at 5:30AM in the morning, to get a roofer friend out for work, elicits the same response from me. If I heard someone take a shot at their car, and the horn go suddenly silent I would roll over, smile, and go back to sleep thinking they finally got what they so richly deserve. Why is it so hard for the cops to catch such goofs? You can hear them two blocks away. It also gives reasonable cause to stop, ticket, check for warrants, and completely search the car. Talk about profiling. When drug dealing and crime is prevalent in a neighborhood guess what also is? That's right, people with so little respect that they do such things, as well as deal drugs. So crack down on these quality of life criminals and you also start solving a neighborhood's other problems. Oh, that's right, we can't even supply the police officers to arrest drug dealers openly dealing on the street corner, after the Mayor's cutting the force. So there is no time for "quality of life" for Minneapolis neighborhoods. But then again what care do the politicians have for "quality of life" in poor neighborhoods. No, shooting is way too extreme, the bullets might ricochet and hurt an innocent person. Baseball bats don't ricochet though, so I think a compromise might be to make it legally justifiable to take a baseball to the offending car. And to the offending driver if he protests too vigorously. Or, an even better idea is to take the license number, run it, then park a car with loud speakers outside his house blaring Box Car Willie at 120 db. You know, the stuff that blew up the Martian's heads in that Jack Nickelson movie. Or how about if we take an evangelical minister and beat on the door at 5:00 AM then preaching him a fire and brimstone sermon for the next five minutes on the sinful nature of people with SUV Boomers. No the Box Car Willie is worse punishment. Now that would be cruel punishment, and funny as hell. Jim Graham, Ventura Village, a neighborhood that once had way too much of its own share of SUV Boomers. "Without conflict communication and novel synthesis of information cannot take place. Conflict is the fertile soil in which creativity grows." - Master Toe REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] BOOM-cars upset you?; Try this...?
While driving east on Lowry between Penn and Lyndale, I encountered the terrible sounds of a large SUV BOOM-car next to me, on my right in traffic. As bad luck would have it, the light turned red for both of us; and we were right next to each other at a dead stop, and at the front of the pack. This goof had his window rolled down and the obscene rumble of his stereo system was more than a nuisance. It was the kind of sound that you feel right in the middle of your brain and through your whole body. Hood residers know what that SOUND is and it is a lot like torture. Previously, and with some frequency (no pun intended), I have been weighing the problem of this obscenity. This is a threatening and disturbing type of assault that our overworked constabulary cannot control. So: What can an individual do when confronted by it? I always just roll up my electric windows and suffer. SUFFER. Here is what I did at that red light. I leaned on my car horn in a continuous fashion; one loud, long and unabated hok. My car horn literally sounded better, and less painful to me, than the goof's incredible noise assault; it was a relief. But I do not think the goof enjoyed my car horn in his open window, and ear. He gave me a very puzzled, and uncomfortable, look; and then stared straight ahead for the duration of the red light (and my honk). He whizzed off, and I yielded so he could gain some distance from the center of my cranium. I did realize, at that moment, that perhaps many, many of us could do this same maneuver, as needed. Far from perfect, It may possibly be the most effective, and only tool in our neighborhood tool box to deal with this type of goof; and grand nuisance. I would appreciate any reasonable opinions in this matter but naysayers should offer constructive alternatives. Keith Reitman NearNorth And in another matter: Is there a motor cycle in MPLS. that HAS a muffler?? REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
