Re: mother/child reunion

2000-11-03 Thread RANDERSON67

In a message dated 11/3/00 2:17:34 PM Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 umping in and grabbing them is 
 not the solution. You have to go upstream and find out who is throwing the 
 babies in the river. Who you find upstream will be the immature, 
 unsocialized, sociopathic parents who shouldn't be allowed to have babies."
  

Harsh realities abound. Sexuality, like drugs, know no boundaries and affect 
each community whether it is acknowledged or not. I have no doubt that you 
knew children as young as 11 and 12 having sex for it is a fact of life. The 
truth is, it has been for some time. When sex occurs, the probability of 
impregnation looms extremely high, especially if education, compassion, and 
common sense are lacking. The solution however is not determining who should 
or should not have babies, therefore such a notion is null and should be 
voided.

I do agree that existing institutions should rally around educating society 
generally about the reality of sexuality. I strongly disagree that all who 
fall prey to pregnancy are immature, unsocialized, sociopaths whose right to 
choose should be arrested. Case histories exist of America's finest and 
brightest being trapped in the very same phenomenon. If you look a little 
farther up river you will find that the old "double standard" in American 
ethics stands behind this phenomenon. We sell, rate, and persuade everything 
by sexual connotation, and age is not a deterrent. Then after convincing all 
that sex, or its appeal is the very essence of existence, we balk at 
education, birth control, or any matter encompassing the notion of 
responsible sexual nature.

This reality is just as harsh. So harsh in fact that many want to ignore its 
truth. If we would save our children (parents and offspring alike), we must 
embrace the truth and arm them with it. When they fall (prey), every effort 
to heal the rift with as natural a setting as is possible is the better 
solution. If not, we move into phase II:  throwing more and more finance into 
a failed solution and compalining even more.

Robert Anderson
Minneapolis
IP Candidate, House 61B



mother-child reunion

2000-11-02 Thread Jolapub

It's not your routine-type issue for this list, but the recent Strib 
front-page article on the trial involving the teen-ager who nearly killed her 
child touches on what seems to me core issues for the city.

This sort of stuff happens more than we care to think about in the city. This 
one made headlines because of shock value but, in my opinion, it wasn't even 
the worst case of the day, let alone year.

We now have open courtrooms in juvenile cases, yet this treatment of kids in 
chaotic settings gets little media coverage. There is no constituency for 
reform of a system that desperately needs it. No one talking about 
intervening in families that are dangerous to kids.

At the very least, this plays out in schools, public safety, courts, 
corrections, the mental health system and quality of life.

Anyone want to talk about that?

Dennis Schapiro
Linden Hills










Re: mother-child reunion

2000-11-02 Thread RANDERSON67

In a message dated 11/2/00 6:21:22 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

 We now have open courtrooms in juvenile cases, yet this treatment of kids 
in 
 chaotic settings gets little media coverage. There is no constituency for 
 reform of a system that desperately needs it. No one talking about 
 intervening in families that are dangerous to kids 

I have not read the Strib report and so my response may seem a bit awkward. I 
am not even certain which mother-child is referred to. However, the question 
raises quite a stir. The gist of the post is seemingly indicating a reunion 
of the "family" here, a fact that begs another question:  what would be more 
appropriate?

As I understand it, a child gave birth to a child and, in panic, fear, 
confusion, or God only knows what ever state of mind, attempts to hide the 
fact. I will quickly add that I am not trying to trivialize the matter;  it 
is a grave circumstance to me, the father of six, with 19 grandchildren, and 
myself being sibling to a family of 34 (22 boys and 12 girls), childbirth is 
serious and sacred. So, let us skull out the options.

A.  The court could punish the mother with confinement for the "crime" 
and place the baby in another setting. The net effect being 2 persons in care 
of the state with uncertain outcomes for each.

B.  The court could remove the mother from her parents, recognizing the 
trauma, provide the mother with counseling and training for childcare, 
eventually allowing the 2 a reunion to grow up together, with the same 
outcome-2persons in care of the state with uncertain outcomes.

C.  The court could provide couseling for the entire family 
(grandparents, parent, and child), allowing for reality to settle in and 
providing a nurturing environ for both children with minimal financial 
assistance and a chance at a healthy, normal life.

Of the options mentioned, which has the most desirous outcome? Where is King 
Solomons wisdom when you really need it? More importantly, what set of facts 
do we tackle first in presenting resolution to problems of this magnitude?

Constituency of this nature is encumbent on society generally (is there a 
village capable of raising a child) however, hard questions must be 
answered first. What leads to teen sexuality in the first place?  We know 
that to be the source of  STD, un-wanted pregnancies, shattered lives, and 
abandonment, but how do we dis-mantle the machinery that gives rise to it in 
the first place?? These are hard questions, and cannot be answered without 
involving all factions (families, communities, schools and other 
institutions, adolescents). Likewise, we must bring to the table marketing, 
entertainment, social values, morality, and employment, even before we can 
begin to address effectively this phenomenon. It can be done but, in today's 
world, it requires strong, committed leadership and across the board 
discussion with intent and actions.

Robert Anderson
Minneapolis
IP Candidate, House 61B