Re: Any sites with many MQSeries servers?
Hi Scott, We use Candle to manage and configure our MQ environment. The Candle tool have all features that you need to admin a MQ network in a convinient way. The configuration tool is a central repository stored in a database. You can run checks between the qmgrs and the repositor to discover changes on the qmgr that is not in the repositroy. We use this in an environment with 3 Mainframes, 12 NT/W2K and 21 AS/400. Jonas Nyberg Electrolux IT Solutions - Sweden -Original Message- From: Hall, Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 10:57:45 -0500 Subject: Any sites with many MQSeries servers? Do any the readers of this mail list have many MQ servers? (e.g., more than 50 queue managers on more than 50 server/mainframe machines) If so, how do you manage the queue manager configurations? (e.g., home grown tools, tools from a S/W vendor, ...) Does anyone have any tools to help validate configurations? (i.e., see if they are probably correct before putting them into production usage) Thanks in advance. Scott Hall Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive
Re: Any sites with many MQSeries servers?
... oh that handsome guy? I'm afraid so !! -- but my answer remains true... it's a Victor Kiam type situation, I liked it so much, I bought the company... ... I really am an admin in a large MQ environment, and I really do think QN-AppWatch is the most effective way to handle that environment, so what could have been promotion becomes public service in my book -- I'm very proud of the product, and I use it every day... before that, I was a big Paul Clarke fan... Very nice of you to say so but I'm a little put out that you never offered to buy MY company. Paul G Clarke WebSphere MQ Development IBM Rochester,MN Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive
Re: Any sites with many MQSeries servers?
... if we ever get big enough to buy IBM I may give up my admin day job ... .. also, if MO71 was ever available as a separate buyable product, I would have snapped it up..at my previous site, we used it for everything, it is an excellent product... .. I have a lot of admiration for you, and the other developers (like Roger LaCroix for instance) who are able to produce great products basically in their spare time [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.reconda.com -Original Message- From: Paul Clarke [mailto:paulg_clarke;UK.IBM.COM] Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 11:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Any sites with many MQSeries servers? ... oh that handsome guy? I'm afraid so !! -- but my answer remains true... it's a Victor Kiam type situation, I liked it so much, I bought the company... ... I really am an admin in a large MQ environment, and I really do think QN-AppWatch is the most effective way to handle that environment, so what could have been promotion becomes public service in my book -- I'm very proud of the product, and I use it every day... before that, I was a big Paul Clarke fan... Very nice of you to say so but I'm a little put out that you never offered to buy MY company. Paul G Clarke WebSphere MQ Development IBM Rochester,MN Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive
Re: Any sites with many MQSeries servers?
Scott, We have a large MQ environment similar to what you describe. We wrote a tool to do administration, queue browsing and so forth, all from a web browser. A few weeks back someone pointed me to the Reconda site and it turns out that AppWatch is very much like the product that we wrote ourselves. There are a couple of differences between our internal tool and AppWatch that are of significance. Since we were developing for internal use only, we have a lot of specialized functionality in our tool. We also use an agent approach and there is a lot of code at the QMgr. AppWatch on the other hand uses a client approach. The fact that they require no code on the QMgr is either a blessing or a curse, depending on your needs. What AppWatch does with a client, they do very well. Reconda solved a lot of problems that were on our to-do list for our internal tool such as optionally using conversion when browsing messages, parsing out DLQ and RFH (and probably other) headers when browsing, etc. They also solved the authorization problem and are granular enough to allow a single user read-only access to some QMgrs and full control of others. In addition, they can administer a QMgr on any platform that supports a client connection *or* that supports PCF commands hopping over from a proxy QMgr. That includes QMgrs behind the firewall in the DMZ. The fact that we use agent code running on the QMgr allows us to do some things that AppWatch does not - for example, we can display error logs and FDC files, start or stop the QMgr, etc. The down side is that deployment on a new platform requires porting all our code. The other consideration we have is that an internally developed tool may become obsolete if the principal coder leaves the company. In the post 9-11 world where we are more concerned about disaster recovery, the support team for a home-grown tool should include at least two people in different geographic regions. When you factor that in, it is a little easier to show ROI for a vendor tool. We've looked at Candle, BMC, QPasa! and a few others. Candle is in use on many of our systems although it is used there mainly as a monitor and not so much for administration. AppWatch meets our administrative needs and is attractively priced compared to the competition. Sorry, but no advice on configuration verification. -- T.Rob -Original Message- From: Hall, Scott [mailto:scott.hall;CH.UNISYS.COM] Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Any sites with many MQSeries servers? Do any the readers of this mail list have many MQ servers? (e.g., more than 50 queue managers on more than 50 server/mainframe machines) If so, how do you manage the queue manager configurations? (e.g., home grown tools, tools from a S/W vendor, ...) Does anyone have any tools to help validate configurations? (i.e., see if they are probably correct before putting them into production usage) Thanks in advance. Scott Hall Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive
Re: Any sites with many MQSeries servers?
We had about 70 qmgrs. Since we already had a metadata DB to manage information for the product, we used that DB to store information about entities in the MQ environment. One of the DB guys wrote a tool that read the metadata and could generate a configuration script. Worked really well since the non-MQ folks could think of things logically and build up the metadata while the tool ensured the configuration script was properly created. -Ben -Original Message- From: Hall, Scott [mailto:scott.hall;CH.UNISYS.COM] Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 9:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Any sites with many MQSeries servers? Do any the readers of this mail list have many MQ servers? (e.g., more than 50 queue managers on more than 50 server/mainframe machines) If so, how do you manage the queue manager configurations? (e.g., home grown tools, tools from a S/W vendor, ...) Does anyone have any tools to help validate configurations? (i.e., see if they are probably correct before putting them into production usage) Thanks in advance. Scott Hall Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive
Re: Any sites with many MQSeries servers?
Hi, At the shop where I am currently on contract (Architect not MQ Admin), we have a hand full of queue managers on OS/390, about 50 queue managers on 25 Unix boxes and about 450 queue managers on 450 AS/400 boxes (1 per box). They wrote there own monitoring / configuration tool to manage their environment (before my time). This was because they had a special need. All AS/400 queue managers use SNA. At that time, some software vendors did not support SNA MQ agents on AS/400 for their products. Plus they got sticker shock from the price quotes. It is based on the 3 tier architect (agents - central server - Windows GUI) It is not perfect but it gets the job done. later Roger... Quoting Hall, Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Do any the readers of this mail list have many MQ servers? (e.g., more than 50 queue managers on more than 50 server/mainframe machines) If so, how do you manage the queue manager configurations? (e.g., home grown tools, tools from a S/W vendor, ...) Does anyone have any tools to help validate configurations? (i.e., see if they are probably correct before putting them into production usage) Thanks in advance. Scott Hall Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive
Re: Any sites with many MQSeries servers?
Any relation to the guy in the picture, on this page. http://www.reconda.com/exeteam.htm -Original Message- From: Hornby, Derek [mailto:DHornby;EXCHANGE.ML.COM] Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Any sites with many MQSeries servers? I am an administrator at a site with approx 200 Queue Managers and approx 150 MQ servers across 8 distinct MQ platforms, and we use QN-AppWatch from http://www.reconda.com to administer this environment -Original Message- From: Hall, Scott [mailto:scott.hall;CH.UNISYS.COM] Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Any sites with many MQSeries servers? Do any the readers of this mail list have many MQ servers? (e.g., more than 50 queue managers on more than 50 server/mainframe machines) If so, how do you manage the queue manager configurations? (e.g., home grown tools, tools from a S/W vendor, ...) Does anyone have any tools to help validate configurations? (i.e., see if they are probably correct before putting them into production usage) Thanks in advance. Scott Hall Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive
Re: Any sites with many MQSeries servers?
I am an administrator at a site with approx 200 Queue Managers and approx 150 MQ servers across 8 distinct MQ platforms, and we use QN-AppWatch from http://www.reconda.com to administer this environment -Original Message- From: Hall, Scott [mailto:scott.hall;CH.UNISYS.COM] Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Any sites with many MQSeries servers? Do any the readers of this mail list have many MQ servers? (e.g., more than 50 queue managers on more than 50 server/mainframe machines) If so, how do you manage the queue manager configurations? (e.g., home grown tools, tools from a S/W vendor, ...) Does anyone have any tools to help validate configurations? (i.e., see if they are probably correct before putting them into production usage) Thanks in advance. Scott Hall Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive
Re: Any sites with many MQSeries servers?
way to go Holmes -Original Message- From: Gorse, Darry [mailto:darry.e.gorse;CITIGROUP.COM] Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 12:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Any sites with many MQSeries servers? Any relation to the guy in the picture, on this page. http://www.reconda.com/exeteam.htm -Original Message- From: Hornby, Derek [mailto:DHornby;EXCHANGE.ML.COM] Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Any sites with many MQSeries servers? I am an administrator at a site with approx 200 Queue Managers and approx 150 MQ servers across 8 distinct MQ platforms, and we use QN-AppWatch from http://www.reconda.com to administer this environment -Original Message- From: Hall, Scott [mailto:scott.hall;CH.UNISYS.COM] Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Any sites with many MQSeries servers? Do any the readers of this mail list have many MQ servers? (e.g., more than 50 queue managers on more than 50 server/mainframe machines) If so, how do you manage the queue manager configurations? (e.g., home grown tools, tools from a S/W vendor, ...) Does anyone have any tools to help validate configurations? (i.e., see if they are probably correct before putting them into production usage) Thanks in advance. Scott Hall Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive
Re: Any sites with many MQSeries servers?
bank I was at on Wall St used Nastel A utility I was at used BMC Patrol The last two places I was ant and my current one use QPASA Nastel I set up and configured, it is a good product BMC I did not work with too mucjh but the person there liked it the screens look busy QPASA I have set up and configured. It allows you to design custom templates for what ever your messaginging environment looks like besides giving you default views. Pluss there is an MQSI monitor From: Hornby, Derek [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: MQSeries List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Any sites with many MQSeries servers? Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 12:04:00 -0400 I am an administrator at a site with approx 200 Queue Managers and approx 150 MQ servers across 8 distinct MQ platforms, and we use QN-AppWatch from http://www.reconda.com to administer this environment -Original Message- From: Hall, Scott [mailto:scott.hall;CH.UNISYS.COM] Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Any sites with many MQSeries servers? Do any the readers of this mail list have many MQ servers? (e.g., more than 50 queue managers on more than 50 server/mainframe machines) If so, how do you manage the queue manager configurations? (e.g., home grown tools, tools from a S/W vendor, ...) Does anyone have any tools to help validate configurations? (i.e., see if they are probably correct before putting them into production usage) Thanks in advance. Scott Hall Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive _ Get faster connections -- switch to MSN Internet Access! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive
Re: Any sites with many MQSeries servers?
... oh that handsome guy? I'm afraid so !! -- but my answer remains true... it's a Victor Kiam type situation, I liked it so much, I bought the company... ... I really am an admin in a large MQ environment, and I really do think QN-AppWatch is the most effective way to handle that environment, so what could have been promotion becomes public service in my book -- I'm very proud of the product, and I use it every day... before that, I was a big Paul Clarke fan... -Original Message- From: Hill, Dave [mailto:DHill;FSCO.COM] Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 1:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Any sites with many MQSeries servers? way to go Holmes -Original Message- From: Gorse, Darry [mailto:darry.e.gorse;CITIGROUP.COM] Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 12:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Any sites with many MQSeries servers? Any relation to the guy in the picture, on this page. http://www.reconda.com/exeteam.htm -Original Message- From: Hornby, Derek [mailto:DHornby;EXCHANGE.ML.COM] Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Any sites with many MQSeries servers? I am an administrator at a site with approx 200 Queue Managers and approx 150 MQ servers across 8 distinct MQ platforms, and we use QN-AppWatch from http://www.reconda.com to administer this environment -Original Message- From: Hall, Scott [mailto:scott.hall;CH.UNISYS.COM] Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Any sites with many MQSeries servers? Do any the readers of this mail list have many MQ servers? (e.g., more than 50 queue managers on more than 50 server/mainframe machines) If so, how do you manage the queue manager configurations? (e.g., home grown tools, tools from a S/W vendor, ...) Does anyone have any tools to help validate configurations? (i.e., see if they are probably correct before putting them into production usage) Thanks in advance. Scott Hall Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive
Re: Any sites with many MQSeries servers?
Nice picture Derek!!!1 Wasn't that the one from the post office? bee-oh-dubble-bee-dubble-eegghh!!! From: Gorse, Darry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: MQSeries List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Any sites with many MQSeries servers? Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:32:44 -0500 Any relation to the guy in the picture, on this page. http://www.reconda.com/exeteam.htm -Original Message- From: Hornby, Derek [mailto:DHornby;EXCHANGE.ML.COM] Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Any sites with many MQSeries servers? I am an administrator at a site with approx 200 Queue Managers and approx 150 MQ servers across 8 distinct MQ platforms, and we use QN-AppWatch from http://www.reconda.com to administer this environment -Original Message- From: Hall, Scott [mailto:scott.hall;CH.UNISYS.COM] Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Any sites with many MQSeries servers? Do any the readers of this mail list have many MQ servers? (e.g., more than 50 queue managers on more than 50 server/mainframe machines) If so, how do you manage the queue manager configurations? (e.g., home grown tools, tools from a S/W vendor, ...) Does anyone have any tools to help validate configurations? (i.e., see if they are probably correct before putting them into production usage) Thanks in advance. Scott Hall Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive _ Get faster connections -- switch to MSN Internet Access! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive
