Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] .mseide creation
Hallo Martin, Du schriebst am Wed, 2 Jan 2013 07:40:47 +0100: But as I remarked even in my original remark, I'm too late anyway... I proposed the symbolic link for the OS-support directories too, nobody liked it IIRC. So it is better to rename them to avoid confusion. Did anybody _reject_ it? If not, you could have claimed universal acceptance, as no response _is_ acceptance, just like in politics. BTW, I cannot even remember having seen such a proposal - but it might be that it got lost in some scramble here recently... -- (Weitergabe von Adressdaten, Telefonnummern u.ä. ohne Zustimmung nicht gestattet, ebenso Zusendung von Werbung oder ähnlichem) --- Mit freundlichen Grüßen, S. Schicktanz --- -- Master Java SE, Java EE, Eclipse, Spring, Hibernate, JavaScript, jQuery and much more. Keep your Java skills current with LearnJavaNow - 200+ hours of step-by-step video tutorials by Java experts. SALE $49.99 this month only -- learn more at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnmore_122612 ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] .mseide creation
Hallo Martin, Du schriebst am Wed, 2 Jan 2013 07:18:47 +0100: I did not test recently but MSEide+MSEgui worked well and had a usable performance on my old AMD K6 machine with Windows 98 last time I tried. Interesting, when was that? How long ago? Half a year probabely is too long to be relevant. Because I attempt to make MSEgui faster everytime I change something I hope it will still be the case. Not neccessarily, because these times, even the processors incorporate various optimisations - often optimisations that counteract those of the generations from some time ago, at that. As an example, the newer processors execute the string operations formerly used for optimizing block operations _more slowly_ than a complete loop consisting of several op codes. -- (Weitergabe von Adressdaten, Telefonnummern u.ä. ohne Zustimmung nicht gestattet, ebenso Zusendung von Werbung oder ähnlichem) --- Mit freundlichen Grüßen, S. Schicktanz --- -- Master Java SE, Java EE, Eclipse, Spring, Hibernate, JavaScript, jQuery and much more. Keep your Java skills current with LearnJavaNow - 200+ hours of step-by-step video tutorials by Java experts. SALE $49.99 this month only -- learn more at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnmore_122612 ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] .mseide creation
On Wednesday 02 January 2013 19:35:58 Sieghard wrote: Hallo Martin, Du schriebst am Wed, 2 Jan 2013 07:18:47 +0100: I did not test recently but MSEide+MSEgui worked well and had a usable performance on my old AMD K6 machine with Windows 98 last time I tried. Interesting, when was that? How long ago? Half a year probabely is too long to be relevant. I don't understand, why is half a year too long to be relevant? Has MSEgui slowed down so much the last half year? Because I attempt to make MSEgui faster everytime I change something I hope it will still be the case. Not neccessarily, because these times, even the processors incorporate various optimisations - often optimisations that counteract those of the generations from some time ago, at that. As an example, the newer processors execute the string operations formerly used for optimizing block operations _more slowly_ than a complete loop consisting of several op codes. I know, AFAIK string operations should not be used since many years. Martin -- Master Java SE, Java EE, Eclipse, Spring, Hibernate, JavaScript, jQuery and much more. Keep your Java skills current with LearnJavaNow - 200+ hours of step-by-step video tutorials by Java experts. SALE $49.99 this month only -- learn more at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnmore_122612 ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] .mseide creation
Hallo Martin, Du schriebst am Wed, 2 Jan 2013 20:48:34 +0100: I don't understand, why is half a year too long to be relevant? Has MSEgui slowed down so much the last half year? I'm not aware of such a thing. But I got the impression that processing speed had increased quit a bit lately, mainly because of an ever increasing number of processing units, and software been reworked to make better use of multiple core chips. -- (Weitergabe von Adressdaten, Telefonnummern u.ä. ohne Zustimmung nicht gestattet, ebenso Zusendung von Werbung oder ähnlichem) --- Mit freundlichen Grüßen, S. Schicktanz --- -- Master Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL, ASP.NET, C# 2012, HTML5, CSS, MVC, Windows 8 Apps, JavaScript and much more. Keep your skills current with LearnDevNow - 3,200 step-by-step video tutorials by Microsoft MVPs and experts. ON SALE this month only -- learn more at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnmore_122712 ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] .mseide creation
On 01/01/2013 18:41, Sieghard wrote: Indeed, that wouldn't do. So you're using mseide-msegui on a Windows 95, 98 or ME machine? What processor, and how's the performance? :-O My Windows development is done under Win2000 with NTFS and FAT32 partitions. Graeme. -- Master SQL Server Development, Administration, T-SQL, SSAS, SSIS, SSRS and more. Get SQL Server skills now (including 2012) with LearnDevNow - 200+ hours of step-by-step video tutorials by Microsoft MVPs and experts. SALE $99.99 this month only - learn more at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnmore_122512 ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] .mseide creation
Hallo Graeme, Du schriebst am Tue, 01 Jan 2013 19:16:09 +: My Windows development is done under Win2000 with NTFS and FAT32 partitions. So there's nothing that would keep you from installing mseide-msegui on a NTFS formatted partition (which supports links). That's conforming to my suspicion that practically any (development) system nowadays is suffiently equipped to allow that. In addition, a setup as proposed would merely make it neccessary to keep some files multiply on a FAT partition, not even rule out using mseide-msegui at all. But as I remarked even in my original remark, I'm too late anyway... -- (Weitergabe von Adressdaten, Telefonnummern u.ä. ohne Zustimmung nicht gestattet, ebenso Zusendung von Werbung oder ähnlichem) --- Mit freundlichen Grüßen, S. Schicktanz --- -- Master Java SE, Java EE, Eclipse, Spring, Hibernate, JavaScript, jQuery and much more. Keep your Java skills current with LearnJavaNow - 200+ hours of step-by-step video tutorials by Java experts. SALE $49.99 this month only -- learn more at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnmore_122612 ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] .mseide creation
On Tuesday 01 January 2013 19:41:50 Sieghard wrote: Indeed, that wouldn't do. So you're using mseide-msegui on a Windows 95, 98 or ME machine? What processor, and how's the performance? :-O I did not test recently but MSEide+MSEgui worked well and had a usable performance on my old AMD K6 machine with Windows 98 last time I tried. Because I attempt to make MSEgui faster everytime I change something I hope it will still be the case. Martin -- Master Java SE, Java EE, Eclipse, Spring, Hibernate, JavaScript, jQuery and much more. Keep your Java skills current with LearnJavaNow - 200+ hours of step-by-step video tutorials by Java experts. SALE $49.99 this month only -- learn more at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnmore_122612 ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] .mseide creation
On Wednesday 02 January 2013 01:21:26 Sieghard wrote: Hallo Graeme, Du schriebst am Tue, 01 Jan 2013 19:16:09 +: My Windows development is done under Win2000 with NTFS and FAT32 partitions. So there's nothing that would keep you from installing mseide-msegui on a NTFS formatted partition (which supports links). That's conforming to my suspicion that practically any (development) system nowadays is suffiently equipped to allow that. In addition, a setup as proposed would merely make it neccessary to keep some files multiply on a FAT partition, not even rule out using mseide-msegui at all. But as I remarked even in my original remark, I'm too late anyway... I proposed the symbolic link for the OS-support directories too, nobody liked it IIRC. So it is better to rename them to avoid confusion. Martin -- Master Java SE, Java EE, Eclipse, Spring, Hibernate, JavaScript, jQuery and much more. Keep your Java skills current with LearnJavaNow - 200+ hours of step-by-step video tutorials by Java experts. SALE $49.99 this month only -- learn more at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnmore_122612 ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] .mseide creation
On Monday 31 December 2012 08:06:07 Martin Schreiber wrote:
On Sunday 30 December 2012 19:44:57 Patrick Goupell wrote:
Martin,
When mseide does not find a .mseide/mseideli.sta file it creates one.
When I click on Settings - Configure MSEide:
On a 32 bit system it sets the compiler to ppc386 and target to
i386-linux.
On my 64 bit system the compiler was set to ppcx86 and the target was
set as i386-linux. Can that be set to x86_64-linux?
i386-linux is a misleading directory name because lib/kernel/i386-linux can
be used both for i386 and x64. Probably it should be named linux instead.
If we change the directory name we will break all existing projects.
git master 3e89711aa4783b32ffa63d601c550640c0866fb1 renamed
lib/common/kernel/i386-linux - lib/common/kernel/linux
lib/common/kernel/i386-win32 - lib/common/kernel/windows
There is a new settings macro ${TARGETOSDIR} which points to the new
directory. Please replace ${TARGET} by ${TARGETOSDIR} in your existing
project options.
Martin
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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] .mseide creation
Hallo Martin, Du schriebst am Mon, 31 Dec 2012 09:42:10 +0100: i386-linux is a misleading directory name because lib/kernel/i386-linux ... git master 3e89711aa4783b32ffa63d601c550640c0866fb1 renamed Too late... You could have considered using links here - even Windows' NTFS provide them. Then you could have had both: the new general name and one specific one for each of the architectures where needed. -- (Weitergabe von Adressdaten, Telefonnummern u.ä. ohne Zustimmung nicht gestattet, ebenso Zusendung von Werbung oder ähnlichem) --- Mit freundlichen Grüßen, S. Schicktanz --- -- Master Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL, ASP.NET, C# 2012, HTML5, CSS, MVC, Windows 8 Apps, JavaScript and much more. Keep your skills current with LearnDevNow - 3,200 step-by-step video tutorials by Microsoft MVPs and experts. SALE $99.99 this month only -- learn more at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnmore_122412 ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] .mseide creation
On 31/12/12 19:15, Sieghard wrote: You could have considered using links here - even Windows' NTFS provide them. No, because MSEide doesn't dictate that NTFS is a requirement. FAT16 or FAT32 could be used too. Regards, - Graeme - -- fpGUI Toolkit - a cross-platform GUI toolkit using Free Pascal http://fpgui.sourceforge.net/ -- Master SQL Server Development, Administration, T-SQL, SSAS, SSIS, SSRS and more. Get SQL Server skills now (including 2012) with LearnDevNow - 200+ hours of step-by-step video tutorials by Microsoft MVPs and experts. SALE $99.99 this month only - learn more at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnmore_122512 ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] .mseide creation
On 12/30/2012 01:44 PM, Patrick Goupell wrote: On my 64 bit system the compiler was set to ppcx86 and the target was set as i386-linux. Can that be set to x86_64-linux? Correction, that should say the compiler is set to ppcx64. Patrick -- Master Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL, ASP.NET, C# 2012, HTML5, CSS, MVC, Windows 8 Apps, JavaScript and much more. Keep your skills current with LearnDevNow - 3,200 step-by-step video tutorials by Microsoft MVPs and experts. ON SALE this month only -- learn more at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnmore_123012 ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] .mseide creation
On 30/12/12 18:44, Patrick Goupell wrote: On my 64 bit system the compiler was set to ppcx86 and the target was set as i386-linux. Can that be set to x86_64-linux? No, it must be i386-linux, because that is a hard-coded directory path. I've raised this issue years ago. If you change that, then msegui cannot compile. Annoying I know, so for my projects I had to setup custom platform macros, and can't use the one from the IDE settings dialog. Regards, - Graeme - -- fpGUI Toolkit - a cross-platform GUI toolkit using Free Pascal http://fpgui.sourceforge.net/ -- Master Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL, ASP.NET, C# 2012, HTML5, CSS, MVC, Windows 8 Apps, JavaScript and much more. Keep your skills current with LearnDevNow - 3,200 step-by-step video tutorials by Microsoft MVPs and experts. ON SALE this month only -- learn more at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnmore_123012 ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] .mseide creation
On 12/30/2012 05:43 PM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: No, it must be i386-linux, because that is a hard-coded directory path. I've raised this issue years ago. If you change that, then msegui cannot compile. Annoying I know, so for my projects I had to setup custom platform macros, and can't use the one from the IDE settings dialog. Regards, - Graeme - When creating it the first time the program could / should inspect the directory path. If running on an x86_64 architecture then look for an x86_64-linux folder, if running on an i386 architecture then look for an i386-linux folder and act accordingly. Patrick -- Master Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL, ASP.NET, C# 2012, HTML5, CSS, MVC, Windows 8 Apps, JavaScript and much more. Keep your skills current with LearnDevNow - 3,200 step-by-step video tutorials by Microsoft MVPs and experts. ON SALE this month only -- learn more at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnmore_123012 ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] .mseide creation
On Sunday 30 December 2012 19:44:57 Patrick Goupell wrote: Martin, When mseide does not find a .mseide/mseideli.sta file it creates one. When I click on Settings - Configure MSEide: On a 32 bit system it sets the compiler to ppc386 and target to i386-linux. On my 64 bit system the compiler was set to ppcx86 and the target was set as i386-linux. Can that be set to x86_64-linux? i386-linux is a misleading directory name because lib/kernel/i386-linux can be used both for i386 and x64. Probably it should be named linux instead. If we change the directory name we will break all existing projects. Martin -- Master Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL, ASP.NET, C# 2012, HTML5, CSS, MVC, Windows 8 Apps, JavaScript and much more. Keep your skills current with LearnDevNow - 3,200 step-by-step video tutorials by Microsoft MVPs and experts. SALE $99.99 this month only -- learn more at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnmore_122412 ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
