[MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Bugs I mentioned in fgGUI Android thread
Martin, Per your request in the discussion we were having in the fpGUI news groups about the "need" for form files and streaming form layouts I will detail what I remember of my trial runs of recent MSEgui versions. I used 4.4 (4.4.1 I think) and 3.8.8. 4.4.x worked better in the visuals department. The problems I ran into fall roughly in three categories: 1. Z-Ordering problems: Forms falling / rising unexpectedly. The worst example was clicking a menu item and a background window, not even from the MSEide, was pulled up behind the drop down menu, obscuring, among other things, the window the menu was attached to. 2. Form content disappearing. Particularly with the 3.x version using the arrow keys to move up and down in the inspector caused values for other properties to disappear and then re-appear... seemingly at random. I think its tied to the value editor for the property that gets the focus. 3. Won't connect to MySQL: In 3.x I'd get an "Access Violation" after setting the properties and then setting the "connected" property to true. In 4.x it would report an authentication failure. I retyped my password, double checked the host, user and DB names several times before I realized the the error message said I wasn't allowed access to a database that doesn't exist. What is apparently happening is the DB name is truncated to just the first character. I had two test databases: "logging" and "foster". So the error message would say I was denied access to "f" or "l", depending on which I tried. I believe I also saw "failure to redraw when exposed" issues. Its been a few weeks since I tried to use it so the details are a bit fuzzy. And I know I saw other "drawing" defects. Bottom line is I didn't want to /inherit/ the drawing / user nuisance issues and DB based apps is the primary use I have for MSEgui, so not being able to connect to a DB was end of game for me. If the rest of the IDE had functioned I would have moved onto trying to build for ZEOS, since I saw you have instructions on doing that and that is what I use to bring some sanity to Lazarus. I'm also aware of how difficult it is to target MySQL due to the ongoing idiocy in the way they routinely mangle their client library. I have my own light-weight MySQL interface that I've maintained since MySQL 3.28. After 3 or 4 client changes I just carry around the lib version that I last updated for and install it on the client machines. I was really dissapointed since the version I tried several years back worked so well. Any thoughts on use on OS X? Last I asked I was told, "why would I want to?" And the answer is, "'cause I want to write once run everywhere." Isn't that what we all want? -- Jon Foster JF Possibilities, Inc. -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Bugs I mentioned in fgGUI Android thread
Hello. > 1. Z-Ordering problems: Then you may try a son of MSEgui: ideU --> https://github.com/fredvs/ideU There are some extra-options for Z managing. (This to show you that all can be customized with MSEide). Fre;D De : Jon Foster Envoyé : mardi 4 avril 2017 17:12 À : mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net Objet : [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Bugs I mentioned in fgGUI Android thread Martin, Per your request in the discussion we were having in the fpGUI news groups about the "need" for form files and streaming form layouts I will detail what I remember of my trial runs of recent MSEgui versions. I used 4.4 (4.4.1 I think) and 3.8.8. 4.4.x worked better in the visuals department. The problems I ran into fall roughly in three categories: 1. Z-Ordering problems: Forms falling / rising unexpectedly. The worst example was clicking a menu item and a background window, not even from the MSEide, was pulled up behind the drop down menu, obscuring, among other things, the window the menu was attached to. 2. Form content disappearing. Particularly with the 3.x version using the arrow keys to move up and down in the inspector caused values for other properties to disappear and then re-appear... seemingly at random. I think its tied to the value editor for the property that gets the focus. 3. Won't connect to MySQL: In 3.x I'd get an "Access Violation" after setting the properties and then setting the "connected" property to true. In 4.x it would report an authentication failure. I retyped my password, double checked the host, user and DB names several times before I realized the the error message said I wasn't allowed access to a database that doesn't exist. What is apparently happening is the DB name is truncated to just the first character. I had two test databases: "logging" and "foster". So the error message would say I was denied access to "f" or "l", depending on which I tried. I believe I also saw "failure to redraw when exposed" issues. Its been a few weeks since I tried to use it so the details are a bit fuzzy. And I know I saw other "drawing" defects. Bottom line is I didn't want to /inherit/ the drawing / user nuisance issues and DB based apps is the primary use I have for MSEgui, so not being able to connect to a DB was end of game for me. If the rest of the IDE had functioned I would have moved onto trying to build for ZEOS, since I saw you have instructions on doing that and that is what I use to bring some sanity to Lazarus. I'm also aware of how difficult it is to target MySQL due to the ongoing idiocy in the way they routinely mangle their client library. I have my own light-weight MySQL interface that I've maintained since MySQL 3.28. After 3 or 4 client changes I just carry around the lib version that I last updated for and install it on the client machines. I was really dissapointed since the version I tried several years back worked so well. Any thoughts on use on OS X? Last I asked I was told, "why would I want to?" And the answer is, "'cause I want to write once run everywhere." Isn't that what we all want? -- Jon Foster JF Possibilities, Inc. -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk mseide-msegui-talk Info Page - SourceForge<https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk> lists.sourceforge.net To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the mseide-msegui-talk Archives. Using mseide-msegui-talk: To post a message to all the ... -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Bugs I mentioned in fgGUI Android thread
On Tuesday 04 April 2017 17:12:37 Jon Foster wrote: > Martin, > > Per your request in the discussion we were having in the fpGUI news groups > about the "need" for form files and streaming form layouts I will detail > what I remember of my trial runs of recent MSEgui versions. I used 4.4 > (4.4.1 I think) and 3.8.8. 4.4.x worked better in the visuals department. > The problems I ran into fall roughly in three categories: > [...] Which operating system/window manager? Can you try again with current git master version: https://gitlab.com/mseide-msegui/mseide-msegui/tree/master so we can sort out the problems? Please compile MSEide in clone-directory with fpc -Fulib/common/* -Fulib/common/kernel/linux apps/ide/mseide.pas > 1. Z-Ordering problems: Forms falling / rising unexpectedly. The worst > example was clicking a menu item and a background window, not even from the > MSEide, was pulled up behind the drop down menu, obscuring, among other > things, the window the menu was attached to. > Maybe a window manager with buggy NET_RESTACK_WINDOW protocol handling. Starting MSEgui applications with --NORESTACKWINDOW activates a workaround, see README.TXT. > 2. Form content disappearing. Particularly with the 3.x version using the > arrow keys to move up and down in the inspector caused values for other > properties to disappear and then re-appear... seemingly at random. I think > its tied to the value editor for the property that gets the focus. > That looks similar like an effect of a buggy RADEON driver https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69543 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84253 Switching off EXAPIXMAPS helps, see README.TXT. > 3. Won't connect to MySQL: In 3.x I'd get an "Access Violation" after > setting the properties and then setting the "connected" property to true. > In 4.x it would report an authentication failure. I retyped my password, > double checked the host, user and DB names several times before I realized > the the error message said I wasn't allowed access to a database that > doesn't exist. What is apparently happening is the DB name is truncated to > just the first character. I had two test databases: "logging" and "foster". > So the error message would say I was denied access to "f" or "l", depending > on which I tried. > That should already been fixed. http://www.mail-archive.com/mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net/msg10791.html A heavy regression, sorry. > I believe I also saw "failure to redraw when exposed" issues. > Again looks like the EXA-problem. > Its been a few weeks since I tried to use it so the details are a bit > fuzzy. And I know I saw other "drawing" defects. Bottom line is I didn't > want to /inherit/ the drawing / user nuisance issues and DB based apps is > the primary use I have for MSEgui, so not being able to connect to a DB was > end of game for me. If the rest of the IDE had functioned I would have > moved onto trying to build for ZEOS, since I saw you have instructions on > doing that and that is what I use to bring some sanity to Lazarus. I suggest to use the native MSEgui DB-components, they have the best integration into the MSEgui environment. > I'm also > aware of how difficult it is to target MySQL due to the ongoing idiocy in > the way they routinely mangle their client library. I have my own > light-weight MySQL interface that I've maintained since MySQL 3.28. After 3 > or 4 client changes I just carry around the lib version that I last updated > for and install it on the client machines. > TmseMySQLConnection should work with all versions from 5.0 upwards. [...] > > Any thoughts on use on OS X? Last I asked I was told, "why would I want > to?" And the answer is, "'cause I want to write once run everywhere." Isn't > that what we all want? IIRC I answered that Mac people probably will not accept anything which is not 110% Apple. ;-) OSX support can be done if there is enough interrest and/or a sponsor. Because Apple tries to lock out alien systems it will not be easy I fear. Martin -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Bugs I mentioned in fgGUI Android thread
On 04/04/2017 11:39 AM, Martin Schreiber wrote: > On Tuesday 04 April 2017 17:12:37 Jon Foster wrote: >> Martin, >> >> Per your request in the discussion we were having in the fpGUI news groups >> about the "need" for form files and streaming form layouts I will detail >> what I remember of my trial runs of recent MSEgui versions. I used 4.4 >> (4.4.1 I think) and 3.8.8. 4.4.x worked better in the visuals department. >> The problems I ran into fall roughly in three categories: > [...] > > Which operating system/window manager? > Can you try again with current git master version: > https://gitlab.com/mseide-msegui/mseide-msegui/tree/master > so we can sort out the problems? > Please compile MSEide in clone-directory with > fpc -Fulib/common/* -Fulib/common/kernel/linux apps/ide/mseide.pas OK, I cloned the git repo and compiled MSEide. Almost all of the problems persist. Still too numerous for me to do much with it. My current desktop setup and the one I've been using for years: Debian 7 i386. Enlightenment 0.16.x (aka E16-1.0.0). Intel Core 2 x 4 @3GHz. Using Xorg 1.12.4 with ATI video card & 2 monitors. Looks like it is using the Xorg supplied ATI Radeon driver, with RandR and such. Also have an Intel based notebook in basically the same configuration... except its using the "fbdev" video driver instead of Intel's since it was too buggy. The hardware is too new for the driver. >> 1. Z-Ordering problems: Forms falling / rising unexpectedly. The worst >> [...] > Maybe a window manager with buggy NET_RESTACK_WINDOW protocol handling. > Starting MSEgui applications with --NORESTACKWINDOW activates a workaround, > see README.TXT. > >> 2. Form content disappearing. Particularly with the 3.x version using the >> [...] > That looks similar like an effect of a buggy RADEON driver > https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69543 > https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84253 > Switching off EXAPIXMAPS helps, see README.TXT. Fascinating this appears to be the case. The fbdev driver on the notebook does not have this issue. Things sure seem to have gone downhill since Xorg took over for Xfree86. Assuming your also correct about WM issues with #1 above I still have to say that all of the other software on my system is running without these issues. I'm not going to invest any more time into this ... unless I can find the time to get the current Enlightenment going. Everything is too fine tuned to disrupt. > >> 3. Won't connect to MySQL: In 3.x I'd get an "Access Violation" after >> setting the properties and then setting the "connected" property to true. >> [...] > That should already been fixed. > http://www.mail-archive.com/mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net/msg10791.html > A heavy regression, sorry. This is fixed in "master". > [...] THX! -- Jon Foster JF Possibilities, Inc. -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
