Re: [music-dsp] Modular Synthesis Language Moselle... Alpha Release Today.

2013-12-14 Thread Richard Dobson
I am interested to look at this, primarily as another possible resource 
for schools teaching sound and music computing (especially when fully 
multi-platform), but disappointed that I have to subscribe to something 
simply in order to download it, when it is not even clear what I would 
become a member of. I may just be suffering from subscription fatigue, 
but this seems unnecessary, and in my case entirely off-puttting. Can't 
it just be made available as a simple download for those interested in 
early testing?  I would not want to recommend it to teachers if they all 
had to subscribe to something first; they probably have even more 
subscription fatigue than I do. They would for example need to be able 
to install it on a school network without requiring each student to 
subscribe to what is presumably an un-moderated forum not expressly 
designed for youngsters.




Richard Dobson




On 14/12/2013 06:19, Frank Sheeran wrote:

It looks like I forgot to mention: Moselle's no-cost download is
available at: 
http://moselle.invisionzone.com/index.php?/files/file/2-moselle-alpha-release
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Re: [music-dsp] Modular Synthesis Language Moselle... Alpha Release Today.

2013-12-14 Thread Frank Sheeran
URL?

And, question du jour: would it port to the Raspberry Pi?

Richard Dobson

Hi Richard,

Classic mistake: omitting the URL.
http://moselle.invisionzone.com/index.php?/files/file/2-moselle-alpha-release/

The language engine and module library are 100% portable.  The portion that
outputs to sound card is Windows-specific but I'm actually a Unix guy so
should have no trouble porting to Unix.  Since you're asking about
Raspberry I think you're talking embedded performance only application as
opposed to the development environment, but more generally the development
environment could easily be recreated on Unix except perhaps the editor's
automated syntax highlighting.  Also, a Unix version would probably be
better-served by an Emacs major mode, than a relatively low-power text
widget.
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Re: [music-dsp] Modular Synthesis Language Moselle... Alpha Release Today.

2013-12-14 Thread Frank Sheeran

 I am interested to look at this, primarily as another possible resource
 for schools teaching sound and music computing (especially when fully
 multi-platform), but disappointed that I have to subscribe to something
 simply in order to download it, when it is not even clear what I would
 become a member of. I may just be suffering from subscription fatigue,
 but this seems unnecessary, and in my case entirely off-puttting. Can't
 it just be made available as a simple download for those interested in
 early testing?  I would not want to recommend it to teachers if they all
 had to subscribe to something first; they probably have even more
 subscription fatigue than I do. They would for example need to be able
 to install it on a school network without requiring each student to
 subscribe to what is presumably an un-moderated forum not expressly
 designed for youngsters.


Hi Richard,

Thx again for your interest.

Moselle isn't free software.  The cost isn't monetary but rather that a
feedback on the forum on the forum is requested.  I tried setting up the
QA forum so it didn't require an account, and had 2000+ spams within 3
days.  So, I spent a day's development time cleaning the forum instead.
 The membership is just in the QA forum, and additionally defaults you to
receiving emails about future releases unless you un-check a box.  If you
don't want to be a member, by all means sign up, download, and delete your
account afterwards.

If you want to warn away people that software you haven't seen is probably
nonetheless not worth 30 seconds of their time to make a forum account and
give a feedback, I can't stop you.  But why not take a look at the software
first?  If you find its indeed not worth the 30 seconds, you can put a
comment to that effect right on the forum, and warn away not only teachers
you know personally, but anyone else looking at the software.  It may be
that crappy.  I don't know.  I don't have any feedback yet!

Yes, I could see a school teaching modular synthesis with Moselle.  I have
to recuse myself from discussing whether it'd be better for that purpose
than Csound or Max/MSP or what have you, but I hope that some opinions on
the matter are shared on the forum soon.
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