[mb-style] RFC STYLE-151: edit of relationship type
I keep finding shortened edits and extracts of classical recordings and I have no way of linking them, so I'm going to send a proposal for this. It's pretty much the same that was discussed (but never specifically RFC'd) a few months ago by Salutaurs, except that I've removed digitalisations from the explicitly covered bits since there's no agreement on whether different transfers should or shouldn't be new recordings and that's part of a much bigger discussion I don't want to enter now :) This is on the wiki at http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Reosarevok/Edit_Relationship_Type and in Jira at http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/STYLE-151 Expected RFV date is Jan 10. -- Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] Adding language attribute to URLs
Den 03-01-2013 16:40, Frederic Da Vitoria skrev: [...] if the filtering option is ever implemented, I'd definitely want to have a list of languages instead of only one: I'd like to get pages in French and English. I suppose I'm not the only one who'd want something like this. I'd want Danish, English, Swedish, Norwegian, Scots (like there'll be any of those... :(), and possibly German, French, ... - so yeah, either being able to turn it off completely or have an include (or exclude?) list would be must. :) -- Namasté, Frederik Freso S. Olesen http://freso.dk/ MB: https://musicbrainz.org/user/Freso Wiki: https://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Freso ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] Fwd: RFC: Copyright relationship
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 12:44 -0500, daniel. wrote: Expected expiration date: September 2013 (?) A standard RFC lasts for 2 weeks (assuming that you get a +1), so you would normally say January 17th. I think it's relevant for a music encyclopedia to have data about copyright and phonographic copyright: the copyright holders of a release or a recording (and its date). They can be the label or other entities, or the artist. I think most releases have that information, I don't see why MusicBrainz still doesn't have a relationship type for this. http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/STYLE-93 In order to propose a new relationship type like this, you should create a new wiki page describing the relationship and its usage. E.g. I have one at http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Kepstin/Discography_Entry_Relationship_Type for a relationship I proposed earlier (although that one's a bit light on description). Take a look at other existing pages, e.g. http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Producer_Relationship_Type to see what you should include Some particular information that you should include is exactly which types of entities should be linked (does this go on releases? recordings?), and some examples. I assume you plan to handle copyright dates through the standard AR date start/end fields? -- Calvin Walton calvin.wal...@kepstin.ca ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] Fwd: RFC: Copyright relationship
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 12:59 -0500, Calvin Walton wrote: On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 12:44 -0500, daniel. wrote: Expected expiration date: September 2013 (?) A standard RFC lasts for 2 weeks (assuming that you get a +1), so you would normally say January 17th. nikki on IRC just corrected me; standard RFC time is 1 week, not two. This is all documented on http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Proposals of course! -- Calvin Walton calvin.wal...@kepstin.ca ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
[mb-style] RFC: Copyright relationship
Expected expiration date: January 13, 2013 I think it's relevant for a music encyclopedia to have data about copyright and phonographic copyright: the copyright holders of a release or a recording (and its date). They can be the label or other entities, or the artist. I think most releases have that information, I don't see why MusicBrainz still doesn't have a relationship type for this. http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/STYLE-93 http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:DanBLOO/Copyright_Relationship_Type http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:DanBLOO/Phonographic_Copyright_Relationship_Type ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] RFC: Copyright relationship
Shouldn't start date indicate the year the copyright was taken out, and end date the year it expires (where available)? Also, I think this should also apply to works, not just recordings and releases. -- View this message in context: http://musicbrainz.1054305.n4.nabble.com/RFC-Copyright-relationship-tp4646352p4646353.html Sent from the MusicBrainz - Style mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] Adding language attribute to URLs
2013/1/3 Kuno Woudt k...@frob.nl Hello, On 01/03/2013 04:40 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: I like this idea. But if the filtering option is ever implemented, I'd definitely want to have a list of languages instead of only one: I'd like to get pages in French and English. I suppose I'm not the only one who'd want something like this. I don't want urls filtered, I want to see all of them. So personally I have no use for this attribute. I am not going to veto it or -1 it or anything, but I would like the default to stay the way it is now -- display all urls. This RFC is not about filtering, my remarks were kind of off topic. The idea of recording the language still makes sense without the filtering IMO. -- Frederic Da Vitoria (davitof) Membre de l'April - « promouvoir et défendre le logiciel libre » - http://www.april.org ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] RFC: Copyright relationship
On Jan 3, 2013, at 1:44 PM, daniel. wrote: I think it's relevant for a music encyclopedia to have data about copyright and phonographic copyright: the copyright holders of a release or a recording (and its date). They can be the label or other entities, or the artist. I think most releases have that information, I don't see why MusicBrainz still doesn't have a relationship type for this. Here is one consideration that we need to be careful of: Copyrights change and are sold frequently. In a quite a few cases, the data that is on the CD does not actually represent who owns the rights TODAY. It represents who owned the copyrights when this stuff was released. Because of this we need to make sure that the users of our data are aware of the fact that this data should not be used to make any kind of (royalty) payments. If money goes into the wrong hands because of our data, we can be held liable due to shitty US laws. That isn't to say that we can't do this, but we need a disclaimer on the pages that display the data and where people can download the data. -- --ruaok Robert Kaye -- r...@musicbrainz.org --http://musicbrainz.org ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] RFC STYLE-151: edit of relationship type
Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren wrote: I keep finding shortened edits and extracts of classical recordings and I have no way of linking them, so I'm going to send a proposal for this. It's pretty much the same that was discussed (but never specifically RFC'd) a few months ago by Salutaurs, except that I've removed digitalisations from the explicitly covered bits since there's no agreement on whether different transfers should or shouldn't be new recordings and that's part of a much bigger discussion I don't want to enter now :) This is on the wiki at http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Reosarevok/Edit_Relationship_Type and in Jira at http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/STYLE-151 Expected RFV date is Jan 10. +1 ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] RFC: Copyright relationship
So, should I include works in the proposal for this relationship? ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] RFC: Copyright relationship
I would say so - I don't see any reason why not, they can be copyrighted just as much as recordings... Another thing I thought of a minute ago - is it possible for a work or recordings to be copyrighted by different people/labels in different countries? ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] RFC: Copyright relationship
In my opinion, any new Copyright relationship needs to address the following, regardless of if it's a Recording or Release relationship: 1) clear distinction (at least two relationship types) between http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_symbol and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_recording_copyright_symbol . (Both are used) 2) ability to assign arbitrary years to the relationship. e.g., some albums may say (P)2003,2004,2006 Record Company, skipping 2005, depending on the old tracks included in the album. 3) ability to assign arbitrary countries to a single relationship. Recent example would be Gangnam Style, held by YG Entertainment in Korea, Schoolboy/Universal Republic Records, a division of UMG Recordings, Inc. in the United States and possibly other countries, but not all. Worldwide won't cut it here, e.g. the song was never released in Japan. (side note: Worldwide doesn't work well for Release Country either.) 4) bogus artists/labels. If we can't have Label Credits ala artist credits in these copyright relationships, we're going to be creating a lot of bogus labels (or artists?) to handle copyrights belonging to collections of People/Groups. This is extremely common in Japanese animation and games, e.g. 畑健二郎・小学館／HAYATE PROJECT・テレビ東京 ( http://www.hayate-project.com/image/index/copy.gif) 真島ヒロ・講談社／劇場版フェアリーテイル製作ギルド (http://fairytail-movie.com/top/) (P)2010 Nintendo / MONOLITHSOFT / (C)2010 Nintendo / MONOLITHSOFT / (C)2010 Septima Ley Co.,Ltd. Licensed by Nintendo (Xenoblade Original Soundtrack) The last example is the reason I don't believe it would be feasible to separate Nintendo, MONOLITH, and Septima Ley Co. into 3 separate relationships - there is clearly a joint copyright between between Nintendo and Monolith which Septima Ley is not related to - and is why I bothered typing out this warning about bogus artists, because I think the distinctions are probably important. Good luck to whoever's going to write (or implement) the proposal. On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Ben Ockmore ben.s...@gmail.com wrote: I would say so - I don't see any reason why not, they can be copyrighted just as much as recordings... Another thing I thought of a minute ago - is it possible for a work or recordings to be copyrighted by different people/labels in different countries? ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] RFC: Copyright relationship
My proposal is to have Copyright relationship type + Phonographic Copyright relationship subtype. I've added country attribute and works (copyright only) to the proposal wiki. ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] RFC STYLE-151: edit of relationship type
On Jan 3, 2013, at 9:22 AM, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren reosare...@gmail.com wrote: I keep finding shortened edits and extracts of classical recordings and I have no way of linking them, so I'm going to send a proposal for this. It's pretty much the same that was discussed (but never specifically RFC'd) a few months ago by Salutaurs, except that I've removed digitalisations from the explicitly covered bits since there's no agreement on whether different transfers should or shouldn't be new recordings and that's part of a much bigger discussion I don't want to enter now :) This is on the wiki at http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Reosarevok/Edit_Relationship_Type and in Jira at http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/STYLE-151 Expected RFV date is Jan 10. -- Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren I +1 this too. I run across this relationship a lot, especially in the cases of TV size versions or radio edits of songs. ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] RFC: Copyright relationship
On 01/03/2013 11:52 PM, Ben Ockmore wrote: I would say so - I don't see any reason why not, they can be copyrighted just as much as recordings... I'm not sure a work as we use it in musicbrainz is a copyrightable thing, it seems to abstract. You cannot copyright ideas, only expressions of ideas. So copyright needs something tangible, like published sheet music, recorded performances, etc. (the year in a copyright notice is the year of publication). This clearly fits with recordings and releases in musicbrainz, but I'm not convinced it applies to works as we use them. Another thing I thought of a minute ago - is it possible for a work or recordings to be copyrighted by different people/labels in different countries? I don't think so. It is common for different people or companies to have an exclusive license to exploit a copyright in a particular region, but that doesn't mean the copyright ownership is transferred to separate entities in different regions. -- kuno / warp. ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
