mutt on an IMAP-Server (dovecot): folder names and structure
Dear list, our E-mail-Server uses dovecot, which delivers mail to and from a folder containing subfolders names e.g. ~/Maildir/.lists.mutt-users. There are good reasons to use mutt directly on the machine from time to time. Unfortunately, these folder names aren't exactly suitable for mutt use. It works, but the leading dot is a pain, and tab completion only honours '/' as a delimiter for folders, not '.'. I have a complex shell script to maintain a symlink farm, but it's suboptimal and hackish. Do you have alternative approaches? I do not want to use mutt's IMAP for localhost access, nor do I want to set up offlineimap on localhost. How can I map the IMAP folder names to proper folder names arranged in a proper hierarchy (~/Maildir/.lists.mutt-users → ~/mail/lists/mutt-users)? Thanks for any comments, -- martin | http://madduck.net/ | http://two.sentenc.es/ the duration of passion is proportionate with the original resistance of the woman. -- honoré de balzac spamtraps: madduck.bo...@madduck.net digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current)
Re: change profile on the fly
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 09:50:15AM -0300, Marcelo Laia wrote: Hi, How I would change the current profile on the fly? I have 3 account and I would like to send mails with my username according to current account. maybe this approach is a bit rude, but: macro compose H 'enter-commandset sendmail=~/bin/msmtpQ -a hotmailenteredit-fromMarco Giusti marco.giu...@hotmail.comenteredit-reply-tomarco.giu...@hotmail.comenter' Send email with hotmail account macro compose G 'enter-commandset sendmail=~/bin/msmtpQ -a gmailenteredit-fromMarco Giusti marco.giu...@gmail.comenteredit-reply-tomarco.giu...@gmail.comenter' Send email with gmail account in addiction to some send-hooks. m.
Re: mutt on an IMAP-Server (dovecot): folder names and structure
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 01:07:36PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: Do you have alternative approaches? I do not want to use mutt's IMAP for localhost access, nor do I want to set up offlineimap on localhost. My home server runs a dovecot server, and I always use Mutt's IMAP to access folders locally; it works pretty well. Is there a special reason to not use this combination? -- Nicolas
Re: mutt on an IMAP-Server (dovecot): folder names and structure
also sprach Nicolas KOWALSKI nicolas.kowal...@gmail.com [2012.08.16.1757 +0200]: Is there a special reason to not use this combination? I find it slow and cumbersome to work with. -- martin | http://madduck.net/ | http://two.sentenc.es/ sobald man über niveau spricht ist man längst darüber hinweg. -- thomas krafft spamtraps: madduck.bo...@madduck.net digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current)
Re: mutt on an IMAP-Server (dovecot): folder names and structure
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 06:11:26PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Nicolas KOWALSKI nicolas.kowal...@gmail.com [2012.08.16.1757 +0200]: Is there a special reason to not use this combination? I find it slow and cumbersome to work with. For the slowness I activated the header cache feature (one file per folder): set header_cache=~/.hcache With this setup, on this server (Athlon XP 1500, 512M RAM), opening a 15k mails folder takes from 3 to 5 seconds. -- Nicolas
Re: mutt on an IMAP-Server (dovecot): folder names and structure
also sprach Nicolas KOWALSKI nicolas.kowal...@gmail.com [2012.08.16.1823 +0200]: For the slowness I activated the header cache feature (one file per folder): set header_cache=~/.hcache With this setup, on this server (Athlon XP 1500, 512M RAM), opening a 15k mails folder takes from 3 to 5 seconds. Hm, you are right, I just did set folder=imap://madduck@localhost/ and once I authenticated, it all seems to work. What do you do about the password? I don't want to store that in .muttrc! -- martin | http://madduck.net/ | http://two.sentenc.es/ quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur. spamtraps: madduck.bo...@madduck.net digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current)
Re: mutt on an IMAP-Server (dovecot): folder names and structure
also sprach martin f krafft madd...@madduck.net [2012.08.16.1829 +0200]: and once I authenticated, it all seems to work. (except for change-folder tab-completion) -- martin | http://madduck.net/ | http://two.sentenc.es/ no, 'eureka' is greek for 'this bath is too hot.' -- dr. who spamtraps: madduck.bo...@madduck.net digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current)
Re: mutt on an IMAP-Server (dovecot): folder names and structure
Hi, On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 06:29:42PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Nicolas KOWALSKI nicolas.kowal...@gmail.com [2012.08.16.1823 +0200]: For the slowness I activated the header cache feature (one file per folder): set header_cache=~/.hcache With this setup, on this server (Athlon XP 1500, 512M RAM), opening a 15k mails folder takes from 3 to 5 seconds. Hm, you are right, I just did set folder=imap://madduck@localhost/ and once I authenticated, it all seems to work. What do you do about the password? I don't want to store that in .muttrc! You could enter the password manually, of course. For me, a small shell script is does the trick that decrypts a file via gpg and echoes the necessary config directives into mutt. Bye, Thomas
Re: mutt on an IMAP-Server (dovecot): folder names and structure
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 06:29:42PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: What do you do about the password? I don't want to store that in .muttrc! I enter it manually. Thanks to screen, my mutt session never ends (until server reboot), so this is not a problem. -- Nicolas
Re: mutt on an IMAP-Server (dovecot): folder names and structure
I used to have my password in the .muttrc file; bad mistake (I found out after mailing my rc file to this list). After introducing it manually for awhile, I wrote it in a small file with restricted permissions (set imap_pass='my_password') which I source from the rc file (source ~/my/password/file). The password file is onle readable and writable by me. This setup is convenient, as I don't have to type my password every session, though that is not a big inconvenience. Would this be considered unsafe? Regards, Luis On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 06:36:11PM +0200, Thomas Wallrafen wrote: Hi, On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 06:29:42PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Nicolas KOWALSKI nicolas.kowal...@gmail.com [2012.08.16.1823 +0200]: ... What do you do about the password? I don't want to store that in .muttrc! You could enter the password manually, of course. For me, a small shell script is does the trick that decrypts a file via gpg and echoes the necessary config directives into mutt. Bye, Thomas -- o W. Luis Mochán, | tel:(52)(777)329-1734 /(*) Instituto de Ciencias Físicas, UNAM | fax:(52)(777)317-5388 `/ /\ Apdo. Postal 48-3, 62251 | (*)/\/ \ Cuernavaca, Morelos, México | moc...@fis.unam.mx /\_/\__/ O ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org
Re: mutt on an IMAP-Server (dovecot): folder names and structure
Hi, On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 11:50:24AM -0500, Luis Mochan wrote: I used to have my password in the .muttrc file; bad mistake (I found out after mailing my rc file to this list). After introducing it manually for awhile, I wrote it in a small file with restricted permissions (set imap_pass='my_password') which I source from the rc file (source ~/my/password/file). The password file is onle readable and writable by me. This setup is convenient, as I don't have to type my password every session, though that is not a big inconvenience. Would this be considered unsafe? You can surely do it this way. But, still, the file is in plaintext on the filesystem, which may be an attack vector. It all depends on your security needs. It would be a definitive no-go on a laptop with an unencrypted harddisk (but that does not seem to be the case for the OP, so it is off-topic here). Bye, Thomas On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 06:36:11PM +0200, Thomas Wallrafen wrote: Hi, On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 06:29:42PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Nicolas KOWALSKI nicolas.kowal...@gmail.com [2012.08.16.1823 +0200]: ... What do you do about the password? I don't want to store that in .muttrc! You could enter the password manually, of course. For me, a small shell script is does the trick that decrypts a file via gpg and echoes the necessary config directives into mutt. Bye, Thomas -- o W. Luis Mochán, | tel:(52)(777)329-1734 /(*) Instituto de Ciencias Físicas, UNAM | fax:(52)(777)317-5388 `/ /\ Apdo. Postal 48-3, 62251 | (*)/\/ \ Cuernavaca, Morelos, México | moc...@fis.unam.mx /\_/\__/ O ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org
Re: mutt on an IMAP-Server (dovecot): folder names and structure
also sprach Luis Mochan moc...@fis.unam.mx [2012.08.16.1850 +0200]: Would this be considered unsafe? To store the password clear-text in a file? Yes. -- martin | http://madduck.net/ | http://two.sentenc.es/ one should never do anything that one cannot talk about after dinner. -- oscar wilde spamtraps: madduck.bo...@madduck.net digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current)
Re: mutt on an IMAP-Server (dovecot): folder names and structure
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 06:29:42PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: What do you do about the password? I don't want to store that in .muttrc! Well, what *I* do is use Kerberos so I authenticate once when I login. Mutt (suitably configured) picks this up and gets the necessary ticket. But I'm crazy enough to run a complete Kerberos setup in my home. -- Mark H. Wood, Lead System Programmer mw...@iupui.edu Asking whether markets are efficient is like asking whether people are smart. pgpFWCH8wtoi8.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: mutt on an IMAP-Server (dovecot): folder names and structure
Hi martin! On Do, 16 Aug 2012, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Luis Mochan moc...@fis.unam.mx [2012.08.16.1850 +0200]: Would this be considered unsafe? To store the password clear-text in a file? Yes. What exactly is the problem with entering the password manually? regards, Christian -- Humor in the Court: Q: (Showing man picture.) That's you? A: Yes, sir. Q: And you were present when the picture was taken, right?
Re: mutt on an IMAP-Server (dovecot): folder names and structure
What exactly is the problem with entering the password manually? Laziness. Not a very strong reason, but I just wondered if restricting the permissions of the file would be enough protection. From the answers so far, I gather not. Related to my previous question, I have a text file, /etc/exim4/passwd.client with the password for accesing my 'smarthost' mail server from my laptop. I guess this presents similar risks. Best regards, Luis
Re: mutt on an IMAP-Server (dovecot): folder names and structure
Hi Martin, On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 01:07:36PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: our E-mail-Server uses dovecot, which delivers mail to and from a folder containing subfolders names e.g. ~/Maildir/.lists.mutt-users. There are good reasons to use mutt directly on the machine from time to time. Unfortunately, these folder names aren't exactly suitable for mutt use. It works, but the leading dot is a pain, and tab completion only honours '/' as a delimiter for folders, not '.'. I also use dovecot and this line in 10-mail.conf: | mail_location = maildir:%h/Maildir:LAYOUT=fs On the MTA side I got exim4 that drops into the INBOX or via .forward into the folders. On my hosting site I choose to simply use the dovecot LDA that will do the Sieve stuff and then save properly into folders. The only downside is of cause, that there are subfolders and namecollisions programmed if you use maildir-folders cur, new or tmp as foldernames. I for myself decided that the extra stuff needed to prevent this is nothing worth, as all my clients are german and would never come up with these foldernames. Hope it helps, Andre -- Andre Klärner Telefon: 0351/79666546 Fax: 0351/79688547 Mobil: 0172/9838653 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: mutt on an IMAP-Server (dovecot): folder names and structure
also sprach Christian Brabandt cbli...@256bit.org [2012.08.16.1937 +0200]: To store the password clear-text in a file? Yes. What exactly is the problem with entering the password manually? I don't know my password. I use asymmetric authentication everywhere, including IMAP, using a preauth-SSH-tunnel. -- martin | http://madduck.net/ | http://two.sentenc.es/ a bachelor is a man who never made the same mistake once. spamtraps: madduck.bo...@madduck.net digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current)
Re: mutt on an IMAP-Server (dovecot): folder names and structure
On Aug 16, 2012 at 08:29 PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Christian Brabandt cbli...@256bit.org [2012.08.16.1937 +0200]: I don't know my password. I use asymmetric authentication everywhere, including IMAP, using a preauth-SSH-tunnel. Out of curiosity, how do you implement this?
Re: mutt on an IMAP-Server (dovecot): folder names and structure
* martin f krafft madd...@madduck.net: also sprach Christian Brabandt cbli...@256bit.org [2012.08.16.1937 +0200]: To store the password clear-text in a file? Yes. What exactly is the problem with entering the password manually? I don't know my password. I use asymmetric authentication everywhere, including IMAP, using a preauth-SSH-tunnel. Haven't had time to look into this, but I kept it for something worthy to play with: http://www.df7cb.de/blog/2010/Using_multiple_IMAP_accounts_with_Mutt.html Putting passwords in configs isn't something I like, so I pull them from the Gnome keyring: set my_pw_example=`gnome-keyring-query get mutt_example` set my_pw_otherdomain=`gnome-keyring-query get mutt_otherdomain` account-hook example.org 'set imap_user=me imap_pass=$my_pw_example' account-hook otherdomain.tld 'set imap_user=myself imap_pass=$my_pw_otherdomain' Here's the tool: http://www.gentoo-wiki.info/HOWTO_Use_gnome-keyring_to_store_SSH_passphrases Maybe that's a way to go. p@rick -- Postfix - Einrichtung, Betrieb und Wartung http://www.postfix-buch.com saslfinger (debugging SMTP AUTH): http://postfix.state-of-mind.de/patrick.koetter/saslfinger/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: mutt on an IMAP-Server (dovecot): folder names and structure
also sprach Tim Gray lists+m...@protozoic.com [2012.08.16.2040 +0200]: Out of curiosity, how do you implement this? http://git.madduck.net/v/etc/offlineimap.git/blob/HEAD:/.offlineimaprc#l45 -- martin | http://madduck.net/ | http://two.sentenc.es/ consciousness: that annoying time between naps. spamtraps: madduck.bo...@madduck.net digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current)
Re: mutt on an IMAP-Server (dovecot): folder names and structure
also sprach Patrick Ben Koetter p...@state-of-mind.de [2012.08.16.2044 +0200]: Putting passwords in configs isn't something I like, so I pull them from the Gnome keyring: Not a bad idea, but now an attacker with access to the filesystem doesn't have to run 'cat ~/.muttrc' but 'gnome-keyring-query get mutt' instead. -- martin | http://madduck.net/ | http://two.sentenc.es/ fitter, healthier, more productive like a pig, in a cage, on antibiotics -- radiohead spamtraps: madduck.bo...@madduck.net digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current)
Re: mutt on an IMAP-Server (dovecot): folder names and structure
On Aug 16, 2012 at 08:58 PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: http://git.madduck.net/v/etc/offlineimap.git/blob/HEAD:/.offlineimaprc#l45 I see. Not something you'd probably be able to do if you didn't have login access to the IMAP server. Off topic - you must be the same Martin Krafft who went to Swarthmore. If so, we went there the same year.
Re: mutt on an IMAP-Server (dovecot): folder names and structure
* martin f krafft madd...@madduck.net: also sprach Patrick Ben Koetter p...@state-of-mind.de [2012.08.16.2044 +0200]: Putting passwords in configs isn't something I like, so I pull them from the Gnome keyring: Not a bad idea, but now an attacker with access to the filesystem doesn't have to run 'cat ~/.muttrc' but 'gnome-keyring-query get mutt' instead. If mutt can use a TLS client certificate, you can use that to auth against Dovecot. p@rick -- Postfix - Einrichtung, Betrieb und Wartung http://www.postfix-buch.com saslfinger (debugging SMTP AUTH): http://postfix.state-of-mind.de/patrick.koetter/saslfinger/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: mutt on an IMAP-Server (dovecot): folder names and structure
Hi Patrick, On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 09:10:18PM +0200, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: * martin f krafft madd...@madduck.net: also sprach Patrick Ben Koetter p...@state-of-mind.de [2012.08.16.2044 +0200]: Putting passwords in configs isn't something I like, so I pull them from the Gnome keyring: Not a bad idea, but now an attacker with access to the filesystem doesn't have to run 'cat ~/.muttrc' but 'gnome-keyring-query get mutt' instead. If mutt can use a TLS client certificate, you can use that to auth against Dovecot. Do you have a running setup that can use password and cert for one user? (e.g. via password for the webmail, and certificate for the MUA). Thanks, Andre -- Andre Klärner Telefon: 0351/79666546 Fax: 0351/79688547 Mobil: 0172/9838653 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: mutt on an IMAP-Server (dovecot): folder names and structure
Hi Martin, On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 09:01:16PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Patrick Ben Koetter p...@state-of-mind.de [2012.08.16.2044 +0200]: Putting passwords in configs isn't something I like, so I pull them from the Gnome keyring: Not a bad idea, but now an attacker with access to the filesystem doesn't have to run 'cat ~/.muttrc' but 'gnome-keyring-query get mutt' instead. isn't one of the purposes of gnome-keyring daemon to store the passwords encrypted on disk while they are unused and unlock that keyring once the user want's to do so? Btw: Does anyone have a cool setup that is less dependent on gnome? I'm using awesome for a while now and want to avoid more dependancies on gnome. Regards, Andre -- Andre Klärner Telefon: 0351/79666546 Fax: 0351/79688547 Mobil: 0172/9838653 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: mutt on an IMAP-Server (dovecot): folder names and structure
* Andre Klärner kan...@ak-online.be: Hi Patrick, On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 09:10:18PM +0200, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: * martin f krafft madd...@madduck.net: also sprach Patrick Ben Koetter p...@state-of-mind.de [2012.08.16.2044 +0200]: Putting passwords in configs isn't something I like, so I pull them from the Gnome keyring: Not a bad idea, but now an attacker with access to the filesystem doesn't have to run 'cat ~/.muttrc' but 'gnome-keyring-query get mutt' instead. If mutt can use a TLS client certificate, you can use that to auth against Dovecot. Do you have a running setup that can use password and cert for one user? (e.g. via password for the webmail, and certificate for the MUA). I have to apologize! Postfix can do that for sender, and looking at dovecots SSL params I assumed it can do that too, but reading through the docs http://wiki2.dovecot.org/PasswordDatabase it seems I was wrong. But IF we really wanted that Timo would probably implement it. I'd contribute € 250.-. p@rick -- Postfix - Einrichtung, Betrieb und Wartung http://www.postfix-buch.com saslfinger (debugging SMTP AUTH): http://postfix.state-of-mind.de/patrick.koetter/saslfinger/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: mutt on an IMAP-Server (dovecot): folder names and structure
On 16Aug2012 13:07, martin f krafft madd...@madduck.net wrote: | I have a complex shell script to maintain a symlink farm, but it's | suboptimal and hackish. I have a not very complex script; it uses the mutt tree as reference and makes symlinks for dovecot: https://bitbucket.org/cameron_simpson/css/src/tip/bin/mkdovecotmap Cheers, -- Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au ...the problem is not what is in front of the eyepiece but is often what is behind it. - Don Farra
Re: mutt on an IMAP-Server (dovecot): folder names and structure
On 16Aug2012 20:23, Andre Klärner kan...@ak-online.be wrote: | I also use dovecot and this line in 10-mail.conf: | | | mail_location = maildir:%h/Maildir:LAYOUT=fs Oh. Oh! -- Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au Motorcycles are like peanuts... who can stop at just one? - Zebee Johnstone ze...@zip.com.au aus.motorcycles Poser Permit #1
