Re: [Mutt] Hide a message?

2018-12-12 Thread Victor Sudakov

Mihai Lazarescu wrote:

On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 19:39:25 +0700, Victor Sudakov wrote:


Is there a way to hide a message (e.g. with a certain subject)
from view in a mailbox, without actually deleting it?


Limit to negated pattern does not work?

E.g., to see all messages *except* those with 'mutt' in subject:

 ! ~s mutt


It does work, but as I said in another mail, I use limiting 
interactively, so as soon as I limit the messages by some other 
criterion, the undesirable message will show.


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Victor Sudakov,  VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN
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Re: [Mutt] Hide a message?

2018-12-12 Thread Mihai Lazarescu

On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 19:39:25 +0700, Victor Sudakov wrote:


Is there a way to hide a message (e.g. with a certain subject)
from view in a mailbox, without actually deleting it?


Limit to negated pattern does not work?

E.g., to see all messages *except* those with 'mutt' in subject:

 ! ~s mutt

Mihai


Re: Hide a message?

2018-12-12 Thread Victor Sudakov

Claus Assmann wrote:



Is there a way to hide a message (e.g. with a certain subject) from view in
a mailbox, without actually deleting it?


Maybe this works:
  show only messages matching a pattern

Details can be found in the documentation.


Well, I often use limiting to show only useful messages in a mailbox 
(e.g. ~f from a certain person only, or ~s by subject). But it has 
never occured to me to use it for showing all messages but one.


Can scoring be used for hiding messages? I think not :-(

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Victor Sudakov,  VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN
2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/


Re: Hide a message?

2018-12-12 Thread Claus Assmann
On Wed, Dec 12, 2018, Victor Sudakov wrote:

> Is there a way to hide a message (e.g. with a certain subject) from view in
> a mailbox, without actually deleting it?

Maybe this works:
  show only messages matching a pattern

Details can be found in the documentation.


Hide a message?

2018-12-12 Thread Victor Sudakov

Dear Colleagues,

Is there a way to hide a message (e.g. with a certain subject) from 
view in a mailbox, without actually deleting it?


The dovecot IMAP server keeps its folder (mailbox) metadata as a 
pseudo-message. When I access those mboxes locally with mutt, I see 
this pseudo-message but I don't want to.


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Victor Sudakov,  VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN
2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/


Re: [Mutt] Re: [Mutt] Re: Group reply To-vs-Cc recipients

2018-12-12 Thread Mihai Lazarescu

On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 18:23:11 -0600, Derek Martin wrote:


On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 09:51:08AM -0800, Kevin J. McCarthy wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 05:29:01PM -0600, Derek Martin wrote:
> >  [...]since these are normally secondary recipients of the reply.
> >
> >It recomments Mutt's current behavior, for precisely the reasons I
> >gave in support of it.
>
> Okay, that's a good argument for keeping the default behavior as-is.
>
> But the "reason" supplied by the RFC, which I snipped to emphasize,
> is a bit weak.

I'm not sure why you think that.  You, just now, responded to
something I said.  Without the thing I said you have no purpose in
replying to the message.  Therefore principally, inherently, it is me
that you are responding to... no one else said the thing you're
responding to, only me.  I am the only principle recipient of your
message.  Everyone else who is a recipient, inherently, you are just
keeping in the loop, because they may be interested in your follow-up
to my message.  That's exactly the stated purpose of the Cc: line.
That is a fact, and it's a fact your mailer can easily deal with.


Both behaviours are useful, for distinct use cases.  An example:

1. Incoming: manager-to-team members, with team members in To: 
  + some recipients from aux services in Cc:.


  Replies from team members very likely should have only the 
  manager in To: and the rest in Cc:.


2. Incoming: manager-to-managers all at same level and all in 
  To: + some aux recipients in Cc: (e.g., secretaries)


  Replies from other managers should preserve the incoming 
  To:/Cc: distribution.


Technically, To: and Cc: deliver the message the same way. 
So the RFC could have discarded Cc: altogether.


However, Cc: is there exactly because of the carbon-copy era 
distinction between primary and secondary recipients, which 
matters in some use cases.


If and when the Cc:/To: distinction matters and how the 
recipients should be distributed between these fields is only 
environment- and user-specific.


The RFC or other static rules cannot determine it universally.

That's why the RFC and other MUAs allow both behaviours.

Mihai