Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers
Hi all! On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 10:43:40AM -0500, Derek D. Martin wrote: This is irrelevant. Over-quoting is inconsiderate, and affects everyone. It causes us to have to wade through a bunch of irrelevant garbage to get at (and often FIND) the author's point. Quoting out of context (i.e. writing your reply and then quoting the whole message after what you've written ) is also a problem, because it removes the context of the comment, increases ambiguity, and thereby makes it harder to get the author's point, and increases the likelihood that it will be misunderstood by a wide audience. Limiting what you quote to the point that you're trying to comment on, and commenting on it immediately afterward maximizes clarity, and helps to reduce ambiguity by making it very clear what the author was intending to comment ABOUT. I agree 100%!!! To quote mails in the right way is helpful for anyboody and not only for blind or visually handicapped persons. I'm a blind computeruser and I get mor then 1000 mails the day and its really not funny to grub thru this messages, if they are quoted badly. I don't need any special netiquette for blind or something like that, my screenreader is good enough to handle most things quite well. But it annoyes me if unnecesary techniques were used, to get very simple things working. For example javaskript or flash are often difficult to handle for blind linuxusers, but many persons using this crap to setup a simple website. It takes a lot of my time to handle things like this or reading bad quoted mails. Just my 0.2$ to this monsterthread ;-). Best regards, Schoepp -- Christian Schoepplein| http://www.lily-rockt.de [EMAIL PROTECTED]| http://www.lavish.de
Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers
Hi Nick! On Die, Jan 22, 2002 at 06:18:35 +0100, Nick Wilson wrote: I agree 100%!!! To quote mails in the right way is helpful for anyboody and not only for blind or visually handicapped persons. I'm a blind computeruser and I get mor then 1000 mails the day and its really not funny to grub thru this messages, if they are quoted badly. I don't need I don't think there's anyone who wouldn't agree with you on that point! You don't *read* 1000 messages a day do you :) Not every day, but sometimes I have to ;-). is good enough to handle most things quite well. But it annoyes me if unnecesary techniques were used, to get very simple things working. For example javaskript or flash are often difficult to handle for blind linuxusers, but many persons using this crap to setup a simple website. It And you can add hard coded font sizes in websites to that list, I know you can overide stylesheets but it's annoying to have to go to such lengths to read sites like cnn.com. No, the problem is, that I have to work on the textbased console if I want to use linux, becouse there is no screenreader (speech or brailleoutput) for totaly blind people which makes the grafical enviroment (kde etc.) accessible. So I have to use for example lynx to visit websites, but lynx has no support for javascript. There are windowsscreenreaders who can handle javascript (for example jaws), but I don't want to use windows to much ;-). Linux is a perfect system for blind computerusers and even if you are restricted on the textbased enviroment you can do many things better than on m$-systems und there are a lot of very good programms (for example mutt ;-)). There are only to big problems for my: The first is the webbrowser and the second is an officeaplication wich is compartible with the ms-office (I sometimes hav to write text in word for my job). Best regards, Schoepp -- Christian Schoepplein| http://www.lily-rockt.de [EMAIL PROTECTED]| http://www.lavish.de
Re: Bad Mail-Followup-To (was: mutt for blind computerusers)
Hi Vincent! On Don, Nov 29, 2001 at 01:01:31 +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: Christian, Your Mail-Followup-To header is broken: Mail-Followup-To: Christian Schoepplein [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] as [EMAIL PROTECTED] doesn't exist, though your From header is correct. I don't know what the reason is. Any idea? No plan, sorry... Perhaps your From header isn't correct but it is modified by your local MTA? In this case, you should set it with the my_hdr command in your muttrc. If you subscribed to the mailing-list, you should use the subscribe command too. Now I'm using the my_hdr, subscribe and lists command. I can do a listreplay which wasn't posible before. Best regards, Schoeppi -- Christian Schoepplein| http://www.lily-rockt.de [EMAIL PROTECTED]| http://www.lavish.de
mutt for blind computerusers
Hi, I'm a blind computeruser who wants to use mutt. Most things are working very fine, I had only to change a view settings in the standardconfiguration to get mutt working with my special screenreading software (suse-blinux) and hardware devices (brailledisplay and speechsynt). But one thing is very uncomfortable... When reading a mail, there is no cursor inside mutt's internal pager which makes it unposible for my screenreading software to read the message with the normal keyboard by using the arrowkeys for example. I have to use the keys on my brailledisplay and thats really stressfull ;-). What I'm looking for is a posibility to get a cursor inside the pager which is positioned on the first letter of the line. When opening a message the cursor should be in teh first line of the mail and it would be cool to scroll to the next line (for example by pressing the arrow-down-key) and so on, till the last line of the messagetext. It would be great to be able navigating on every line of the message with the cursor, then it shuld be no problem reading a message with my screenreading software. As far as I know mutt doesn't have a solution for my problem, but maybe I'm wrong ??? Perhaps anyone has a tip how I can solve the problem or maybe it is posible to ad a new feature to mutt, that brings a cursor in to the internal pager. Thanks in advance, Schoeppi -- Christian Schoepplein| http://www.lily-rockt.de [EMAIL PROTECTED]| http://www.lavish.de
