Re: Default mailbox display?

2001-01-21 Thread Daniel Freedman

On Fri, Jan 19, 2001, Dave Pearson wrote:
 Yes it does.
 
  to quote the docs:
  ---
  Note: new mail is detected by comparing the last modification time to
  the last access time. Utilities like biff or frm or any other program
  which accesses the mailbox might cause Mutt to never detect new mail
  for that mailbox if they do not properly reset the access time. Backup
  tools are another common reason for updated access times.
  ---
 
 That quote is informing you that if you allow other tools to modify the
 timestamps. It doesn't say that mutt's detection of mailboxes with new mail
 is unreliable.

Hi,

I'd like to follow up this conversation with a concrete question about
this new mail detection that has been bothering me for a bit:

I've never been able to have mutt inform me of new mail in my
mailboxes, which are filtered by procmail after being retreived from
the dept. mailhub by fetchmail (even though they're listed properly
with the mailbox command in my muttrc).  I'm mentioning this as I
don't think I'm encountering any of the noted access issues above as I
don't grep my mailbox files or otherwise touch them outside mutt and
the only backup script that the sysadmin tells us about runs at 5am
everyday (and I still can't see new mail at any time of the day).  My
only guess might be that I'm running on AFS, which doesn't seem to be
as extensively tested and I've encountered a few other mail
difficulties with AFS.

My mutt is now at 1.0.1i, and I'll try to convince the sysadmin to
upgrade to 1.25.  Could this version difference affect my not seeing
new mail marked, or maybe it's still present in the current release?
Am i correct to guess AFS?  Any other suggestions are much
appreciated.

Thanks so much,

Daniel


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Daniel A. Freedman
Laboratory for Atomic and Solid State Physics
Department of Physics
Cornell University



keeping folder/mailbox status state upon exit

2000-12-15 Thread Daniel Freedman

Hi,

Apologies upfront if this is well-known, but I searched mutt.org's FAQ
and manual, google's linux area , deja, etc. and came up completely
empty.

I'd very much like to be able to set a message's status to 'deleted',
but: without synchronizing my mailbox/folder so as to actually expunge
the message, I'd like to be able to either quit mutt or just change
folders, and have these messages' status be kept.  I'm sure that
others have similarly wanted to use some method like this especially
when tracking a high-volume mailing list, where I wouldn't want to
prematurely expunge messages I've deleted, or else future replies on
the list wouldn't obviously be threaded under the ones I've read.  I
could imagine using the OLD versus NEW flags to accomplish something
similar, but I'd prefer to be unanbiguous in my mind and use the
DELETE flag instead.

Thanks so much for the suggestions (just a pointer to the right
document would also be appreciated).

Take care,

Daniel


PS.  Please cc me on replies as I don't subscribe.  Thanks so much.

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Daniel A. Freedman
Laboratory for Atomic and Solid State Physics
Department of Physics
Cornell University



Re: keeping folder/mailbox status state upon exit

2000-12-15 Thread Daniel Freedman


David (and others on list),

Hi, again.  Thanks for the advice so far.  (I took your suggestion and
joined the list.)

So, I understand from you that what I had hoped to do is not possible
in mutt.  Instead, I think I'm going to turn the question now on its
head, question _my_ assumptions in reading mailing list mail and ask
for further advice :).

I come from pine (which I never liked) and mh (which I was quite fond
of, though not as much as mutt, but in any case isn't available in my
present computing environment; neither for that matter do the
sysadmins support IMAP for the workaround you propose; and I've found
some relatively easy things like procmail are hard here since I'm on
an AFS cell).  Anyway...

I'd appreciate your (and/or other peoples') suggestions for
efficiently dealing with high-traffic mailing lists (100+ messages per
day each).  I use to do digests in pine with the persistent delete
flags I was hoping for here, but now I find that mutt's threading of
messages, combined with procmail's sorting them into individual
inboxes per mailing list, allows me to be probably 5-10 times more
efficient in handling mail than the previous digest way (and
_especially_ simplifies replying to such mail).

But, how do most people handle keeping track of which mail has been
read? flags? old/new?  Or what else can people suggest to further ease
things?

Thanks so very much for any and all replies.

Take care,

Daniel


On Fri, Dec 15, 2000, David T-G wrote:
 Daniel --
 
 ...and then Daniel Freedman said...
 % Hi,
 
 Hello!
 
 
 % 
 % Apologies upfront if this is well-known, but I searched mutt.org's FAQ
 % and manual, google's linux area , deja, etc. and came up completely
 % empty.
 % 
 % I'd very much like to be able to set a message's status to 'deleted',
 % but: without synchronizing my mailbox/folder so as to actually expunge
 ...
 % similar, but I'd prefer to be unanbiguous in my mind and use the
 % DELETE flag instead.
 
 While that makes some sense, and I can understand your thoughts about
 threading becoming messy, that is not available in mutt.  You can either
 quit or change and that will both sync your mailbox and mark items as old
 if you have mark_old set or you can just sync (bound by default to $) to
 write flag settings and purge deleted items, but there's no way to keep
 them around.
 
 
 % 
 % Thanks so much for the suggestions (just a pointer to the right
 % document would also be appreciated).
 
 All I can suggest is that you read your mail through an IMAP connection,
 which apparently does allow you to store a 'D'elete flag across sessions.
 
 You might, though it's somewhat messy, whip up a macro that sets the
 X-Label: field to anything you wish; you could later go back and limit
 your view to just those messages and then truly delete them.  You can
 even display the X-Label field in your index, so you could just make it
 'D' and have another status-like column to show you what is what.  If I
 were to do that, though, I'd probably set the field to something like the
 day of the month or even the julian day and then delete only the oldest
 marked messages.
 
 
 % 
 % Take care,
 
 HTH  HAND
 
 
 % 
 % Daniel
 % 
 % 
 % PS.  Please cc me on replies as I don't subscribe.  Thanks so much.
 
 Ah, but you should ;-)
 
 
 % 
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 % Daniel A. Freedman
 % Laboratory for Atomic and Solid State Physics
 % Department of Physics
 % Cornell University
 
 
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Daniel A. Freedman
Laboratory for Atomic and Solid State Physics
Department of Physics
Cornell University