Re: Mutt on Macbook
On Friday, 19 December 2008 at 16:02, Brendan Cully wrote: > On Friday, 19 December 2008 at 18:56, Joseph wrote: > > Getting started with a Mac and being spoiled with Debian, > > > > I tried Macports to get mutt. > > > > But I got an old version. > > > > How do I get a current copy, and how do I stay current on it? > > > > ( I still use Debian as well and like it very much. ) > > I maintain the fink package. fink has apt, like debian. And like > debian, "unstable" really isn't. I'd recommend fink, with the todai > apt repository. By the way, one big advantage fink has over macports is a binary repository. To your /sw/etc/apt/sources.list file, add deb http://fink.sodan.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp/apt/10.5 unstable main crypto and you can use apt-get to install prebuilt packages, just like in debian or ubuntu. To the best of my knowledge, macports requires you to compile your own versions of each package you use. This can often take longer than you think, because building a package can produce a huge chain of recursive dependencies. (Building from source is at least as slow in fink, but only if you don't use the todai repository above). I've used both fink and macports (more fink though), and I don't think the differences are all that striking otherwise. Macports has a nice variant syntax, whereas fink just compiles the kitchen sink into each package. On the other hand, I do like the debian package machinery that underlies fink, and I _love_ having a binary distribution available.
Re: Mutt on Macbook
On 12/23/08, Kyle Wheeler wrote: > On Monday, December 22 at 11:47 AM, quoth Joseph: > >Ah, that is looking/sounding better. > > > >Now, if I can figure out what string should be sent. > > > >It lets me control the scroll bar or send a string. > > The string you want is the one listed for shift-home/shift-end/etc. > Apple just switched shift-home and home (and the same with the > others). > > ~Kyle Thanks Kyle, that is what I needed. So on the 13.3 macbook, you press Shift+FN+RightArrow to get a END sent to your ssh/mutt or whatever terminal. There is another sort of END too, and that is FN+RightArrow, but this works different in different windows. Likely this would work on iTerm as well. Maybe someone can confirm. -- respectfully, Joseph signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Mutt on Macbook
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday, December 22 at 11:47 AM, quoth Joseph: >Ah, that is looking/sounding better. > >Now, if I can figure out what string should be sent. > >It lets me control the scroll bar or send a string. The string you want is the one listed for shift-home/shift-end/etc. Apple just switched shift-home and home (and the same with the others). ~Kyle - -- He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice. -- Albert Einstein -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Thank you for using encryption! iD8DBQFJUZXPBkIOoMqOI14RAqtAAJwK4P8LMOeBWQ55f0guLov8Udf9rgCg4p8X FSTevWun//ud3K3yUzQD0fM= =onjB -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Mutt on Macbook
On 23Dec2008 02:46, Greg Darke wrote: | On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 06:15:43AM -0500, Joseph wrote: | > What I would like is the real home/end keys. The Fn+left/right make the | > window go to the bottom or top via its local buffer. | > | > But say viewing an email in mutt that is long, you can't pgdn/pgup or | > get to the bottom of the message by pressing END as you can normally. | > | > Is there a way to do this with the Macbook/13.3 laptop? | | I have found that iTerm (http://iterm.sourceforge.net/download.shtml, | and grab the CVS build) has better terminal emulation than the build in | Terminal.app. I run iTerm too. It has a bunch of nice features including the recent "blur" mode for its transparency which makes underlying stuff less distracting. There doesn't seem to be fine grained keystroke control though. And it feels a little "slower" than Terminal. Cheers, -- Cameron Simpson DoD#743 http://www.cskk.ezoshosting.com/cs/
Re: Mutt on Macbook
On 12/22/08, Greg Darke wrote: > On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 06:15:43AM -0500, Joseph wrote: > > What I would like is the real home/end keys. The Fn+left/right make the > > window go to the bottom or top via its local buffer. > > > > But say viewing an email in mutt that is long, you can't pgdn/pgup or > > get to the bottom of the message by pressing END as you can normally. > > > > Is there a way to do this with the Macbook/13.3 laptop? > > I have found that iTerm (http://iterm.sourceforge.net/download.shtml, > and grab the CVS build) has better terminal emulation than the build in > Terminal.app. I tested this but it does not fix the key problem... -- respectfully, Joseph signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Mutt on Macbook
On 12/22/08, Kyle Wheeler wrote: > On Monday, December 22 at 06:15 AM, quoth Joseph: > >> The arrow keys on the bottom right on you keyboard; for home/end > >> you have to press Fn+left/right (Fn -> bottom left of keyboard). > > > > What I would like is the real home/end keys. The Fn+left/right make the > > window go to the bottom or top via its local buffer. > > Ahhh, you're using Apple Terminal. All you need to do to get those to > behave in a more unix-ey way is to change your terminal settings. For > example, on OS X 10.4, under the Terminal menu, you select "Window > Settings...". In the dialog box that comes up, select "Keyboard" from > the drop-down menu at the top, and from there you can change what the > home/end/pageup/pagedown keys do. In OS X 10.5 you can do the same > thing, but they rearranged how the preferences work. I don't have a > 10.5 machine handy, but I use them regularly, and I've done the same > thing to them - you'll just have to poke around. > > Anyway, by default, like you say, Apple chose to make the > home/end/etc. keys work in the Terminal the way they work in other > applications: they manipulate the scroll bar. But it's relatively easy > to change them; it's just a preference setting in the Terminal > program. Ah, that is looking/sounding better. Now, if I can figure out what string should be sent. It lets me control the scroll bar or send a string. -- respectfully, Joseph signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Mutt on Macbook
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday, December 22 at 06:15 AM, quoth Joseph: >> The arrow keys on the bottom right on you keyboard; for home/end >> you have to press Fn+left/right (Fn -> bottom left of keyboard). > > What I would like is the real home/end keys. The Fn+left/right make the > window go to the bottom or top via its local buffer. Ahhh, you're using Apple Terminal. All you need to do to get those to behave in a more unix-ey way is to change your terminal settings. For example, on OS X 10.4, under the Terminal menu, you select "Window Settings...". In the dialog box that comes up, select "Keyboard" from the drop-down menu at the top, and from there you can change what the home/end/pageup/pagedown keys do. In OS X 10.5 you can do the same thing, but they rearranged how the preferences work. I don't have a 10.5 machine handy, but I use them regularly, and I've done the same thing to them - you'll just have to poke around. Anyway, by default, like you say, Apple chose to make the home/end/etc. keys work in the Terminal the way they work in other applications: they manipulate the scroll bar. But it's relatively easy to change them; it's just a preference setting in the Terminal program. ~Kyle - -- Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you. -- Pericles (430 BC) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Thank you for using encryption! iEYEARECAAYFAklPvqUACgkQBkIOoMqOI151UwCdGYdZ7M3WWdPbfcCbFBpyZBsN YT8An2PAmVAKUY48woZ3J7o2G98SQ/D0 =mMwy -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Mutt on Macbook
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 06:15:43AM -0500, Joseph wrote: > What I would like is the real home/end keys. The Fn+left/right make the > window go to the bottom or top via its local buffer. > > But say viewing an email in mutt that is long, you can't pgdn/pgup or > get to the bottom of the message by pressing END as you can normally. > > Is there a way to do this with the Macbook/13.3 laptop? I have found that iTerm (http://iterm.sourceforge.net/download.shtml, and grab the CVS build) has better terminal emulation than the build in Terminal.app. -- Greg Darke pgpKyMjQmh323.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mutt on Macbook
On 12/20/08, Christian Ebert wrote: > * Joseph on Saturday, December 20, 2008 at 08:10:39 -0500 > > Also, how does one get the end, home, page+up, page+down keys on a > > macbook that does not have those keys? > > The arrow keys on the bottom right on you keyboard; for home/end > you have to press Fn+left/right (Fn -> bottom left of keyboard). What I would like is the real home/end keys. The Fn+left/right make the window go to the bottom or top via its local buffer. But say viewing an email in mutt that is long, you can't pgdn/pgup or get to the bottom of the message by pressing END as you can normally. Is there a way to do this with the Macbook/13.3 laptop? -- respectfully, Joseph signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Mutt on Macbook
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 08:10:39AM -0500, Joseph wrote: > On 12/19/08, Marc Vaillant wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 06:56:38PM -0500, Joseph wrote: > > > Getting started with a Mac and being spoiled with Debian, > > > > > > I tried Macports to get mutt. > > > > > > But I got an old version. > > > > > > How do I get a current copy, and how do I stay current on it? > > > > > > > > > port install mutt-devel > > > > That will get you 1.5.18 > > > > In general, I think that you will find that macports packages are better > > maintained than fink. > > Great, thanks for the answers. In case someone else is learning, it > seems you need to do sudo port install mutt-devel +imap +headercache +ssl > > Note the spaces needed. Sorry, typo. Space should only be needed between the package name and the variants: sudo port install mutt-devel +imap+headercache+ssl Marc
Re: Mutt on Macbook
* Joseph on Saturday, December 20, 2008 at 08:10:39 -0500 > Also, how does one get the end, home, page+up, page+down keys on a > macbook that does not have those keys? The arrow keys on the bottom right on you keyboard; for home/end you have to press Fn+left/right (Fn -> bottom left of keyboard). > Changing the emulation from xterm-colors to xterm got the F2 etc keys > working. I have checked System Preferences->Keyboard & Mouse->Keyboard-> Use all F1, F2, etc. keys as standard function keys Otherwise press Fn-F1 etc. c -- \black\trash movie_C O W B O Y_ _C A N O E_ _C O M A_ Ein deutscher Western/A German Western -->> http://www.blacktrash.org/underdogma/ccc.html -->> http://www.blacktrash.org/underdogma/ccc-en.html
Re: Mutt on Macbook
On 12/19/08, Marc Vaillant wrote: > On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 06:56:38PM -0500, Joseph wrote: > > Getting started with a Mac and being spoiled with Debian, > > > > I tried Macports to get mutt. > > > > But I got an old version. > > > > How do I get a current copy, and how do I stay current on it? > > > > > port install mutt-devel > > That will get you 1.5.18 > > In general, I think that you will find that macports packages are better > maintained than fink. Great, thanks for the answers. In case someone else is learning, it seems you need to do sudo port install mutt-devel +imap +headercache +ssl Note the spaces needed. Also, how does one get the end, home, page+up, page+down keys on a macbook that does not have those keys? Changing the emulation from xterm-colors to xterm got the F2 etc keys working. Thanks. -- respectfully, Joseph signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Mutt on Macbook
Marc Vaillant wrote: > On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 06:56:38PM -0500, Joseph wrote: > > Getting started with a Mac and being spoiled with Debian, > > > > I tried Macports to get mutt. > > > > But I got an old version. > > > > How do I get a current copy, and how do I stay current on it? > > > > port install mutt-devel > > That will get you 1.5.18 > > In general, I think that you will find that macports packages are better > maintained than fink. +1 for this advice. MacPorts are, in my experience, far superior to Fink. -- Sahil Tandon
Re: Mutt on Macbook
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 06:56:38PM -0500, Joseph wrote: > Getting started with a Mac and being spoiled with Debian, > > I tried Macports to get mutt. > > But I got an old version. > > How do I get a current copy, and how do I stay current on it? > port install mutt-devel That will get you 1.5.18 In general, I think that you will find that macports packages are better maintained than fink. To see the available add on features port variants mutt-devel which gives: idn: Internationalized Domain Name support pop: POP support imap: IMAP support ssl: Secure Sockets Layer support sasl: Simple Authentication and Security Layer support debug: Debugging support gnuregex: Use the GNU regular expression library compress: Compressed folders headercache: Enable header caching (requires gdbm or qdbm) qdbm: Use QDBM database gdbm: Use GNU dbm database db4: Use Berkeley DB database nntp: NNTP support deepif: Allow nested if-else sequences in strings date_conditional: Allow the format of dates in the index to vary based on how recent the message is xlabel: Custom message-tagging - X-Label: smtp: Include internal SMTP relay support trash: Add a Trash folder sidebar: Add a sidebar with a list of folders gpgme: Enable GPGME crypto support So for example to add imap, headercache, and ssl support do port install mutt-devel+imap+headercache+ssl Best, Marc
Re: Mutt on Macbook
On Friday, 19 December 2008 at 18:56, Joseph wrote: > Getting started with a Mac and being spoiled with Debian, > > I tried Macports to get mutt. > > But I got an old version. > > How do I get a current copy, and how do I stay current on it? > > ( I still use Debian as well and like it very much. ) I maintain the fink package. fink has apt, like debian. And like debian, "unstable" really isn't. I'd recommend fink, with the todai apt repository.
Mutt on Macbook
Getting started with a Mac and being spoiled with Debian, I tried Macports to get mutt. But I got an old version. How do I get a current copy, and how do I stay current on it? ( I still use Debian as well and like it very much. ) -- respectfully, Joseph signature.asc Description: Digital signature
