Re: maildirs with both mail and other maildirs in them
On Fri, May 19, 2000 at 09:52:19AM +0100, Chris Green wrote: I have a maildir which has mail delivered to it directly (i.e. it has cur, new and tmp directories in it) but it also has other maildir folders in it. Mutt doesn't seem to be able to cope with this at all, am I missing something or is it just not possible to handle this with mutt? AFAIK you are not missing anything, although I'm not sure unable "to cope with this at all" is totally accurate. I expect that if you give mutt an explicit path to open it do so just fine. My guess is that your problem is when trying to browse to the subdirectories? Perhaps you (or anyone else reading this) can answer a related question I have been wondering about for quite a while. Why on earth would you want to put directories other than cur/new/tmp in a maildir? This seems really broken to me. My understanding is that maildirs are directories which contain cur/new/tmp, not directories containing cur/new/tmp plus N other unrelated directories to confuse things. My guess from past posts is that you are doing this because Courier IMAP forces you to do so. Personally I think Courier is defective in this regard, but the rest of my rant on that subject doesn't belong on this list. IIRC courier also insists on beginning those directories with a ".", which probably doesn't hurt mutt, but can't help. Back to trying to provide constructive suggestions, how well does Courier handle symlinks? I've never tried this, but could you move your subfolders elsewhere and symlink to them? Or could you symlink to those folders from elsewhere for mutt's benefit? IMAP servers may chose not to follow symlinks for security reasons, but mutt shouldn't have any trouble following symlinks. This isn't the most elegant solution, but I don't have any better suggestions. Brian
Re: maildirs with both mail and other maildirs in them
On Fri, May 19, 2000 at 02:28:17AM -0700, Brian D. Winters wrote: On Fri, May 19, 2000 at 09:52:19AM +0100, Chris Green wrote: I have a maildir which has mail delivered to it directly (i.e. it has cur, new and tmp directories in it) but it also has other maildir folders in it. Mutt doesn't seem to be able to cope with this at all, am I missing something or is it just not possible to handle this with mutt? AFAIK you are not missing anything, although I'm not sure unable "to cope with this at all" is totally accurate. I expect that if you give mutt an explicit path to open it do so just fine. My guess is that your problem is when trying to browse to the subdirectories? Yes, that's right of course, I expect you can go directly to a 'folder in a maildir', but then you nee to know its name of course. Perhaps you (or anyone else reading this) can answer a related question I have been wondering about for quite a while. Why on earth would you want to put directories other than cur/new/tmp in a maildir? This seems really broken to me. My understanding is that maildirs are directories which contain cur/new/tmp, not directories containing cur/new/tmp plus N other unrelated directories to confuse things. Because it can make a lot of sense to organise one's mail like this, for example I get a lot of E-mail from contract agents, so I create a folder called 'agents'. After a while I get so much mail in this folder that I want to split out the mail from one or two of the agents, say fred and jim so I create folders *in* the agents folder for fred and jim. All the other agents' mail still goes to ~/agents/ but fred's and jim's mail goes to ~/agents/fred/ and ~/agents/jim/. From the user's point of view this makes a great deal of sense I think. My guess from past posts is that you are doing this because Courier IMAP forces you to do so. Personally I think Courier is defective in this regard, but the rest of my rant on that subject doesn't belong on this list. IIRC courier also insists on beginning those directories with a ".", which probably doesn't hurt mutt, but can't help. I'd really like Courier to not use that preceding '.' too. However it doesn't *actually* create folders in the same directory as a maildir except in the top level inbox. The 'hierarchy' of folders is created by its naming convention, the above example would create the following maildirs in the inbox:- .agents .agents.fred .agents.jim Back to trying to provide constructive suggestions, how well does Courier handle symlinks? I've never tried this, but could you move your subfolders elsewhere and symlink to them? Or could you symlink to those folders from elsewhere for mutt's benefit? IMAP servers may chose not to follow symlinks for security reasons, but mutt shouldn't have any trouble following symlinks. This isn't the most elegant solution, but I don't have any better suggestions. Yes, this is the way I first looked into and it can be made to work, I started on a script to automatically create the symlinks. However I decided it's probably easier just to access the mail using the IMAP server 'locally', especially since I've gone through all the recent process of working out how to switch easily from browsing IMAP folders to browsing local folders. The other thing that I've done to simplify my life is to separate my Courier inbox (which I've renamed to imap) from the default inbox which procmail uses for delivering mail other then mail which it has filtered. In fact I may well switch procmail back to delivering in mbox format because (as another thread here has noted) mbox format folders show more useful information in the browser. -- Chris Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.isbd.co.uk/
Re: maildirs with both mail and other maildirs in them
On Fri, May 19, 2000 at 10:58:16AM +0100, Chris Green wrote: and jim. All the other agents' mail still goes to ~/agents/ but fred's and jim's mail goes to ~/agents/fred/ and ~/agents/jim/. From the user's point of view this makes a great deal of sense I think. IMHO agents/fred, agents/jim agents/other make more sense. Using this style the problem with the dir. name is gone. SCNR Frank
Re: maildirs with both mail and other maildirs in them
On Fri, May 19, 2000 at 03:54:26PM +0200, Frank Derichsweiler wrote: On Fri, May 19, 2000 at 10:58:16AM +0100, Chris Green wrote: and jim. All the other agents' mail still goes to ~/agents/ but fred's and jim's mail goes to ~/agents/fred/ and ~/agents/jim/. From the user's point of view this makes a great deal of sense I think. IMHO agents/fred, agents/jim agents/other make more sense. Using this style the problem with the dir. name is gone. Maybe, maybe not, it's surely up to the user and how s/he sees the world. It's not unusual to find a number of files and some loose papers in a section in a filing cabinet, this is analogous. -- Chris Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.isbd.co.uk/
Re: maildirs with both mail and other maildirs in them
Chris -- ...and then Chris Green said... % % It's not unusual to find a number of files and some loose papers in a % section in a filing cabinet, this is analogous. Oh, gawd -- next you'll want a GUI with little drawer icons ;-) % % -- % Chris Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) % Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] % WWW: http://www.isbd.co.uk/ :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.bigfoot.com/~davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! The "new millennium" starts at the beginning of 2001. There was no year 0. Note: If bigfoot.com gives you fits, try sector13.org in its place. *sigh* PGP signature
Re: maildirs with both mail and other maildirs in them
David T-G proclaimed on mutt-users that: % It's not unusual to find a number of files and some loose papers in a % section in a filing cabinet, this is analogous. Oh, gawd -- next you'll want a GUI with little drawer icons ;-) MacMutt? g,dr -- Suresh Ramasubramanian | sureshr at staff.juno.com Are you a turtle?
