Send-hook is Lazy
Hi, I have set up my mailing lists to different addresses. To make it easier to write mails, I have this line in my mutt.rc, and similar lines for other mailing lists: send-hook '~t [EMAIL PROTECTED]' 'set [EMAIL PROTECTED]' However, this hook seems to catch too late, i.e. I see the result of every hook of this kind only in the mail *after* the one the hook is made for. For example, this mail (the first I write with this instance of Mutt) will have my local user@hostname (despite the send-hook . 'set [EMAIL PROTECTED]' in my mutt.rc), the next mail will have [EMAIL PROTECTED] preset. So what is the thing I don't understand here? I don't ususally edit-header. Thorsten -- Freedom to be an idiot is part of freedom in general.
Send-hook is Lazy
Hi, I have set up my mailing lists to different addresses. To make it easier to write mails, I have this line in my mutt.rc, and similar lines for other mailing lists: send-hook '~t [EMAIL PROTECTED]' 'set [EMAIL PROTECTED]' However, this hook seems to catch too late, i.e. I see the result of every hook of this kind only in the mail *after* the one the hook is made for. For example, this mail (the first I write with this instance of Mutt) will have my local user@hostname (despite the send-hook . 'set [EMAIL PROTECTED]' in my mutt.rc), the next mail will have [EMAIL PROTECTED] preset. So what is the thing I don't understand here? I don't ususally edit-header. Thorsten -- It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity. - Albert Einstein
Re: Send-hook is Lazy
Thorsten -- ...and then Thorsten Haude said... % % Hi, Hello! % % I have set up my mailing lists to different addresses. To make it % easier to write mails, I have this line in my mutt.rc, and similar % lines for other mailing lists: % send-hook '~t [EMAIL PROTECTED]' 'set [EMAIL PROTECTED]' Makes sense. % % However, this hook seems to catch too late, i.e. I see the result of % every hook of this kind only in the mail *after* the one the hook is % made for. % For example, this mail (the first I write with this instance of Mutt) % will have my local user@hostname (despite the % send-hook . 'set [EMAIL PROTECTED]' % in my mutt.rc), the next mail will have [EMAIL PROTECTED] preset. A ha! % % So what is the thing I don't understand here? % % I don't ususally edit-header. Perhaps the difference is that I use my_hdr instead of $from. From my muttrc file: send-hook . unmy_hdr From: send-hook . my_hdr From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David T-G) send-hook (spamcop|(submit|quick).[a-z0-9]*)@.*spamcop.net'unset pgp_autosign ; set editor=/bin/true signature= ; my_hdr Fcc: /dev/null ; my_hdr From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]' send-hook supremegall my_hdr From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David T-G) send-hook muttmy_hdr From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David T-G) send-hook remind my_hdr From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David T-G) send-hook vim my_hdr From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David T-G) send-hook win4lin my_hdr From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David T-G) send-hook secureshell my_hdr From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David T-G) It might, I suppose, also be the leading unmy_hdr call... % % Thorsten % -- % Freedom to be an idiot is part of freedom in general. HTH & HAND & Happy New Year to all :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg22115/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Send-hook is Lazy
Hi, * David T-G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-01-02 16:16]: >% I have set up my mailing lists to different addresses. To make it >% easier to write mails, I have this line in my mutt.rc, and similar >% lines for other mailing lists: >% send-hook '~t [EMAIL PROTECTED]' 'set [EMAIL PROTECTED]' >Makes sense. Yes, especially considering that I forgot to change it even in this very mail the first time. >% For example, this mail (the first I write with this instance of Mutt) >% will have my local user@hostname (despite the >% send-hook . 'set [EMAIL PROTECTED]' >% in my mutt.rc), the next mail will have [EMAIL PROTECTED] preset. >A ha! Uh? Something wrong here? >Perhaps the difference is that I use my_hdr instead of $from. Maybe, but before I try that, I would like to hear an explanation why the $from solution doesn't work. > send-hook . unmy_hdr From: > send-hook . my_hdr From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David T-G) > >It might, I suppose, also be the leading unmy_hdr call... That shouldn't really change things. Do you see a difference if you leave it out? Thorsten -- Omnis enim res, quae quando non deficit, dum habetur et non datur, nondum habetur, quomodo habenda est. - Aurelius Augustinus
Re: Send-hook is Lazy
Thorsten Haude muttered: > I have this line in my mutt.rc > send-hook '~t [EMAIL PROTECTED]' 'set [EMAIL PROTECTED]' > > However, this hook seems to catch too late, i.e. I see the result of > every hook of this kind only in the mail *after* the one the hook is > made for. That's because $from is changed just at the time to send the mail out. And that is what send-hook is all about isn't it? $from had the old value when you composed it. The next mail you send honers the new $from setting. set realname="Thorsten Haude" set from="[EMAIL PROTECTED]" set use_from set envelope_from send-hook . 'unmy_hdr From:' send-hook '~t [EMAIL PROTECTED]' 'my_hdr From: Thorsten Haude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>' The above should do what you want. HTH, Michael -- PGP-Key: http://www-stud.ims.uni-stuttgart.de/~tatgeml/public.key
Re: Send-hook is Lazy
Thorsten -- ...and then Thorsten Haude said... % % Hi, Hello! % % * David T-G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-01-02 16:16]: % >% I have set up my mailing lists to different addresses. To make it % >% easier to write mails, I have this line in my mutt.rc, and similar % >% lines for other mailing lists: % >% send-hook '~t [EMAIL PROTECTED]' 'set [EMAIL PROTECTED]' % >Makes sense. % Yes, especially considering that I forgot to change it even in this % very mail the first time. *grin* It is, indeed, easy to do. % % >% For example, this mail (the first I write with this instance of Mutt) % >% will have my local user@hostname (despite the % >% send-hook . 'set [EMAIL PROTECTED]' % >% in my mutt.rc), the next mail will have [EMAIL PROTECTED] preset. % >A ha! % Uh? Something wrong here? Not wrong, but different. % % >Perhaps the difference is that I use my_hdr instead of $from. % Maybe, but before I try that, I would like to hear an explanation why % the $from solution doesn't work. I trust that Michael's answer suffices. I'm not entirely sure I believe it, since I should think that a my_hdr command would have the same precedence as a set command but he argues that they're changed at different times, but it's farther than I've gone into the matter :-) % % > send-hook .unmy_hdr From: % > send-hook .my_hdr From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David T-G) % > % >It might, I suppose, also be the leading unmy_hdr call... % That shouldn't really change things. Do you see a difference if you % leave it out? I haven't tried it. I set it up this way originally because I tend to be compulsive like that. % % Thorsten % -- % Omnis enim res, quae quando non deficit, dum habetur % et non datur, nondum habetur, quomodo habenda est. % - Aurelius Augustinus HTH & HAND & Happy New Year to all :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg22154/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Send-hook is Lazy
Hi, * Michael Tatge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-01-03 09:35]: >Thorsten Haude muttered: >> I have this line in my mutt.rc >> send-hook '~t [EMAIL PROTECTED]' 'set [EMAIL PROTECTED]' >> >> However, this hook seems to catch too late, i.e. I see the result of >> every hook of this kind only in the mail *after* the one the hook is >> made for. >That's because $from is changed just at the time to send the mail out. >And that is what send-hook is all about isn't it? Well, it could mean /before/ sending it or /after/ sending it. I even wonder why I never noticed one of the send-hooks hooking. Must be working perfectly. >$from had the old value when you composed it. The next mail you send >honers the new $from setting. Whatever, I see now where the problem is and will switch to my_hdrs. Thanks! Thorsten -- Nobody will ever need more than 640 kB RAM. -- Bill Gates, 1983 Windows XP requires 64 MB RAM. -- Bill Gates, 2001 Nobody will ever need Windows XP. -- logical conclusion
Re: Send-hook is Lazy
Hi, * David T-G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-01-03 11:25]: >% >Perhaps the difference is that I use my_hdr instead of $from. >% Maybe, but before I try that, I would like to hear an explanation why >% the $from solution doesn't work. >I trust that Michael's answer suffices. I'm not entirely sure I believe >it, since I should think that a my_hdr command would have the same >precedence as a set command but he argues that they're changed at >different times, but it's farther than I've gone into the matter :-) Wait... what was I thinking. You're right, I don't even touch the send-hook part, I only change the command. Well done, David, now I'm back to step one, $from-wise. Why is 'set from=' different from 'my_hdr From: '? Thorsten -- Das Briefgeheimnis sowie das Post- und Fernmeldegeheimnis sind unverletzlich. - Grundgesetz, Artikel 10, Abs. 1
Re: Send-hook is Lazy
On 2002.01.03, in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Thorsten Haude" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well done, David, now I'm back to step one, $from-wise. Why is 'set > from=' different from 'my_hdr From: '? $from was introduced in pre-1.0 times to work around problems with hooks and my_hdr. Something about setting "my_hdr From:" in hooks and being able to use $reverse_name properly. Once I understood it all, but these days I have to check the ChangeLog and trust in whatever it says. That's progress! :) Tue Jul 20 20:09:13 1999 Thomas Roessler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * init.h, send.c, alias.c, globals.h, init.c: As Aaron Schrab noted, patch-0.95.6.tlr.reverse_name.1 broke the use of my_hdr from send-hooks. This patch introduces a new variable $from which can be used to use a default sender address; to make this possible, a new variable class DT_ADDR is defined. We now have the following algorithm for determining the from address: - $from is used as the default from address, if defined. Otherwise, the local user name and (if the user wishes so) the local domain are used. - This address can be overridden by $reverse_name, if set. - Now, send-hooks are evaluated. - Afterwards, user headers are evaluated. In this step, the from header can be overridden using my_hdr From:. - When there is no real name, $realname is used for it. Note that, when the default from header is used and $from defines a real name, it takes precedence over $realname. A later change makes $from's value default to the value of the EMAIL environment variable. This modifies the first step of this algorithm. -- -D.[EMAIL PROTECTED]NSITUniversity of Chicago
Re: Send-hook is Lazy
Thorsten Haude muttered: > Well done, David, now I'm back to step one, $from-wise. Why is 'set > from=' different from 'my_hdr From: '? 6.3.53. from Type: e-mail address Default: "" When set, this variable contains a default from address. It can be overridden using my_hdr (including from send-hooks) and $reverse_name. HTH, Michael -- PGP-Key: http://www-stud.ims.uni-stuttgart.de/~tatgeml/public.key
Re: Send-hook is Lazy
Moin, * David Champion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-01-03 17:29]: >- $from is used as the default from address, if defined. Otherwise, > the local user name and (if the user wishes so) the local domain > are used. [...] >- Now, send-hooks are evaluated. Thanks, that is the answer, of course. I can now sleep better. Thanks, all of you! Thorsten -- Alles ist richtig, auch das Gegenteil. - Kurt Tucholsky
Re: Send-hook is Lazy
[mer 02/01/2002, ore 15:57] => Thorsten Haude scrive: > Hi, Hi, [...] in my .muttrc I've: send-hook . \ set signature="~/.signature" send-hook . \ my_hdr From: Franco Vite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> send-hook [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ 'my_hdr From: Franco Vite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; \ set signature=~/.signature.epmovi" send-hook '~t ^[EMAIL PROTECTED]$' \ 'my_hdr From: Franco Vite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; \ set signature=~/.signature.epmovi" So, if I post a mail or if I replay to a post about it_li.org ML, my From is "epmovi"; but default is firenze.linux.it . And so on. I've a question: it work fine, but if someone post a mail to "epmovi" (my secondary address), when I replay work the default my_hdr. How I can to automaticaly replay with "epmovi" (out of an ML scenario)? PS I split my incoming mail with procmail, in many (many) folder. The other gone to the default mbox (set mbox=~/posta/mbox). PS2 Sorry for my terrible! english, and... happy new year :) -- Franco "Quello che abbiamo e' quello che ci siamo presi, e quello che ci siamo presi e' solo una piccola parte di quello di cui abbiamo bisogno" Assalti Frontali
Re: Send-hook is Lazy
At 15:19 +0100 04 Jan 2002, Franco Vite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > send-hook . \ > my_hdr From: Franco Vite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > send-hook [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ > 'my_hdr From: Franco Vite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; \ > set signature=~/.signature.epmovi" > I've a question: > it work fine, but if someone post a mail to "epmovi" (my secondary > address), when I replay work the default my_hdr. > How I can to automaticaly replay with "epmovi" (out of an ML > scenario)? First, you'll need to change that default (first) send-hook to remove any previously applied From: header. You can instead use the $from variable to set your default address: send-hook . unmy_hdr From set from="Franco Vite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" Then if you tell mutt what adresses belong to you (with an appropriate regexp for $alternates) and set $reverse_name, mutt will automatically use the address to which a message was sent when you do a reply: set alternates='(franco@firenze\.linux\.it|epmovi@tin\.it)' set reverse_name -- Aaron Schrab [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.execpc.com/~aarons/ The only difference between a car salesman and a computer salesman is that the car salesman knows he's lying.
Re: Send-hook is Lazy
[ven 04/01/2002, ore 18:28] => Aaron Schrab scrive: > First, you'll need to change that default (first) send-hook to remove > any previously applied From: header. You can instead use the $from > variable to set your default address: > > send-hook . unmy_hdr From > set from="Franco Vite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" > > Then if you tell mutt what adresses belong to you (with an appropriate > regexp for $alternates) and set $reverse_name, mutt will automatically > use the address to which a message was sent when you do a reply: > > set alternates='(franco@firenze\.linux\.it|epmovi@tin\.it)' > set reverse_name Yep!, it work :-)) But: if I want to put the right signature when I replay (epmovi with .signature.epmovi, default From with .signature and so on [I've many accounts...]), how I can do? Because now when I replay, From is right, but the signature is the same for all accunts, and I change it manualy. Ciao :) -- Franco "Quello che abbiamo e' quello che ci siamo presi, e quello che ci siamo presi e' solo una piccola parte di quello di cui abbiamo bisogno" Assalti Frontali
Re: Send-hook is Lazy
At 11:33 +0100 05 Jan 2002, Franco Vite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But: if I want to put the right signature when I replay (epmovi with > .signature.epmovi, default From with .signature and so on [I've many > accounts...]), how I can do? You can have send-hooks that match on the address that the message will appear to be from: send-hook . set signature="~/.signature" send-hook '~f epmovi' 'set signature=~/.signature.epmovi' The second of those should be after any send-hooks that set the From: address. Also, if you like, you should be able to remove the setting of the signature from the two send-hooks you posted earlier since this should handle that case as well. It's not necessary, but it's a bit cleaner to have that set in only one place. -- Aaron Schrab [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.execpc.com/~aarons/ Everyone can be taught to sculpt: Michelangelo would have had to be taught how _not_ to. So it is with the great programmers.
Re: Send-hook is Lazy
[sab 05/01/2002, ore 12:57] => Aaron Schrab scrive: > At 11:33 +0100 05 Jan 2002, Franco Vite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But: if I want to put the right signature when I replay (epmovi with > > .signature.epmovi, default From with .signature and so on [I've many > > accounts...]), how I can do? > > You can have send-hooks that match on the address that the message will > appear to be from: > > send-hook . set signature="~/.signature" > send-hook '~f epmovi' 'set signature=~/.signature.epmovi' ~~ Yep!, this is the way!! It work fine, you are fantastic :) Ciao -- Franco "Quello che abbiamo e' quello che ci siamo presi, e quello che ci siamo presi e' solo una piccola parte di quello di cui abbiamo bisogno" Assalti Frontali
Re: Send-hook is Lazy
[sab 05/01/2002, ore 12:57] => Aaron Schrab scrive: > At 11:33 +0100 05 Jan 2002, Franco Vite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But: if I want to put the right signature when I replay (epmovi with > > .signature.epmovi, default From with .signature and so on [I've many > > accounts...]), how I can do? > > You can have send-hooks that match on the address that the message will > appear to be from: > > send-hook . set signature="~/.signature" > send-hook '~f epmovi' 'set signature=~/.signature.epmovi' Now I've a little problem: before my browser was 1 r L 29 dic [MaX] 0,3K Archivi ML PPC? 2 F 30 dic [Franco Vite] 0,8K > Now is 1 r L 29 dic [MaX] 0,3K Archivi ML PPC? 2 F 30 dic [To Linuxppc Use] 0,8K > Why? PS "Linuxppc User" is the name of mailing list -- Franco "Quello che abbiamo e' quello che ci siamo presi, e quello che ci siamo presi e' solo una piccola parte di quello di cui abbiamo bisogno" Assalti Frontali
Re: Send-hook is Lazy
On 2002.01.07, in <20020107113541.GA629@shanti>, "Franco Vite" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > before my browser was > > 1 r L 29 dic [MaX] 0,3K Archivi ML PPC? > 2 F 30 dic [Franco Vite] 0,8K > > > Now is > > 1 r L 29 dic [MaX] 0,3K Archivi ML PPC? > 2 F 30 dic [To Linuxppc Use] 0,8K > > > Why? > > PS > "Linuxppc User" is the name of mailing list Have you changed your value of $alternates? If the sender's name matches $alternates, and your $index_format has "%F" in that slot, it will expand to the recipient's name instead of to your name. -- -D.[EMAIL PROTECTED]NSITUniversity of Chicago
Re: Send-hook is Lazy
[lun 07/01/2002, ore 12:56] => David Champion scrive:
[...]
> Have you changed your value of $alternates? If the sender's name matches
> $alternates, and your $index_format has "%F" in that slot, it will
> expand to the recipient's name instead of to your name.
Yes, I see it.
Now I use %n and the browser is like I want.
set index_format="%4C %Z %{%d %b} [%-15.15n] %4c %s"
Tnx :)
--
Franco
"Quello che abbiamo e' quello che ci siamo presi, e quello che ci siamo
presi e' solo una piccola parte di quello di cui abbiamo bisogno"
Assalti Frontali
