help a now confused mutt newbie

2002-01-04 Thread rhad

Ok, So I do not wish to go back to Kmail (which was my former mail client)
and I heard a lot of good things about mutt.  However, I cannot seem to get
it to work.  My objective in sending out this plea seems to be two things:

1) understand how exactly mutt recieves email.  In my first several
attempts, I slowly gathered the impression that mutt wanted me to configure
at least sendmail and fetchmail in addition to mutt.  I.e.: that mutt acts
only as a viewing agent to the standard unix mail programs.  In the
successive attempts to understand sendmail and fetchmail (neither of which I
have ever used--at least knowingly) I have become slightly lost.  The mutt
manual delves, IMHO, more into mutt configuration and uses, than actually
explaining how the heck to get it to recieve email.

Which brings me to questions two:

2) Is there somebody out there who would not mind a potentially lengthy
email-fest to help me figure this out?  I have (what I consider) to be a
rather weird setup:

I want mutt to handle three email accounts:  this one, at my university, and
2 yahoo accounts.  I do not live at the university, but am on DSL in the
surrounding area.  Therefore, I have one dedicated outgoing mail server for
all of the accounts (swbell-DSL), and 3 pop servers for incoming mail.  I
use suse linux 7.3, and I keep all my machines behind a NAT-based router
with a static IP.

Thanks for any and all help here to get this working.

rhad




Re: help a now confused mutt newbie

2002-01-04 Thread Will Yardley

rhad wrote:
 
 1) understand how exactly mutt recieves email.  In my first several
 attempts, I slowly gathered the impression that mutt wanted me to
 configure at least sendmail and fetchmail in addition to mutt.  I.e.:
 that mutt acts only as a viewing agent to the standard unix mail
 programs.  In the successive attempts to understand sendmail and
 fetchmail (neither of which I have ever used--at least knowingly) I
 have become slightly lost.  The mutt manual delves, IMHO, more into
 mutt configuration and uses, than actually explaining how the heck to
 get it to recieve email.

well mutt can also retrieve mail via POP3 or IMAP.  if your accounts
have IMAP access, you might consider using that.

if you have 3 incoming accounts, using fetchmail may, indeed, be a good
idea.

mutt can be a little overwhelming at first; i've found simply looking
through other peoples' .muttrcs online fairly instructive.

w/r/t sendmail; your suse machine probably already has some sort of MTA
(either sendmail or postfix most likely) installed; if this is the case,
you can use this.

 I want mutt to handle three email accounts:  this one, at my
 university, and 2 yahoo accounts.  I do not live at the university,
 but am on DSL in the surrounding area.  Therefore, I have one
 dedicated outgoing mail server for all of the accounts (swbell-DSL),
 and 3 pop servers for incoming mail.  I use suse linux 7.3, and I keep
 all my machines behind a NAT-based router with a static IP.

well probably the simplest solution would be to use fetchmail to
download mail from all 3 accounts, and possibly procmail or something
similar to sort the messages after downloading it. i'm not a big expert
on fetchmail, since i've never had to use it, but it's supposed to be
fairly simple.



Re: help a now confused mutt newbie

2002-01-04 Thread David Champion

On 2002.01.03, in [EMAIL PROTECTED],
rhad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 1) understand how exactly mutt recieves email.  In my first several
 attempts, I slowly gathered the impression that mutt wanted me to configure
 at least sendmail and fetchmail in addition to mutt.  I.e.: that mutt acts
 only as a viewing agent to the standard unix mail programs.  In the
 successive attempts to understand sendmail and fetchmail (neither of which I
 have ever used--at least knowingly) I have become slightly lost.  The mutt
 manual delves, IMHO, more into mutt configuration and uses, than actually
 explaining how the heck to get it to recieve email.

I find it easier to think in simpler terms, just looking at definitions
and relationships. Mutt reads mail folders (it doesn't receive mail from
SMTP), and it hands off new mail to an MTA (it doesn't inject mail into
SMTP). A folder can be stored on your local filesystem, or it can be
stored on a networked mail server and read via a mail access protocol
(POP3 or IMAP) -- not the same as mail delivery!

To get new mail into your folders, you need other software. That
software can be a common unix mail delivery agent like mail.local,
procmail, deliver, maildrop, etc. Or it can be a program for downloading
mail via an access protocol, like fetchmail. (There are other favorites,
but I always forget their names.) Or it can be the delivery software
on your mail server, which feeds your POP and IMAP folders themselves.

So, to get new mail, you need at least one of three things:

1. A mail delivery agent (MDA) to pass messages from the mail
   transport agent (MTA) to a folder;

2. A program like fetchmail to pull messages down from a POP3 or
   IMAP server;

3. A mutt configuration that allows mutt to read messages directly
   from POP and IMAP message stores.

Chances are that you already have at least one of these available, if
you've ever used a mail program on the same system as mutt is on.


 2) Is there somebody out there who would not mind a potentially lengthy
 email-fest to help me figure this out?  I have (what I consider) to be a
 rather weird setup:
 
 I want mutt to handle three email accounts:  this one, at my university, and
 2 yahoo accounts.  I do not live at the university, but am on DSL in the
 surrounding area.  Therefore, I have one dedicated outgoing mail server for
 all of the accounts (swbell-DSL), and 3 pop servers for incoming mail.  I
 use suse linux 7.3, and I keep all my machines behind a NAT-based router
 with a static IP.

My workstation has an SMTP server on which I receive most of my mail.
It uses sendmail plus procmail to deliver mail into a wide assortment
of folders in my home directory. I also have one IMAP account and seven
POP3 accounts. I check the IMAP account only occasionally, but I want
the POP3 accounts to give me mail on fairly short order. Here are some
ideas that come from my setup.


Reading from local folders
--
Normally I just run mutt with defaults:
$ mutt

Mutt starts up on my local inbox, which is where all the new mail I care
to read lands. Procmail stores some messages elsewhere, but I don't
generally worry about those until some external stimulus makes me.
When that happens, I read the other folder:
$ mutt -f =ignore

or I change to it from inside mutt by pressing c and entering
=ignore.


Direct IMAP
---
I use a relatively recent 1.3 version of mutt, so the IMAP and POP
support is a little different from 1.2.5's. My mutt setup reads mail
from my inbox ($MAIL -- /var/mail/username) by default, since most of my
incoming mail lands there. When I want to read mail from IMAP, I just
run mutt with different arguments:
$ mutt -f imap://imap.server.name/
or
$ mutt -f '{imap.server.name}'

(Actually I use it via SSL:
$ mutt -f imaps://imap.server.name/
but that doesn't matter -- I mention it only because it's great that
mutt supports it.)


POP3 via Fetchmail
--
To read my POP3 messages, I have fetchmail configured to download my POP
messages from all servers every 10 minutes. Fetchmail hands them off
to sendmail and then procmail so that they get processed by the same
procmail rules as my SMTP mail. Lines from my .fetchmailrc file look
like this:

poll pop.mail.yahoo.com protocol pop3 username USER password PASS \
smtp localhost

I have a line similar to that for each server I want fetchmail to
handle. And in my crontab, I have this:

0,10,20,30,40,50 * * * * /opt/bin/fetchmail /dev/null 21

This cron task makes my new POP mail come down every 10 minutes from any
of the seven POP3 accounts.


Direct POP3
---
In truth, I have more POP3 accounts, but I don't want these messages
saved to my workstation's disk -- I want to browse them remotely. So,
when I compiled mutt, I used the --enable-pop switch to enable POP3
browsing mode. (I also use --enable-imap, --with-krb5, and --with-ssl,
by the way.) With POP3 browsing,